I am not diabetic....but.....

[Guest guest]

Does this mean that fasting glucose is not an indicator?

>

> The first indication of diabetes is a significantly impaired first

> phase insulin production which only shows up in a glucose tolerance

> test. AIC and glucose can remain normal or perhaps only slightly

> elevated.

>

[Guest guest]

Never mind. If anyone is interested here is the Governments official

word on diagnosis. It does leave out other factors but it does mention

that getting a single blood test is not a silver bullet. Another test

a few days later is probably a safe bet.

http://diabetes.niddk.nih.gov/dm/pubs/diagnosis/

Fasting Plasma Glucose (FPG) Test

The FPG is the preferred test for diagnosing diabetes due to

convenience and is most reliable when done in the morning. Results and

their meaning are shown in table 1. If your fasting glucose level is

100 to 125 mg/dL, you have a form of pre-diabetes called impaired

fasting glucose (IFG), meaning that you are more likely to develop

type 2 diabetes but do not have it yet. A level of 126 mg/dL or above,

confirmed by repeating the test on another day, means that you have

diabetes.

Table 1. Fasting Plasma Glucose Test

Plasma Glucose Result (mg/dL) Diagnosis

99 and below Normal

100 to 125 Pre-diabetes

(impaired fasting glucose)

126 and above Diabetes*

*Confirmed by repeating the test on a different day.

Oral Glucose Tolerance Test (OGTT)

Research has shown that the OGTT is more sensitive than the FPG test

for diagnosing pre-diabetes, but it is less convenient to administer.

The OGTT requires you to fast for at least 8 hours before the test.

Your plasma glucose is measured immediately before and 2 hours after

you drink a liquid containing 75 grams of glucose dissolved in water.

Results and what they mean are shown in table 2. If your blood glucose

level is between 140 and 199 mg/dL 2 hours after drinking the liquid,

you have a form of pre-diabetes called impaired glucose tolerance or

IGT, meaning that you are more likely to develop type 2 diabetes but

do not have it yet. A 2-hour glucose level of 200 mg/dL or above,

confirmed by repeating the test on another day, means that you have

diabetes.

Table 2. Oral Glucose Tolerance Test

2-Hour Plasma Glucose Result (mg/dL) Diagnosis

139 and below Normal

140 to 199 Pre-diabetes

(impaired glucose tolerance)

200 and above Diabetes*

*Confirmed by repeating the test on a different day.

Gestational diabetes is also diagnosed based on plasma glucose values

measured during the OGTT. Blood glucose levels are checked four times

during the test. If your blood glucose levels are above normal at

least twice during the test, you have gestational diabetes. Table 3

shows the above-normal results for the OGTT for gestational diabetes.

Table 3. Gestational Diabetes: Above-Normal

Results for the Oral Glucose Tolerance Test

When Plasma Glucose Result (mg/dL)

Fasting 95 or higher

At 1 hour 180 or higher

At 2 hours 155 or higher

At 3 hours 140 or higher

Note: Some laboratories use other numbers for this test.

For additional information about the diagnosis and treatment of

gestational diabetes, see the NIDDK booklet What I Need to Know About

Gestational Diabetes.

Random Plasma Glucose Test

A random blood glucose level of 200 mg/dL or more, plus presence of

the following symptoms, can mean that you have diabetes:

* increased urination

* increased thirst

* unexplained weight loss

Other symptoms include fatigue, blurred vision, increased hunger, and

sores that do not heal. Your doctor will check your blood glucose

level on another day using the FPG or the OGTT to confirm the diagnosis.

