Guest guest Posted March 24, 2002 Report Share Posted March 24, 2002 Found this online at: http://www.comforthouse.com/comfort/nosvitb12.html > Hi all! > >I switched from my Vitamin Shoppe brand to " No Shot " B-12 - 1000 > mcg instant release by a company called Superior Source out of California. > The dissolve immediately (I would be sucking on the VS brand for like 20 > mins). > Marjie Wassermann > Open RNY 12/9/99 > -150 > TT & Brachioplasty 6/19/01 > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2002 Report Share Posted May 25, 2002 , You start taking those shots NOW. B12 deficiency can cause permanent nerve damage before it ever gets " too low " . The shot is easy to give to yourself. The sublingual is NOT enough. I have seen countless people on this list proclaim that they don't need B12 shots, or protein, or supplements, and a few months later, those same people are in the hospital with serious deficiencies. Take the shots! Ok, so I'm not subtle. just do it. in Nebraska b-12 > I wanted to switch vitamin brands and found a good one, but it was a little > shorter on B-12 than my last. So I got the salesperson's advice and bought > Methycobalamin B-12 sublinguals. It say take one every 2-3 days, or as > recommended. Each lozenge is 1000 mcg. I wondered if anyone knows if this > is too much for daily consumption. My B-12 labs showed 665 PG/ML (range is > 250-1100) and my doctor seemed pleased, but advised me that the body can > store B-12 for up to 5 years before showing deficient. > > Any free advice? > > in Austin > RNY April 1998 > > > > Homepage: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Graduate-OSSG > > Unsubscribe: mailto:Graduate-OSSG-unsubscribe > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 26, 2002 Report Share Posted May 26, 2002 Hi , I pulled out my trusty " Vitamin Book, " and it says that the RDA for normal adults is 2 mcg per day. With that in mind, I take 2 sublinguals (1000 mcg each) per week. B-12 is considered nontoxic, so I wouldn't worry about OD'ing. But, I just read an interesting little section under " Interactions " : " People taking prescription or over-the-counter acid-blocking medications for ulcers or indigestion should be aware that the lack of acid could decrease B-12 absorption, though this effect is not likely to be seen for several years. " Then, under " Therapeutic Uses " , it says the following: " A more common deficiency is due to poor absorption caused by the lack of effective intrinsic factor or of stomach acid. Here, injections of B12 are needed, usually once a month. Occasionally, very large (1000 mcg) oral doses are used. This sometimes works because a little (about 1 percent) is absorbed by simple diffusion. " So, FWIW, I would say twice a week is fine, but 3 a week shouldn't hurt you. in NJ ************************************************ In a message dated 5/26/02 3:03:20 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dbandas@... writes: << I wanted to switch vitamin brands and found a good one, but it was a little shorter on B-12 than my last. So I got the salesperson's advice and bought Methycobalamin B-12 sublinguals. It say take one every 2-3 days, or as recommended. Each lozenge is 1000 mcg. I wondered if anyone knows if this is too much for daily consumption. My B-12 labs showed 665 PG/ML (range is 250-1100) and my doctor seemed pleased, but advised me that the body can store B-12 for up to 5 years before showing deficient. Any free advice? in Austin RNY April 1998 >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 26, 2002 Report Share Posted May 26, 2002 That's strange about the lack of acid decreasing B-12 absorption. My first reaction was, " well, NOW I know why my doc says to give yourself the shot. " But on further reflection, the sublingual dose goes right into the bloodstream as well, never makes it to the stomach, acid or no acid. hmmmm... /johnb Re: b-12 > Hi , > > I pulled out my trusty " Vitamin Book, " and it says that the RDA for normal > adults is 2 mcg per day. With that in mind, I take 2 sublinguals (1000 mcg > each) per week. B-12 is considered nontoxic, so I wouldn't worry about > OD'ing. > > But, I just read an interesting little section under " Interactions " : > " People taking prescription or over-the-counter acid-blocking medications for > ulcers or indigestion should be aware that the lack of acid could decrease > B-12 absorption, though this effect is not likely to be seen for several > years. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Then, under " Therapeutic Uses " , it says the following: > " A more common deficiency is due to poor absorption caused by the lack of > effective intrinsic factor or of stomach acid. Here, injections of B12 are > needed, usually once a month. Occasionally, very large (1000 mcg) oral doses > are used. This sometimes works because a little (about 1 percent) is > absorbed by simple diffusion. " > > So, FWIW, I would say twice a week is fine, but 3 a week shouldn't hurt you. > > in NJ > ************************************************ > In a message dated 5/26/02 3:03:20 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dbandas@... > writes: > > << I wanted to switch vitamin brands and found a good one, but it was a little > shorter on B-12 than my last. So I got the salesperson's advice and bought > Methycobalamin B-12 sublinguals. It say take one every 2-3 days, or as > recommended. Each lozenge is 1000 