Guest guest Posted February 9, 2006 Report Share Posted February 9, 2006 Does this mean that fasting glucose is not an indicator? > > The first indication of diabetes is a significantly impaired first > phase insulin production which only shows up in a glucose tolerance > test. AIC and glucose can remain normal or perhaps only slightly > elevated. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2006 Report Share Posted February 10, 2006 Never mind. If anyone is interested here is the Governments official word on diagnosis. It does leave out other factors but it does mention that getting a single blood test is not a silver bullet. Another test a few days later is probably a safe bet. http://diabetes.niddk.nih.gov/dm/pubs/diagnosis/ Fasting Plasma Glucose (FPG) Test The FPG is the preferred test for diagnosing diabetes due to convenience and is most reliable when done in the morning. Results and their meaning are shown in table 1. If your fasting glucose level is 100 to 125 mg/dL, you have a form of pre-diabetes called impaired fasting glucose (IFG), meaning that you are more likely to develop type 2 diabetes but do not have it yet. A level of 126 mg/dL or above, confirmed by repeating the test on another day, means that you have diabetes. Table 1. Fasting Plasma Glucose Test Plasma Glucose Result (mg/dL) Diagnosis 99 and below Normal 100 to 125 Pre-diabetes (impaired fasting glucose) 126 and above Diabetes* *Confirmed by repeating the test on a different day. Oral Glucose Tolerance Test (OGTT) Research has shown that the OGTT is more sensitive than the FPG test for diagnosing pre-diabetes, but it is less convenient to administer. The OGTT requires you to fast for at least 8 hours before the test. Your plasma glucose is measured immediately before and 2 hours after you drink a liquid containing 75 grams of glucose dissolved in water. Results and what they mean are shown in table 2. If your blood glucose level is between 140 and 199 mg/dL 2 hours after drinking the liquid, you have a form of pre-diabetes called impaired glucose tolerance or IGT, meaning that you are more likely to develop type 2 diabetes but do not have it yet. A 2-hour glucose level of 200 mg/dL or above, confirmed by repeating the test on another day, means that you have diabetes. Table 2. Oral Glucose Tolerance Test 2-Hour Plasma Glucose Result (mg/dL) Diagnosis 139 and below Normal 140 to 199 Pre-diabetes (impaired glucose tolerance) 200 and above Diabetes* *Confirmed by repeating the test on a different day. Gestational diabetes is also diagnosed based on plasma glucose values measured during the OGTT. Blood glucose levels are checked four times during the test. If your blood glucose levels are above normal at least twice during the test, you have gestational diabetes. Table 3 shows the above-normal results for the OGTT for gestational diabetes. Table 3. Gestational Diabetes: Above-Normal Results for the Oral Glucose Tolerance Test When Plasma Glucose Result (mg/dL) Fasting 95 or higher At 1 hour 180 or higher At 2 hours 155 or higher At 3 hours 140 or higher Note: Some laboratories use other numbers for this test. For additional information about the diagnosis and treatment of gestational diabetes, see the NIDDK booklet What I Need to Know About Gestational Diabetes. Random Plasma Glucose Test A random blood glucose level of 200 mg/dL or more, plus presence of the following symptoms, can mean that you have diabetes: * increased urination * increased thirst * unexplained weight loss Other symptoms include fatigue, blurred vision, increased hunger, and sores that do not heal. Your doctor will check your blood glucose level on another day using the FPG or the OGTT to confirm the diagnosis. > > > > The first indication of diabetes is a significantly impaired first > > phase insulin production which only shows up in a glucose tolerance > > test. AIC and glucose can remain normal or perhaps only slightly > > elevated. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2006 Report Share Posted February 10, 2006 Never mind. If anyone is interested here is the Governments official word on diagnosis. It does leave out other factors but it does mention that getting a single blood test is not a silver bullet. Another test a few days later is probably a safe bet. http://diabetes.niddk.nih.gov/dm/pubs/diagnosis/ Fasting Plasma Glucose (FPG) Test The FPG is the preferred test for diagnosing diabetes due to convenience and is most reliable when done in the morning. Results and their meaning are shown in table 1. If your fasting glucose level is 100 to 125 mg/dL, you have a form of pre-diabetes called impaired fasting glucose (IFG), meaning that