> >

> > The first indication of diabetes is a significantly impaired first

> > phase insulin production which only shows up in a glucose tolerance

> > test. AIC and glucose can remain normal or perhaps only slightly

> > elevated.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Never mind. If anyone is interested here is the Governments official

word on diagnosis. It does leave out other factors but it does mention

that getting a single blood test is not a silver bullet. Another test

a few days later is probably a safe bet.

http://diabetes.niddk.nih.gov/dm/pubs/diagnosis/

Fasting Plasma Glucose (FPG) Test

The FPG is the preferred test for diagnosing diabetes due to

convenience and is most reliable when done in the morning. Results and

their meaning are shown in table 1. If your fasting glucose level is

100 to 125 mg/dL, you have a form of pre-diabetes called impaired

fasting glucose (IFG), meaning that you are more likely to develop

type 2 diabetes but do not have it yet. A level of 126 mg/dL or above,

confirmed by repeating the test on another day, means that you have

diabetes.

Table 1. Fasting Plasma Glucose Test

Plasma Glucose Result (mg/dL) Diagnosis

99 and below Normal

100 to 125 Pre-diabetes

(impaired fasting glucose)

126 and above Diabetes*

*Confirmed by repeating the test on a different day.

Oral Glucose Tolerance Test (OGTT)

Research has shown that the OGTT is more sensitive than the FPG test

for diagnosing pre-diabetes, but it is less convenient to administer.

The OGTT requires you to fast for at least 8 hours before the test.

Your plasma glucose is measured immediately before and 2 hours after

you drink a liquid containing 75 grams of glucose dissolved in water.

Results and what they mean are shown in table 2. If your blood glucose

level is between 140 and 199 mg/dL 2 hours after drinking the liquid,

you have a form of pre-diabetes called impaired glucose tolerance or

IGT, meaning that you are more likely to develop type 2 diabetes but

do not have it yet. A 2-hour glucose level of 200 mg/dL or above,

confirmed by repeating the test on another day, means that you have

diabetes.

Table 2. Oral Glucose Tolerance Test

2-Hour Plasma Glucose Result (mg/dL) Diagnosis

139 and below Normal

140 to 199 Pre-diabetes

(impaired glucose tolerance)

200 and above Diabetes*

*Confirmed by repeating the test on a different day.

Gestational diabetes is also diagnosed based on plasma glucose values

measured during the OGTT. Blood glucose levels are checked four times

during the test. If your blood glucose levels are above normal at

least twice during the test, you have gestational diabetes. Table 3

shows the above-normal results for the OGTT for gestational diabetes.

Table 3. Gestational Diabetes: Above-Normal

Results for the Oral Glucose Tolerance Test

When Plasma Glucose Result (mg/dL)

Fasting 95 or higher

At 1 hour 180 or higher

At 2 hours 155 or higher

At 3 hours 140 or higher

Note: Some laboratories use other numbers for this test.

For additional information about the diagnosis and treatment of

gestational diabetes, see the NIDDK booklet What I Need to Know About

Gestational Diabetes.

Random Plasma Glucose Test

A random blood glucose level of 200 mg/dL or more, plus presence of

the following symptoms, can mean that you have diabetes:

* increased urination

* increased thirst

* unexplained weight loss

Other symptoms include fatigue, blurred vision, increased hunger, and

sores that do not heal. Your doctor will check your blood glucose

level on another day using the FPG or the OGTT to confirm the diagnosis.

> >

> > The first indication of diabetes is a significantly impaired first

> > phase insulin production which only shows up in a glucose tolerance

> > test. AIC and glucose can remain normal or perhaps only slightly

> > elevated.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Never mind. If anyone is interested here is the Governments official

word on diagnosis. It does leave out other factors but it does mention

that getting a single blood test is not a silver bullet. Another test

a few days later is probably a safe bet.

http://diabetes.niddk.nih.gov/dm/pubs/diagnosis/

Fasting Plasma Glucose (FPG) Test

The FPG is the preferred test for diagnosing diabetes due to

convenience and is most reliable when done in the morning. Results and

their meaning are shown in table 1. If your fasting glucose level is

100 to 125 mg/dL, you have a form of pre-diabetes called impaired

fasting glucose (IFG), meaning that you are more likely to develop

type 2 diabetes but do not have it yet. A level of 126 mg/dL or above,

confirmed by repeating the test on another day, means that you have

diabetes.