mcg. I wondered if anyone knows if this > is too much for daily consumption. My B-12 labs showed 665 PG/ML (range is > 250-1100) and my doctor seemed pleased, but advised me that the body can > store B-12 for up to 5 years before showing deficient. > > Any free advice? > > in Austin > RNY April 1998 > >> > > Homepage: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Graduate-OSSG > > Unsubscribe: mailto:Graduate-OSSG-unsubscribe > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 26, 2002 Report Share Posted May 26, 2002 And never has a chance to mingle with intrinsic factor. The subs work for years for some people, never do for others. I took nothing for 6 yrs and B12 levels were way high. Then they gradually came down, so am now an old pro with the shots. Gave one to my dad today! He was really surprised, since I used to turn my head when my mom did her insulin. No big deal now. I love watching healthy numbers on my labs. I never did get a power surge when I got B12. I've heard that means you're not that low in it. That's a good thing, then, right? Thanks, http://www.vitalady.com For info on PayPal, click this link: https://secure.paypal.com/affil/pal=vitalady%40bigfoot.com Re: b-12 > > > > Hi , > > > > I pulled out my trusty " Vitamin Book, " and it says that the RDA for normal > > adults is 2 mcg per day. With that in mind, I take 2 sublinguals (1000 > mcg > > each) per week. B-12 is considered nontoxic, so I wouldn't worry about > > OD'ing. > > > > But, I just read an interesting little section under " Interactions " : > > " People taking prescription or over-the-counter acid-blocking medications > for > > ulcers or indigestion should be aware that the lack of acid could decrease > > B-12 absorption, though this effect is not likely to be seen for several > > years. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Then, under " Therapeutic Uses " , it says the following: > > " A more common deficiency is due to poor absorption caused by the lack of > > effective intrinsic factor or of stomach acid. Here, injections of B12 > are > > needed, usually once a month. Occasionally, very large (1000 mcg) oral > doses > > are used. This sometimes works because a little (about 1 percent) is > > absorbed by simple diffusion. " > > > > So, FWIW, I would say twice a week is fine, but 3 a week shouldn't hurt > you. > > > > in NJ > > ************************************************ > > In a message dated 5/26/02 3:03:20 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > dbandas@... > > writes: > > > > << I wanted to switch vitamin brands and found a good one, but it was a > little > > shorter on B-12 than my last. So I got the salesperson's advice and > bought > > Methycobalamin B-12 sublinguals. It say take one every 2-3 days, or as > > recommended. Each lozenge is 1000 mcg. I wondered if anyone knows if > this > > is too much for daily consumption. My B-12 labs showed 665 PG/ML (range > is > > 250-1100) and my doctor seemed pleased, but advised me that the body can > > store B-12 for up to 5 years before showing deficient. > > > > Any free advice? > > > > in Austin > > RNY April 1998 > > >> > > > > Homepage: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Graduate-OSSG > > > > Unsubscribe: mailto:Graduate-OSSG-unsubscribe > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2002 Report Share Posted May 27, 2002 You may never need to take B-12 shots. For a comparison of taking mega dosages verses shots see http://www.lef.org/magazine/mag99/aug99-report3.html Don't let anyone panic you into taking shots. Ray Hooks For WLS nutrition info, visit http://www.bariatricsupplementsystem.com Bandas wrote: > > I wanted to switch vitamin brands and found a good one, but it was a little > shorter on B-12 than my last. So I got the salesperson's advice and bought > Methycobalamin B-12 sublinguals. It say take one every 2-3 days, or as > recommended. Each lozenge is 1000 mcg. I wondered if anyone knows if this > is too much for daily consumption. My B-12 labs showed 665 PG/ML (range is > 250-1100) and my doctor seemed pleased, but advised me that the body can > store B-12 for up to 5 years before showing deficient. > > Any free advice? > > in Austin > RNY April 1998 > > Homepage: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Graduate-OSSG > > Unsubscribe: mailto:Graduate-OSSG-unsubscribe > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2002 Report Share Posted May 27, 2002 Well, we can EAT B12 all day long, in foods, in pills, in our mutlis. But since it can't marry up with the intrinsic factor locked away in the lower stomach, it can't be delivered to the absorption stations. In essence. So, it being or not being in your multi is n/a. Some people swear by the sublinguals since they bypass the gut and are absorbed via the mucous membrane. But there's that uneducated part of my mind that says, " So? If it can't mingle with the IF, what good is it? " And yet, people are getting fine labs back for quite awhile on the subs. Personally, neither Don nor I took anything and our B12 levels lasted for 6 yrs at very nice levels. We were watching, thanks to Jan C, so were able to start the shots before the levels fell into a danger zone. We started in the 300's. (Low is 220 or so). Don has been very steady at monthly, I needed twice/month to hold me. We are distal, but it doesn't seem to make any difference for B12. I've seen eensy short proximals crash & burn in 6 