bananas & other high carb food

[Guest guest]

I think Gretchen is right that all most newly diagnosed diabetics seem

to want is recipes so they can continue to eat as they always have.

There are plenty of so-called diabetic recipe lists out there and many

many so-called diabetic recipes on the internet for the looking--try

google.

Altho we occasionally have recipes on this list it is NOT a place to

attempt to find ways to circumvent the changes in way of eating that are

necessary to be made in order to achieve tight bg control ie as near

" normal " as possible. That is what this list is for--finding out what

needs to be done & how to do it for the prevention of future

complications of diabetes.

People give up their time & go to a lot of effort to try to direct the

newly diagnosed. I for one have become quite burnt out by having that

effort either ignored or thrown in the face, It seems to me to not to

be worthwhile any longer.

cappie

Greater Boston Area

T-2 10/02 8/05 A1c: 5.1 = 96 mean glu.

50-100 carb diet, walking, Metformin

ALA/EPO, ALC, Vit C, Calc/mag,

low dose Biotin, full spectrum E,

Policosanol, folic acid, B 12

fish oil cap, fresh flax seed, multi vitamin,

Lovastatin 40 mg/coQ10 100mg, Enalapril 10 mg

8/05:138 lbs (highest weight 309)

5' tall /age 67,

cappie@...

[Guest guest]

Cappie, even though I am not perfect yet, I very much appreciate your

sharings. If people have had terrible eating habits for years it is very

hard to change. I am doing pretty good but not as good as I want to. But

people like you and others keep me trying and not giving up hope.

Take care girl.

ml

cappie@... wrote:

>I think Gretchen is right that all most newly diagnosed diabetics seem

>to want is recipes so they can continue to eat as they always have.

>

>There are plenty of so-called diabetic recipe lists out there and many

>many so-called diabetic recipes on the internet for the looking--try

>google.

>

>Altho we occasionally have recipes on this list it is NOT a place to

>attempt to find ways to circumvent the changes in way of eating that are

>necessary to be made in order to achieve tight bg control ie as near

> " normal " as possible. That is what this list is for--finding out what

>needs to be done & how to do it for the prevention of future

>complications of diabetes.

>

>People give up their time & go to a lot of effort to try to direct the

>newly diagnosed. I for one have become quite burnt out by having that

>effort either ignored or thrown in the face, It seems to me to not to

>be worthwhile any longer.

>

>

>cappie

>Greater Boston Area

>T-2 10/02 8/05 A1c: 5.1 = 96 mean glu.

>50-100 carb diet, walking, Metformin

>

>A

>

>

[Guest guest]

On 9 Sep 2005 00:34:21 -0000 " Barb Mandel " writes:

> I know some people count something in proteins, but I do believe that

is only Type I's

> and we are Type II's.

Barb

In 45 years of being type I, I have come across a few type Is, more than

I have found on DM lists and none of the type Is I know in the real

world, including myself count anything in protein. The type Is I know,

including myself count total carbs, do not deduct for fiber and/or sugar

alcohols.

A few make food choices considering the GI and GL but still count total

carbs and that's it. Does this affect their bg control? All of the type

Is I know have the control that they want. Please keep in mind that type

I and type II DM are two different disorders with different treatments

and reactions. It seems from the posts I read that type IIs have a

greater focus on food intake, which might partly have to do with the

weight issues many type IIs have to deal with along with their bg

control. Many of the complications are the same, but not all.

Before Best and Banting discovered animal insulin, type I treatment was

an almost 100% protein diet. Of course this probably led to the kidney

failure that was the usual cause of type I deaths before 1921 but it also

was the major factor that kept type Is alive. As usual, DM (in this case

type I) treatment is a highly individualized thing and for all I know

there might be some type I counting egg yokes and believing it worthwhile

in their trearment but counting protein or some part of protein is not a

usual thing with type Is.

[Guest guest]

Me neither, Sky. I even gave my Kitchen Aide mixer to my daughter.

(She was very pleased to get it!)

I don't keep any of the " forbidden foods " in my house at all. And when

I go to the market I'm super aware of all the high-carb foods that take

up so much shelf space.

Per Susie's Muir's suggestion -- and this really seems to be true --

just cruise the perimeter of the market. That's where you find the fresh

veggies and dairy stuff. Don't even bother with the rest of it. (Well,

I guess if you need cleaning supplies and TP you could venture in...)

Vicki

Re: bananas & other high carb food

> At 10:28 PM 9/8/05, Donna wrote:

>

>>Dear everybody. I am very greatful to you for you carring posts nd

>>your

>>plea to me to forget bananas. I am not going to eat them, but I am

>>invited

>>to a dinner and wanted to bake a banana bread or cake.