Table 1. Fasting Plasma Glucose Test

Plasma Glucose Result (mg/dL) Diagnosis

99 and below Normal

100 to 125 Pre-diabetes

(impaired fasting glucose)

126 and above Diabetes*

*Confirmed by repeating the test on a different day.

Oral Glucose Tolerance Test (OGTT)

Research has shown that the OGTT is more sensitive than the FPG test

for diagnosing pre-diabetes, but it is less convenient to administer.

The OGTT requires you to fast for at least 8 hours before the test.

Your plasma glucose is measured immediately before and 2 hours after

you drink a liquid containing 75 grams of glucose dissolved in water.

Results and what they mean are shown in table 2. If your blood glucose

level is between 140 and 199 mg/dL 2 hours after drinking the liquid,

you have a form of pre-diabetes called impaired glucose tolerance or

IGT, meaning that you are more likely to develop type 2 diabetes but

do not have it yet. A 2-hour glucose level of 200 mg/dL or above,

confirmed by repeating the test on another day, means that you have

diabetes.

Table 2. Oral Glucose Tolerance Test

2-Hour Plasma Glucose Result (mg/dL) Diagnosis

139 and below Normal

140 to 199 Pre-diabetes

(impaired glucose tolerance)

200 and above Diabetes*

*Confirmed by repeating the test on a different day.

Gestational diabetes is also diagnosed based on plasma glucose values

measured during the OGTT. Blood glucose levels are checked four times

during the test. If your blood glucose levels are above normal at

least twice during the test, you have gestational diabetes. Table 3

shows the above-normal results for the OGTT for gestational diabetes.

Table 3. Gestational Diabetes: Above-Normal

Results for the Oral Glucose Tolerance Test

When Plasma Glucose Result (mg/dL)

Fasting 95 or higher

At 1 hour 180 or higher

At 2 hours 155 or higher

At 3 hours 140 or higher

Note: Some laboratories use other numbers for this test.

For additional information about the diagnosis and treatment of

gestational diabetes, see the NIDDK booklet What I Need to Know About

Gestational Diabetes.

Random Plasma Glucose Test

A random blood glucose level of 200 mg/dL or more, plus presence of

the following symptoms, can mean that you have diabetes:

* increased urination

* increased thirst

* unexplained weight loss

Other symptoms include fatigue, blurred vision, increased hunger, and

sores that do not heal. Your doctor will check your blood glucose

level on another day using the FPG or the OGTT to confirm the diagnosis.

> >

> > The first indication of diabetes is a significantly impaired first

> > phase insulin production which only shows up in a glucose tolerance

> > test. AIC and glucose can remain normal or perhaps only slightly

> > elevated.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

O.K. guys one more and I'll zip it.

http://www.aafp.org/afp/981015ap/mayfield.html

The above link above was a published article when the standards for

diabetes detection changed in 1997. In all fairness the medical

community discusses in it the pros and cons of the lower standards.

Including diagnosing people with diabetes that have full blood sugar

control based on the A1C. In fact they discussed adopting the A1C as

the test to determine if a person has diabetes. This idea was rejected

because of inconsistant testing standards and the test is not readily

available in developing countries. My personal opinion is that this

reasoning from ADA is suspicious. I don't think they would get as many

people catagorized as they would like using the A1C as a standard.

I guess hypothetically what does a doctor do with a healthy patient

with normal weight, they excercise regularly but they have high

fasting blood sugar of 129. The patients A1C tests are way into the

normal range 4.8. What purpose does a diagnosis serve? You could tell

them to continue to take care of themselves and maybe get checked once

a year. But by the same token the ADA says this person is a diabetic

by definition because of the fasting glucose test.

