Guest guest Posted November 11, 2001 Report Share Posted November 11, 2001 Kudzu to you! That's great, it's the official 1st and Last Step. L Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2001 Report Share Posted November 11, 2001 Could this mean the end of AA? There's a line in the Big Book somewhere that says "Science may one day find a cure..." or something to that effect. Anyway, I'm not that surprised. While I don't buy into the "disease theory" of alcoholism, sustained excessive use/abuse of alcohol certainly has physiological effects, and it is quite reasonable to belive that a substance exists to counteract these effects. Of course, if there is any truth to the effectiveness of this herb, and if the steppers have their way, it'll get nipped in the bud (pun unintentional) - they'll say "a drug is a drug is a drug" or that you are just tricking yourself or whatever. -----Original Message-----From: McMahon Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2001 11:27 AMTo: 12-step-free Subject: Kudzu Check out this story from my favorite news source. http://www.weeklyworldnews.com/features/scitech_story.cfm?instanceid=12561 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2001 Report Share Posted November 11, 2001 We will simply have to wait and see if any further scientific studies are done. It could be the real deal or it could be placebo. As for the end of AA? no, won't happen. I have sat in many an AA meeting and have heard (and said) that I am so grateful to be an Alcoholic and if there was a cure it wouldn't matter because I love AA so much that I would never leave and because I am spiritual I don't need to drink anymore. Interesting thing about being brainwashed, no matter what comes along to debunk " the truth " , nothing much changes (well, I suppose I shouldn't say that, after 30 years of being a quasi poster child for AA, I walked out and started using my brain for what it was intended for). Does a cure really matter anyways? my point of view right now (and I am sticking to my story) is that there isn't such a thing as alcoholism. We may have alcohol dependency issues at some point in our lives but that doesn't mean that they will haunt us for eternity. I believe that we are capable of stopping drinking through self-empowerment . For some people we are able to deal with our alcohol issues (if they truly even existed before going to the cult) and then resume normal social drinking at a later point (like moi) kisses Tom Boy At 11:57 AM 11/11/01 -0700, you wrote: Could this mean the end of AA? There's a line in the Big Book somewhere that says " Science may one day find a cure... " or something to that effect. Anyway, I'm not that surprised. While I don't buy into the " disease theory " of alcoholism, sustained excessive use/abuse of alcohol certainly has physiological effects, and it is quite reasonable to belive that a substance exists to counteract these effects. Of course, if there is any truth to the effectiveness of this herb, and if the steppers have their way, it'll get nipped in the bud (pun unintentional) - they'll say " a drug is a drug is a drug " or that you are just tricking yourself or whatever. Kudzu Check out this story from my favorite news source. http://www.weeklyworldnews.com/features/scitech_story.cfm?instanceid=12561 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2001 Report Share Posted November 11, 2001 At 11:57 AM 11/11/01 -0700, Mike wrote: Could this mean the end of AA? There's a line in the Big Book somewhere that says " Science may one day find a cure... " or something to that effect. If alcoholism were literally " cured " and everyone with " alcoholism " were given something that stopped their excessive drinking and none of them were sent to AA, many or most AA members would continue to go to meetings as if nothing had happened. After all, as they say, there are those dying ancer patients who wish they only had a deadly disease that could be put into remission just by attending these one-hour meetings a few times a week. > Anyway, I'm not that surprised. While I don't buy into the " disease theory " of alcoholism, sustained excessive use/abuse of alcohol certainly has physiological effects, and it is quite reasonable to belive that a substance exists to counteract these effects. Of course, if there is any truth to the effectiveness of this herb, and if the steppers have their way, it'll get nipped in the bud (pun unintentional) - they'll say " a drug is a drug is a drug " or that you are just tricking yourself or whatever. No matter what happens, AA will continue to be in its own world, much like other fringe religious groups... > Kudzu > > Check out this story from my favorite news source. > > > http://www.weeklyworldnews.com/features/scitech_story.cfm?instanceid=12561 That