test results - opinions please

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In a message dated 12/6/2004 12:49:46 PM Eastern Standard Time,

lyn.worth@... writes:

> I still have sleep problems even though I am taking 5htp and melatonin.

>

This could be elevated cortisol...it was the cause of my sleep problems. It

eventually resolved itself. Have long have you been on the Armour?

Cindi

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In a message dated 12/6/2004 12:49:46 PM Eastern Standard Time,

lyn.worth@... writes:

> Free T3 - 4.3 (2.1 to 6.0)

> Free T4 - 16.4 (11.5 to 23.0)

> TSH - 0.01 (0.4 to 4.0)

> both sets of antibodies negative

>

>

Lynda,

The labs are looking like you're headed in the right direction. I would

probably add 1/4 to 1/2 grain and see if your symtpoms improve.

Another question would be...why are you taking the Deltacortril? Did you

have any tests run for adrenal fatigue. The reason I ask is that I thought I

needed the Delta too...and maybe I did...but then I got a saliva test that

showed

I had Elevated Cortisol and I stopped the Delta and started feeling better.

Cindi

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In a message dated 12/6/2004 1:11:52 PM Eastern Standard Time,

lyn.worth@... writes:

> I'm taking the delta because following Dr Rind's adrenal symptoms chart I

> had just about every single symptom

Lynda,

I did too...i was SURE I had adrenal fatigue because after all..I'd been

untreated for 15 years. But the truth is...I think my adrenals improved just

from

the Armour. And I actually think the best way to know if you need adrenal

support is whether or not you can up your Armour without any problems. I was

able too...I never had a problem upping. So in my case, I think the Delta was

not necessarily needed...and contributed to my exaggerated startle response,

insomnia and was a strain on my body. I'll never know for sure...i took it

about 3 months. But I really did start doing better when I quit it. So,

something to think about.

Cindi

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In a message dated 12/6/2004 2:26:03 PM Eastern Standard Time,

lyn.worth@... writes:

> I then thought that it would be LESS of a strain if the doses were more

> equal - see how 2 people can look at the same problem and come up with

> different answers <lol>

>

yea...lol. My reasoning on that is someone telling me that the thyroid gland

releases most of its hormone stores in the morning..and so it's better to

take more then...so the body has it available. I think also when reading about

divided doses - it says to take 2/3 in the morning and 1/3 6-8 hours later.

but yea, i can see the less of a strain theory too.

cindi

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here are my recent test results, opinions needed please

Free T3 - 4.3 (2.1 to 6.0)

Free T4 - 16.4 (11.5 to 23.0)

TSH - 0.01 (0.4 to 4.0)

both sets of antibodies negative

serum ferritin - 122 (28 - 397)

my own opinion is that FT3 could be a little higher, what about FT4? does that

need to be higher or lower? I am currently taking 3 grains armour.

I ought to be feeling good but, in truth, I'm not. I am very up and down, I'm

sure that some of my symptoms are menopausal and it is sometime difficult to

sort out what is what. For meno I am using estriodol gel and progesterone

cream 10% strength.

I still have sleep problems even though I am taking 5htp and melatonin.

My temperature is still low, starts out at around 96.8 and never gets above 97.4

throughout the day. Despite that I still feel hot most of the time. I am

also taking deltacortril 5mg a day (previously took hydrocortisone 5mg x 4 per

day for 9 months) I am still very jumpy, almost take off when the phone or door

bell rings.

I start sweating when talking to people, even on the phone.

Any insight would be appreciated

Lynda (in the UK)

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your ferritin is a bit high. What other blood work have you done? For us there

is a fine line on iron. Melatonin has been said to block thyroid meds, though I

don't know if I have a link. What are your cortisol levels?

test results - opinions please

here are my recent test results, opinions needed please

Free T3 - 4.3 (2.1 to 6.0)

Free T4 - 16.4 (11.5 to 23.0)

TSH - 0.01 (0.4 to 4.0)

both sets of antibodies negative

serum ferritin - 122 (28 - 397)

my own opinion is that FT3 could be a little higher, what about FT4? does

that need to be higher or lower? I am currently taking 3 grains armour.

I ought to be feeling good but, in truth, I'm not. I am very up and down,

I'm sure that some of my symptoms are menopausal and it is sometime difficult to

sort out what is what. For meno I am using estriodol gel and progesterone

cream 10% strength.

I still have sleep problems even though I am taking 5htp and melatonin.

My temperature is still low, starts out at around 96.8 and never gets above

97.4 throughout the day. Despite that I still feel hot most of the time. I

am also taking deltacortril 5mg a day (previously took hydrocortisone 5mg x 4

per day for 9 months) I am still very jumpy, almost take off when the phone or

door bell rings.