Vance

[Guest guest]

O.K. guys one more and I'll zip it.

http://www.aafp.org/afp/981015ap/mayfield.html

The above link above was a published article when the standards for

diabetes detection changed in 1997. In all fairness the medical

community discusses in it the pros and cons of the lower standards.

Including diagnosing people with diabetes that have full blood sugar

control based on the A1C. In fact they discussed adopting the A1C as

the test to determine if a person has diabetes. This idea was rejected

because of inconsistant testing standards and the test is not readily

available in developing countries. My personal opinion is that this

reasoning from ADA is suspicious. I don't think they would get as many

people catagorized as they would like using the A1C as a standard.

I guess hypothetically what does a doctor do with a healthy patient

with normal weight, they excercise regularly but they have high

fasting blood sugar of 129. The patients A1C tests are way into the

normal range 4.8. What purpose does a diagnosis serve? You could tell

them to continue to take care of themselves and maybe get checked once

a year. But by the same token the ADA says this person is a diabetic

by definition because of the fasting glucose test.

Vance

[Guest guest]

O.K. guys one more and I'll zip it.

http://www.aafp.org/afp/981015ap/mayfield.html

The above link above was a published article when the standards for

diabetes detection changed in 1997. In all fairness the medical

community discusses in it the pros and cons of the lower standards.

Including diagnosing people with diabetes that have full blood sugar

control based on the A1C. In fact they discussed adopting the A1C as

the test to determine if a person has diabetes. This idea was rejected

because of inconsistant testing standards and the test is not readily

available in developing countries. My personal opinion is that this

reasoning from ADA is suspicious. I don't think they would get as many

people catagorized as they would like using the A1C as a standard.

I guess hypothetically what does a doctor do with a healthy patient

with normal weight, they excercise regularly but they have high

fasting blood sugar of 129. The patients A1C tests are way into the

normal range 4.8. What purpose does a diagnosis serve? You could tell

them to continue to take care of themselves and maybe get checked once

a year. But by the same token the ADA says this person is a diabetic

by definition because of the fasting glucose test.

Vance

[Guest guest]

Ok, I don't chime in often but here is what my husband and I were talking

about on the way home.

They say that most overweight or obese people are at a bigger risk for Type

2. Ok, that is understandable, but here is the aggravating part.

For those that are overweight and diagnosed and then placed on medicines of

any kind, it is like fighting a losing battle, because almost all of the

meds, including insulin, make you gain weight and the more you weigh, the

more you have to take. Kind of seems like a drug racket to me....

Duckie

[Guest guest]

Ok, I don't chime in often but here is what my husband and I were talking

about on the way home.

They say that most overweight or obese people are at a bigger risk for Type

2. Ok, that is understandable, but here is the aggravating part.

For those that are overweight and diagnosed and then placed on medicines of

any kind, it is like fighting a losing battle, because almost all of the

meds, including insulin, make you gain weight and the more you weigh, the

more you have to take. Kind of seems like a drug racket to me....

Duckie

[Guest guest]

Metformin doesn't make you gain weight. Byetta doesn't make you gain weight.

WHERE are you getting your info?

Eat smaller portions. Get daily exercise. Watch your carb intake. Quit blaming

the meds.

Take control of your own life. Only YOU can do it.

Tucson Kitty

RE: Re: I am not diabetic....but.....

They say that most overweight or obese people are at a bigger risk for Type

2. Ok, that is understandable, but here is the aggravating part.

For those that are overweight and diagnosed and then placed on medicines of

any kind, it is like fighting a losing battle, because almost all of the

meds, including insulin, make you gain weight and the more you weigh, the

more you have to take. Kind of seems like a drug racket to me....

Duckie

Diabetes homepage: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/diabetes/

To unsubscribe to this group, send an email to:

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Hope you come back soon!

[Guest guest]

Metformin doesn't make you gain weight. Byetta doesn't make you gain weight.

