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This past week I had the unsettling experience of reliving my morbid obesity

in the form of my MO brother-in-law who came to visit. He's 49, weighs nearly

400 pounds, has obvious sleep apnea but won't go for a diagnosis, takes daily

injections of insulin for his diabetes and thinks he is OK because it is

under control. He has bad feet and a bad back, takes meds for cholesterol and

blood pressure, and he suffered 2 heart attacks when he was in his late 30's.

We even share the same first and middle name which is a little scary...We are

both named he spells his middle name Neal and I spell mine Neil. I am

called Bob and he is called Bobby.

Bobby will not consider WLS because he says he can still lose weight on his

own and he is not ready for surgery. I sat next to him and heard his labored

breathing...I watched him trying to get in and out of the car with extreme

difficulty...we had to ask for a table at every restaurant because he would

not fit in a booth...I watched as he could barely walk down the hall of the

house without touching the side walls...I felt the stares of people around us

when we were in public...I listened to his constant complaining about his

health...he is always sick with something...I listened to his negative

attitude about life...he is a very angry, frustrated and at times obnoxious

and unbearable person, and I listened as his mother and other relatives

constantly lectured him about his size and what he ate. This was like

reliving my obesity all over again in a kind of out of body experience. I

could feel the stress and discomfort Bobby felt as he reacted to the fear of

those around him who were really only concerned for his health.

I realized that Bobby was me just 3 and half years ago. It was very

unsettling to realize that this was just how I lived and just how I affected

my family and friends. When I was MO I was also in a very deep state of

denial, just like Bobby. Watching my brother-in-law made me realize how deep

that denial really was. Luckily something clicked and the efforts of my PCP

and Dr. Marcus finally registered and I did what I had to do to save my life.

I tried talking to my brother-in-law about what he needed to do to live but

he would not hear of it. He felt he could still lose weight on his own and he

was not ready to give up his eating style and risk surgery. He used his work

and his inability to be out of work for 4-6 weeks as the main excuse for not

having surgery. I fear that he will never live to make the decision that

could save his life. This is so unfair...he is unfair to his parents who are

still alive and to his sister, my wife, who has already lived through one MO

relationship. I guess I was also so narrowly focused and as selfish when I

was MO. I just hope that something finally clicks in him and he does what is

needed to save his life.

In any event it was an unnerving and disturbing visit, but one that made me

even more sure that I made the right decision to have surgery.

BobA

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Wow Bob,

Hi Im Donna...You post sure rattled me a bit. I never even stopped yet to

concider what it was like through the eyes of someone besides my 412 self

(over a year ago). But, I must say that the things you commented on your

brother-in-law has saying..I sure have said too. I feel for him, Im sure

many know JUST how. I remember kinda accepting the fact that I was big,

sick, misarable in side, disabled, deemed to be in the bondage of fat, I can

go on and on. Scary...huh...but for the grace of God go I.... Sometimes I

wish I can let everyone feel what I feel inside now " after " surgery. Just

to share one minute of the gratitude and hope that surgery has shared with

me.

Donna

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In a message dated 2/2/02 1:17:44 AM Eastern Standard Time,

raltman813@... writes:

> This past week I had the unsettling experience of reliving my morbid obesity

>

It is very unsettling to remember... and even more so to see it in living

color as you have. We tend, once we are post op, to forget our pre-op lives.

I know I have. And your letter, with all its detail, brought it all back to

me.

It really was a truly terrible life. Very little in it to be joyous about.

Lots of pain; inside and out.

What's the oddest to me is that I assume there are others in your family

group who were with you who have challenges to overcome -- perhaps one who

never finished his education, perhaps one who is in a great deal of debt,

perhaps one who seems to have problems forming healthy relationships. I'm

pretty sure you didn't all routinely gang up on him or her to do something

about this horror. But when you are MO, it's as though the world feels it is

their right to " cure you. " Of everything you mentioned this is the thing I

am most happy to not have to cope with anymore. It was awful and even

reading about it has upset me.

se

Baltimore, MD

Open RNY 11/22/99, Dr. Sweet, Reading, PA

http://www.obesityhelp.com/morbidobesity/profile.phtml?N=L951569336 " >http:\

//www.obesityhelp.com/morbidobesity/profile.phtml?N=L951569336

11/22/99 324, BMI 51

12/6/99 301, BMI 47

1/27/00 280, BMI 44

2/22/00 270, BMI 42

3/16/00 262, BMI 41

5/31/00 244, BMI 38 (no longer extremely obese... just plain obese)

7/22/00 224, BMI 35

9/23/00 220, BMI 34 (and still obese)

10/16/00 216, BMI 34

11/7/00 210, BMI 33 (65 pounds from goal!!!)

