Guest guest Posted December 26, 2004 Report Share Posted December 26, 2004 CONSIDER TRYING ACTUAL TRYPTOPHANE INSTEAD OF 5-HTP. The 5HTP is what they came up with after trypothane got banned becasue of a bad batch and they outlawed it for a number of years. If I recall correctly tha 5HTP is 5% of the potency of l-tryptophane. BIOGENESIS and ANTIAGING bopth carry it I beleive, as well as a few other online ssites. You also need to take it at night and make sure you have it with a little bit of sugary stuff to assist it accross the blood/brain barrier....like a litle bit of juice. ~Inga ____________ on 12/25/04 8:02 PM, nc2406@... at nc2406@... wrote: > > In a message dated 12/25/2004 5:36:33 AM Eastern Standard Time, > artisticgroom@... writes: > >> I am interested in it's weight loss and mood elevating qualities. Any luck? >> Especially with weight loss? >> > > Well...I was pretty skinny when i was taking it. And it did actually > elevate my mood a bit. It might have been even better had I not been hypo. > Cindi > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 26, 2004 Report Share Posted December 26, 2004 I thought trytophan was taken off the shelves by the FDA years ago. I used to take it all the time as an alternative to tranquilizers until they stopped selling it because there was a scare that it was killing people. Yeah right! The drs & pharms. wanted to sell their own tranquilizers in pill form so away it went. I'm taking SAMe now which is just great for a mood altering feeling of well-being. ----- Original Message ----- From: Ingrid Mager CONSIDER TRYING ACTUAL TRYPTOPHANE INSTEAD OF 5-HTP. The 5HTP is what they came up with after trypothane got banned becasue of a bad batch and they outlawed it for a number of years. If I recall correctly tha 5HTP is 5% of the potency of l-tryptophane. BIOGENESIS and ANTIAGING bopth carry it I beleive, as well as a few other online ssites. You also need to take it at night and make sure you have it with a little bit of sugary stuff to assist it accross the blood/brain barrier....like a litle bit of juice. ~Inga Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 26, 2004 Report Share Posted December 26, 2004 5HTP can be quite strong. One thing you might notice is you can feel chilly after taking it. From my own experience, start low and work up. Or if you don't mind shocking yourself you can start around the middle and work down as needed. The numbers in the literature are quite high and many people won't need anywhere near that amount. I break open a 50 mg capsule and use about 10-15 mg with melatonin at night. I'm post meno age 54. I wouldn't use any more 5HTP than necessary as it can act like SSRIs in the sense of flooding the system, and then the body has to protect itself by shutting off receptors, sometimes permanently. Nothing to mess around with IMO. Proceed slowly. I think the coldness is related to some slowing of metabolic processes, so there could be weight gain as well as some appetite loss, which could cancel each other out LOL! Carol http://groups.yahoo.com/group/willis_protocols Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2004 Report Share Posted December 28, 2004 on 12/26/04 3:18 PM, Caroline Pollak at MamaMaha@... wrote: > > I thought trytophan was taken off the shelves by the FDA years ago. Yes..it was. I could not even get it from any pharmacy in California, Arizona, Utah, Nevada or Colorado a couple of years ago even though I had a valid prescription for it. You can now get in online without a prescription of yout own...in fact, mine jsut arrived yesterday (also got married yesterday) > I used to > take it all the time as an alternative to tranquilizers until they stopped > selling it because there was a scare that it was killing people. ....a bad batch or two....from what I understood >Yeah right! > The drs & pharms. wanted to sell their own tranquilizers in pill form so away > it went. Probably so..... > > I'm taking SAMe now which is just great for a mood altering feeling of > well-being. Yes. Great stuff. Wish we could afford all f those wonderful little goodies! By the way, how are you doing, Caroline? I have had some rough days form shear exhaustion and not having my DMSA for the mercury. (Moed and living down in California now - not too far from you, actually) ~Inga > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ingrid Mager > > > CONSIDER TRYING ACTUAL TRYPTOPHANE INSTEAD OF 5-HTP. > > The 5HTP is what they came up with after trypothane got banned becasue of a > bad batch and they outlawed it for a number of years. > > If I recall correctly tha 5HTP is 5% of the potency of l-tryptophane. > BIOGENESIS and ANTIAGING bopth carry it I beleive, as well as a few other > online ssites. > You also need to take it at night and make sure you have it with a little > bit of sugary stuff to assist it accross the blood/brain barrier....like a > litle bit of juice. > > ~Inga > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2004 Report Share Posted December 28, 2004 Here's the dumb part about that. Tryptophan is in pork, milk, turkey, and some other stuff, but isn't allowed on the grocery or OTC shelves. But L-Tryptophan is, though. It's one of the stupidest moves I've ever seen the FDA make, and I've seen them make some dumb ones. Not so dumb, though, but violates our rights as Americans, as their reasoning was to help make their strange bedfellows (big pharma) richer, as they mostly have a lot of stock in these companies. Don't think that they don't carry these stocks. They're getting rich off of them also. Pharma stocks are some of the best there are, because they're doing so well off of the American public. Leaches! Re: *5-HTP > > on 12/26/04 3:18 PM, Caroline Pollak at MamaMaha@... wrote: > > > > > I thought trytophan was taken off the shelves by the FDA years ago. > > Yes..it was. I could not even get it from any pharmacy in California, > Arizona, Utah, Nevada or Colorado a couple of years ago even though I had a > valid prescription for it. > You can now get in online without a prescription of yout own...in fact, mine > jsut arrived yesterday (also got married yesterday) > > > I used to > > take it all the time as an alternative to tranquilizers until they stopped > > selling it because there was a scare that it was killing people. > > ...a bad batch or two....from what I understood > > >Yeah right! > > The drs & pharms. wanted to sell their own tranquilizers in pill form so away > > it went. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2004 Report Share Posted December 29, 2004 (et al), Do you know what the difference between tryptophane and L-tryptophane is? I was always thinking I was getting one and the same.... ~inga on 12/28/04 9:57 PM, at marin@... wrote: > > Here's the dumb part about that. Tryptophan is in pork, milk, turkey, and > some other stuff, but isn't allowed on the grocery or OTC shelves. But > L-Tryptophan is, though. It's one of the stupidest moves I've ever seen the > FDA make, and I've seen them make some dumb ones. Not so dumb, though, but > violates our rights as Americans, as their reasoning was to help make their > strange bedfellows (big pharma) richer, as they mostly have a lot of stock > in these companies. Don't think that they don't carry these stocks. > They're getting rich off of them also. Pharma stocks are some of the best > there are, because they're doing so well off of the American public. > Leaches! > > > > Re: *5-HTP > > >> >> on 12/26/04 3:18 PM, Caroline Pollak at MamaMaha@... wrote: >> >>> >>> I thought trytophan was taken off the shelves by the FDA years ago. >> >> Yes..it was. I could not even get it from any pharmacy in California, >> Arizona, Utah, Nevada or Colorado a couple of years ago even though I had > a >> valid prescription for it. >> You can now get in online without a prescription of yout own...in fact, > mine >> jsut arrived yesterday (also got married yesterday) >> >>> I used to >>> take it all the time as an alternative to tranquilizers until they > stopped >>> selling it because there was a scare that it was killing people. >> >> ...a bad batch or two....from what I understood >> >>> Yeah right! >>> The drs & pharms. wanted to sell their own tranquilizers in pill form so > away >>> it went. > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2004 Report Share Posted December 29, 2004 I'm going to ask a stupid question, what is the difference in L-Tryptophan and Tryptophan. Kate At 11:57 PM 12/28/2004, you wrote: >Here's the dumb part about that. Tryptophan is in pork, milk, turkey, and >some other stuff, but isn't allowed on the grocery or OTC shelves. But >L-Tryptophan is, though. It's one of the stupidest moves I've ever seen the >FDA make, and I've seen them make some dumb ones. Not so dumb, though, but >violates our rights as Americans, as their reasoning was to help make their >strange bedfellows (big pharma) richer, as they mostly have a lot of stock >in these companies. Don't think that they don't carry these stocks. >They're getting rich off of them also. Pharma stocks are some of the best >there are, because they're doing so well off of the American public. >Leaches! > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2004 Report Share Posted December 29, 2004 Remind me to buy some pharma stocks as soon as I win the lottery....k? ----- Original Message ----- From: Here's the dumb part about that. Tryptophan is in pork, milk, turkey, and some other stuff, but isn't allowed on the grocery or OTC shelves. But L-Tryptophan is, though. It's one of the stupidest moves I've ever seen the FDA make, and I've seen them make some dumb ones. Not so dumb, though, but violates our rights as Americans, as their reasoning was to help make their strange bedfellows (big pharma) richer, as they mostly have a lot of stock in these companies. Don't think that they don't carry these stocks. They're getting rich off of them also. Pharma stocks are some of the best there are, because they're doing so well off of the American public. Leaches! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2004 Report Share Posted December 29, 2004 ly I don't think there is any difference. They're both the same amino acid, aren't they? Same with Glutamine or L-glutamine & all the others sold separately with or without the " L " . ----- Original Message ----- From: Kate Guynn I'm going to ask a stupid question, what is the difference in L-Tryptophan and Tryptophan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2004 Report Share Posted December 29, 2004 Since I've had difficulty sleeping my whole life, I was devastated when they took Tryptophan off the market. I can remember using it back in the 1980's before it was taken off the market. It worked a little. You know. kind of an off shoot here, but with how little sleep I actually get, I should weigh very little. Just a thought. Hugs, Tigger Re: *5-HTP Remind me to buy some pharma stocks as soon as I win the lottery....k? ----- Original Message ----- From: Here's the dumb part about that. Tryptophan is in pork, milk, turkey, and some other stuff, but isn't allowed on the grocery or OTC shelves. But L-Tryptophan is, though. It's one of the stupidest moves I've ever seen the FDA make, and I've seen them make some dumb ones. Not so dumb, though, but violates our rights as Americans, as their reasoning was to help make their strange bedfellows (big pharma) richer, as they mostly have a lot of stock in these companies. Don't think that they don't carry these stocks. They're getting rich off of them also. Pharma stocks are some of the best there are, because they're doing so well off of the American public. Leaches! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2004 Report Share Posted December 30, 2004 > Since I've had difficulty sleeping my whole life, I was devastated when > they took Tryptophan off the market. I can remember using it back in the > 1980's before it was taken off the market. It worked a little. Well, I'll just throw this out there, in case anyone can benefit from it. When I first realized I was getting, well, stupid, but before I figured out why, I tried some of the so-called " smart drugs " . They didn't make me smart (unless being smart feels like a headache), but I did find one that helps me sleep. It's called " phenibut " (or sometimes " gabatropin " ), and you can read about it/buy it at www.bulknutrition.com .. They sell it as a powder, and it mixes easily with water, but WOW what a taste. I suspect that's where the " -but " part of its name comes from. You can buy it already encapsulated lots of places, but it's more money that way. I find that it doesn't *make* me feel sleepy, but once I get to sleep I stay that way. Skipping the 3AM full-afterburner anxiety wakeup call is well worth gagging down 1/4 tsp of the stuff (which works out to about 600mg, a fairly low dose). I can wake up if I need to (if my daughter has nightmares, for example), and I'm not groggy the next day like with melatonin (groggy is not something anyone on this list needs more of). There are many phenibut articles out there, and they say it has all kinds of other properties, like improving mental acuity, enhancing concentration and awareness, etc. As much as we would all like to have those things, I have to tell you that, as far as I can tell, that's all crap. But maybe a good night's sleep will do some of those things by itself. The articles also say you build up a tolerance to it, but I haven't found that to be the case either. Maybe taking it only once a day, and at a low dose, prevents that. The usual disclaimers -- I'm not affiliated with bulknutrition.com or any other place that sells the stuff. If you try it, read about it first and make your own decisions. I'm not a doctor (you can write your own joke about doctors and smart drugs here). > You know. kind of an off shoot here, but with how little sleep I actually > get, I should weigh very little. Just a thought. > > Hugs, > Tigger I don't know. If I'm sleeping, I'm not snacking... :-) -- prr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2004 Report Share Posted December 30, 2004 Yes, and in most cases, the " legal " version is going to be the metabolite or precursor to the same thing, which makes it no different than the original. It's a precursor to Serotonin, and, of course, we want to be able to sell lots of Serotonin-promoting antidepressants for zillions of $$s, so we don't want anything as good as that competing with the sales of those. Re: *5-HTP > > ly I don't think there is any difference. They're both the same amino acid, aren't they? Same with Glutamine or L-glutamine & all the others sold separately with or without the " L " . > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Kate Guynn > > I'm going to ask a stupid question, what is the difference in > L-Tryptophan and Tryptophan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2004 Report Share Posted December 30, 2004 Nope, it is just the opposite! When you don't get enough rest, and the brain can't go to sleep regularly, for a good amt of time, the brain is starved for sugar. Therefore, it will begin to go into a " savings account " mode and will start putting everything you eat into storage, i.e., fat. Lot of people don't know this. So, usually, the less sleep you get, the heavier you will eventually get, especially since the body senses this as a threat to your health. Then it starts going Save, Save, Save that calorie, I may need it later. She's not giving me enough to work on! This is why many hypos gain weight or at least gain weight just around the middle, if they don't gain it everywhere. The body has gone into a hybernation mode because it is threatened from existence in a normal way. Re: *5-HTP > > Since I've had difficulty sleeping my whole life, I was devastated when they took Tryptophan off the market. I can remember using it back in the 1980's before it was taken off the market. It worked a little. > > You know. kind of an off shoot here, but with how little sleep I actually get, I should weigh very little. Just a thought. > Hugs, > Tigger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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