WHERE are you getting your info?

Eat smaller portions. Get daily exercise. Watch your carb intake. Quit blaming

the meds.

Take control of your own life. Only YOU can do it.

Tucson Kitty

RE: Re: I am not diabetic....but.....

They say that most overweight or obese people are at a bigger risk for Type

2. Ok, that is understandable, but here is the aggravating part.

For those that are overweight and diagnosed and then placed on medicines of

any kind, it is like fighting a losing battle, because almost all of the

meds, including insulin, make you gain weight and the more you weigh, the

more you have to take. Kind of seems like a drug racket to me....

Duckie

Diabetes homepage: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/diabetes/

To unsubscribe to this group, send an email to:

diabetes-unsubscribe

Hope you come back soon!

[Guest guest]

The only way that insulin makes you gain weight is that your body is finally

able to use the food you consume. If you reduce your food intake, you can

lose weight.

The bottom line is that your weight is the result of calorie intake and

calorie expendature. Meds may alter that equation slightly by letting your

body use the food more efficently, but you just need to make changes.

Reduce the calorie intake or increase the calorie expendatures (ie.

exercise).

If insulin truly made you fat, every non-diabetic with normal insulin levels

would be overweight. ;-)

Mike

>

> Ok, I don't chime in often but here is what my husband and I were talking

> about on the way home.

> They say that most overweight or obese people are at a bigger risk for

> Type

> 2. Ok, that is understandable, but here is the aggravating part.

>

> For those that are overweight and diagnosed and then placed on medicines

> of

> any kind, it is like fighting a losing battle, because almost all of the

> meds, including insulin, make you gain weight and the more you weigh, the

> more you have to take. Kind of seems like a drug racket to me....

>

> Duckie

>

>

>

> Diabetes homepage: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/diabetes/

>

> To unsubscribe to this group, send an email to:

> diabetes-unsubscribe

> Hope you come back soon!

>

[Guest guest]

When I was put on insulin a year and a half ago, I gained 15 pounds,

didn't change my eating habits that much, actually I ate a little

less because of the insulin and high blood sugars. Then in November

I went off of insulin and on metformin, and within 2 months, I lost

13 pounds without even trying. Then I started watching what I ate

and exercising, and have lost 4 more in the last month. My brother

is having the same problem, he finally went off of insulin and lost

around 15 pounds in a month.

Mindy

> The only way that insulin makes you gain weight is that your body

is finally

> able to use the food you consume. If you reduce your food intake,

you can

> lose weight.

>

> The bottom line is that your weight is the result of calorie

intake and

> calorie expendature. Meds may alter that equation slightly by

letting your

> body use the food more efficently, but you just need to make

changes.

> Reduce the calorie intake or increase the calorie expendatures (ie.

> exercise).

>

> If insulin truly made you fat, every non-diabetic with normal

insulin levels

> would be overweight. ;-)

>

> Mike

[Guest guest]

Hi Mindy,

This article seems to agree with you:

http://www.commonvoice.com/article.asp?colid=2972

Insulin: Fat Storage - Fat Use for Energy

Regina Wilshire

September 22, 2005

The following is a reprint from my blog, Weight of the Evidence.

Researchers at the University of California, San Diego (UCSD) School

of Medicine have reported in RxPG News that chronically high levels of

insulin, as is found in many people with obesity and Type II diabetes,

may block specific hormones that trigger energy release into the body.

In other words, high insulin levels inhibit the use of body fat for

energy in the body.

The researchers found in their studies that high levels of insulin can

block stress hormones known as catecholamines, which normally cause

the release of cellular energy. Adrenaline is the best known example

of a catecholamine. For normal metabolism to occur, the body needs a

balanced input of insulin and catecholamines. One of the actions of

insulin --, the main energy storage hormone, is to block activation of

the protein kinase A (PKA) enzyme. After a meal, insulin levels go up,

and the body stores energy primarily as triglycerides, or fat, in

adipose tissue to be used later. When energy is needed, catecholamine

triggers activation of PKA, and energy is released. But in people with

Type II diabetes, the hormonal balance has been thrown off, because

the body continues to produce and store more triglyceride instead of

breaking down the fat as released energy.

