Re: Not losing fast enough (common sense)

[Guest guest]

Kim,

First off, chicken is very high in protein and something we should

be eating. Second, even if all one eats is protein (which is what I

have been doing 99% of the time), it is still VERY difficult to get

in all that is required simply because one can't eat much just

starting out. Third, I think it is MUCH easier to judge others

behaviors when pre-op. When you are post-op, you may come to

understand that it isn't just a matter of " pushing yourself " . Trust

me, I HAVE been pushing myself, like you wouldn't imagine.... Yet,

I've been stuck on a plateau for a week now. It is NOT as easy as

you think.

Caroline

Lap RNY 367/322/150

> Salad, chicken, popcorn.... I don't know what all of you have been

> instructed. I guess you can eat these foods, if you choose.. But

getting your protein in

> is the most important part of being post-op... I don't know about

all of you,

> but I don't want all that excess loose skin, and lose all of my

hair because

> I didn't follow what the dietician instructed me to do.. I know

it's easier

> said than done, but u have to push yourselves.. PROTEIN is VITAL..

And I'm also

> amazed at what some of you are saying.. And then you complain that

you're not

> losing fast enough.. Protein helps you burn fat, and combat flab..

Even if it

> is gross or difficult, you have to push yourselves.. Also, you

don't want to

> lose too fast, or you will have hanging skin. Think about it! This

is what I

> don't want.. Later.

>

> Kim, pre-op 328 lbs.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Sorry but chicken is very good protein and that is exacty what was

told to do. And after the protein if we want to have a bite or 2 of

salad or popcorn there is no problem with that. Its not as easy as

you say " you have to push yourselves.. " . Yes we have to work at it

but its not that easy you will see! And yes you have to follow your

doctors orders bu they are all different.

Pamela

11/19/02

116 lbs gone!!

Miami

>

> > Salad, chicken, popcorn.... I don't know what all of you have

been

> > instructed. I guess you can eat these foods, if you choose.. But

> getting your protein in

> > is the most important part of being post-op... I don't know about

> all of you,

> > but I don't want all that excess loose skin, and lose all of my

> hair because

> > I didn't follow what the dietician instructed me to do.. I know

> it's easier

> > said than done, but u have to push yourselves.. PROTEIN is

VITAL..

> And I'm also

> > amazed at what some of you are saying.. And then you complain

that

> you're not

> > losing fast enough.. Protein helps you burn fat, and combat

flab..

> Even if it

> > is gross or difficult, you have to push yourselves.. Also, you

> don't want to

> > lose too fast, or you will have hanging skin. Think about it!

This

> is what I

> > don't want.. Later.

> >

> > Kim, pre-op 328 lbs.

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Sorry but chicken is very good protein and that is exacty what was

told to do. And after the protein if we want to have a bite or 2 of

salad or popcorn there is no problem with that. Its not as easy as

you say " you have to push yourselves.. " . Yes we have to work at it

but its not that easy you will see! And yes you have to follow your

doctors orders bu they are all different.

Pamela

11/19/02

116 lbs gone!!

Miami

>

> > Salad, chicken, popcorn.... I don't know what all of you have

been

> > instructed. I guess you can eat these foods, if you choose.. But

> getting your protein in

> > is the most important part of being post-op... I don't know about

> all of you,

> > but I don't want all that excess loose skin, and lose all of my

> hair because

> > I didn't follow what the dietician instructed me to do.. I know

> it's easier

> > said than done, but u have to push yourselves.. PROTEIN is

VITAL..

> And I'm also

> > amazed at what some of you are saying.. And then you complain

that

> you're not

> > losing fast enough.. Protein helps you burn fat, and combat

flab..

> Even if it

> > is gross or difficult, you have to push yourselves.. Also, you

> don't want to

> > lose too fast, or you will have hanging skin. Think about it!

This

> is what I

> > don't want.. Later.

> >

> > Kim, pre-op 328 lbs.

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Sorry but chicken is very good protein and that is exacty what was

told to do. And after the protein if we want to have a bite or 2 of

salad or popcorn there is no problem with that. Its not as easy as

you say " you have to push yourselves.. " . Yes we have to work at it

but its not that easy you will see! And yes you have to follow your

doctors orders bu they are all different.