months. So, this is a many worded way of saying; GET LABS! READ LABS! COMPARE LABS! If you can hold your mid-600's on the subs, then they work for you. If you are at 659 NOW and start the subs, and the next level is 559, then you're not in trouble, but they are not working. Or not working taken THIS way. My levels started at >2000, and no one said a word. Fell as low as 288, and no one said a word. The 2X/month for a year held me at 500-600 and no one said a word. Continuing at 2X/month put me at >2000 again (now) and no one said a word. Only *I* know what the readings were/are and what I am/was doing to make them fluctuate. EXCEPT that I didn't change a thing and the values zoomed up from 550 or so to >2000 in 6 months. And so, that's why we watch. > > Bandas wrote: > > > > I wanted to switch vitamin brands and found a good one, but it was a little > > shorter on B-12 than my last. So I got the salesperson's advice and bought > > Methycobalamin B-12 sublinguals. It say take one every 2-3 days, or as > > recommended. Each lozenge is 1000 mcg. I wondered if anyone knows if this > > is too much for daily consumption. My B-12 labs showed 665 PG/ML (range is > > 250-1100) and my doctor seemed pleased, but advised me that the body can > > store B-12 for up to 5 years before showing deficient. > > > > Any free advice? > > > > in Austin > > RNY April 1998 > > > > Homepage: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Graduate-OSSG > > > > Unsubscribe: mailto:Graduate-OSSG-unsubscribe > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2002 Report Share Posted May 27, 2002 In a message dated 5/26/2002 5:30:17 PM Pacific Standard Time, jwbry@... writes: > But on further reflection, the sublingual dose goes right into the > bloodstream as well, never makes it to the stomach, acid or no acid. > > hmmmm... > > /johnb > That is why we are told sublingual . . . personallu I love the shots and I just changed tot hem a short while ago! Makes me feel more energetic and fast! )Vicki Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 28, 2002 Report Share Posted May 28, 2002 Marjie, where did you get these? Thanks, in NJ **************************************************************** In a message dated 5/27/02 10:41:21 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Graduate-OSSG writes: << > I was over 1600 pre op. I started on vitamin shoppe sublinguals (that took > like 20 mins to dissolve) and slowly went down to 425. I was watching > closely however and was ready to start shots when I found a product called > No Shot. Hubby is a chiropractor and got info from this company. In 5 > months on their product (dissolves in like 2 seconds) I was back up to 863 > and holding. > > so - my message is that all sublinguals are not created equal. > > Marjie >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2002 Report Share Posted May 29, 2002 My labs are all good, except for iron, and I'm taking an iron supplement. My doc has not suggested b12 in any form, since I'm still " good " and my numbers are staying steady, not declining. BUT, and this is a big BUT, (LOL), I'm feeling really run down. I don't have nearly the stamina I had at this time last year ... I've got my 4th triathlon in two weeks, and I can tell you, I'm way more tired than I was at this point last year. My training is suffering, I have trouble with my runs, and in general I feel run down and just flat tired. I'm taking my iron, all my other supps, and doing my protein (generally two shakes per day...Could be more, I'm sure, but my doc doesn't advise them AT ALL, so I'm already disobeying him...) My question: I think the b12 shots would help, but how would I go about getting a script, since my doc says my numbers are all good?? I can't prove I need 'em, but what else could this be?? I want my energy back!! Any suggestions?? KC B-12 somebody wrote " ..........I'll do what the doc says, and the doc says IM injections. " Amen to all of the other comments attached to this post. I personally am doing injections in spite of what my surgeon says BUT my numbers have risen and stablized since I started them. I am a very proximal RNY but have always done the supplements like a distal,,,,,,,so far so good,,,,,,,drives the nutritionists crazy, makes the surgeons give me " drop dead " stares, but my numbers are good and another amen to the person who also wrote that she is the only person aware of her numbers or him,,,,,as the case may be,,,,,,,,cause this is absolutely true. IF you do not monitor your own labs, educate yourself,,,,,as my pappy used to say " boy,,,,,,,you are crusin for a brusin..... " Dan Slone Surgery 5/2/2000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2002 Report Share Posted May 29, 2002 > My labs are all good, except for iron, and I'm taking an iron supplement. My > doc has not suggested b12 in any form, since I'm still " good " and my numbers > are staying steady, not declining. > > BUT, and this is a big BUT, (LOL), I'm feeling really run down. I don't have > nearly the stamina I had at this time last year ... I've got my 4th > triathlon in two weeks, and I can tell you, I'm way more tired than I was at > this point last year. My training is suffering, I have trouble with my runs, > and in general I feel run down and just flat tired. > > I'm taking my iron, all my other supps, and doing my protein (generally two > shakes per day...Could be more, I'm sure, but my doc doesn't advise