Re: Info desperately needed please! - Laxity

[Guest guest]

I was to the point that they were going to do surgery. Thankfully

my OBGYN referred me to a woman who did visceral MFR on me. (Mike

can probably tell you better then I what that is and how it is

done.) Briefly they go in vaginally and released my hip flexors and

it relaxed the pelvic organs. Also she released the urethera and it

rid me of a constant cycle of being cathetered (sp) which would only

retraumatise my pelvic muscles.

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Visceral MFR (myofascial release) is essentially the same thing as

Visceral Manipulation. I won't say " exactly " the same thing because

there are different ways of teaching it. You did a good job of

explaining how it is done, what is involved, and what it achieves.

VMFR is the type of thing that a well trained Osteopath will also

do. Yes, it is an " invasive " procedure. But so is surgery and the

relative risks with VMFR are far, far lower.

Straight VM at the basic levels focuses on working externally.

Again, I have not taken the classes myself yet so I do not know at

what point, if at all, they do any internal work with it. The only

thing I can say here is that Osteopaths would be able to work

internally under their licenses. PT's may or may not be able to

depending on their individual licensing requirements. And

LMP's/LMT's would NEVER be able to legally work internally because

it is clearly outside their scope of practice and in violation of

ethical standards for massage.

That doesn't mean you won't find LMP's/LMT's trained and qualified

to do it, it just means their licenses won't allow it. I have

training in Cranialsacral Therapy for working inside the mouth but I

can't legally (for hire) do that either because it is outside my

scope of practice in the state of Washington. Being outside my

scope of practice, however, would not stop me for even a heart-beat

if I felt it was necessary for any of my family members.

My personal interest in VM is three-fold. My wife suffers from

stress incontinence and I want to know more about it for her for

referral work if necessary. As with Helen's post this morning, I

also think there are applications for others on the Board and I need

to know more in general if I am going to be able to make meaningful

recommendations for people. And third, one of my Jin Shin Do

instructors (a PT herself) has been pushing me for months to take

it. She has become quite adamant and insistent that I need to add

this modality to my toolbox.

[Guest guest]

I was to the point that they were going to do surgery. Thankfully

my OBGYN referred me to a woman who did visceral MFR on me. (Mike

can probably tell you better then I what that is and how it is

done.) Briefly they go in vaginally and released my hip flexors and

it relaxed the pelvic organs. Also she released the urethera and it

rid me of a constant cycle of being cathetered (sp) which would only

retraumatise my pelvic muscles.

-----------------------

Visceral MFR (myofascial release) is essentially the same thing as

Visceral Manipulation. I won't say " exactly " the same thing because

there are different ways of teaching it. You did a good job of

explaining how it is done, what is involved, and what it achieves.

VMFR is the type of thing that a well trained Osteopath will also

do. Yes, it is an " invasive " procedure. But so is surgery and the

relative risks with VMFR are far, far lower.

Straight VM at the basic levels focuses on working externally.

Again, I have not taken the classes myself yet so I do not know at

what point, if at all, they do any internal work with it. The only

thing I can say here is that Osteopaths would be able to work

internally under their licenses. PT's may or may not be able to

depending on their individual licensing requirements. And

LMP's/LMT's would NEVER be able to legally work internally because

it is clearly outside their scope of practice and in violation of

ethical standards for massage.

That doesn't mean you won't find LMP's/LMT's trained and qualified

to do it, it just means their licenses won't allow it. I have

training in Cranialsacral Therapy for working inside the mouth but I

can't legally (for hire) do that either because it is outside my

scope of practice in the state of Washington. Being outside my

scope of practice, however, would not stop me for even a heart-beat

if I felt it was necessary for any of my family members.

My personal interest in VM is three-fold. My wife suffers from

stress incontinence and I want to know more about it for her for

referral work if necessary. As with Helen's post this morning, I

also think there are applications for others on the Board and I need

to know more in general if I am going to be able to make meaningful

recommendations for people. And third, one of my Jin Shin Do

instructors (a PT herself) has been pushing me for months to take

it. She has become quite adamant and insistent that I need to add

this modality to my toolbox.

[Guest guest]

I was to the point that they were going to do surgery. Thankfully

my OBGYN referred me to a woman who did visceral MFR on me. (Mike

can probably tell you better then I what that is and how it is

done.) Briefly they go in vaginally and released my hip flexors and

it relaxed the pelvic organs. Also she released the urethera and it

rid me of a constant cycle of being cathetered (sp) which would only

retraumatise my pelvic muscles.

-----------------------

Visceral MFR (myofascial release) is essentially the same thing as

Visceral Manipulation. I won't say " exactly " the same thing because

there are different ways of teaching it. You did a good job of

explaining how it is done, what is involved, and what it achieves.

VMFR is the type of thing that a well trained Osteopath will also

do. Yes, it is an " invasive " procedure. But so is surgery and the

relative risks with VMFR are far, far lower.

Straight VM at the basic levels focuses on working externally.

Again, I have not taken the classes myself yet so I do not know at

what point, if at all, they do any internal work with it. The only

thing I can say here is that Osteopaths would be able to work

internally under their licenses. PT's may or may not be able to

depending on their individual licensing requirements. And

LMP's/LMT's would NEVER be able to legally work internally because

it is clearly outside their scope of practice and in violation of

ethical standards for massage.

That doesn't mean you won't find LMP's/LMT's trained and qualified

to do it, it just means their licenses won't allow it. I have

training in Cranialsacral Therapy for working inside the mouth but I

can't legally (for hire) do that either because it is outside my

scope of practice in the state of Washington. Being outside my

scope of practice, however, would not stop me for even a heart-beat

if I felt it was necessary for any of my family members.

My personal interest in VM is three-fold. My wife suffers from

stress incontinence and I want to know more about it for her for

referral work if necessary. As with Helen's post this morning, I

also think there are applications for others on the Board and I need

to know more in general if I am going to be able to make meaningful

recommendations for people. And third, one of my Jin Shin Do

instructors (a PT herself) has been pushing me for months to take

it. She has become quite adamant and insistent that I need to add

this modality to my toolbox.