Pamela

11/19/02

116 lbs gone!!

Miami

>

> > Salad, chicken, popcorn.... I don't know what all of you have

been

> > instructed. I guess you can eat these foods, if you choose.. But

> getting your protein in

> > is the most important part of being post-op... I don't know about

> all of you,

> > but I don't want all that excess loose skin, and lose all of my

> hair because

> > I didn't follow what the dietician instructed me to do.. I know

> it's easier

> > said than done, but u have to push yourselves.. PROTEIN is

VITAL..

> And I'm also

> > amazed at what some of you are saying.. And then you complain

that

> you're not

> > losing fast enough.. Protein helps you burn fat, and combat

flab..

> Even if it

> > is gross or difficult, you have to push yourselves.. Also, you

> don't want to

> > lose too fast, or you will have hanging skin. Think about it!

This

> is what I

> > don't want.. Later.

> >

> > Kim, pre-op 328 lbs.

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Caroline, ditto that. Like you, I eat the right things 95% of the time

(I have a real world diet), but I have been on plateaus twice for three

weeks. Plateaus are just a part of weight loss. I used to have the

same problem on conventional diets and it was MEGA discouraging.

Marina (Los Angeles, CA)

post-op 3/12/03

carolineam_cat@... wrote:

>Kim,

>First off, chicken is very high in protein and something we should

>be eating. Second, even if all one eats is protein (which is what I

>have been doing 99% of the time), it is still VERY difficult to get

>in all that is required simply because one can't eat much just

>starting out. Third, I think it is MUCH easier to judge others

>behaviors when pre-op. When you are post-op, you may come to

>understand that it isn't just a matter of " pushing yourself " . Trust

>me, I HAVE been pushing myself, like you wouldn't imagine.... Yet,

>I've been stuck on a plateau for a week now. It is NOT as easy as

>you think.

>Caroline

>Lap RNY 367/322/150

>

>

>

>

>>Salad, chicken, popcorn.... I don't know what all of you have been

>>instructed. I guess you can eat these foods, if you choose.. But

>>

>>

>getting your protein in

>

>

>>is the most important part of being post-op... I don't know about

>>

>>

>all of you,

>

>

>>but I don't want all that excess loose skin, and lose all of my

>>

>>

>hair because

>

>

>>I didn't follow what the dietician instructed me to do.. I know

>>

>>

>it's easier

>

>

>>said than done, but u have to push yourselves.. PROTEIN is VITAL..

>>

>>

>And I'm also

>

>

>>amazed at what some of you are saying.. And then you complain that

>>

>>

>you're not

>

>

>>losing fast enough.. Protein helps you burn fat, and combat flab..

>>

>>

>Even if it

>

>

>>is gross or difficult, you have to push yourselves.. Also, you

>>

>>

>don't want to

>

>

>>lose too fast, or you will have hanging skin. Think about it! This

>>

>>

>is what I

>

>

>>don't want.. Later.

>>

>>Kim, pre-op 328 lbs.

>>

>>

>>

[Guest guest]

Caroline, ditto that. Like you, I eat the right things 95% of the time

(I have a real world diet), but I have been on plateaus twice for three

weeks. Plateaus are just a part of weight loss. I used to have the

same problem on conventional diets and it was MEGA discouraging.

Marina (Los Angeles, CA)

post-op 3/12/03

carolineam_cat@... wrote:

>Kim,

>First off, chicken is very high in protein and something we should

>be eating. Second, even if all one eats is protein (which is what I

>have been doing 99% of the time), it is still VERY difficult to get

>in all that is required simply because one can't eat much just

>starting out. Third, I think it is MUCH easier to judge others

>behaviors when pre-op. When you are post-op, you may come to

>understand that it isn't just a matter of " pushing yourself " . Trust

>me, I HAVE been pushing myself, like you wouldn't imagine.... Yet,

>I've been stuck on a plateau for a week now. It is NOT as easy as

>you think.

