Aches & pains (not flu) - What do I do to relieve them? I am

November 28, 2004

taking 60 mg. of generic Armour and I ache in my muscles, my feet,

joints in hands/wrist, my hips and bottom. I'm working on increasing

the Armour but what can I do for this? Are there any supplements I

can take to help with this pain? Is this another reminder that I'm

undermedicated?

Thanks,

Molly

November 28, 2004

Hi Molly,

I have all those same aches/pains...the worst of all is in my low back &

hands/fingers/thumb joints. I have to take Rx Darvocet for the pain tho as I

also have severe DDD, congential scoliosis, severe spondylitis, severe arthritis

& severe osteopenia of 40 years duration & getting worse as I age. So doubt even

thyroid supplementation will take all my chronic pain away. That would take

another kind of rejuvenating miracle I'm sure.

Of all the nutritional supplemental things I've taken so far that relieves the

pain, is coral calcium from Kingsway. I'm not currently taking it tho....too

expensive.

Detoxing the body & eating an all-alkaline diet is necessary too...that relieves

tremendous amounts of pain in a few weeks...especially with enemas (garlic or

coffee) or a liver cleanse. That's the hardest part for me.

The B-complex super stress vitamins help too & some other vitamin/mineral/amino

acid supplements I'm also on. But not sure which ones by themselves would be the

greatest help. I seem to need ALL of them working together. The generic Armour

at l 3/4 grains per day is helping moreso now tho I've noticed. So that's a MUST

for me to keep increasing gradually. I'm hoping I can reduce the Rx Darvocet

gradually too & stop taking it altogether one day or keep it to the barest

minimum.

Just my experience. Hope this helps some.

Caroline

Aches & pains (not flu) - What do I do to

relieve them? I am

taking 60 mg. of generic Armour and I ache in my muscles, my feet,

joints in hands/wrist, my hips and bottom. I'm working on increasing

the Armour but what can I do for this? Are there any supplements I

can take to help with this pain? Is this another reminder that I'm

undermedicated?

Thanks,

Molly

November 28, 2004

I was diagnosed last year with fibromyalgia and chronic fatigue. They have a

name for it, but no cure for it. I knew deep down in my soul that there was more

to it than just a name of a syndrome.

Because of this board I have been taking Armour. Atlthough I'm not 100%.... not

really sure if I ever will be, but things are a little better.

Right now I'm on 2gr of Armour. I've been on it just over a week. Right now

it's raining out and very damp... ordinarily I would be in bed doped up on pain

meds. I ache, and I'm sore, and I'm tired, but I definitely see improvement.

There are a number of schools of thought that fibromyalgia and chronic fatigue

are untreated or undertreated hypoT. I'm not sure if that is accurate or not,

but I do believe they are intertwined.

Hugs,

Tigger

Re: Aches & pains (not flu) - What do I do

to relieve them? I am

Molly,

This was one of my main complaints. I'm happy to say after I was on

Armour for 2 months... I was vertially pain free.... with only few

flair ups here and there.

I was popping Ibuprofen in large quantities. I don't suggest it as

my chiro says it does liver damage which I didn't know.

One thing I've found is Epson Salt baths. Bathe in the salt, making

paste where the pain is. It's made of magnesium which I'm low in.

It should be helping me to sleep.

Stretches. Isn't it called Pialetes? I know I misspelled it! It

made since when I read about fibromyalgia symptoms. The muscles

contract, but won't release. Giving your muscles a good stretch

should release some toxins and release the contraction.

Hang in there... those were all the same place I was aching.

Armour is the inevitable answer.

Crystal

November 30, 2004

Yes, it may be undermedication, but I've been doing a LOT of reading about

something else lately, mostly as related to Mitral Valve Prolapse, but it

also applied to a lot of us, I could bet. Do you have any idea whether

you're consuming enough magnesium or not? Right now, I am reading article

after article on this, and low magnesium is very involved with fibromyalgia,

a.k.a., thyroid disease. There is a very big push to take lots and lots of

calcium right now, but when we do this and don't also supplement with 1/2

that amt of magnesium, we are doing in our bones, heart, and connective

tissues. I just started taking a separate mag supp, along with some xtra

niacin (which isn't in my general supp for some strange reason! I just

discovered!). We have to have the balance, or we don't heal as well as we

should.

Aches & pains (not flu) - What do I do to

relieve them? I am

>

> taking 60 mg. of generic Armour and I ache in my muscles, my feet,

> joints in hands/wrist, my hips and bottom. I'm working on increasing

> the Armour but what can I do for this? Are there any supplements I

> can take to help with this pain? Is this another reminder that I'm

> undermedicated?

>

> Thanks,

>

> Molly

November 30, 2004

I read about the necessity of taking magnesium with calcium years ago....and

phosphorous too. Also vitamin D is necessary for calcium absorption. That's the

sunshine vitamin.

We cannot assimilate calcium without the vitamin D or phophorous either. Since I

discovered that I've always taken a liquid calcium-magnesium-phosphorous-vitamin

D formula.

Another thing is that it should be taken on an empty stomach at night before

bedtime. My chiropractor told me that this year in fact.

The label on the bottle of the formula I have says to take it with food. So I

was taking it with breakfast. Every night I'd be getting muscle spams in my neck

& upper back & shoulders that was going into my arms & hands & misaligning the

joints, causing more horrible pain & more chiro visits. After I started taking

it at bedtime on an empty stomach that cleared up in two days. So I know I'm

taking it correctly now.

But the other thing I learned about bones & calclium is that we need a certain

amount of direct sunlight into our eyes & onto our skin every day for calcium to

assimilate & work properly too. Some experts say we need as much as 2 hours in

the sun daily without any sunglasses on. Others say 20-30 minutes is enough. But

all agree it's needed. It's the full rainbow spectrum light we need. Also all

the phytonutrients (full rainbrow spectrum/colors) from our food every day.

I'm not one who gets enough direct or indirect sun on me during the winter

months so I bought a sun lamp & full spectrum light bulbs for my home which help

but aren't the same or as effective as full spectrum outdoor sunshine.

I used to be a sun worshipper in the summer but aren't anymore because there's

no place for me to sunbathe where I'm now living. But in the Spring & Summer I

do get outside in the sun or shade for up to 2 hours per day mostly in my

yard/garden.

I've noticed since I couldn't work out there due to injuries this Spring/Summer,

I've felt worse & worse. Now it's winter & I still need the sun & can't get

any...too cold or rainy outside now. My bones problems have worsened

considerably to the point of severe osteopenia now from not enough of all this.

But taking the cal-mag-phos-D formula at not without food has helped definitely.

I know it's still not enough though. I need the sunshine.

But the sun & full spectrum light plus magnsium & phosphorous are all necessary

for proper assimilation & absorption of calcium. Without those....it doesn't

work.