them AT > ALL, so I'm already disobeying him...) > > My question: I think the b12 shots would help, but how would I go about > getting a script, since my doc says my numbers are all good?? I can't prove > I need 'em, but what else could this be?? I want my energy back!! Any > suggestions?? > > KC > > B-12 > > > somebody wrote " ..........I'll do what the doc says, and the doc says IM > injections. > " > Amen to all of the other comments attached to this post. I personally am > doing injections in spite of what my surgeon says BUT my numbers have risen > and stablized since I started them. I am a very proximal RNY but have > always > done the supplements like a distal,,,,,,,so far so good,,,,,,,drives the > nutritionists crazy, makes the surgeons give me " drop dead " stares, but my > numbers are good and another amen to the person who also wrote that she is > the only person aware of her numbers or him,,,,,as the case may > be,,,,,,,,cause this is absolutely true. IF you do not monitor your own > labs, educate yourself,,,,,as my pappy used to say " boy,,,,,,,you are crusin > > for a brusin..... " > > Dan Slone > Surgery 5/2/2000 > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 30, 2002 Report Share Posted May 30, 2002 In a message dated 5/29/2002 7:06:58 AM Pacific Standard Time, chrysalis@... writes: > My question: I think the b12 shots would help, but how would I go about > getting a script, since my doc says my numbers are all good?? I can't prove > I need 'em, but what else could this be?? I want my energy back!! Any > suggestions?? > > KC > Tell the doctor what you told us and BEG him to let you try the shots . .. but if he woon't budge, then find a good OTC sublingual B12 and start supplementing it yourself. My Dad is an 82 year old retired physician and he said B12 shots are great as they give the patient a physical as well as psychological step up. His opinion was that it can't hurt, so what is the harm??? My numbers were normal but I feel better with the shots . . .it may be in my head but I am super compliant and actually look forward to them! ) Vicki Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 31, 2002 Report Share Posted May 31, 2002 Amen. I started the sublinguals about a week ago, and I swear I can feel a difference. in Austin RNY April 1998 ----- Original Message ----- > > >> harm??? My numbers were normal but I feel better with the shots . . .it may > be in my head but I am super compliant and actually look forward to them! > ) Vicki > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 31, 2002 Report Share Posted May 31, 2002 In a message dated 5/30/2002 10:10:46 PM Pacific Standard Time, foxtee@... writes: > How often do you get the shots?I get it once a month,but could use it more > often.Pam MacVittie > I do a 1/2 dose 1.2cc 2x per month vs 1cc 1 x per month. I just like to get the charge out of them! ) Vicki Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2003 Report Share Posted July 13, 2003 Dear , B-12 is absolutely essential following weight loss surgery. You can cause irreversible neurological problems for yourself if you become deficient in it. We have problems absorbing the b-12 if it's in pill or capsule form, but you can get it through a shot or you can take it sublingually, under your tongue. You need to see your blood test results every 3 months and follow your trends so you know what you're absorbing and how you're doing. I know I'm absorbing B-12 because my level was 2000 (way too high) when the range should be 700-1100. I had to adjust down the amount I was taking, but you definitely need to take it and you definitely will absorb it by either shots or under your tongue. live each day like it's your last... love like you've never been hurt... Deb in Hazlet, NJ " Debbie Dancer " distal rny September 3, 2002 386/237/160? BMI 60/35/24? -149 -69.5 " Angel to Bill (8/14/03), Debbie (waiting for a date) Ilene (6/26/03), Roy (7/29/03) and Ro Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2003 Report Share Posted July 15, 2003 " I don't know who wrote if you have the open it does no > good because there is absolutely NO difference in the > surgeries between LAP and open, one just leaves a > bigger scar " Not only that but the open requires a longer recuperation time, more time in the hospital, more pain meds, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2003 Report Share Posted July 15, 2003 All normal RNY surgeries require us to take calcium, B12 and multivitamins for the rest of our lives or risk serious medical problems. Other surgeries like DS and band type surgeries have different requirements. D. > I have been reading some previous posts regarding B-12. I'm a little confused. Some say we have to have it and others say if we have had the open RNY, it won't do us any good. > Any accurate info would be appreciated. I'm trying to get everything together that I'm going to need after surgery. > > > Garland, TX > Dr. /July 28th > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------ > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2003 Report Share Posted July 15, 2003 These are some pretty big generalizations. It really does vary by person, especially related to the pain meds. D. > Not only that but the open requires a longer recuperation time, more > time in the hospital, more pain meds, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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