Re: Re: AA speaker Bob Earl

[Guest guest]

Joe - someone tried to turn me onto Bob Earl years and years ago. I checked

him out briefly, and discarded him as a ding-a-ling. I thought this guy had

gone away.

Jan

In a message dated 8/18/01 11:40:16 AM Central Daylight Time,

joe-b@... writes:

<< He runs workshops and sells tapes of himself. I knew someone who had a

crateful

of those tapoes and thought they were " really great " . Many of the workshop

attendees and tape purchasers are AA members who want to rebel, slightly; be

a

bit controversial in meetings, talk a bit about their childhood stuff and how

angry they are getting with the help of their therapist (sic), but stay well

and

truly in the 12 step fold. In other word play the rebel without changing

anything. Er, like Bob Earll himself! Without remaining an AA member BE would

probably lose much of that income.

---

Joe B.

>>

[Guest guest]

> Okay, Bob Earl says this stuff, in effect admits he is a total

> hypocrite. Where does he go from there? Is it all right or not all

> right? If it's all right, why? What's the purpose? If it's not all

> right, what's he still doing in AA? And so forth.

>

> You know, observing people like him is one of the reasons I left AA.

He runs workshops and sells tapes of himself. I knew someone who had a crateful

of those tapoes and thought they were " really great " . Many of the workshop

attendees and tape purchasers are AA members who want to rebel, slightly; be a

bit controversial in meetings, talk a bit about their childhood stuff and how

angry they are getting with the help of their therapist (sic), but stay well and

truly in the 12 step fold. In other word play the rebel without changing

anything. Er, like Bob Earll himself! Without remaining an AA member BE would

probably lose much of that income.

---

Joe B.

[Guest guest]

Hi Joe,

Reform is wrong? I think its good that some people are trying to

achieve ceertain reforms within an organisation as they compliment some of

those who are working on the outside. Damned if you do and damned if you

don't might be the wrong message.

Thanks for your contribution.

SheilaP

>

>Reply-To: 12-step-free

>To: 12-step-free

>Subject: Re: Re: AA speaker Bob Earl

>Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 17:37:44 +0100

>

>

>

> > Okay, Bob Earl says this stuff, in effect admits he is a total

> > hypocrite. Where does he go from there? Is it all right or not all

> > right? If it's all right, why? What's the purpose? If it's not all

> > right, what's he still doing in AA? And so forth.

> >

> > You know, observing people like him is one of the reasons I left AA.

>

>He runs workshops and sells tapes of himself. I knew someone who had a

>crateful

>of those tapoes and thought they were " really great " . Many of the workshop

>attendees and tape purchasers are AA members who want to rebel, slightly;

>be a

>bit controversial in meetings, talk a bit about their childhood stuff and

>how

>angry they are getting with the help of their therapist (sic), but stay

>well and

>truly in the 12 step fold. In other word play the rebel without changing

>anything. Er, like Bob Earll himself! Without remaining an AA member BE

>would

>probably lose much of that income.

>---

>Joe B.

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[Guest guest]

In a message dated 8/20/01 9:20:10 PM Central Daylight Time,

gprice@... writes:

<< One doesnot reform something based upon fundamentally wrong ideas and

psudo science. You trash it and move on.

-----Reform will come with new therapies etc.

Part of the 'denial' of steppers is the denial that the steps are

Really That Bad.

For me, they are.

--------For me they were really horrible mindfucks.

The steps are a Cult. AA is a cult. You get out of cults, you do

not reform them.

----------I have to agree with that!

Call a spade a spade.

It's a dead horse, suitable for burrial.

-GPdA

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