Guest guest Posted December 12, 2001 Report Share Posted December 12, 2001 Good one, Mack! Cheers! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest guest Posted December 12, 2001 Report Share Posted December 12, 2001 They would definitely need the AA archives to do an accurate portrayal of the man. There are a lot of resources there that aren't available elsewhere. Of course they would want to do a biography on him, he was one of the most influential people of the 20th century. It is possible that there are also some legalities that I am not aware of. All I know is that Biography has approached AA about seeking permission to do a biography on several occasions and it has been repeatedly denied because of anonymity issues. Remember I am just a junior cub reporter kisses thomas boy At 04:16 PM 12/12/01 -0500, you wrote: Why would they need AA? There are plenty of books out there about him. There are plenty of people who knew him. The show is about him, not AA, it is a biography of a person, not a cult. Anyway, maybe those organizations can somehow impede the biographical process, but I just wonder how they can, legally. I would be surprised if they even want to do a biography on that guy. Re: " Programming " there must be another reason, he hasnt had anonymity since the day he died. the very next day the papers had his obit as founder of AA, not to mention the movie based on his life. so anonymity reasons dont make any sense. > >i just finished watching a movie about Bill W. It was > >aired here I Denver. The movie is " My name is Bill > >W. " > >They showed how he was compulsively wanting to be > >famous and or rich yet his drunkenness overcame him. > >they also showed how he was disappointed when he > >visited a California AA meeting and nobody recognized > >him. lol yeah right! ultimately, his name should be > >removed from the AA book...I thought he was anonymous? > > What? Nobody can be known but him? > > > >I almost had an AA relapse...the story was very convincing. > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2001 Report Share Posted December 12, 2001 Lol was that a horror movie or what? Re: Re: " Programming " i just finished watching a movie about Bill W. It was aired here I Denver. The movie is " My name is Bill W. " They showed how he was compulsively wanting to be famous and or rich yet his drunkenness overcame him. they also showed how he was disappointed when he visited a California AA meeting and nobody recognized him. lol yeah right! ultimately, his name should be removed from the AA book...I thought he was anonymous? What? Nobody can be known but him? I almost had an AA relapse...the story was very convincing. __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2001 Report Share Posted December 12, 2001 > Lol was that a horror movie or what? > Somewhere online an AA was bragging about $20M? of sales of the Big Book - making it the most widely purchased work of NON-FICTION. lol I guess the alternative was that it would loose... to Harry Potter. Mack Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2001 Report Share Posted December 12, 2001 The bible is another one called non-fiction. I guess if your fiction book sells enough copies it becomes non-fiction. Re: " Programming " > Lol was that a horror movie or what? > Somewhere online an AA was bragging about $20M? of sales of the Big Book - making it the most widely purchased work of NON-FICTION. lol I guess the alternative was that it would loose... to Harry Potter. Mack Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2001 Report Share Posted December 12, 2001 No Ben, I don't think anyone does need the permission of AAWS or GSO, I think it is a myth spread by AAers to make " Bill W " seem important. I think Biography actually goes after people that are household names, and Bill W has a line of a million or so people in front of him. Re: Re: " Programming " At 12:01 PM 12/12/01 -0800, Tomboy wrote: > >I LOVED LOVED LOVED AND LOVED that movie when I was active in AA. I >would sob with joy over how Bill W. had saved my life and how grateful I was to the " fellowship " oh those were the days my friends. As I recall, this was 1990, and it was a " Great Thing " for AA, since so many new people would come to the program and get their lives saved by us. I didn't notice any significant increase in newcomers at meetings. >An interesting note. Biography has wanted to do a piece on Bill W. for years and years but G.S.O and WSAA keep refusing it because of the " anonymity at the level of press, radio and t.v. " issues. So, does anyone really need the 'permission' or cooperation of GSO or AAWS to do a biography of Bill (excuse me, " Bill W. " )? >kisses >Tom Boy > ---------- http://listen.to/benbradley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2001 Report Share Posted December 12, 2001 At 02:02 PM 12/12/01 -0500, you wrote: >Pete, you said, " Ppl may actually be >encouraged to develop the symptoms and give names to their " selves " . " >Same is true for alcoholics, especially young ones. I was recently chatting with someone who had an interesting take on the multiple personality phenomenon (which he said is now usually called Dissociative Identity Disorder). He said that dissociation encompasses a tremendous range of behavior, from daydreaming (getting lost in a fantasy for a few minutes) to the extreme behavior of personality switching (getting completely lost in a fantasy for hours or days, and even acting out its behavior). Apparently one can be diagnosed with DID without actually having other personalities which are so vivid they seem real. It's just a question of spending too much time dissociated from reality, often in inappropriate circumstances. The schoolkid staring out the window is probably just bored out of his gourd and trying to cope, but the person who starts living in his fantasy to the point where he can't even consciously remember his real identity has got a serious problem of some sort. And there's a whole spectrum in between these extremes, of course. Regarded in that manner, it makes a good deal more sense to me. As to why it's so much more common in North America, or at least more commonly diagnosed, I suppose it might have something to do with the popularity of _The_Minds_of__ _Milligan_. A lot of people read that book or saw the movie, and the idea of multiple personalities entered the popular culture. Someone already prone to living in a fantasy world might be more likely to take that extra step if the idea of multiple personalities in one body already exists in the culture. H. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2001 Report Share Posted December 12, 2001 Well you guys, who knows. There are an infinite (not a million, or billion or zillion or google, but infinite) number of personalities out there and everyone possesses at least a million or so (give or take) personalities. The only time it becomes a big deal is when those million or so personalities have emphatically discernible differences, and anyone who is so narrow in scope to be “normal” is just plain boring, IMO. I’m not boring, normal, hen-pecked, insane, pitiful, or dangerous. I do think the US is more conducive to imaginative expression, as malgeo@... writes, more or less, and that those who are more exposed to the imaginary are more inclined to manifest above-average imaginings. Re: Re: " Programming " In a message dated 12/12/01 4:52:13 PM US Mountain Standard Time malgeo@... writes,: As to why it's so much more common in North America, or at least more commonly diagnosed, I suppose it might have something to do with the popularity of _The_Minds_of__ _Milligan_. A lot of people read that book or saw the movie, and the idea of multiple personalities entered the popular culture. Someone already prone to living in a fantasy world might be more likely to take that extra step if the idea of multiple personalities in one body already exists in the culture. Also could be it is just as prevalent in other countries, but not diagnosed. FWIW, my mother has DID, and she has other people, but not to the extent that they take over her life. They have just helped her cope with extreme situations, such as child abuse. She went through some really good counseling, and now she is finally whole. These other people helped her get through a hellish childhood. Myself, I know what it is like to simply " go away " to make the pain stop. This is also dissociative behavior. But I don't have other people. L Phoenix, AZ Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2001 Report Share Posted December 12, 2001 Capecod????? is that you???? kisses Tom Boy At 08:12 PM 12/12/01 -0500, you wrote: God, I love you people! This site is like a dream come true! Ten years ago I couldn't have imagined this and I was vice president of an Austin, TX., computer company. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2001 Report Share Posted December 12, 2001 you are welcome capecod kisses Boy At 09:45 PM 12/12/01 -0500, you wrote: Good one, Mack! Cheers! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2001 Report Share Posted December 12, 2001 you are welcome capecod kisses Boy At 09:45 PM 12/12/01 -0500, you wrote: Good one, Mack! Cheers! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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