>Caroline

>Lap RNY 367/322/150

>

>

>

>

>>Salad, chicken, popcorn.... I don't know what all of you have been

>>instructed. I guess you can eat these foods, if you choose.. But

>>

>>

>getting your protein in

>

>

>>is the most important part of being post-op... I don't know about

>>

>>

>all of you,

>

>

>>but I don't want all that excess loose skin, and lose all of my

>>

>>

>hair because

>

>

>>I didn't follow what the dietician instructed me to do.. I know

>>

>>

>it's easier

>

>

>>said than done, but u have to push yourselves.. PROTEIN is VITAL..

>>

>>

>And I'm also

>

>

>>amazed at what some of you are saying.. And then you complain that

>>

>>

>you're not

>

>

>>losing fast enough.. Protein helps you burn fat, and combat flab..

>>

>>

>Even if it

>

>

>>is gross or difficult, you have to push yourselves.. Also, you

>>

>>

>don't want to

>

>

>>lose too fast, or you will have hanging skin. Think about it! This

>>

>>

>is what I

>

>

>>don't want.. Later.

>>

>>Kim, pre-op 328 lbs.

>>

>>

>>

[Guest guest]

Caroline, ditto that. Like you, I eat the right things 95% of the time

(I have a real world diet), but I have been on plateaus twice for three

weeks. Plateaus are just a part of weight loss. I used to have the

same problem on conventional diets and it was MEGA discouraging.

Marina (Los Angeles, CA)

post-op 3/12/03

carolineam_cat@... wrote:

>Kim,

>First off, chicken is very high in protein and something we should

>be eating. Second, even if all one eats is protein (which is what I

>have been doing 99% of the time), it is still VERY difficult to get

>in all that is required simply because one can't eat much just

>starting out. Third, I think it is MUCH easier to judge others

>behaviors when pre-op. When you are post-op, you may come to

>understand that it isn't just a matter of " pushing yourself " . Trust

>me, I HAVE been pushing myself, like you wouldn't imagine.... Yet,

>I've been stuck on a plateau for a week now. It is NOT as easy as

>you think.

>Caroline

>Lap RNY 367/322/150

>

>

>

>

>>Salad, chicken, popcorn.... I don't know what all of you have been

>>instructed. I guess you can eat these foods, if you choose.. But

>>

>>

>getting your protein in

>

>

>>is the most important part of being post-op... I don't know about

>>

>>

>all of you,

>

>

>>but I don't want all that excess loose skin, and lose all of my

>>

>>

>hair because

>

>

>>I didn't follow what the dietician instructed me to do.. I know

>>

>>

>it's easier

>

>

>>said than done, but u have to push yourselves.. PROTEIN is VITAL..

>>

>>

>And I'm also

>

>

>>amazed at what some of you are saying.. And then you complain that

>>

>>

>you're not

>

>

>>losing fast enough.. Protein helps you burn fat, and combat flab..

>>

>>

>Even if it

>

>

>>is gross or difficult, you have to push yourselves.. Also, you

>>

>>

>don't want to

>

>

>>lose too fast, or you will have hanging skin. Think about it! This

>>

>>

>is what I

>

>

>>don't want.. Later.

>>

>>Kim, pre-op 328 lbs.

>>

>>

>>

[Guest guest]

Look Caroline... No, I don't have all the answers.. And yes, I am pre-op.

But I know what I've learned and what I've been instructed over the 3 years of

researching the surgical methods of wls.. Chicken is dry and sometimes causes

blockage, because you can't immediately wash it down if it gets stuck... I

never said that it wasn't a good source of protein, but it is difficult to

digest.

My doc says you cannot drink anything right away after eating. So of course,

popcorn and chicken are out for me.. I love popcorn.. But what if it gets

stuck? I can't simply just wash it down without going against my surgeon's

orders.

Hey, I love poultry and salad but I've been told to avoid these foods if

possible.. First of all salad is not a good source of protein, and it would

probably be my last resort, unless it was loaded with eggs, ham, and low-fat

cheese.

