Guest guest Posted December 10, 2005 Report Share Posted December 10, 2005 OK so I was up until 4 AM researching such things as toxins and neurological issues. More than a link connecting the two...more like a super highway!!! Organic phosphates over and over again are attributed to neurological and even psychological changes. Problem is there are thousands upon thousands of organic phosphates. and also the possibility of individual susceptibility to specific ones....which would explain why the whole world hasn't come down with motor neuron disease. In my situation it's a little easier to pinpoint. I was threatened (intensional vs accidental) with poisoning from chemicals at the DuPont plant located in Belle WV two weeks before my symptoms appeared. The plant websites list the chemicals present so I worked backwards. Sure enough the raw ingredients of their herbicides can be absorbed through the skin. Being lipid-loving it targets the cells of the cerebellum causing slurred speech, swallowing difficulty, disturbed gait, and balance problems. Labeled Hypoxic brain injury by a toxic agent. The chemical vanishes but the process of cell death it started can continue. Yep that be ME. That's when I got a pop up from a legal site leading with the phrase definition " unconvincing evidence " - evidence that demonstrated the crime was committed but lacking the teeth to convict the perp. And this wealth of information got me....right back where I was. ha only with a better understanding as to why the neuros refuse to list me as pure PLS> Eva Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2005 Report Share Posted December 11, 2005 Hey EVA do a Google Search on (Organic Phosphates and Motor Neuron Disease) and you get some medications for Motor Neuron Disease ??.IM REALLY CONFUSED NOW . GEO > > OK so I was up until 4 AM researching such things as toxins and > neurological issues. More than a link connecting the two...more like > a super highway!!! Organic phosphates over and over again are > attributed to neurological and even psychological changes. Problem > is there are thousands upon thousands of organic phosphates. and > also the possibility of individual susceptibility to specific > ones....which would explain why the whole world hasn't come down with > motor neuron disease. > In my situation it's a little easier to pinpoint. I was threatened > (intensional vs accidental) with poisoning from chemicals at the > DuPont plant located in Belle WV two weeks before my symptoms > appeared. The plant websites list the chemicals present so I worked > backwards. Sure enough the raw ingredients of their herbicides can > be absorbed through the skin. Being lipid-loving it targets the > cells of the cerebellum causing slurred speech, swallowing > difficulty, disturbed gait, and balance problems. Labeled Hypoxic > brain injury by a toxic agent. The chemical vanishes but the process > of cell death it started can continue. Yep that be ME. That's when > I got a pop up from a legal site leading with the phrase > definition " unconvincing evidence " - evidence that demonstrated the > crime was committed but lacking the teeth to convict the perp. > > And this wealth of information got me....right back where I was. ha > only with a better understanding as to why the neuros refuse to list > me as pure PLS> > Eva > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2005 Report Share Posted December 11, 2005 Yep, I'd like to bet that Malathion (an organophosphate insecticide) played a big part in my PLS. We used to live on a 10 acre property (for our horses) which was surrounded by potato farms. On more than one occasion I happened to be home when they were crop dusting and found that they were very irresponsible in spraying it over our house, the roof of which which we collected all our water from (for drinking, showering etc). I immediately disconnected the downpipes from the tanks and washed the whole roof down, plus didn't connect them back up till a fair bit of rain had fallen. However, there were probably a lot of times they did the same thing and we didn't know about it. Fortunately, almost 11 years after my PLS caused us to sell up there it appears to have not affected my wife or daughters (now 19 and 22) - fingers crossed!!! I complained to the farmer responsible but he was fairly blase about it saying he had been mixing it up and spraying it from his tractor for many years and it hadn't hurt him or anyone he knew (apart from his two heads) although later I did find out that the area had a higher than normal incidence of cancer and neurological problems. briteeyestwo wrote: > OK so I was up until 4 AM researching such things as toxins and > neurological issues. More than a link connecting the two...more like > a super highway!!! Organic phosphates over and over again are > attributed to neurological and even psychological changes. Problem > is there are thousands upon thousands of organic phosphates. and > also the possibility of individual susceptibility to specific > ones....which would explain why the whole world hasn't come down with > motor neuron disease. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2005 Report Share Posted December 11, 2005 , Thanks for the posting. I have been a ag chem pest control advisor for 27 years. I am the guy who checks the fields and then prescribes what to use for what pests, be it insects, weeds or diseases. I was never involved with mixing or spraying the products, but there were a few times when I was exposed more than I should have been. Back in the late 70's we handled a insecticide/ovicide (worm nymph & egg killer). It was handled in bulk and there were a few times when gaskets would leak, or hoses. I don't recall ever having it on me much, but breathing it wasn't good either. That product was banned in the mid 80's for being a carcinogen. Then, about 5 or 6 years ago I was running some soil fumigant into a sprinkler pump and my respirator failed and I got a big shot of the product in my nose, and it blurred my eyes for a few seconds. I'll never forget that one because it happened the night that Lady Di died in that crash. I remember getting into my truck and hearing that on the radio. So whatever date that was...I did not get any of the product on me, just from the vapor in the air. I don't check the fields right after they are sprayed, I usually wait a day or two. Maybe there is something to this but I know many many people who have done it a lot longer than I have, and they dealt with much harsher chemicals than I have. A lot of the products