Guest guest Posted December 17, 2004 Report Share Posted December 17, 2004 In a message dated 12/17/2004 12:13:05 PM Eastern Standard Time, PlaysByTheSea@... writes: > But the breast tenderness came after I started taking the Armour. > And I did have my female hormones tested. > I'm not sure where I should be on the Armour. > Yesterday I was miserably depressed. > I can't motivate myself to exercise and I need to. > > trust me...the breast tenderness is not from the Armour. It may be from changes in your body as the hypo starts to go away - but it is not from Armour. The depression and lack of motivation are hypo symptoms. Cindi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 2004 Report Share Posted December 17, 2004 In a message dated 12/17/2004 12:35:53 PM Eastern Standard Time, PlaysByTheSea@... writes: > Can the Armour influence or increase the Estrogen dominance? > Because that is when the breast tenderness, weight, appetite etc... > increased. > I am so scared to continue on this stuff. I feel like its making my > body go > out of control. > I think sometimes that what some people think is Estrogen Dominance is low thyroid hormone. I think that low thyroid hormone causes all your hormones to go out of whack. I think that it's most important to get the right levels of thyroid hormone before you can get the other things right. I do not think 1/4 grain of Armour is having that much of an effect on your body. That is hardly anything. Cindi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 2004 Report Share Posted December 17, 2004 In a message dated 12/17/2004 12:35:53 PM Eastern Standard Time, PlaysByTheSea@... writes: > I haven't had children yet and am afraid of what the added hormones, > thyroid will/can do. > > You have to have enough thyroid hormone to even conceive and also to carry the baby. Miscarriages are common in low thyroid folks. What I encourage you to do is to have your doctor run a Free T4 and Free T3 blood test on you so you know exactly what you're dealing with as far as your thyroid hormones. cindi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 2004 Report Share Posted December 17, 2004 In a message dated 12/17/2004 12:35:53 PM Eastern Standard Time, PlaysByTheSea@... writes: > How does dosing with Armour work? When do you increase your dose, how? > or by how much? Do you take it two times a day. I'm supposed to take > mine > right now but I really don't want to. > a person usually starts with 1/2 grain or one grain. Usually you stay on that about two weeks and if hypo symptoms are still there, you raise by another 1/2 grain. Most people go 2 to 4 weeks before upping. Once you get to 3 grains, you go much slower and usually only up by 1/4 grain. Some people split the dose immediately. I recommend feeling good in the morning and all with enough Armour, before adding the afternoon dose. Cindi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 2004 Report Share Posted December 17, 2004 But the breast tenderness came after I started taking the Armour. And I did have my female hormones tested. I'm not sure where I should be on the Armour. Yesterday I was miserably depressed. I can't motivate myself to exercise and I need to. On Friday, December 17, 2004, at 06:36 AM, NaturalThyroidHormones wrote: > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 22:26:05 -0500 > > Subject: Re: Armour and weight gain > >>> How come the Armour is causing my breasts to swell and become tender? > And how come I am gaining weight?<< > > Armour does not cause breast swelling nor does it cause you to gain > weight. It is more likely Estrogen dominance that is causing both. Are > you menopausal or having rough periods? Hypo can cause the weight gain > possibly you are not on an optimal dose of Armour yet, How much are > you taking and for how long? Have you had your female hormones > checked? > > *Artistic Grooming * Hurricane, WV > Fat cat? Diabetes? Listowner for overweight or hypothyroid cats > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hypokitties/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 2004 Report Share Posted December 17, 2004 >>But the breast tenderness came after I started taking the Armour.<< I think this happens as your body begins to wake up after running in too slow mode for a while. Estrogen dominance is very common in hypothyroid people. The only way to find your correct dosage of Armour is to very slowly raise your dosage till you feel good. By slowly I mean 1/2 grain every 3-4 weeks. When at any 4 week mark you feel your hypo symptoms gone, stay on that dosage and you should be fine. In the meantime,maybe some progesterone cream would help with the estrogen dominance symptoms. Artistic Grooming Hurricane, West Virginia --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.811 / Virus Database: 552 - Release Date: 12/13/2004 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 2004 Report Share Posted December 17, 2004 Can the Armour influence or increase the Estrogen dominance? Because that is when the breast tenderness, weight, appetite etc... increased. I am so scared to continue on this stuff. I feel like its making my body go out of control. Has anyone heard of Theresa Dale? Has anyone tried her protocol? Out of fear I am considering going the homeopathic route. I haven't had children yet and am afraid of what the added hormones, thyroid will/can do. I'm sorry but this has been quite an unpleasant experience, quite opposite of what I was told it would be. And I'm a bit uncomfortable with the idea that there can be a chance that the hormones and thyroid can be harming my body. I'm afraid that when I want to get off the Armour and cream that I'll immediately fall into a downward spiral because I had trained my body to become dependant on the Armour and progesterone. I think if I were feeling better and not depressed and eating so much that I wouldn't be so concerned. How does dosing with Armour work? When do you increase your dose, how? or by how much? Do you take it two times a day. I'm supposed to take mine right now but I really don't want to. On Friday, December 17, 2004, at 06:36 AM, NaturalThyroidHormones wrote: > Message: 5 > Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 03:53:10 -0000 > > Subject: Re: Armour and weight gain > > > Hmmm, I believe I answered a post like this recently. Maybe it > didn't get through? Repeating what stated, Armour does not > cause breasts to swell nor does it cause weight gain. Breast > swelling is caused by estrogen dominance, as can be weight gain. It > signals that you may be on a sub-optimal dose of Armour, which is > causing your hypo to return and subsequent problems. Armour, by the > way, works as a diuretic. > > Don't feel hopeless. Armour is fabulous and gives fabulous results. > Let us know how much you are on. It WILL get better. It DOES get > better. I've come from HELL to feeling like a teenager. You will, > too. Janie ) > >> I submitted something similar earlier but haven't received any > response. >> How come the Armour is causing my breasts to swell and become > tender? >> And how come I am gaining weight? >> >> I think people should be warned if there is a possibility that > this can >> happen. >> I am very unhappy with my appearance now and it is adding to my >> depression. >> I feel very hopeless. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 2004 Report Share Posted December 17, 2004 I'm also not at the point where I'm motivated to restart exercising yet either. It's too painful & I'm often too tired/exhausted to do so as I've got myself, this house & all the other routine stuff everyone has to do to take care of that takes all my energy, time & money & no help with it. I think I will feel more like exercising again after I get on a higher Armour dosage. It takes time. I'm not pushing myself. I'm resting & that's what I need right now. I've been pushing myself too much & burning myself out for years & years...enough is enough already yet...it's rest time now...at least for a while until I feel better...even if all I do everyday is eat, sleep & pay the bills & that's it. Re: Digest Number 2107 But the breast tenderness came after I started taking the Armour. And I did have my female hormones tested. I'm not sure where I should be on the Armour. Yesterday I was miserably depressed. I can't motivate myself to exercise and I need to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 2004 Report Share Posted December 17, 2004 Breast tenderness & pain...I cured that in myself using evening primrose oil & black currant oil. It's all gone now. How can you possibly think that NOT taking the hormones your body is crying out for will help you? You're talking about your natural hormonal needs as if they were addictive drugs or something. They are NOT that at all. You should not deny it what it needs if it's not manufacturing them itself for whatever reason. We need to take the extra hormones to " normalize " us...not make us sicker or " addicted' which NOT taking them will definitely do. Because if you do not take them then your doctors will want you to take truly addictive drugs you will become dependant on & addicted to...like anti-depressants & pain medications. When my sister was hypothyroid after her 2nd birth to a girl, she had to hunt for a docor that knew his thyroid from his ars-hol. She finally found one who put her on Armour & a year later she was normal again & hasn't taken any since & doesn't have any hypoT symptoms that I could ever notice or that she ever complained of. Tho she's 69yo now & may need some now & not know it which I think is the case for her in her older aging process. But the point was she took the natural thyroid untill she was completely well & her own thyroid began to function properly again. She was only in her 20s then tho...so was diagnosed & prescribed for immediately & correctly which isn't the case with the rest of us long-suffering wounded ones. So take the hormones, my dear, you'll be way better for it & be grateful you started to. You'll regret it later if you don't. It's what your body needs. Listen to your body & give it what it needs. I'll let the other experienced, knowledgeable veterans here tell you about how to dose yourself, etc. I'm too new at this to be advising anyone except to *take* it & stop worrying so much. It will give you *more* control, not put your body out of control which it sounds like it already is. Get your control back...take the Armour & Progesterone. Why be out of control when you can get your control back? ----- Original Message ----- From: ATrulyFreeSpirit Can the Armour influence or increase the Estrogen dominance? Because that is when the breast tenderness, weight, appetite etc... increased. I am so scared to continue on this stuff. I feel like its making my body go out of control. And I'm a bit uncomfortable with the idea that there can be a chance that the hormones and thyroid can be harming my body. I'm afraid that when I want to get off the Armour and cream that I'll immediately fall into a downward spiral because I had trained my body to become dependant on the Armour and progesterone. I think if I were feeling better and not depressed and eating so much that I wouldn't be so concerned. How does dosing with Armour work? When do you increase your dose, how? or by how much? Do you take it two times a day. I'm supposed to take mine right now but I really don't want to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 18, 2004 Report Share Posted December 18, 2004 In a message dated 12/18/2004 10:55:41 AM Eastern Standard Time, martian.303@... writes: > I think this is something that goes unrecognized, and maybe since it > happens in the beginning of treatment, and doesn't last that long, people don't > associate it with the armour. Or, maybe only a few people have this reaction. > But I remember it very well! > > i think maybe this needs to be clarified. Armour does not cause breast tenderness...in other words, it is not a side effect of Armour. But treating one's hypothyroid condition will cause changes in the body as it normalizes....and breast tenderness from hormones returning to normal if they were abnormal may happen. Cindi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 18, 2004 Report Share Posted December 18, 2004 My breasts were tender and got enlarged also. It passed. I thought it was because the armour initially 'sitrred up' my hormones. I then started on the natural progesterone cream too. I think this is something that goes unrecognized, and maybe since it happens in the beginning of treatment, and doesn't last that long, people don't associate it with the armour. Or, maybe only a few people have this reaction. But I remember it very well! You sound like me now - (depressed and totally unmotivated to do anything) and I know that I need to increase my armour. Cris Re: Armour and weight gain > >>> How come the Armour is causing my breasts to swell and become tender? > And how come I am gaining weight?<< > > Armour does not cause breast swelling nor does it cause you to gain > weight. It is more likely Estrogen dominance that is causing both. Are > you menopausal or having rough periods? Hypo can cause the weight gain > possibly you are not on an optimal dose of Armour yet, How much are > you taking and for how long? Have you had your female hormones > checked? > > *Artistic Grooming * Hurricane, WV > Fat cat? Diabetes? Listowner for overweight or hypothyroid cats > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hypokitties/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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