I start sweating when talking to people, even on the phone.

Any insight would be appreciated

Lynda (in the UK)

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Lynda, I think you need more Armour. Your Free's BOTH of them are too low to

feel good. Have you had your cortisol checked? The jumpiness could be from

that.

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In a message dated 12/6/2004 4:10:29 PM Eastern Standard Time,

alison.ashwell@... writes:

> and as usual with ferritin has to be considered

> in light of any autoimmune conditions [eg hashimotos] as its an acute

> phase reactant. and rises in response to inflammation

Alison,

am i understanding you right - that ferritin can be elevated because of

autoimmune disease? because of inflammation?

cindi

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,

do both of the frees need to be at the upper end of the range?

I couldn't afford to have the cortisol checked this time, it is a separate

saliva test. I have the kit here and will try to have it done in January.

I wanted to ask you about the oestrogel that you are using - is it the one that

comes in a metered dose pump? That's the one I am using, are you using one

metered dose a day or more than that? I still wonder whether I need more with

me feeling hot all the time

Lynda (in the UK)

Re: test results - opinions please

Lynda, I think you need more Armour. Your Free's BOTH of them are too low to

feel good. Have you had your cortisol checked? The jumpiness could be from

that.

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Cindi,

I'm taking the delta because following Dr Rind's adrenal symptoms chart I had

just about every single symptom. Some have improved but not all. Before I

started taking it I couldn't sleep at all but that has improved a little. I am

going to have cortisol tests as soon as I can afford them

Lynda (in the UK)

Re: test results - opinions please

In a message dated 12/6/2004 12:49:46 PM Eastern Standard Time,

lyn.worth@... writes:

> Free T3 - 4.3 (2.1 to 6.0)

> Free T4 - 16.4 (11.5 to 23.0)

> TSH - 0.01 (0.4 to 4.0)

> both sets of antibodies negative

>

>

Lynda,

The labs are looking like you're headed in the right direction. I would

probably add 1/4 to 1/2 grain and see if your symtpoms improve.

Another question would be...why are you taking the Deltacortril? Did you

have any tests run for adrenal fatigue. The reason I ask is that I thought I

needed the Delta too...and maybe I did...but then I got a saliva test that

showed

I had Elevated Cortisol and I stopped the Delta and started feeling better.

Cindi

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Cindi

I have been on armour for almost 2 years, taking it very slowly now as I

probably went too fast to begin with and had to drop my dose quite drastically

and start more slowly.

Lynda (in the UK)

Re: test results - opinions please

In a message dated 12/6/2004 12:49:46 PM Eastern Standard Time,

lyn.worth@... writes:

> I still have sleep problems even though I am taking 5htp and melatonin.

>

This could be elevated cortisol...it was the cause of my sleep problems. It

eventually resolved itself. Have long have you been on the Armour?

Cindi

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between 75 to 90. Are you taking iron? b-12 doesn't seem to be an issue of too

high from what I was told. Do you still have periods? Do you take a b complex?

Have you had folic acid tested, calcium, what else?

Re: test results - opinions please

Jamy,

where should my ferritin be in that range (ideally). I also had B12 tested

and it was way above range. The comment said that it was probably induced by

medication.

I am taking 1000mcg a day which is the recommended dose

Lynda (in the UK)

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Jamy,

where should my ferritin be in that range (ideally). I also had B12 tested and

it was way above range. The comment said that it was probably induced by

medication.

I am taking 1000mcg a day which is the recommended dose

Lynda (in the UK)

test results - opinions please

here are my recent test results, opinions needed please

Free T3 - 4.3 (2.1 to 6.0)

Free T4 - 16.4 (11.5 to 23.0)

TSH - 0.01 (0.4 to 4.0)

both sets of antibodies negative

serum ferritin - 122 (28 - 397)

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you need both a 24 hour urine cortisol burden and saliva since you are taking

adrenal supplementation

Re: test results - opinions please

Lynda, I think you need more Armour. Your Free's BOTH of them are too low to

feel good. Have you had your cortisol checked? The jumpiness could be from

that.

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one more thing I forgot to mention that really bothers me. The slightest bit

of physical exertion (making a bed, light cleaning around the house etc) makes

me sweat and my heart pounds out of my chest. It takes at least an hour to

cool down after that. I am quite worried that I may have a heart problem.

I don't want to take this to my doc if it's not necessary as I am

self-medicating with armour and I don't want him running tests

Lynda (in the UK)

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I have the same issue and my ferritin is low and I take no cortisol so I am

worried also. Sorry, no help here on that

Re: test results - opinions please

one more thing I forgot to mention that really bothers me. The slightest bit

of physical exertion (making a bed, light cleaning around the house etc) makes

me sweat and my heart pounds out of my chest. It takes at least an hour to

cool down after that. I am quite worried that I may have a heart problem.

