Re: Please help me deprogram my spouse.

[Guest guest]

> My concern is that according to AA members many people have TRAITS

that are

> associated with " alcoholism " . They quickly come to the conclusion

that the

> person is an alcoholic and no matter what the individual feels or

any

> professional feels, they will continue to stick with the label.

> I feel that labelling of any kind can be extremely dangerous.

Especially on

> an email list.

>

Hi Tomboy,

Labels suck...and put ideas into peoples minds.

Who comes up with these labels anyway...

In the last 20 years...how many new ones?

It's utterly f***en ridiculous.

They do more harm then good.

Just my 3 cents worth.

netty

[Guest guest]

> My concern is that according to AA members many people have TRAITS

that are

> associated with " alcoholism " . They quickly come to the conclusion

that the

> person is an alcoholic and no matter what the individual feels or

any

> professional feels, they will continue to stick with the label.

> I feel that labelling of any kind can be extremely dangerous.

Especially on

> an email list.

>

Hi Tomboy,

Labels suck...and put ideas into peoples minds.

Who comes up with these labels anyway...

In the last 20 years...how many new ones?

It's utterly f***en ridiculous.

They do more harm then good.

Just my 3 cents worth.

netty

[Guest guest]

> My concern is that according to AA members many people have TRAITS

that are

> associated with " alcoholism " .

Twelve Steppers will say that " normal " human emotions are a

the " diseased " mind of an alcoholic. I used to believe that nonsense

for the longest time of how my childhood feelings of abandonment and

the emotional fallout of the abuse I suffered as a child was part of

my " disease " . My co-worker, who is still in the " program " , always

uses the term, " ...but I am an ADDICT! " , to excuse why he may feel

self-conscious when he first starts dating a woman and fears that the

new lady may not care for him the way he may for her or to explain

away any other emotion. I have heard other similarities when I was

in the " rooms " of how nervous a person is at a job interview or the

disappointment one feels when being passed over for a promotion or

during financial difficulty. These things are natural feelings for

any person regardless of alcohol or drug use. Some emotions may be

heightened during actual chemical usage but none of these feelings

are part of a " disease " .

http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/aaornatwelvestepcults

[Guest guest]

> My concern is that according to AA members many people have TRAITS

that are

> associated with " alcoholism " .

Twelve Steppers will say that " normal " human emotions are a

the " diseased " mind of an alcoholic. I used to believe that nonsense

for the longest time of how my childhood feelings of abandonment and

the emotional fallout of the abuse I suffered as a child was part of

my " disease " . My co-worker, who is still in the " program " , always

uses the term, " ...but I am an ADDICT! " , to excuse why he may feel

self-conscious when he first starts dating a woman and fears that the

new lady may not care for him the way he may for her or to explain

away any other emotion. I have heard other similarities when I was

in the " rooms " of how nervous a person is at a job interview or the

disappointment one feels when being passed over for a promotion or

during financial difficulty. These things are natural feelings for

any person regardless of alcohol or drug use. Some emotions may be

heightened during actual chemical usage but none of these feelings

are part of a " disease " .

http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/aaornatwelvestepcults