you are more likely to develop type 2 diabetes but do not have it yet. A level of 126 mg/dL or above, confirmed by repeating the test on another day, means that you have diabetes. Table 1. Fasting Plasma Glucose Test Plasma Glucose Result (mg/dL) Diagnosis 99 and below Normal 100 to 125 Pre-diabetes (impaired fasting glucose) 126 and above Diabetes* *Confirmed by repeating the test on a different day. Oral Glucose Tolerance Test (OGTT) Research has shown that the OGTT is more sensitive than the FPG test for diagnosing pre-diabetes, but it is less convenient to administer. The OGTT requires you to fast for at least 8 hours before the test. Your plasma glucose is measured immediately before and 2 hours after you drink a liquid containing 75 grams of glucose dissolved in water. Results and what they mean are shown in table 2. If your blood glucose level is between 140 and 199 mg/dL 2 hours after drinking the liquid, you have a form of pre-diabetes called impaired glucose tolerance or IGT, meaning that you are more likely to develop type 2 diabetes but do not have it yet. A 2-hour glucose level of 200 mg/dL or above, confirmed by repeating the test on another day, means that you have diabetes. Table 2. Oral Glucose Tolerance Test 2-Hour Plasma Glucose Result (mg/dL) Diagnosis 139 and below Normal 140 to 199 Pre-diabetes (impaired glucose tolerance) 200 and above Diabetes* *Confirmed by repeating the test on a different day. Gestational diabetes is also diagnosed based on plasma glucose values measured during the OGTT. Blood glucose levels are checked four times during the test. If your blood glucose levels are above normal at least twice during the test, you have gestational diabetes. Table 3 shows the above-normal results for the OGTT for gestational diabetes. Table 3. Gestational Diabetes: Above-Normal Results for the Oral Glucose Tolerance Test When Plasma Glucose Result (mg/dL) Fasting 95 or higher At 1 hour 180 or higher At 2 hours 155 or higher At 3 hours 140 or higher Note: Some laboratories use other numbers for this test. For additional information about the diagnosis and treatment of gestational diabetes, see the NIDDK booklet What I Need to Know About Gestational Diabetes. Random Plasma Glucose Test A random blood glucose level of 200 mg/dL or more, plus presence of the following symptoms, can mean that you have diabetes: * increased urination * increased thirst * unexplained weight loss Other symptoms include fatigue, blurred vision, increased hunger, and sores that do not heal. Your doctor will check your blood glucose level on another day using the FPG or the OGTT to confirm the diagnosis. > > > > The first indication of diabetes is a significantly impaired first > > phase insulin production which only shows up in a glucose tolerance > > test. AIC and glucose can remain normal or perhaps only slightly > > elevated. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2006 Report Share Posted February 10, 2006 Never mind. If anyone is interested here is the Governments official word on diagnosis. It does leave out other factors but it does mention that getting a single blood test is not a silver bullet. Another test a few days later is probably a safe bet. http://diabetes.niddk.nih.gov/dm/pubs/diagnosis/ Fasting Plasma Glucose (FPG) Test The FPG is the preferred test for diagnosing diabetes due to convenience and is most reliable when done in the morning. Results and their meaning are shown in table 1. If your fasting glucose level is 100 to 125 mg/dL, you have a form of pre-diabetes called impaired fasting glucose (IFG), meaning that you are more likely to develop type 2 diabetes but do not have it yet. A level of 126 mg/dL or above, confirmed by repeating the test on another day, means that you have diabetes. Table 1. Fasting Plasma Glucose Test Plasma Glucose Result (mg/dL) Diagnosis 99 and below Normal 100 to 125 Pre-diabetes (impaired fasting glucose) 126 and above Diabetes* *Confirmed by repeating the test on a different day. Oral Glucose Tolerance Test (OGTT) Research has shown that the OGTT is more sensitive than the FPG test for diagnosing pre-diabetes, but it is less convenient to administer. The OGTT requires you to fast for at least 8 hours before the test. Your plasma glucose is measured immediately before and 2 hours after you drink a liquid containing 75 grams of glucose dissolved in water. Results and what they mean are shown in table 2. If your blood glucose level is between 140 and 199 mg/dL 2 hours after drinking the liquid, you have a form of pre-diabetes called impaired glucose tolerance or IGT, meaning that you are more likely to develop type 2 diabetes but do not have it yet. A 