The findings provide additional understanding to the cause and effect

occurring when insulin levels are chronically too high. We know that

as insulin levels go up and the body loses the ability to effectively

use it, so it makes more, bringing insulin levels even higher as the

body struggles with what is called insulin resistence. Insulin

resistence is a pre-cursor to Type II diabetes.

Overweight and obesity is seen in the vast majority of those with

insulin resistence and Type II diabetes due to the chronic storage of

fat in the body.

" If insulin levels get too high for too long a time – which happens in

many patients with type II diabetes –the normal catecholamine signal

that triggers fat breakdown and energy release can be drowned out.

This can lead to excessive energy storage in the adipocyte, " said

Hupfeld, assistant professor of Medicine in the UCSD Division of

Endocrinology and Metabolism and a co-author of the paper. " This may

be one reason why chronic obesity and Type II diabetes are often seen

together. "

In lay terms, one gets fatter as their ability to effectively use

insulin diminishes and their body makes more insulin, thus storing

more energy as fat, in an effort to compensate for the insulin

resistence. It really is a vicious cycle.

Now while the article continues to say that this data underscores the

goal to bring down insulin levels - which I agree with - it fails to

fully explore options other than using medications known as insulin

sensitizers.

Too often, the medical community is dependent on the thinking that

" managing " the problem with drugs is the short and long-term solution.

While such an approach may be an effective short-term aid to bring

things under control, it fails to address the need to reverse and

eliminate the underlying cause of the chronic high insulin - poor diet.

>

>

> When I was put on insulin a year and a half ago, I gained 15 pounds,

> didn't change my eating habits that much, actually I ate a little

> less because of the insulin and high blood sugars. Then in November

> I went off of insulin and on metformin, and within 2 months, I lost

> 13 pounds without even trying. Then I started watching what I ate

> and exercising, and have lost 4 more in the last month. My brother

> is having the same problem, he finally went off of insulin and lost

> around 15 pounds in a month.

>

> Mindy

>

>

> > The only way that insulin makes you gain weight is that your body

> is finally

> > able to use the food you consume. If you reduce your food intake,

> you can

> > lose weight.

> >

> > The bottom line is that your weight is the result of calorie

> intake and

> > calorie expendature. Meds may alter that equation slightly by

> letting your

> > body use the food more efficently, but you just need to make

> changes.

> > Reduce the calorie intake or increase the calorie expendatures (ie.

> > exercise).

> >

> > If insulin truly made you fat, every non-diabetic with normal

> insulin levels

> > would be overweight. ;-)

> >

> > Mike

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Mindy,

This article seems to agree with you:

http://www.commonvoice.com/article.asp?colid=2972

Insulin: Fat Storage - Fat Use for Energy

Regina Wilshire

September 22, 2005

The following is a reprint from my blog, Weight of the Evidence.

Researchers at the University of California, San Diego (UCSD) School

of Medicine have reported in RxPG News that chronically high levels of

insulin, as is found in many people with obesity and Type II diabetes,

may block specific hormones that trigger energy release into the body.

In other words, high insulin levels inhibit the use of body fat for

energy in the body.

The researchers found in their studies that high levels of insulin can

block stress hormones known as catecholamines, which normally cause

the release of cellular energy. Adrenaline is the best known example

of a catecholamine. For normal metabolism to occur, the body needs a

balanced input of insulin and catecholamines. One of the actions of

insulin --, the main energy storage hormone, is to block activation of

the protein kinase A (PKA) enzyme. After a meal, insulin levels go up,

and the body stores energy primarily as triglycerides, or fat, in

adipose tissue to be used later. When energy is needed, catecholamine

triggers activation of PKA, and energy is released. But in people with

Type II diabetes, the hormonal balance has been thrown off, because

the body continues to produce and store more triglyceride instead of

breaking down the fat as released energy.

