Guest guest Posted December 21, 2001 Report Share Posted December 21, 2001 Alice you said it very well. I couldn't agree more. Happy Holidays to all. Carol Shrinkin' in Philly Open RNY - '99 Raper - U of Penn (Don't let the moniker throw you. He's terrific!) 5' 6'' 300lbs plastics ''00 (arms and TT) Mirabile - Montgomery Hospital (Excellent plastic surgeon!) As a therapist going through this process I was appalled by the widespread lack of good aftercare for the emotional side of this operation. I have begun piloting a special behavioral therapy program to help people maximize their outcomes from WLS and improve their long term stability and maintenance. Someday I hope a program like this will be available to anyone who needs additional support. You can check it out on www.myselfdesign.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 21, 2001 Report Share Posted December 21, 2001 Alice you said it very well. I couldn't agree more. Happy Holidays to all. Carol Shrinkin' in Philly Open RNY - '99 Raper - U of Penn (Don't let the moniker throw you. He's terrific!) 5' 6'' 300lbs plastics ''00 (arms and TT) Mirabile - Montgomery Hospital (Excellent plastic surgeon!) As a therapist going through this process I was appalled by the widespread lack of good aftercare for the emotional side of this operation. I have begun piloting a special behavioral therapy program to help people maximize their outcomes from WLS and improve their long term stability and maintenance. Someday I hope a program like this will be available to anyone who needs additional support. You can check it out on www.myselfdesign.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 21, 2001 Report Share Posted December 21, 2001 Alice you said it very well. I couldn't agree more. Happy Holidays to all. Carol Shrinkin' in Philly Open RNY - '99 Raper - U of Penn (Don't let the moniker throw you. He's terrific!) 5' 6'' 300lbs plastics ''00 (arms and TT) Mirabile - Montgomery Hospital (Excellent plastic surgeon!) As a therapist going through this process I was appalled by the widespread lack of good aftercare for the emotional side of this operation. I have begun piloting a special behavioral therapy program to help people maximize their outcomes from WLS and improve their long term stability and maintenance. Someday I hope a program like this will be available to anyone who needs additional support. You can check it out on www.myselfdesign.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 21, 2001 Report Share Posted December 21, 2001 When we started this thread about past diets, I thought it was funny. It was, in a little way. We have all done some silly diets out of desperation, and have paid the price. But the more I have read in the last few days, the more pain I can feel for all that we went through. The struggles we had....the parents who were terrified that we were going to be fat, and out of the normal range....as if we were aliens, not just people in different bodies. Sigh. I just read Vicki's post about the fat camp. I read over and over about other people being given dangerous drugs and injections in the name of normalcy. How sad for us. Our parents were not being harsh, nor cruel. They were buying into the belief that fat is terrible. Is it any wonder that there is a national group for the acceptance of fat? It is a necessary thing. We have been programmed since infancy to think that being overweight - or even the appearance of being overweight ( " I had a round face, " Vicki said) so panicked our guardians that they were willing to do whatever it took, including alienating our affections, to make us more like every other kid. And we grew up - and out- believing that we were " less than " because somehow, it was all our fault. We were unable to be what everyone else could be, thin. And now that we have this remarkable tool, and doctors are acknowledging that obesity is a disease, are we feeling validated? Mostly, not. We obsess that we are not better yet. Thinner, less flabby, no batwings, no pannus, no jowls. We worry that the next date will be repulsed by how we look. We fret over scars, we fight to get the plastic reconstructions. And in the back of our heads is that tape playing.....not good enough. It's so not funny anymore. I am relieved that I am no longer morbidly obese, but I still feel such deep sorrow for those of us who went through many years of hell as we fought our own bodies in the futile attempt to become something other than what we were. So as this holiday season reaches it's apex, I want to wish for all of you, and myself included, this: May your life be filled with love, with peace, with acceptance for yourself, from yourself. May you find love, and if you already have it, may it be satisfying and full. May you find acceptance with where you are now, and with where you are going. May each day of the new year find you happier, more content, and richer in blessings than the day before. Merry Christmas Alice in NY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 21, 2001 Report Share Posted December 21, 2001 Thanks, Alice. Wishing the same to you and all on the list. Happy Chanuka, Merry Christmas, Merry Kwanza and all others I'm not so familiar with. Have a wonderful holiday season. judy in Austin > May your life be filled with love, with peace, with > acceptance for yourself, from yourself. May you > find love, and if you already have it, may it be > satisfying and full. May you find acceptance with > where you are now, and