2-hour glucose level of 200 mg/dL or above, confirmed by repeating the test on another day, means that you have diabetes. Table 2. Oral Glucose Tolerance Test 2-Hour Plasma Glucose Result (mg/dL) Diagnosis 139 and below Normal 140 to 199 Pre-diabetes (impaired glucose tolerance) 200 and above Diabetes* *Confirmed by repeating the test on a different day. Gestational diabetes is also diagnosed based on plasma glucose values measured during the OGTT. Blood glucose levels are checked four times during the test. If your blood glucose levels are above normal at least twice during the test, you have gestational diabetes. Table 3 shows the above-normal results for the OGTT for gestational diabetes. Table 3. Gestational Diabetes: Above-Normal Results for the Oral Glucose Tolerance Test When Plasma Glucose Result (mg/dL) Fasting 95 or higher At 1 hour 180 or higher At 2 hours 155 or higher At 3 hours 140 or higher Note: Some laboratories use other numbers for this test. For additional information about the diagnosis and treatment of gestational diabetes, see the NIDDK booklet What I Need to Know About Gestational Diabetes. Random Plasma Glucose Test A random blood glucose level of 200 mg/dL or more, plus presence of the following symptoms, can mean that you have diabetes: * increased urination * increased thirst * unexplained weight loss Other symptoms include fatigue, blurred vision, increased hunger, and sores that do not heal. Your doctor will check your blood glucose level on another day using the FPG or the OGTT to confirm the diagnosis. > > > > The first indication of diabetes is a significantly impaired first > > phase insulin production which only shows up in a glucose tolerance > > test. AIC and glucose can remain normal or perhaps only slightly > > elevated. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2006 Report Share Posted February 10, 2006 O.K. guys one more and I'll zip it. http://www.aafp.org/afp/981015ap/mayfield.html The above link above was a published article when the standards for diabetes detection changed in 1997. In all fairness the medical community discusses in it the pros and cons of the lower standards. Including diagnosing people with diabetes that have full blood sugar control based on the A1C. In fact they discussed adopting the A1C as the test to determine if a person has diabetes. This idea was rejected because of inconsistant testing standards and the test is not readily available in developing countries. My personal opinion is that this reasoning from ADA is suspicious. I don't think they would get as many people catagorized as they would like using the A1C as a standard. I guess hypothetically what does a doctor do with a healthy patient with normal weight, they excercise regularly but they have high fasting blood sugar of 129. The patients A1C tests are way into the normal range 4.8. What purpose does a diagnosis serve? You could tell them to continue to take care of themselves and maybe get checked once a year. But by the same token the ADA says this person is a diabetic by definition because of the fasting glucose test. Vance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2006 Report Share Posted February 10, 2006 O.K. guys one more and I'll zip it. http://www.aafp.org/afp/981015ap/mayfield.html The above link above was a published article when the standards for diabetes detection changed in 1997. In all fairness the medical community discusses in it the pros and cons of the lower standards. Including diagnosing people with diabetes that have full blood sugar control based on the A1C. In fact they discussed adopting the A1C as the test to determine if a person has diabetes. This idea was rejected because of inconsistant testing standards and the test is not readily available in developing countries. My personal opinion is that this reasoning from ADA is suspicious. I don't think they would get as many people catagorized as they would like using the A1C as a standard. I guess hypothetically what does a doctor do with a healthy patient with normal weight, they excercise regularly but they have high fasting blood sugar of 129. The patients A1C tests are way into the normal range 4.8. What purpose does a diagnosis serve? You could tell them to continue to take care of themselves and maybe get checked once a year. But by the same token the ADA says this person is a diabetic by definition because of the fasting glucose test. Vance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2006 Report Share Posted February 10, 2006 O.K. guys one more and I'll zip it. http://www.aafp.org/afp/981015ap/mayfield.html The above link above was a published article when the standards