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OK so I was up until 4 AM researching such things as toxins and

neurological issues. More than a link connecting the two...more like

a super highway!!! Organic phosphates over and over again are

attributed to neurological and even psychological changes. Problem

is there are thousands upon thousands of organic phosphates. and

also the possibility of individual susceptibility to specific

ones....which would explain why the whole world hasn't come down with

motor neuron disease.

In my situation it's a little easier to pinpoint. I was threatened

(intensional vs accidental) with poisoning from chemicals at the

DuPont plant located in Belle WV two weeks before my symptoms

appeared. The plant websites list the chemicals present so I worked

backwards. Sure enough the raw ingredients of their herbicides can

be absorbed through the skin. Being lipid-loving it targets the

cells of the cerebellum causing slurred speech, swallowing

difficulty, disturbed gait, and balance problems. Labeled Hypoxic

brain injury by a toxic agent. The chemical vanishes but the process

of cell death it started can continue. Yep that be ME. That's when

I got a pop up from a legal site leading with the phrase

definition " unconvincing evidence " - evidence that demonstrated the

crime was committed but lacking the teeth to convict the perp.

And this wealth of information got me....right back where I was. ha

only with a better understanding as to why the neuros refuse to list

me as pure PLS>

Eva

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Hey EVA do a Google Search on (Organic Phosphates and Motor Neuron

Disease) and you get some medications for Motor Neuron Disease ??.IM

REALLY CONFUSED NOW . GEO

>

> OK so I was up until 4 AM researching such things as toxins and

> neurological issues. More than a link connecting the two...more

like

> a super highway!!! Organic phosphates over and over again are

> attributed to neurological and even psychological changes.

Problem

> is there are thousands upon thousands of organic phosphates. and

> also the possibility of individual susceptibility to specific

> ones....which would explain why the whole world hasn't come down

with

> motor neuron disease.

> In my situation it's a little easier to pinpoint. I was threatened

> (intensional vs accidental) with poisoning from chemicals at the

> DuPont plant located in Belle WV two weeks before my symptoms

> appeared. The plant websites list the chemicals present so I

worked

> backwards. Sure enough the raw ingredients of their herbicides

can

> be absorbed through the skin. Being lipid-loving it targets the

> cells of the cerebellum causing slurred speech, swallowing

> difficulty, disturbed gait, and balance problems. Labeled Hypoxic

> brain injury by a toxic agent. The chemical vanishes but the

process

> of cell death it started can continue. Yep that be ME. That's

when

> I got a pop up from a legal site leading with the phrase

> definition " unconvincing evidence " - evidence that demonstrated

the

> crime was committed but lacking the teeth to convict the perp.

>

> And this wealth of information got me....right back where I was.

ha

> only with a better understanding as to why the neuros refuse to

list

> me as pure PLS>

> Eva

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Yep, I'd like to bet that Malathion (an organophosphate insecticide)

played a big part in my PLS. We used to live on a 10 acre property (for

our horses) which was surrounded by potato farms. On more than one

occasion I happened to be home when they were crop dusting and found

that they were very irresponsible in spraying it over our house, the

roof of which which we collected all our water from (for drinking,

showering etc). I immediately disconnected the downpipes from the tanks

and washed the whole roof down, plus didn't connect them back up till a

fair bit of rain had fallen. However, there were probably a lot of

times they did the same thing and we didn't know about it. Fortunately,

almost 11 years after my PLS caused us to sell up there it appears to

have not affected my wife or daughters (now 19 and 22) - fingers crossed!!!

I complained to the farmer responsible but he was fairly blase about it

saying he had been mixing it up and spraying it from his tractor for

many years and it hadn't hurt him or anyone he knew (apart from his two

heads) although later I did find out that the area had a higher than

normal incidence of cancer and neurological problems.

briteeyestwo wrote:

> OK so I was up until 4 AM researching such things as toxins and

> neurological issues. More than a link connecting the two...more like

> a super highway!!! Organic phosphates over and over again are

> attributed to neurological and even psychological changes. Problem

> is there are thousands upon thousands of organic phosphates. and

> also the possibility of individual susceptibility to specific

> ones....which would explain why the whole world hasn't come down with

> motor neuron disease.

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, Thanks for the posting. I have been a ag chem pest control

advisor for 27 years. I am the guy who checks the fields and

then prescribes what to use for what pests, be it insects, weeds

or diseases. I was never involved with mixing or spraying the

products, but there were a few times when I was exposed more than

I should have been. Back in the late 70's we handled a

insecticide/ovicide (worm nymph & egg killer). It was handled in

bulk and there were a few times when gaskets would leak, or hoses.

I don't recall ever having it on me much, but breathing it wasn't

good either. That product was banned in the mid 80's for being a

carcinogen.

Then, about 5 or 6 years ago I was running some soil fumigant into

a sprinkler pump and my respirator failed and I got a big shot of the

product in my nose, and it blurred my eyes for a few seconds. I'll

never forget that one because it happened the night that Lady Di died

in that crash. I remember getting into my truck and hearing that on

the radio. So whatever date that was...I did not get any of the

product on me, just from the vapor in the air.