with where you are going. > May each day of the new year find you happier, more > content, and richer in blessings than the day > before. > > Merry Christmas > Alice in NY > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > Homepage: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Graduate-OSSG > > Unsubscribe: > mailto:Graduate-OSSG-unsubscribe > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 21, 2001 Report Share Posted December 21, 2001 Thanks, Alice. Wishing the same to you and all on the list. Happy Chanuka, Merry Christmas, Merry Kwanza and all others I'm not so familiar with. Have a wonderful holiday season. judy in Austin > May your life be filled with love, with peace, with > acceptance for yourself, from yourself. May you > find love, and if you already have it, may it be > satisfying and full. May you find acceptance with > where you are now, and with where you are going. > May each day of the new year find you happier, more > content, and richer in blessings than the day > before. > > Merry Christmas > Alice in NY > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > Homepage: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Graduate-OSSG > > Unsubscribe: > mailto:Graduate-OSSG-unsubscribe > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 21, 2001 Report Share Posted December 21, 2001 Thanks, Alice. Wishing the same to you and all on the list. Happy Chanuka, Merry Christmas, Merry Kwanza and all others I'm not so familiar with. Have a wonderful holiday season. judy in Austin > May your life be filled with love, with peace, with > acceptance for yourself, from yourself. May you > find love, and if you already have it, may it be > satisfying and full. May you find acceptance with > where you are now, and with where you are going. > May each day of the new year find you happier, more > content, and richer in blessings than the day > before. > > Merry Christmas > Alice in NY > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > Homepage: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Graduate-OSSG > > Unsubscribe: > mailto:Graduate-OSSG-unsubscribe > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 21, 2001 Report Share Posted December 21, 2001 Thank you! You have put into words exactly what I've been thinking as I read these " old diet " posts. We all suffered long before our health began to decline...in fact, I believe the emotional pain of being unacceptable far exceeds the physical pain of being overweight. Being a chubby child was the worst possible thing I could have been, and as a teenager, I think my parents would have accepted drug addiction, alcohol abuse or pregnancy easier than they did my being fat. They said they loved me, yet they were constantly trying to change me. Why? So they could love me more? For the first time in my life, I'm very close to looking on the outside the way I feel on the inside, but it's a constant battle to see how far I've come and not how far I have to go. 5/7/99 - 458 lbs. Current Weight - 250 lbs. http://hometown.aol.com/lauralee5799/index.html I'm preparing for extended abdominoplasty (including flank excision) and mastopexy. Initial consult with PS scheduled for January 3, 2002. --------------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 21, 2001 Report Share Posted December 21, 2001 Thank you! You have put into words exactly what I've been thinking as I read these " old diet " posts. We all suffered long before our health began to decline...in fact, I believe the emotional pain of being unacceptable far exceeds the physical pain of being overweight. Being a chubby child was the worst possible thing I could have been, and as a teenager, I think my parents would have accepted drug addiction, alcohol abuse or pregnancy easier than they did my being fat. They said they loved me, yet they were constantly trying to change me. Why? So they could love me more? For the first time in my life, I'm very close to looking on the outside the way I feel on the inside, but it's a constant battle to see how far I've come and not how far I have to go. 5/7/99 - 458 lbs. Current Weight - 250 lbs. http://hometown.aol.com/lauralee5799/index.html I'm preparing for extended abdominoplasty (including flank excision) and mastopexy. Initial consult with PS scheduled for January 3, 2002. --------------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 21, 2001 Report Share Posted December 21, 2001 Thank you! You have put into words exactly what I've been thinking as I read these " old diet " posts. We all suffered long before our health began to decline...in fact, I believe the emotional pain of being unacceptable far exceeds the physical pain of being overweight. Being a chubby child was the worst possible thing I could have been, and as a teenager, I think my parents would have accepted drug addiction, alcohol abuse or pregnancy easier than they did my being fat. They said they loved me, yet they were constantly trying to change me. Why? So they could love me more? For the first time in my life, I'm very close to looking on the outside the way I feel on the inside, but it's a constant battle to see how far I've come and not how far I have to go. 5/7/99 - 458 lbs. Current Weight - 250 lbs. http://hometown.aol.com/lauralee5799/index.html I'm preparing for extended abdominoplasty (including flank excision) and mastopexy. Initial consult with PS scheduled for January 3, 2002. --------------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 21, 2001 