we use now are of very low toxicity. There are still a few of the harsh poisons out there, but most have been banned over the last 20-25 years. I know some pretty old guys who used to mix and spray the harsher chemicals for years and none of them have PLS or ALS. Some of them are in their late 60's or 70's now. I will probably never really know the cause, but my exposure compared to a lot of people make me think it was not from chemical exposure. Malathion is still in use today and is not one of the super harsh chemicals compared to some, it stinks to beat heck and it is an OP. inon and Dimethoate are geting pulled from our market soon. And there may be more to come. The newer tecnologies have come up with some amazing products over the last 15 years. The problem is, there will always be insects out there that some of the new products will not control, noy yet anyway. Thanks again, Don > > > OK so I was up until 4 AM researching such things as toxins and > > neurological issues. More than a link connecting the two...more like > > a super highway!!! Organic phosphates over and over again are > > attributed to neurological and even psychological changes. Problem > > is there are thousands upon thousands of organic phosphates. and > > also the possibility of individual susceptibility to specific > > ones....which would explain why the whole world hasn't come down with > > motor neuron disease. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2005 Report Share Posted December 11, 2005 Hi yes ive had this kind of thing too where they were crop dusting but crazy thing is why not anyone else ? and what does age 50+ come in as they say age 50+ is common ,i know there are some younger .Another thing is if this is a factor ,Why dont the scientist pick up on this ? I was a Plumber and went into alot of nasty crawl spaces w/ bug spray in there and powder .Again why only me ? . GEO > > Yep, I'd like to bet that Malathion (an organophosphate insecticide) > played a big part in my PLS. We used to live on a 10 acre property (for > our horses) which was surrounded by potato farms. On more than one > occasion I happened to be home when they were crop dusting and found > that they were very irresponsible in spraying it over our house, the > roof of which which we collected all our water from (for drinking, > showering etc). I immediately disconnected the downpipes from the tanks > and washed the whole roof down, plus didn't connect them back up till a > fair bit of rain had fallen. However, there were probably a lot of > times they did the same thing and we didn't know about it. Fortunately, > almost 11 years after my PLS caused us to sell up there it appears to > have not affected my wife or daughters (now 19 and 22) - fingers crossed!!! > > I complained to the farmer responsible but he was fairly blase about it > saying he had been mixing it up and spraying it from his tractor for > many years and it hadn't hurt him or anyone he knew (apart from his two > heads) although later I did find out that the area had a higher than > normal incidence of cancer and neurological problems. > > > > briteeyestwo wrote: > > > OK so I was up until 4 AM researching such things as toxins and > > neurological issues. More than a link connecting the two...more like > > a super highway!!! Organic phosphates over and over again are > > attributed to neurological and even psychological changes. Problem > > is there are thousands upon thousands of organic phosphates. and > > also the possibility of individual susceptibility to specific > > ones....which would explain why the whole world hasn't come down with > > motor neuron disease. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2005 Report Share Posted December 12, 2005 Don and Geo, Why us? Indeed, although there seems plenty of evidence that some people are just more predisposed genetically to certain things, so it seems we were handed the PLS short straw. Pity nobody told us " Hey you - keep away from organophosphates as they will affect you more than everybody else........... " :-( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2005 Report Share Posted December 12, 2005 Why us? This is the main question. How many people of us being tested for PON1 enzyme? Best wishes Alper Kaya C yazdı: Don and Geo, Why us? Indeed, although there seems plenty of evidence that some people are just more predisposed genetically to certain things, so it seems we were handed the PLS short straw. Pity nobody told us " Hey you - keep away from organophosphates as they will affect you more than everybody else........... " :-( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2005 Report Share Posted December 12, 2005 Only problem is we were not all exposed ,im sure to these organic compounds ,but if a common thread can be found and it is this Then the fumbling idiots that are doing the research all these years are just taking free money . What organic compound studies have you read lately LOL GEO > > Don and Geo, > > Why us? Indeed, although there seems plenty of evidence that some people > are just more predisposed genetically to certain things, so it seems we > were handed the PLS short straw. Pity nobody told us " Hey you - keep > away from organophosphates as they will affect you more than everybody > else........... " :-( > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2005 Report Share Posted December 13, 2005 I have no medical training but have come to believe that each person is different and what triggered our PLS is not necessarily the same for all of us. However, substances like organophosphates are probably near the top of the list. Read organic compound studies?? Nah, avoid that stuff ever since I struggled with organic chemistry in first year uni. :-) Geo wrote: > Only problem is we were not all exposed ,im sure to these organic > compounds ,but if a common thread can be found and it is this Then the > fumbling idiots that are doing the research all these years are just > taking free money . What organic compound studies have you read lately > LOL GEO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2005 Report Share Posted December 14, 2005 > > > Only problem is we were not all exposed ,im sure to these organic > > compounds ,but if a common thread can be found and it is this Then the > > fumbling idiots that are doing the research all these years are just > > taking free money . What organic compound studies have you read lately > > LOL GEO > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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