I don't check the fields right after they are sprayed, I usually wait

a day or two. Maybe there is something to this but I know many many

people who have done it a lot longer than I have, and they dealt with

much harsher chemicals than I have. A lot of the products we use now

are of very low toxicity. There are still a few of the harsh poisons

out there, but most have been banned over the last 20-25 years. I

know some pretty old guys who used to mix and spray the harsher

chemicals for years and none of them have PLS or ALS. Some of them

are in their late 60's or 70's now.

I will probably never really know the cause, but my exposure compared

to a lot of people make me think it was not from chemical exposure.

Malathion is still in use today and is not one of the super harsh

chemicals compared to some, it stinks to beat heck and it is an OP.

inon and Dimethoate are geting pulled from our market soon. And

there may be more to come. The newer tecnologies have come up with

some amazing products over the last 15 years. The problem is, there

will always be insects out there that some of the new products will

not control, noy yet anyway.

Thanks again, Don

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> > OK so I was up until 4 AM researching such things as toxins and

> > neurological issues. More than a link connecting the two...more

like

> > a super highway!!! Organic phosphates over and over again are

> > attributed to neurological and even psychological changes.

Problem

> > is there are thousands upon thousands of organic phosphates. and

> > also the possibility of individual susceptibility to specific

> > ones....which would explain why the whole world hasn't come down

with

> > motor neuron disease.

>

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Hi yes ive had this kind of thing too where they were crop

dusting but crazy thing is why not anyone else ? and what does age

50+ come in as they say age 50+ is common ,i know there are some

younger .Another thing is if this is a factor ,Why dont the

scientist pick up on this ? I was a Plumber and went into alot of

nasty crawl spaces w/ bug spray in there and powder .Again why only

me ? . GEO

>

> Yep, I'd like to bet that Malathion (an organophosphate

insecticide)

> played a big part in my PLS. We used to live on a 10 acre

property (for

> our horses) which was surrounded by potato farms. On more than

one

> occasion I happened to be home when they were crop dusting and

found

> that they were very irresponsible in spraying it over our house,

the

> roof of which which we collected all our water from (for drinking,

> showering etc). I immediately disconnected the downpipes from the

tanks

> and washed the whole roof down, plus didn't connect them back up

till a

> fair bit of rain had fallen. However, there were probably a lot

of

> times they did the same thing and we didn't know about it.

Fortunately,

> almost 11 years after my PLS caused us to sell up there it appears

to

> have not affected my wife or daughters (now 19 and 22) - fingers

crossed!!!

>

> I complained to the farmer responsible but he was fairly blase

about it

> saying he had been mixing it up and spraying it from his tractor

for

> many years and it hadn't hurt him or anyone he knew (apart from

his two

> heads) although later I did find out that the area had a higher

than

> normal incidence of cancer and neurological problems.

>

>

>

> briteeyestwo wrote:

>

> > OK so I was up until 4 AM researching such things as toxins and

> > neurological issues. More than a link connecting the two...more

like

> > a super highway!!! Organic phosphates over and over again are

> > attributed to neurological and even psychological changes.

Problem

> > is there are thousands upon thousands of organic phosphates. and

> > also the possibility of individual susceptibility to specific

> > ones....which would explain why the whole world hasn't come down

with

> > motor neuron disease.

>

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Don and Geo,

Why us? Indeed, although there seems plenty of evidence that some people

are just more predisposed genetically to certain things, so it seems we

were handed the PLS short straw. Pity nobody told us " Hey you - keep

away from organophosphates as they will affect you more than everybody

else........... " :-(

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Why us? This is the main question.

How many people of us being tested for PON1 enzyme?

Best wishes

Alper Kaya

C yazdı: Don and Geo,

Why us? Indeed, although there seems plenty of evidence that some people

are just more predisposed genetically to certain things, so it seems we

were handed the PLS short straw. Pity nobody told us " Hey you - keep

away from organophosphates as they will affect you more than everybody

else........... " :-(

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Only problem is we were not all exposed ,im sure to these organic

compounds ,but if a common thread can be found and it is this Then the

fumbling idiots that are doing the research all these years are just

taking free money . What organic compound studies have you read lately

LOL GEO

>

> Don and Geo,

>

> Why us? Indeed, although there seems plenty of evidence that some

people

> are just more predisposed genetically to certain things, so it seems

we

> were handed the PLS short straw. Pity nobody told us " Hey you -

keep

> away from organophosphates as they will affect you more than

everybody

> else........... " :-(

>

>

>

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I have no medical training but have come to believe that each person is

different and what triggered our PLS is not necessarily the same for all

of us. However, substances like organophosphates are probably near the

top of the list. Read organic compound studies?? Nah, avoid that

stuff ever since I struggled with organic chemistry in first year uni. :-)

Geo wrote:

> Only problem is we were not all exposed ,im sure to these organic

> compounds ,but if a common thread can be found and it is this Then the

> fumbling idiots that are doing the research all these years are just

> taking free money . What organic compound studies have you read lately

> LOL GEO

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> > Only problem is we were not all exposed ,im sure to these

organic

> > compounds ,but if a common thread can be found and it is this

Then the

> > fumbling idiots that are doing the research all these years are

just

> > taking free money . What organic compound studies have you read

lately

> > LOL GEO

>

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