for diabetes detection changed in 1997. In all fairness the medical community discusses in it the pros and cons of the lower standards. Including diagnosing people with diabetes that have full blood sugar control based on the A1C. In fact they discussed adopting the A1C as the test to determine if a person has diabetes. This idea was rejected because of inconsistant testing standards and the test is not readily available in developing countries. My personal opinion is that this reasoning from ADA is suspicious. I don't think they would get as many people catagorized as they would like using the A1C as a standard. I guess hypothetically what does a doctor do with a healthy patient with normal weight, they excercise regularly but they have high fasting blood sugar of 129. The patients A1C tests are way into the normal range 4.8. What purpose does a diagnosis serve? You could tell them to continue to take care of themselves and maybe get checked once a year. But by the same token the ADA says this person is a diabetic by definition because of the fasting glucose test. Vance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2006 Report Share Posted February 10, 2006 Ok, I don't chime in often but here is what my husband and I were talking about on the way home. They say that most overweight or obese people are at a bigger risk for Type 2. Ok, that is understandable, but here is the aggravating part. For those that are overweight and diagnosed and then placed on medicines of any kind, it is like fighting a losing battle, because almost all of the meds, including insulin, make you gain weight and the more you weigh, the more you have to take. Kind of seems like a drug racket to me.... Duckie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2006 Report Share Posted February 10, 2006 Ok, I don't chime in often but here is what my husband and I were talking about on the way home. They say that most overweight or obese people are at a bigger risk for Type 2. Ok, that is understandable, but here is the aggravating part. For those that are overweight and diagnosed and then placed on medicines of any kind, it is like fighting a losing battle, because almost all of the meds, including insulin, make you gain weight and the more you weigh, the more you have to take. Kind of seems like a drug racket to me.... Duckie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2006 Report Share Posted February 10, 2006 Metformin doesn't make you gain weight. Byetta doesn't make you gain weight. WHERE are you getting your info? Eat smaller portions. Get daily exercise. Watch your carb intake. Quit blaming the meds. Take control of your own life. Only YOU can do it. Tucson Kitty RE: Re: I am not diabetic....but..... They say that most overweight or obese people are at a bigger risk for Type 2. Ok, that is understandable, but here is the aggravating part. For those that are overweight and diagnosed and then placed on medicines of any kind, it is like fighting a losing battle, because almost all of the meds, including insulin, make you gain weight and the more you weigh, the more you have to take. Kind of seems like a drug racket to me.... Duckie Diabetes homepage: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/diabetes/ To unsubscribe to this group, send an email to: diabetes-unsubscribe Hope you come back soon! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2006 Report Share Posted February 10, 2006 Metformin doesn't make you gain weight. Byetta doesn't make you gain weight. WHERE are you getting your info? Eat smaller portions. Get daily exercise. Watch your carb intake. Quit blaming the meds. Take control of your own life. Only YOU can do it. Tucson Kitty RE: Re: I am not diabetic....but..... They say that most overweight or obese people are at a bigger risk for Type 2. Ok, that is understandable, but here is the aggravating part. For those that are overweight and diagnosed and then placed on medicines of any kind, it is like fighting a losing battle, because almost all of the meds, including insulin, make you gain weight and the more you weigh, the more you have to take. Kind of seems like a drug racket to me.... Duckie Diabetes homepage: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/diabetes/ To unsubscribe to this group, send an email to: diabetes-unsubscribe Hope you come back soon! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2006 Report Share Posted February 10, 2006 The only way that insulin makes you gain weight is that your body is finally able to use the food you consume. If you reduce your food intake, you can lose weight. The bottom line is that your weight is the result of calorie intake and calorie expendature. Meds may alter that equation slightly by letting your body use the food more efficently, but you just need to make changes. Reduce the calorie intake or increase the calorie expendatures (ie. exercise). If insulin truly made you fat, every non-diabetic with normal insulin levels would be overweight. ;-) Mike > > Ok, I don't chime in often but here is what my husband and I were talking > about on the way home. > They say that most overweight or obese people are at a bigger risk for > Type > 2. Ok, that is understandable, but here is the aggravating part. > > For those that are overweight and diagnosed and then placed on medicines > of > any kind, it is like fighting a losing battle, because almost all of the > meds, including insulin, make you gain weight and the more you weigh, the > more you have to take. Kind of seems like a drug racket to me.... > > Duckie > > > > Diabetes homepage: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/diabetes/ > > To unsubscribe to this group, send an email to: > diabetes-unsubscribe > Hope you come back soon! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2006 Report Share Posted February 10, 2006 When I was put on insulin a year and a half ago, I gained 15 pounds, didn't change my eating habits that much, actually I ate a little less because of the insulin and high blood sugars. Then in November I went off of insulin and on metformin, and within 2 months, I lost 13 pounds without even trying. Then I started watching what I ate and exercising, and have lost 4 more in the last month. My brother is having the same problem, he finally went off of insulin and lost around 15 pounds in a month. Mindy > The only way that insulin makes you gain weight is that your body is finally > able to use the food you consume. If you reduce your food intake, you can > lose weight. > > The bottom line is that your weight is the result of calorie intake and > calorie expendature. Meds may alter that equation slightly by letting your > body use the food more efficently, but you just need to make changes. > Reduce the calorie intake or increase the calorie expendatures (ie. > exercise). > > If insulin truly made you fat, every non-diabetic with normal insulin levels > would be overweight. ;-) > > Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2006 Report Share Posted February 10, 2006 Hi Mindy, This article seems to agree with you: http://www.commonvoice.com/article.asp?colid=2972 Insulin: Fat Storage - Fat Use for Energy Regina Wilshire September 22, 2005 The following is a reprint from my blog, Weight of the Evidence. Researchers at the University of California, San Diego (UCSD) School of Medicine have reported in RxPG News that chronically high levels of insulin, as is found in many people with obesity and Type II diabetes, may block specific hormones that trigger energy release into the body. In other words, high insulin levels inhibit the use of body fat for energy in the body. The researchers found in their studies that high levels of insulin can block stress hormones known as catecholamines, which normally cause the release of cellular energy. Adrenaline is the best known example of a catecholamine. For normal metabolism to occur, the body needs a balanced input of insulin and catecholamines. One of the actions of insulin --, the main energy storage hormone, is to block activation of the protein kinase A (PKA) enzyme. After a meal, insulin levels go up, and the body stores energy primarily as triglycerides, or fat, in adipose tissue to be used later. When energy is needed, catecholamine triggers activation of PKA, and energy is released. But in people with Type II diabetes, the hormonal balance has been thrown off, because the body continues to produce and store more triglyceride instead of breaking down the fat as released energy. The findings provide additional understanding to the cause and effect occurring when insulin levels are chronically too high. We know that as insulin levels go up and the body loses the ability to effectively use it, so it makes more, bringing insulin levels even higher as the body struggles with what is called insulin resistence. Insulin resistence is a pre-cursor to Type II diabetes. Overweight and obesity is seen in the vast majority of those with insulin resistence and Type II diabetes due to the chronic storage of fat in the body. " If insulin levels get too high for too long a time – which happens in many patients with type II diabetes –the normal catecholamine signal that triggers fat breakdown and energy release can be drowned out. This can lead to excessive energy storage in the adipocyte, " said Hupfeld, assistant