>

> put " banana bread " in a google search and you'll find plenty of

> recipes.

> Personally, I wouldn't tempt myself by cooking something like that to

> take

> to a dinner I was attending. LOL. No willpower here. I don't even own

> cake

> pans or loaf pans anymore.

>

> sky

>

[Guest guest]

> Altho we occasionally have recipes on this list it is NOT a place to

> attempt to find ways to circumvent the changes in way of eating that are

> necessary to be made in order to achieve tight bg control ie as near

> " normal " as possible. That is what this list is for--finding out what

> needs to be done & how to do it for the prevention of future

> complications of diabetes.>

Isn't it though? ARen't people all the time saying substitute this for

this, you won't know the difference? I read about faux mashed potatoes, faux

potato salad (and to me, they taste like cauliflower, not potatoes. I like

them, but they aren't potatos, so I don't call them faux anything, just mashed

cauliflower and cauliflower salad). We hear people talk about low carb bread

and low carb milk and how to fool tastebuds into thinking one thing is

another. Sounds like circumventing to me.

Not all of us choose to avoid every white food or starch or sweet food.

Some of us balance things with meds or insulin in order to fully enjoy life. I

do eat watermelon, corn, fruits in season, and I don't feel the need to put

them on my never list. I never cared much about donuts or pastries, so they

aren't missed much, but I do like ice cream, and sometimes that means the real

stuff, not the low carb stuff.

It's been pretty easy to stay away from potatoes, though I have a few fries

now and then, and bread has never been that big an issue for me unless I " m

talking garlic bread. Pasta is the one thing that kills me, and I have planned

excursions with it about once of twice a month.

It's a bit easier with insulin, but not easy. However, I wouldn't give the

insulin up in exchange for a Bernstein like existence as it just isn't worth

it to me.

In the beginning, I was doing a pretty strict Bernstein, and it let me take

control and learn about the disease, but it didn't last, and that's ok.

Stacey

[Guest guest]

Thanks - I am a Type X (diabetes caused by surgical removal of most of my

pancreas) so I really don't fit into any category. I count carbs but that's all

- I don't count fat or protein because I do not put on weight due to

malabsorption and I cannot digest a lot of proteins. Not sure this makes it

easier or more difficult. What I wonder is why my body does not absorb fat at

all, it cannot digest things like a roast or chops or other good stuff like

that, but every single morsle of " white carbs " is digested and counted - grrrr

such are the variations of my digestion.

Barb in NH

----- Original Message -----

From: one stop

Before Best and Banting discovered animal insulin, type I treatment was

an almost 100% protein diet. Of course this probably led to the kidney

failure that was the usual cause of type I deaths before 1921 but it also

was the major factor that kept type Is alive. As usual, DM (in this case

type I) treatment is a highly individualized thing and for all I know

there might be some type I counting egg yokes and believing it worthwhile

in their trearment but counting protein or some part of protein is not a

usual thing with type Is.

[Guest guest]

>However, I wouldn't give the insulin up in exchange for a Bernstein like

existence as it just isn't worth it to me.<

Hi Stacey,

For a while back in '95-'96, I saw Dr. Bernstein himself. I wish I could have

afforded to keep seeing him but I didn't have any health insurance. His

knowledge was bottomless.

However, even *he* didn't find his protocol easy to follow. I remember him

saying, when we were discussing making s-f pudding with water, " I feel so

deprived. "

Hugs, Dianne

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[Guest guest]

>However, I wouldn't give the insulin up in exchange for a Bernstein like

existence as it just isn't worth it to me.<

Hi Stacey,

For a while back in '95-'96, I saw Dr. Bernstein himself. I wish I could have

afforded to keep seeing him but I didn't have any health insurance. His

knowledge was bottomless.

However, even *he* didn't find his protocol easy to follow. I remember him

saying, when we were discussing making s-f pudding with water, " I feel so

deprived. "

Hugs, Dianne

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[Guest guest]

>However, I wouldn't give the insulin up in exchange for a Bernstein like

existence as it just isn't worth it to me.<

Hi Stacey,

For a while back in '95-'96, I saw Dr. Bernstein himself. I wish I could have

afforded to keep seeing him but I didn't have any health insurance. His

knowledge was bottomless.

However, even *he* didn't find his protocol easy to follow. I remember him

saying, when we were discussing making s-f pudding with water, " I feel so

deprived. "

Hugs, Dianne

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