news source title, " Weekly World News " sounded suspiciously like something I've seen at a grocery checkout, and indeed the front page has some very unique " stories " : http://www.weeklyworldnews.com> ---------- http://listen.to/benbradley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2001 Report Share Posted November 11, 2001 Kudzu Date: 11/11/01 5:34:41 PM Eastern Standard Time I have to admit, I heard a funny talk from and "old-timer" who said whilst he drank, he saw people going into the meeting house and said "But for the grace go I." Isn't that funny! He had a sense of humor, it's not outlawed in AA, just not condoned. I love your posts. L Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2001 Report Share Posted November 11, 2001 Okay, who will be brave enough to go into an AA meeting and bring this up as a topic of discussion? For sure, not me, but it would be extremely interesting. I'm still in the unbrainwashing phase and extremely intimidated by "the Group." Is anyone here still attending AA, I am not, and have stopped attending online meetings as well. I guess that's good. I do get thoughtful every night at the time when my meetings used to meet. I often think with fond memories of my using days (AA) that is. I hope I am getting more in touch with my feelings now, and it's really hard. I hope one day to wake up and not feel afraid. That will be my goal for this week. I'll break a leg here. L Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2001 Report Share Posted November 11, 2001 I have sat in many an AA meeting > and have heard (and said) that I am so grateful to be an Alcoholic and if > there was a cure it wouldn't matter because I love AA so much that I would > never leave and because I am spiritual I don't need to drink anymore. I have also been in meetings where people said the same line of BS. It amazes me how Twelve Steppers think of themselves as 'spiritually superior' because they were once heavy drinkers/druggies who were abusive assholes. Now that they have this Stepper relgion, they now think of themselves as " better " despite how they may have treated others before and after AA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2001 Report Share Posted November 11, 2001 At 11:57 AM 11/11/01 -0700, you wrote: >Could this mean the end of AA? There's a line in the Big Book somewhere >that says " Science may one day find a cure... " or something to that >effect. Anyway, I'm not that surprised. While I don't buy into the > " disease theory " of alcoholism, sustained excessive use/abuse of alcohol >certainly has physiological effects, and it is quite reasonable to belive >that a substance exists to counteract these effects. Of course, if there >is any truth to the effectiveness of this herb, and if the steppers have >their way, it'll get nipped in the bud (pun unintentional) - they'll say > " a drug is a drug is a drug " or that you are just tricking yourself or >whatever. I tried kudzu and it had no observable effect on me. I know someone else, though, who says that it acts on her as a sort of nature's naltrexone -- even if she does drink alcohol, she doesn't enjoy it at all and so there's no point in drinking more. I think it is possible that she simply expects not to enjoy it after taking the kudzu, and so does not. But who can say? Perhaps it actually has some effect on her that it doesn't have on me. H. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2001 Report Share Posted November 11, 2001 It wasn't until I left AA that I realised how " better " I thought I was than " earth people " or how arrogant AA people really are. The other day I was thinking about the slogan " But for the grace of God " and suddenly it dawned on me how very arrogant that statement is. People in AA get to have " God's grace " yet people who aren't in the program don't? I was stunned when I realised that baby! kisses Tom Boy At 08:08 PM 11/11/01 +0000, A.H. wrote: I have also been in meetings where people said the same line of BS. It amazes me how Twelve Steppers think of themselves as 'spiritually superior' because they were once heavy drinkers/druggies who were abusive assholes. Now that they have this Stepper relgion, they now think of themselves as " better " despite how they may have treated others before and after AA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2001 Report Share Posted November 12, 2001 The Jehova Witnesses have predicted the end of the world five times erroneously and their membership has grown fivefold! In a lonely, scared world it's nice to be able to make easy friends because there IS strenght in numbers-the only problem is if you let other's do for you they end up doing to you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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