Report Share Posted December 21, 2001 Yes, you hit it right on the head........still not " good enough. " And not just physically, but in every cell of our being......not good enough. Not good enough as a wife. Not good enough as a mother. Not good enough as an employee. Not good enough as a friend. Not good enough as a Christian. Not good enough at cooking, housecleaning, driving, shopping, (add you own here)......just not ever good enough. And now there isn't food to fall back on, nor is there the fat to blame. Now we REALLY feel that somewhere deep inside, we just aren't ever going to be " good enough " . How do we ever get that tape to stop? ----- Original Message ----- From: Grillo Alice in NY ....... we grew up - and out- believing that we were " less than " because somehow, it was all our fault. We were unable to be what everyone else could be, thin. And now that we have this remarkable tool, and doctors are acknowledging that obesity is a disease, are we feeling validated? Mostly, not. We obsess that we are not better yet. Thinner, less flabby, no batwings, no pannus, no jowls. We worry that the next date will be repulsed by how we look. We fret over scars, we fight to get the plastic reconstructions. And in the back of our heads is that tape playing.....not good enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 21, 2001 Report Share Posted December 21, 2001 Yes, you hit it right on the head........still not " good enough. " And not just physically, but in every cell of our being......not good enough. Not good enough as a wife. Not good enough as a mother. Not good enough as an employee. Not good enough as a friend. Not good enough as a Christian. Not good enough at cooking, housecleaning, driving, shopping, (add you own here)......just not ever good enough. And now there isn't food to fall back on, nor is there the fat to blame. Now we REALLY feel that somewhere deep inside, we just aren't ever going to be " good enough " . How do we ever get that tape to stop? ----- Original Message ----- From: Grillo Alice in NY ....... we grew up - and out- believing that we were " less than " because somehow, it was all our fault. We were unable to be what everyone else could be, thin. And now that we have this remarkable tool, and doctors are acknowledging that obesity is a disease, are we feeling validated? Mostly, not. We obsess that we are not better yet. Thinner, less flabby, no batwings, no pannus, no jowls. We worry that the next date will be repulsed by how we look. We fret over scars, we fight to get the plastic reconstructions. And in the back of our heads is that tape playing.....not good enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 21, 2001 Report Share Posted December 21, 2001 We have to erase our childhoods, never have seen TV or any advertising. Much of that is culturally ingrained. Going through some old 60's magazines when my mom died was REALLY enlightening for me. We were recently discussing never feeling sexy for our mates, and that sensation that even though I had a TT, now I need new boobs. Got 'em, so now I need new butt. Got it, so now my thighs aren't right & neither are my arms. Got 'em, so now I need my face & eyes done. Got 'em, OK, so now I need skin treatments. Got it, so now, you know that tummy isn't so flat, so I will redo, and now the butt fell down and so on & so on & so on. At some point, normal aging takes place and we just have to go with the flow. I personally didn't get huge arms & legs while full size. I got a HUGE belly, but did some plastics. I find myself critiquing what I didn't do, as well as what I did. It's never gonna be right and it drives my husband completely around the bend. I struggle to let go of that whole thing, because I just don't need it on top of not being a good enough, wife, mother, g-ma, employer, etc., etc & more etc. Thanks, www.vitalady.com For info on PayPal, click this link: https://secure.paypal.com/affil/pal=vitalady%40bigfoot.com Re: the pain of obesity > Yes, you hit it right on the head........still not " good enough. " And not just physically, but in every cell of our being......not good enough. Not good enough as a wife. Not good enough as a mother. Not good enough as an employee. Not good enough as a friend. Not good enough as a Christian. Not good enough at cooking, housecleaning, driving, shopping, (add you own here)......just not ever good enough. And now there isn't food to fall back on, nor is there the fat to blame. Now we REALLY feel that somewhere deep inside, we just aren't ever going to be " good enough " . How do we ever get that tape to stop? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Grillo Alice in NY > ...... we grew up - and out- believing that we were " less than " because somehow, it was all our fault. We were unable to be what everyone else could be, thin. > And now that we have this remarkable tool, and doctors are acknowledging that obesity is a disease, are we feeling validated? Mostly, not. We obsess that we are not better yet. Thinner, less flabby, no batwings, no pannus, no jowls. We worry that the next date will be repulsed by how we look. We fret over scars, we fight to get the plastic reconstructions. And in the back of our heads is that tape playing.....not good enough. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 21, 2001 Report Share Posted December 21, 2001 We have to erase our childhoods, never have seen TV or any advertising. Much of that is culturally ingrained. Going through some old 60's magazines when my mom died was REALLY enlightening for me. We were recently discussing never feeling sexy for our mates, and that sensation that even though I had a TT, now I need new boobs. Got 'em, so now I need new butt. Got it, so now my thighs aren't right & neither are my arms. Got 'em, so now I need my face & eyes done. Got 'em, OK, so now I need skin treatments. Got it, so now, you know that tummy isn't so flat, so I will redo, and now the butt fell down and so on & so on & so on. At some point, normal aging takes place and we just have to go with the flow. I personally didn't get huge arms & legs while full size. I got a HUGE belly, but did some plastics. I find myself critiquing what I didn't do, as well as what I did. It's never gonna be right and it drives my husband completely around the bend. I struggle to let go of that whole thing, because I just don't need it on top of not being a good enough, wife, mother, g-ma, employer, etc., etc & more etc. Thanks, www.vitalady.com For info on PayPal, click this link: https://secure.paypal.com/affil/pal=vitalady%40bigfoot.com Re: the pain of obesity > Yes, you hit it right on the head........still not " good enough. " And not just physically, but in every cell of our being......not good enough. Not good enough as a wife. Not good enough as a mother. Not good enough as an employee. Not good enough as a friend. Not good enough as a Christian. Not good enough at cooking, housecleaning, driving, shopping, (add you own here)......just not ever good enough. And now there isn't food to fall back on, nor is there the fat to blame. Now we REALLY feel that somewhere deep inside, we just aren't ever going to be " good enough " . How do we ever get that tape to stop? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Grillo Alice in NY > ...... we grew up - and out- believing that we were " less than " because somehow, it was all our fault. We were unable to be what everyone else could be, thin. > And now that we have this remarkable tool, and doctors are acknowledging that obesity is a disease, are we feeling validated? Mostly, not. We obsess that we are not better yet. Thinner, less flabby, no batwings, no pannus, no jowls. We worry that the next date will be repulsed by how we look. We fret over scars, we fight to get the plastic reconstructions. And in the back of our heads is that tape playing.....not good enough. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 21, 2001 Report Share Posted December 21, 2001 We have to erase our childhoods, never have seen TV or any advertising. Much of that is culturally ingrained. Going through some old 60's magazines when my mom died was REALLY enlightening for me. We were recently discussing never feeling sexy for our mates, and that sensation that even though I had a TT, now I need new boobs. Got 'em, so now I need new butt. Got it, so now my thighs aren't right & neither are my arms. Got 'em, so now I need my face & eyes done. Got 'em, OK, so now I need skin treatments. Got it, so now, you know that tummy isn't so flat, so I will redo, and now the butt fell down and so on & so on & so on. At some point, normal aging takes place and we just have to go with the flow. I personally didn't get huge arms & legs while full size. I got a HUGE belly, but did some plastics. I find myself critiquing what I didn't do, as well as what I did. It's never gonna be right and it drives my husband completely around the bend. I struggle to let go of that whole thing, because I just don't need it on top of not being a good enough, wife, mother, g-ma, employer, etc., etc & more etc. Thanks, www.vitalady.com For info on PayPal, click this link: https://secure.paypal.com/affil/pal=vitalady%40bigfoot.com Re: the pain of obesity > Yes, you hit it right on the head........still not " good enough. " And not just physically, but in every cell of our being......not good enough. Not good enough as a wife. Not good enough as a mother. Not good enough as an employee. Not good enough as a friend. Not good enough as a Christian. Not good enough at cooking, housecleaning, driving, shopping, (add you own here)......just not ever good enough. And now there isn't food to fall back on, nor is there the fat to blame. Now we REALLY feel that somewhere deep inside, we just aren't ever going to be " good enough " . How do we ever get that tape to stop? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Grillo Alice in NY > ...... we grew up - and out- believing that we were " less than " because somehow, it was all our fault. We were unable to be what everyone else could be, thin. > And now that we have this remarkable tool, and doctors are acknowledging that obesity is a disease, are we feeling validated? Mostly, not. We obsess that we are not better yet. Thinner, less flabby, no batwings, no pannus, no jowls. We worry that the next date will be repulsed by how we look. We fret over scars, we fight to get the plastic reconstructions. And in the back of our heads is that tape playing.....not good enough. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 22, 2001 Report Share Posted December 22, 2001 wrote: Wow....that's an awful LOT of " not good enough " for one person to be living with! Surely you don't really believe this about yourself??? I don't think I could face life everyday under such a cloud. I'm really kind of floored at reading the amount of self-loathing that many of you are subjecting yourselves to. You know, I've found that when you let that go a whole new world opens up. I swear it takes TONS more energy to beat yourself up than it does to just get it over with and accept that you are a worthy person. And then you free up all that energy for much more productive things! I'm sorry if I sound like I'm making light of this, but I really did just make the conscious decision to " LET IT GO! " . It hurt too much to keep beating myself up....I've had all of that I can stand for one lifetime...ENOUGH IS ENOUGH! I hear you! Ive been reading the posts too. And I cant say that they are per say, " believable thoughts " . I can relate to alot of the " negative messages " that I happen to have given myself at one time or another. Alot of my life I struggled with trying to make new tapes in my mind so I dont beat myself up. But just like food and over eating, I sometimes tend to over do my mind with negative messages. It seems that somewhere in my life I was programed with these type of messages. So just hearing others experiences, keeps it green in my mind, that Im not alone. Which somethimes " my thinking " tricks me into thinking I am.LOL Happy Holidays to all! DonnaO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 22, 2001 Report Share Posted December 22, 2001 wrote: Wow....that's an awful LOT of " not good enough " for one person to be living with! Surely you don't really believe this about yourself??? I don't think I could face life everyday under such a cloud. I'm really kind of floored at reading the amount of self-loathing that many of you are subjecting yourselves to. You know, I've found that when you let that go a whole new world opens up. I swear it takes TONS more energy to beat yourself up than it does to just get it over with and accept that you are a worthy person. And then you free up all that energy for much more productive things! I'm sorry if I sound like I'm making light of this, but I really did just make the conscious decision to " LET IT GO! " . It hurt too much to keep beating myself up....I've had all of that I can stand for one lifetime...ENOUGH IS ENOUGH! I hear you! Ive been reading the posts too. And I cant say that they are per say, " believable thoughts " . I can relate to alot of the " negative messages " that I happen to have given myself at one time or another. Alot of my life I struggled with trying to make new tapes in my mind so I dont beat myself up. But just like food and over eating, I sometimes tend to over do my mind with negative messages. It seems that somewhere in my life I was programed with these type of messages. So just hearing others experiences, keeps it green in my mind, that Im not alone. Which somethimes " my thinking " tricks me into thinking I am.LOL Happy Holidays to all! DonnaO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 22, 2001 Report Share Posted December 22, 2001 wrote: Wow....that's an awful LOT of " not good enough " for one person to be living with! Surely you don't really believe this about yourself??? I don't think I could face life everyday under such a cloud. I'm really kind of floored at reading the amount of self-loathing that many of you are subjecting yourselves to. You know, I've found that when you let that go a whole new world opens up. I swear it takes TONS more energy to beat yourself up than it does to just get it over with and accept that you are a worthy person. And then you free up all that energy for much more productive things! I'm sorry if I sound like I'm making light of this, but I really did just make the conscious decision to " LET IT GO! " . It hurt too much to keep beating myself up....I've had all of that I can stand for one lifetime...ENOUGH IS ENOUGH! I hear you! Ive been reading the posts too. And I cant say that they are per say, " believable thoughts " . I can relate to alot of the " negative messages " that I happen to have given myself at one time or another. Alot of my life I struggled with trying to make new tapes in my mind so I dont beat myself up. But just like food and over eating, I sometimes tend to over do my mind with negative messages. It seems that somewhere in my life I was programed with these type of messages. So just hearing others experiences, keeps it green in my mind, that Im not alone. Which somethimes " my thinking " tricks me into thinking I am.LOL Happy Holidays to all! DonnaO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 22, 2001 Report Share Posted December 22, 2001 So, no matter what we do, we're not gonna be satisfied, it's ingrained in us... I can not afford to fix all the damage, not sure if just getting tummy done is gonna do it for me cuz of the ugly upper thighs that are partially hidden from my sight, not sure which I, yes I'll use the actual word that came to me " hate " worse... that is so sad for me to know... i thought i had gotten beyond that word, we have to not hate our bodies but accept them as they are, in fact, love them as they are!! gads theres loads of work to be done.. i think its harder to " fix " the mind than the physical attributes which is just the manifestation or symptom, but until we do, the body will never be acceptible. God bless us everyone, I am so blessed to be thinner and able to live more normally, dont think there is such a thing as looking normal, not to us anyway. My " thin freak - fat hater " friends and family tell me I NEED to have my tummy done so I'll feel better about myself romantically, not sure that's possible. That trunkoplasty doc in Kansas quoted me 35k on my first surgery and