I said I was shocked.. I'm amazed at what others have been told, and the list

of foods that others eat. It's just my opinion. Not something that has been

published.. So hun, don't get your panties in a twist. It's okay... I just

expressed the way I felt.. And I'm not solely judging anyone.. I think I said it

was easier said than done? Didn't I? But thank you for your input.. Noone wants

to fight.. We come on here for support not debate, but I just hope everyone

follows what their dietician has instructed them to do, and most importantly

what your surgeon strongly recommends. Thanks.

Kim, pre-op

Surgery 7/18/03, open

[Guest guest]

Look Caroline... No, I don't have all the answers.. And yes, I am pre-op.

But I know what I've learned and what I've been instructed over the 3 years of

researching the surgical methods of wls.. Chicken is dry and sometimes causes

blockage, because you can't immediately wash it down if it gets stuck... I

never said that it wasn't a good source of protein, but it is difficult to

digest.

My doc says you cannot drink anything right away after eating. So of course,

popcorn and chicken are out for me.. I love popcorn.. But what if it gets

stuck? I can't simply just wash it down without going against my surgeon's

orders.

Hey, I love poultry and salad but I've been told to avoid these foods if

possible.. First of all salad is not a good source of protein, and it would

probably be my last resort, unless it was loaded with eggs, ham, and low-fat

cheese.

I said I was shocked.. I'm amazed at what others have been told, and the list

of foods that others eat. It's just my opinion. Not something that has been

published.. So hun, don't get your panties in a twist. It's okay... I just

expressed the way I felt.. And I'm not solely judging anyone.. I think I said it

was easier said than done? Didn't I? But thank you for your input.. Noone wants

to fight.. We come on here for support not debate, but I just hope everyone

follows what their dietician has instructed them to do, and most importantly

what your surgeon strongly recommends. Thanks.

Kim, pre-op

Surgery 7/18/03, open

[Guest guest]

Look Caroline... No, I don't have all the answers.. And yes, I am pre-op.

But I know what I've learned and what I've been instructed over the 3 years of

researching the surgical methods of wls.. Chicken is dry and sometimes causes

blockage, because you can't immediately wash it down if it gets stuck... I

never said that it wasn't a good source of protein, but it is difficult to

digest.

My doc says you cannot drink anything right away after eating. So of course,

popcorn and chicken are out for me.. I love popcorn.. But what if it gets

stuck? I can't simply just wash it down without going against my surgeon's

orders.

Hey, I love poultry and salad but I've been told to avoid these foods if

possible.. First of all salad is not a good source of protein, and it would

probably be my last resort, unless it was loaded with eggs, ham, and low-fat

cheese.

I said I was shocked.. I'm amazed at what others have been told, and the list

of foods that others eat. It's just my opinion. Not something that has been

published.. So hun, don't get your panties in a twist. It's okay... I just

expressed the way I felt.. And I'm not solely judging anyone.. I think I said it

was easier said than done? Didn't I? But thank you for your input.. Noone wants

to fight.. We come on here for support not debate, but I just hope everyone

follows what their dietician has instructed them to do, and most importantly

what your surgeon strongly recommends. Thanks.

Kim, pre-op

Surgery 7/18/03, open

[Guest guest]

Hi Kim

You can eat the chicken as long as it is skinless and extremely moist meat

going into your mouth so when you chew it to smithereens it stays very moist.

So marinate the heck out of your poultry and or fish and cook it so the natural

juices remain and enjoy that chicken without choking it down, or use fat free

gravy to moisturize the chicken.

One Love

Lori Anne

pre-op lap rny 8/25/03

[Guest guest]

Hi Kim

You can eat the chicken as long as it is skinless and extremely moist meat

going into your mouth so when you chew it to smithereens it stays very moist.

So marinate the heck out of your poultry and or fish and cook it so the natural

juices remain and enjoy that chicken without choking it down, or use fat free

gravy to moisturize the chicken.

One Love

Lori Anne

pre-op lap rny 8/25/03

[Guest guest]

Hi Kim

You can eat the chicken as long as it is skinless and extremely moist meat

going into your mouth so when you chew it to smithereens it stays very moist.

So marinate the heck out of your poultry and or fish and cook it so the natural

juices remain and enjoy that chicken without choking it down, or use fat free

gravy to moisturize the chicken.

