Learned helplessness-and how it grows!

[Guest guest]

Learned helplessness is a big key to all this mess,

isn't it. It sure seems to me that I need a lot more

than I did when I got to NA 12 or so years ago- Now I

need the life that they convinced me to give up, plus

deprogramming, plus " healing " (???) for all the

" issues " (most b.s., some major real), and " work " (?!)

on my " self-esteem " (F-you if I ever hear that

expression again!Aaaargh!) now that it's been

determined by " them " (?) that I'm a loser or problmatic

" member " (Yeah, right) of " society " (another laughable

concept).

Kim

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[Guest guest]

Hey Kim,

Ever notice how program people start going to more and more programs?

They start with AA. Then they want to quit smoking so they have to go

to smokers anonymous. And then they are having problems with their

family so they have to go to Alanon. And then they stuffing their

resetntments with food so they gotta march over to OA. That was one

thing that started freaking me out. It seemed that the more you did

the program the less able you were to handle freaking ANYTHING.

Take Care,

kiki

>

> Learned helplessness is a big key to all this mess,

> isn't it. It sure seems to me that I need a lot more

> than I did when I got to NA 12 or so years ago- Now I

> need the life that they convinced me to give up, plus

> deprogramming, plus " healing " (???) for all the

> " issues " (most b.s., some major real), and " work " (?!)

> on my " self-esteem " (F-you if I ever hear that

> expression again!Aaaargh!) now that it's been

> determined by " them " (?) that I'm a loser or problmatic

> " member " (Yeah, right) of " society " (another laughable

> concept).

>

> Kim

>

> __________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

> Hey Kim,

>

> Ever notice how program people start going to more and more

programs?

> They start with AA. Then they want to quit smoking so they have to

go

> to smokers anonymous. And then they are having problems with their

> family so they have to go to Alanon. And then they stuffing their

> resetntments with food so they gotta march over to OA. That was one

> thing that started freaking me out. It seemed that the more you did

> the program the less able you were to handle freaking ANYTHING.

>

Before I even got involved with NA and AA, I went to Smokers'

Anonymous in the San Francisco Bay Area for a very short time when I

wanted to quit smoking back in 1991. I was really wet-behind-the-

ears about these programs so I was shocked when I saw these AA/NAers

in SA. One woman actually forgot which program she was at when it

was her turn to share. She was confused as to identify as an addict,

alcoholic, or smoker. And to think that I willingly got involved

with Narcotics Anonymous and Alcoholics Anonymous the following year

after I moved to Florida. Even in Smoker's Anonymous, there were

those " doom & gloom " stories of what happens if a person does not

work the " program " . Looking back, I guess my indoctrination started

in SA. I had really forgotten about all of that until I read your

post since I did not stay in that fellowship for too long.

http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/aaornatwelvestepcults

[Guest guest]

> on a similar vein.........I have heard people who stop smokong

describe

> themselves as " smober " (or sometimes spelled " sMober " , presumably

to

> explain it further to those who might think it is a mis-print

>

> M.

In the Marin County Smokers' Anonymous, I had heard the term " smoke-

briety " ! I still shake my head thinking how I got wrapped up in AA

and NA even after leaving SA due to the lunatics in that group.

http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/aaornatwelvestepcults

[Guest guest]

on a similar vein.........I have heard people who stop smokong describe

themselves as " smober " (or sometimes spelled " sMober " , presumably to

explain it further to those who might think it is a mis-print

M.

Message: 17

Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 01:18:56 -0000

Subject: Re: Learned helplessness-and how it grows!

Hey Kim,

Ever notice how program people start going to more and more programs?

They start with AA. Then they want to quit smoking so they have to go

to smokers anonymous. And then they are having problems with their

family so they have to go to Alanon. And then they stuffing their

resetntments with food so they gotta march over to OA. That was one

thing that started freaking me out. It seemed that the more you did

the program the less able you were to handle freaking ANYTHING.

Take Care,

[Guest guest]

Lunatics huh? I suppose this will spawnlunatics anonymous? *grin*

camouflage32790 wrote:

>

> > on a similar vein.........I have heard people who stop smokong

> describe

> > themselves as " smober " (or sometimes spelled " sMober " , presumably

> to

> > explain it further to those who might think it is a mis-print

> >

> > M.

>

> In the Marin County Smokers' Anonymous, I had heard the term " smoke-

> briety " ! I still shake my head thinking how I got wrapped up in AA

> and NA even after leaving SA due to the lunatics in that group.

>

>

>

> http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/aaornatwelvestepcults

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 12/17/01 5:02:26 PM Central Standard Time,

kimrh67@... writes:

<< Learned helplessness is a big key to all this mess,

isn't it. >>

Said a mouthful there....