The findings provide additional understanding to the cause and effect

occurring when insulin levels are chronically too high. We know that

as insulin levels go up and the body loses the ability to effectively

use it, so it makes more, bringing insulin levels even higher as the

body struggles with what is called insulin resistence. Insulin

resistence is a pre-cursor to Type II diabetes.

Overweight and obesity is seen in the vast majority of those with

insulin resistence and Type II diabetes due to the chronic storage of

fat in the body.

" If insulin levels get too high for too long a time – which happens in

many patients with type II diabetes –the normal catecholamine signal

that triggers fat breakdown and energy release can be drowned out.

This can lead to excessive energy storage in the adipocyte, " said

Hupfeld, assistant professor of Medicine in the UCSD Division of

Endocrinology and Metabolism and a co-author of the paper. " This may

be one reason why chronic obesity and Type II diabetes are often seen

together. "

In lay terms, one gets fatter as their ability to effectively use

insulin diminishes and their body makes more insulin, thus storing

more energy as fat, in an effort to compensate for the insulin

resistence. It really is a vicious cycle.

Now while the article continues to say that this data underscores the

goal to bring down insulin levels - which I agree with - it fails to

fully explore options other than using medications known as insulin

sensitizers.

Too often, the medical community is dependent on the thinking that

" managing " the problem with drugs is the short and long-term solution.

While such an approach may be an effective short-term aid to bring

things under control, it fails to address the need to reverse and

eliminate the underlying cause of the chronic high insulin - poor diet.

>

>

> When I was put on insulin a year and a half ago, I gained 15 pounds,

> didn't change my eating habits that much, actually I ate a little

> less because of the insulin and high blood sugars. Then in November

> I went off of insulin and on metformin, and within 2 months, I lost

> 13 pounds without even trying. Then I started watching what I ate

> and exercising, and have lost 4 more in the last month. My brother

> is having the same problem, he finally went off of insulin and lost

> around 15 pounds in a month.

>

> Mindy

>

>

> > The only way that insulin makes you gain weight is that your body

> is finally

> > able to use the food you consume. If you reduce your food intake,

> you can

> > lose weight.

> >

> > The bottom line is that your weight is the result of calorie

> intake and

> > calorie expendature. Meds may alter that equation slightly by

> letting your

> > body use the food more efficently, but you just need to make

> changes.

> > Reduce the calorie intake or increase the calorie expendatures (ie.

> > exercise).

> >

> > If insulin truly made you fat, every non-diabetic with normal

> insulin levels

> > would be overweight. ;-)

> >

> > Mike

>

[Guest guest]

My mother has weighed over 300 pds for as far back as I can remember. She

is Diabetic, type 2... And not on Insulin. She has been Diabetic for a long

time also. Matter of fact, she has been on a Diet approved by her doctor,

and now has to watch that she does not drop too low, and she is on minimal

drugs now.

So the Stereotyping is not correct... And there are thinner people who

become Type 2, and stay thinner... I am now on Insulin and considered type 1

5 now due to Diabetes Health complications.. And I have been on Insulin now

for just about 1 yr. 5 months. Yes, I have gained 20 pds since starting

Insulin, but I have been this weight now, for about a yr... So it was just

something that happened at first.

A lot of it, is how you take care of yourself now, and if you ever do become

Diabetic. A lot of what is important, is how you eat, what you eat, and

stay as active as you can. Don't let Life and situations control you. You

always need to be in Control.

Just some of my thoughts.

~~TINA~~

-- RE: Re: I am not diabetic....but.....

Ok, I don't chime in often but here is what my husband and I were talking

about on the way home.