told me he'd need to do 3 procedures to fix my tummy, thighs and legs and end up cutting down the calves to lift them once he did lyposuction to reduce the accumulation of fat there. I've lost from the top down and the calves are still hording a lot of fat. I will not have my legs done. meanwhile, my boobs and arms are pretty flabby too. I could get those legs down if i could run, i am so tempted, but my knees and toe joints are so damaged i'm affraid to. I am depressed about this. hugzzz flo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 22, 2001 Report Share Posted December 22, 2001 So, no matter what we do, we're not gonna be satisfied, it's ingrained in us... I can not afford to fix all the damage, not sure if just getting tummy done is gonna do it for me cuz of the ugly upper thighs that are partially hidden from my sight, not sure which I, yes I'll use the actual word that came to me " hate " worse... that is so sad for me to know... i thought i had gotten beyond that word, we have to not hate our bodies but accept them as they are, in fact, love them as they are!! gads theres loads of work to be done.. i think its harder to " fix " the mind than the physical attributes which is just the manifestation or symptom, but until we do, the body will never be acceptible. God bless us everyone, I am so blessed to be thinner and able to live more normally, dont think there is such a thing as looking normal, not to us anyway. My " thin freak - fat hater " friends and family tell me I NEED to have my tummy done so I'll feel better about myself romantically, not sure that's possible. That trunkoplasty doc in Kansas quoted me 35k on my first surgery and told me he'd need to do 3 procedures to fix my tummy, thighs and legs and end up cutting down the calves to lift them once he did lyposuction to reduce the accumulation of fat there. I've lost from the top down and the calves are still hording a lot of fat. I will not have my legs done. meanwhile, my boobs and arms are pretty flabby too. I could get those legs down if i could run, i am so tempted, but my knees and toe joints are so damaged i'm affraid to. I am depressed about this. hugzzz flo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 22, 2001 Report Share Posted December 22, 2001 So, no matter what we do, we're not gonna be satisfied, it's ingrained in us... I can not afford to fix all the damage, not sure if just getting tummy done is gonna do it for me cuz of the ugly upper thighs that are partially hidden from my sight, not sure which I, yes I'll use the actual word that came to me " hate " worse... that is so sad for me to know... i thought i had gotten beyond that word, we have to not hate our bodies but accept them as they are, in fact, love them as they are!! gads theres loads of work to be done.. i think its harder to " fix " the mind than the physical attributes which is just the manifestation or symptom, but until we do, the body will never be acceptible. God bless us everyone, I am so blessed to be thinner and able to live more normally, dont think there is such a thing as looking normal, not to us anyway. My " thin freak - fat hater " friends and family tell me I NEED to have my tummy done so I'll feel better about myself romantically, not sure that's possible. That trunkoplasty doc in Kansas quoted me 35k on my first surgery and told me he'd need to do 3 procedures to fix my tummy, thighs and legs and end up cutting down the calves to lift them once he did lyposuction to reduce the accumulation of fat there. I've lost from the top down and the calves are still hording a lot of fat. I will not have my legs done. meanwhile, my boobs and arms are pretty flabby too. I could get those legs down if i could run, i am so tempted, but my knees and toe joints are so damaged i'm affraid to. I am depressed about this. hugzzz flo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 22, 2001 Report Share Posted December 22, 2001 It's almost like we somehow take over where the others left off, a trained response. thanks, hugzzz flo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 22, 2001 Report Share Posted December 22, 2001 It's almost like we somehow take over where the others left off, a trained response. thanks, hugzzz flo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 22, 2001 Report Share Posted December 22, 2001 It's almost like we somehow take over where the others left off, a trained response. thanks, hugzzz flo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 22, 2001 Report Share Posted December 22, 2001 < > Wow....that's an awful LOT of " not good enough " for one person to be living with! Surely you don't really believe this about yourself??? I don't think I could face life everyday under such a cloud. I'm really kind of floored at reading the amount of self-loathing that many of you are subjecting yourselves to. You know, I've found that when you let that go a whole new world opens up. I swear it takes TONS more energy to beat yourself up than it does to just get it over with and accept that you are a worthy person. And then you free up all that energy for much more productive things! I'm sorry if I sound like I'm making light of this, but I really did just make the conscious decision to " LET IT GO! " . It hurt too much to keep beating myself up....I've had all of that I can stand for one lifetime...ENOUGH IS ENOUGH! A. in Indy _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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