One Love

Lori Anne

pre-op lap rny 8/25/03

[Guest guest]

Lori Anne;

Thanks.. Maybe, I will try to keep more of an open mind towards poultry.. I'd

hate to give it up altogether.. And what you said, does make sense... I'll

try that.. But still, popcorn's out.. lol..

Kim, pre-op, 328 lbs.

[Guest guest]

Caroline,

Hun, I do read alot being pre-op.. I've been researching wls for 3 years..

And I read your e-mail to me.. You make alot of sense.. And ur right, I

shouldn't just assume that you can push yourself, and succeed at everything our

surgeons tell us to do.. Sometimes you may have to bend the rules.. I just don't

want to fail.. I want success so bad, so I'm trying to go by what I've been

instructed in class to do, and by the book. They say if you're doing everything

you're supposed to be doing, weight loss isn't going to be a problem.. If you

however fail to do what you're not supposed to do, you can fail.. You can

stretch

your pouch, become mal-nutritioned/malnourished, lose your hair, lose muscle

tone, etc., or have other difficulties.. But thank you for caring enough to

share your views and give your feedback.. It means alot to me.. You really made

me think. Thanks again.

Kim, pre-op, 328 lbs.

[Guest guest]

Kim,

Yes, you came across as pretty judging in your post. I agree that we

are all here to support each other and thus my reply as not only did

you come across very strong (like you are doing here again), but

your were saying something that to me, as a post-op, just didn't

make sense.

If you ask your dietician, btw, if you can drink if eating something

and it get's " stuck " , I bet you the answer will be yes. The

dieticians tell us no drinking and eating at the same time, NOT

because it is physically impossible, will hurt us or be hard on the

pouch or anything. They say this because drinking washes food out of

the pouch sooner and thus the pouch isn't as effective as a tool in

weight loss. Also, it is harder to get in protein then because the

pouch is full from liquids. But by all means, if something

get's " stuck " , then yes, you can drink something to help it get

unstuck.

And there IS a huge difference in being pre and post-op. The biggest

difference for me is that pre-op, I read A LOT and thought that I

would deal with being post-op one way. It was all " book knowledge " .

But once I became post-op, it is not quite as clear cut and dry as

what we read and experience becomes just as important if not more

so. It's like having a child - I don't have children but I have my

MA in a psych related field and have had tons of training and work

experience with kids. Yet, who am I to tell a parent, " you are

raising your kids wrong " when their kids are out of control in a

public setting? I THINK I have the answers such as " give them

something to focus on and distract them away from trouble " , etc.,

but when it all comes down to it, I don't know what it is like

raising kids. And when it comes time for me to have children, I am

probably going to learn the hard way that sometimes one just has

to " wing it " and do the best they can given the situation as book

knowledge can only go so far.

One VERY real issue that comes up for me is that my doctor requires

that I take 2 Trinsicon (iron, B-12 and intrinsic factor) capsules a

day. Well, I wasn't able to take them and keep them down until I

started drinking hot tea with them. I can now only get 1 down a day

and still with some difficulty. Technically I am not following dr's

orders, but if I followed dr's orders I'd be vomitting 2 more times

a day than necessary. My point is is that it sounds easy

and " common sense " as you say - just follow dr's orders and push

one's self but common sense also says to me that if every time I

take the required capsule, I get sick, this is not a good thing. It

isn't as easy as following orders. Sure wish it was though.

Caroline

And I'm not solely judging anyone.. I think I said

it

was easier said than done? Didn't I? But thank you for your input..

Noone wants

to fight.. We come on here for support not debate, but I just hope

everyone

follows what their dietician has instructed them to do, and most

importantly

what your surgeon strongly recommends.

[Guest guest]

Kim,

Yes, you came across as pretty judging in your post. I agree that we

are all here to support each other and thus my reply as not only did

you come across very strong (like you are doing here again), but

your were saying something that to me, as a post-op, just didn't

make sense.

If you ask your dietician, btw, if you can drink if eating something

and it get's " stuck " , I bet you the answer will be yes. The

dieticians tell us no drinking and eating at the same time, NOT

because it is physically impossible, will hurt us or be hard on the

pouch or anything. They say this because drinking washes food out of

the pouch sooner and thus the pouch isn't as effective as a tool in

weight loss. Also, it is harder to get in protein then because the

pouch is full from liquids. But by all means, if something

get's " stuck " , then yes, you can drink something to help it get

unstuck.