I don't want to take this to my doc if it's not necessary as I am

self-medicating with armour and I don't want him running tests

Lynda (in the UK)

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Cindy just mentioned something that has some merit about taking enough in the

morning to shock the receptors. Maybe try the same dose but like for me at 3

grains, I take 2 grains when I get up and 1 grain at 1. Try 2/3 when you get up

and then the rest after lunch about an hour. The first few days I was pretty

wired but it subsided

Re: test results - opinions please

between 75 to 90. Are you taking iron? b-12 doesn't seem to be an issue of

too high from what I was told. Do you still have periods? Do you take a b

complex? Have you had folic acid tested, calcium, what else?

[Guest guest]

Cindi

yes, I used to take 2 grains in the morning and 1 at lunchtime. I then thought

that it would be LESS of a strain if the doses were more equal - see how 2

people can look at the same problem and come up with different answers <lol>

To be honest I don't think it has made any difference.

Lynda (in the UK)

Re: test results - opinions please

hmmm....ok...just a thought here. to me...it seems like I need most of my

meds in the AM....or I'd never get going at all. So I do 2 in the morning and

1

1/2 around lunch. Have you ever tried getting more in you in the morning?

I'm just wondering if your body is straining from not getting enough to get

the

body going in the AM.

Cindi

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so I see you tried it the other way. What do you feel like that you need to up

more?

Re: test results - opinions please

hmmm....ok...just a thought here. to me...it seems like I need most of my

meds in the AM....or I'd never get going at all. So I do 2 in the morning

and 1

1/2 around lunch. Have you ever tried getting more in you in the morning?

I'm just wondering if your body is straining from not getting enough to get

the

body going in the AM.

Cindi

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Jamy,

the test I plan on having done is a 24 hour salivary profile for cortisol and

dheas, is that the one you are thing of?

Obviously I shouldn't take any delta the day of the test but am thinking now of

weaning off it between now and when I have the test done. Do you know how long

I need to be off it to get true results?

Lynda (in the UK)

Re: test results - opinions please

you need both a 24 hour urine cortisol burden and saliva since you are taking

adrenal supplementation

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how long have you been on it

Re: test results - opinions please

you need both a 24 hour urine cortisol burden and saliva since you are

taking adrenal supplementation

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Jamy,

I think I said more or less the same to Cindi in another message but I don't

think it has showed up yet. I was doing like that until a few weeks ago, I

don't think there was any difference but I'll try it again. No, now that I've

had another think about it, that was when I was on 4 grains and I was taking 2

in the morning and 2 after lunch.

Well, now I'll try 2 in the morning and 1 after lunch and maybe after another 2

weeks I'll try increasing another half grain.

Lynda (in the UK)

Re: test results - opinions please

Cindy just mentioned something that has some merit about taking enough in the

morning to shock the receptors. Maybe try the same dose but like for me at 3

grains, I take 2 grains when I get up and 1 grain at 1. Try 2/3 when you get up

and then the rest after lunch about an hour. The first few days I was pretty

wired but it subsided

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Jamy wrote:

>your ferritin is a bit high. What other blood work have you done? For us there

is a fine line on iron. Melatonin has been said to block thyroid meds, though I

don't know if I have a link. What are your cortisol levels?

> ----- Original Message -----

>

The ferritin isn't high and as usual with ferritin has to be considered

in light of any autoimmune conditions [eg hashimotos] as its an acute

phase reactant. and rises in response to inflammation.

Lynda did you have a full blood count done with full red call indices -

MCV, PCV, MCHC etc have you had recent thyroid antibodies done?

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nc2406@... wrote:

>Alison,

>am i understanding you right - that ferritin can be elevated because of

>autoimmune disease? because of inflammation?

>

>

>

>

Yes, ferritin is one of the thinsg known as acute phase reactants-

they rise due to inflammation or infection so a low ferritin is

inicative of low iron stores but a high ferritin may be a sign of other

health issues and not due to excess of iron - ie a ferritin can be

normalised in someone with an auto-immune disease. when in fact their

iron stores are low.

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In a message dated 12/7/2004 4:07:24 AM Eastern Standard Time,

lyn.worth@... writes:

> that's why I started on adrenal support, I couldn't raise my armour.

> Another reason is that I was having an adrenal dump in the middle of the night

> and lying awake for hours

ok then...it sounds like you did need the Delta.

that insomnia stuff really drove me crazy for a while too. i used some

melatonin for a while...and it helped somewhat.

but then all of a sudden, i started being able to go to sleep within 15

minutes of getting in bed. about the 9th month of treatment. what a relief it

has been.

cindi