They say that most overweight or obese people are at a bigger risk for Type

2. Ok, that is understandable, but here is the aggravating part.

For those that are overweight and diagnosed and then placed on medicines of

any kind, it is like fighting a losing battle, because almost all of the

meds, including insulin, make you gain weight and the more you weigh, the

more you have to take. Kind of seems like a drug racket to me....

Duckie

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To unsubscribe to this group, send an email to:

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[Guest guest]

My mother has weighed over 300 pds for as far back as I can remember. She

is Diabetic, type 2... And not on Insulin. She has been Diabetic for a long

time also. Matter of fact, she has been on a Diet approved by her doctor,

and now has to watch that she does not drop too low, and she is on minimal

drugs now.

So the Stereotyping is not correct... And there are thinner people who

become Type 2, and stay thinner... I am now on Insulin and considered type 1

5 now due to Diabetes Health complications.. And I have been on Insulin now

for just about 1 yr. 5 months. Yes, I have gained 20 pds since starting

Insulin, but I have been this weight now, for about a yr... So it was just

something that happened at first.

A lot of it, is how you take care of yourself now, and if you ever do become

Diabetic. A lot of what is important, is how you eat, what you eat, and

stay as active as you can. Don't let Life and situations control you. You

always need to be in Control.

Just some of my thoughts.

~~TINA~~

-- RE: Re: I am not diabetic....but.....

Ok, I don't chime in often but here is what my husband and I were talking

about on the way home.

They say that most overweight or obese people are at a bigger risk for Type

2. Ok, that is understandable, but here is the aggravating part.

For those that are overweight and diagnosed and then placed on medicines of

any kind, it is like fighting a losing battle, because almost all of the

meds, including insulin, make you gain weight and the more you weigh, the

more you have to take. Kind of seems like a drug racket to me....

Duckie

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[Guest guest]

So, is the conclusion from this article that once you start taking insulin

you can never lose weight?

Mike

>

> Hi Mindy,

> This article seems to agree with you:

>

> http://www.commonvoice.com/article.asp?colid=2972

>

> Insulin: Fat Storage - Fat Use for Energy

> Regina Wilshire

> September 22, 2005

>

[Guest guest]

So, is the conclusion from this article that once you start taking insulin

you can never lose weight?

Mike

>

> Hi Mindy,

> This article seems to agree with you:

>

> http://www.commonvoice.com/article.asp?colid=2972

>

> Insulin: Fat Storage - Fat Use for Energy

> Regina Wilshire

> September 22, 2005

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Mike,

No, I think the article addresses people that maybe need to get

on insulin when they are first diagnosed but then should probably

get off when the body recovers(assuming the doctor agrees) and start

working on their diet. I have know idea how one would make that

determination. Again a good doctor that you can trust has to help or

you could find yourself in trouble.

Some people can't get off insulin. Keep in mind this is just an

article. I am not saying that its true but it does support what

some people are saying.

Vance

> >

> > Hi Mindy,

> > This article seems to agree with you:

> >

> > http://www.commonvoice.com/article.asp?colid=2972

> >

> > Insulin: Fat Storage - Fat Use for Energy

> > Regina Wilshire

> > September 22, 2005

> >

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Mike,

No, I think the article addresses people that maybe need to get

on insulin when they are first diagnosed but then should probably

get off when the body recovers(assuming the doctor agrees) and start

working on their diet. I have know idea how one would make that

determination. Again a good doctor that you can trust has to help or

you could find yourself in trouble.

Some people can't get off insulin. Keep in mind this is just an

article. I am not saying that its true but it does support what

some people are saying.

Vance

> >

> > Hi Mindy,

> > This article seems to agree with you:

> >

> > http://www.commonvoice.com/article.asp?colid=2972

> >

> > Insulin: Fat Storage - Fat Use for Energy

> > Regina Wilshire

> > September 22, 2005

> >

>

>

>