5/8/01 196, BMI 31 (new goal 157; I am 5'7 " that would give me a BMI of

24.6; 39 pounds to go)

9/13/01 196, BMI 31 (Stuck!)

1/24/02 190, BMI 29.7 (slightly overweight!!)

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In a message dated 02/02/2002 12:17:47 AM Central Standard Time,

raltman813@... writes:

> he

> was not ready to give up his eating style and risk surgery. He used his

> work

>

Have you presented all surgery options to him. Although the BPD/DS would

still be an adjustment, it may not look as restrictive to him down the road.

There are far fewer rules to follow, so he may actually think he could live

with it. Just a thought as there are really only 3 rules to follow with the

BPD/DS: 1. Eat protein first 2. Take your vitamins 3. Have your

bloodwork done routine.y

Although others maximize their weight loss with a few more " rule " (low carb,

etc.) during the weight loss window, just doing the three things above is

almost guartaneed (per Dr. Hess) to get a person out of the morbidly obese

category and keep them out. Other Drs. have called the BPD/DS the " no

brainer " wls.

To read more about it go to www.duodenalswitch.com.

Dawn--far south suburban Chicago, IL area

Dr. Hess, Bowling Green, OH

BPD/DS

4/27/00

www.duodenalswitch.com

267 to 165 5' 4 "

size 22 to size 10

have made size goal

no more high blood pressure, sore feet, or dieting

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Bob

One thing just struck a chord to me - you said he could not afford 4-6 weeks

off for the surgery. I was off barely one week as I had the surgery done

laproscopically. That might well be one of HIS options, which could help

him to consider the surgery. I am assuming you had it done " open " and it

was 4-6 weeks recovery. Just a suggestion which could help sway him to this

decision.

Love

Janelle

Reliving My Obesity

This past week I had the unsettling experience of reliving my morbid obesity

in the form of my MO brother-in-law who came to visit. He's 49, weighs

nearly

400 pounds, has obvious sleep apnea but won't go for a diagnosis, takes

daily

injections of insulin for his diabetes and thinks he is OK because it is

under control. He has bad feet and a bad back, takes meds for cholesterol

and

blood pressure, and he suffered 2 heart attacks when he was in his late

30's.

We even share the same first and middle name which is a little scary...We

are

both named he spells his middle name Neal and I spell mine Neil. I am

called Bob and he is called Bobby.

Bobby will not consider WLS because he says he can still lose weight on his

own and he is not ready for surgery. I sat next to him and heard his labored

breathing...I watched him trying to get in and out of the car with extreme

difficulty...we had to ask for a table at every restaurant because he would

not fit in a booth...I watched as he could barely walk down the hall of the

house without touching the side walls...I felt the stares of people around

us

when we were in public...I listened to his constant complaining about his

health...he is always sick with something...I listened to his negative

attitude about life...he is a very angry, frustrated and at times obnoxious

and unbearable person, and I listened as his mother and other relatives

constantly lectured him about his size and what he ate. This was like

reliving my obesity all over again in a kind of out of body experience. I

could feel the stress and discomfort Bobby felt as he reacted to the fear of

those around him who were really only concerned for his health.

I realized that Bobby was me just 3 and half years ago. It was very

unsettling to realize that this was just how I lived and just how I affected

my family and friends. When I was MO I was also in a very deep state of

denial, just like Bobby. Watching my brother-in-law made me realize how deep

that denial really was. Luckily something clicked and the efforts of my PCP

and Dr. Marcus finally registered and I did what I had to do to save my

life.

I tried talking to my brother-in-law about what he needed to do to live but

he would not hear of it. He felt he could still lose weight on his own and

he

was not ready to give up his eating style and risk surgery. He used his work

and his inability to be out of work for 4-6 weeks as the main excuse for not

having surgery. I fear that he will never live to make the decision that

could save his life. This is so unfair...he is unfair to his parents who are

still alive and to his sister, my wife, who has already lived through one MO

relationship. I guess I was also so narrowly focused and as selfish when I

was MO. I just hope that something finally clicks in him and he does what is

needed to save his life.

In any event it was an unnerving and disturbing visit, but one that made me

even more sure that I made the right decision to have surgery.