And there IS a huge difference in being pre and post-op. The biggest

difference for me is that pre-op, I read A LOT and thought that I

would deal with being post-op one way. It was all " book knowledge " .

But once I became post-op, it is not quite as clear cut and dry as

what we read and experience becomes just as important if not more

so. It's like having a child - I don't have children but I have my

MA in a psych related field and have had tons of training and work

experience with kids. Yet, who am I to tell a parent, " you are

raising your kids wrong " when their kids are out of control in a

public setting? I THINK I have the answers such as " give them

something to focus on and distract them away from trouble " , etc.,

but when it all comes down to it, I don't know what it is like

raising kids. And when it comes time for me to have children, I am

probably going to learn the hard way that sometimes one just has

to " wing it " and do the best they can given the situation as book

knowledge can only go so far.

One VERY real issue that comes up for me is that my doctor requires

that I take 2 Trinsicon (iron, B-12 and intrinsic factor) capsules a

day. Well, I wasn't able to take them and keep them down until I

started drinking hot tea with them. I can now only get 1 down a day

and still with some difficulty. Technically I am not following dr's

orders, but if I followed dr's orders I'd be vomitting 2 more times

a day than necessary. My point is is that it sounds easy

and " common sense " as you say - just follow dr's orders and push

one's self but common sense also says to me that if every time I

take the required capsule, I get sick, this is not a good thing. It

isn't as easy as following orders. Sure wish it was though.

Caroline

And I'm not solely judging anyone.. I think I said

it

was easier said than done? Didn't I? But thank you for your input..

Noone wants

to fight.. We come on here for support not debate, but I just hope

everyone

follows what their dietician has instructed them to do, and most

importantly

what your surgeon strongly recommends.

[Guest guest]

Hi Lori Anne

I've found that making chicken parmisian also helps

Caroline

> Hi Kim

>

> You can eat the chicken as long as it is skinless and extremely

moist meat

> going into your mouth so when you chew it to smithereens it stays

very moist.

> So marinate the heck out of your poultry and or fish and cook it

so the natural

> juices remain and enjoy that chicken without choking it down, or

use fat free

> gravy to moisturize the chicken.

>

> One Love

>

> Lori Anne

> pre-op lap rny 8/25/03

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Lori Anne

I've found that making chicken parmisian also helps

Caroline

> Hi Kim

>

> You can eat the chicken as long as it is skinless and extremely

moist meat

> going into your mouth so when you chew it to smithereens it stays

very moist.

> So marinate the heck out of your poultry and or fish and cook it

so the natural

> juices remain and enjoy that chicken without choking it down, or

use fat free

> gravy to moisturize the chicken.

>

> One Love

>

> Lori Anne

> pre-op lap rny 8/25/03

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Lori Anne

I've found that making chicken parmisian also helps

Caroline

> Hi Kim

>

> You can eat the chicken as long as it is skinless and extremely

moist meat

> going into your mouth so when you chew it to smithereens it stays

very moist.

> So marinate the heck out of your poultry and or fish and cook it

so the natural

> juices remain and enjoy that chicken without choking it down, or

use fat free

> gravy to moisturize the chicken.

>

> One Love

>

> Lori Anne

> pre-op lap rny 8/25/03

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 7/1/2003 2:15:49 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

carolineam_cat@... writes:

> Hi Lori Anne

> I've found that making chicken parmesan also helps

> Caroline

MMMMMMMMM I Love chicken Parmesan great I will add that to my recipe list too

thanks Caroline

((((((((((Caroline)))))))))

Lori Anne

pre-op lap rny 8/25/03

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 7/1/2003 2:15:49 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

carolineam_cat@... writes:

> Hi Lori Anne

> I've found that making chicken parmesan also helps

> Caroline

MMMMMMMMM I Love chicken Parmesan great I will add that to my recipe list too

thanks Caroline

((((((((((Caroline)))))))))

Lori Anne

pre-op lap rny 8/25/03