BobA

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I found that when I no longer fit into the world and my world started

shrinking and shrinking around me... everything became about ME... I

couldn't focus on anyone but myself... Everyone else was selfish if they

didn't look out for me and my special needs. I couldn't see that until I

lost enough weight that I " fit " again... It has been an amazing road of self

discovery; one that could never have happened without the weight loss...

What a " Catch 22 " !!!

Jen Runyan

Kansas City

Banded by Dr. Rumbaut

Monterrey Mexico

1/11/01

319/207.5/182-210

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This one really struck a chord with me and I feel I must chime in.

I have an MO relative I've posted about before. He's so debilitated by his

obesity, he can't work. He can't breath, his health has gone totally to

pot; his back gives out, knees are gone, high blood pressure, etc., etc. He

has so much difficulty getting around, he just got himself a wheelchair.

Someone posted about selfishness - well, he's into that big-time. Wants

everybody to feel sorry for him and all his woes. Doesn't work, doesn't

keep himself or the house up. Stays home and feels sorry for himself and

survives on some type of disibility benefits and gets bigger and bigger.

I spoke to him recently after not seeing him for awhile. I asked him how he

was doing and he started in with that " well, it's tough " stuff. I'm

ashamed that I find myself getting angry at him. Because there is help.

There IS an answer to this and he knows about it. At some point in your

life you have to reach up and do something for yourself. I mean, this was

such a cool and great person to be around before he got so huge. He was

funny and bright and personable and just one of those people everybody

likes. Now he is just pathetic and seems to want to be that way.

He says he's too unhealthy to survive this surgery but is in the process is

having his knees replaced *when he loses the 50 pounds the surgeon requires

before he will even operate*. Hmmm. He can do the knee surgery but not a

surgery that will literally save his life????

Rant off. I truly hope I didn't offend anyone with this post. But it

really hurts to see someone you care about not care about themselves enough

to fix what is wrong.

Best to all.

Kim

open rny 6/99

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My dh's surgery " brother " 10/95, had a staple line disruption early on. He

was a very large fella, oh so dear & loveable. My doc does not usually

require a wt loss pre-op, but this guy was too high risk, so had to lose

quite a bit before they could do him. He did fine.

When his SLD, he went into a funk, would not discuss it, hear about it, not

with anyone, no way. He lost his loving, adoring wife, broke relations with

his parents who were his greatest cheerleaders, and broke contact with his 4

sons & their families. I have no idea what happened to him when he reached

his original weight as all his family lost contact with him.

Is that heart breaking or WHAT? I can't say how many hours we sat & talked

about SLD and how common it is, how not a " fault " it is, how to be ready,

act quickly, etc. And yet, he decided to take it personally and destroy his

LIFE and those of the ones he loved most.

And he even TASTED freedom for about 3 years......

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RE: reliving my obesity

> This one really struck a chord with me and I feel I must chime in.

>

> I have an MO relative I've posted about before. He's so debilitated by

his

> obesity, he can't work. He can't breath, his health has gone totally to

> pot; his back gives out, knees are gone, high blood pressure, etc., etc.

He

> has so much difficulty getting around, he just got himself a wheelchair.

> Someone posted about selfishness - well, he's into that big-time. Wants

> everybody to feel sorry for him and all his woes. Doesn't work, doesn't

> keep himself or the house up. Stays home and feels sorry for himself and

> survives on some type of disibility benefits and gets bigger and bigger.

>

> I spoke to him recently after not seeing him for awhile. I asked him how

he

> was doing and he started in with that " well, it's tough " stuff. I'm

> ashamed that I find myself getting angry at him. Because there is help.

> There IS an answer to this and he knows about it. At some point in your

> life you have to reach up and do something for yourself. I mean, this

was

> such a cool and great person to be around before he got so huge. He was

> funny and bright and personable and just one of those people everybody

> likes. Now he is just pathetic and seems to want to be that way.

>

> He says he's too unhealthy to survive this surgery but is in the process

is

> having his knees replaced *when he loses the 50 pounds the surgeon

requires

> before he will even operate*. Hmmm. He can do the knee surgery but not a

> surgery that will literally save his life????

>

> Rant off. I truly hope I didn't offend anyone with this post. But it

> really hurts to see someone you care about not care about themselves

enough

> to fix what is wrong.

>

> Best to all.

> Kim

> open rny 6/99

>

>

> Homepage: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Graduate-OSSG

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