professor of Medicine in the UCSD Division of Endocrinology and Metabolism and a co-author of the paper. " This may be one reason why chronic obesity and Type II diabetes are often seen together. " In lay terms, one gets fatter as their ability to effectively use insulin diminishes and their body makes more insulin, thus storing more energy as fat, in an effort to compensate for the insulin resistence. It really is a vicious cycle. Now while the article continues to say that this data underscores the goal to bring down insulin levels - which I agree with - it fails to fully explore options other than using medications known as insulin sensitizers. Too often, the medical community is dependent on the thinking that " managing " the problem with drugs is the short and long-term solution. While such an approach may be an effective short-term aid to bring things under control, it fails to address the need to reverse and eliminate the underlying cause of the chronic high insulin - poor diet. > > > When I was put on insulin a year and a half ago, I gained 15 pounds, > didn't change my eating habits that much, actually I ate a little > less because of the insulin and high blood sugars. Then in November > I went off of insulin and on metformin, and within 2 months, I lost > 13 pounds without even trying. Then I started watching what I ate > and exercising, and have lost 4 more in the last month. My brother > is having the same problem, he finally went off of insulin and lost > around 15 pounds in a month. > > Mindy > > > > The only way that insulin makes you gain weight is that your body > is finally > > able to use the food you consume. If you reduce your food intake, > you can > > lose weight. > > > > The bottom line is that your weight is the result of calorie > intake and > > calorie expendature. Meds may alter that equation slightly by > letting your > > body use the food more efficently, but you just need to make > changes. > > Reduce the calorie intake or increase the calorie expendatures (ie. > > exercise). > > > > If insulin truly made you fat, every non-diabetic with normal > insulin levels > > would be overweight. ;-) > > > > Mike > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2006 Report Share Posted February 10, 2006 Hi Mindy, This article seems to agree with you: http://www.commonvoice.com/article.asp?colid=2972 Insulin: Fat Storage - Fat Use for Energy Regina Wilshire September 22, 2005 The following is a reprint from my blog, Weight of the Evidence. Researchers at the University of California, San Diego (UCSD) School of Medicine have reported in RxPG News that chronically high levels of insulin, as is found in many people with obesity and Type II diabetes, may block specific hormones that trigger energy release into the body. In other words, high insulin levels inhibit the use of body fat for energy in the body. The researchers found in their studies that high levels of insulin can block stress hormones known as catecholamines, which normally cause the release of cellular energy. Adrenaline is the best known example of a catecholamine. For normal metabolism to occur, the body needs a balanced input of insulin and catecholamines. One of the actions of insulin --, the main energy storage hormone, is to block activation of the protein kinase A (PKA) enzyme. After a meal, insulin levels go up, and the body stores energy primarily as triglycerides, or fat, in adipose tissue to be used later. When energy is needed, catecholamine triggers activation of PKA, and energy is released. But in people with Type II diabetes, the hormonal balance has been thrown off, because the body continues to produce and store more triglyceride instead of breaking down the fat as released energy. The findings provide additional understanding to the cause and effect occurring when insulin levels are chronically too high. We know that as insulin levels go up and the body loses the ability to effectively use it, so it makes more, bringing insulin levels even higher as the body struggles with what is called insulin resistence. Insulin resistence is a pre-cursor to Type II diabetes. Overweight and obesity is seen in the vast majority of those with insulin resistence and Type II diabetes due to the chronic storage of fat in the body. " If insulin levels get too high for too long a time – which happens in many patients with type II diabetes –the normal catecholamine signal that triggers fat breakdown and energy release can be drowned out. This can lead to excessive energy storage in the adipocyte, " said Hupfeld, assistant professor of Medicine in the UCSD Division of Endocrinology and Metabolism and a co-author of the paper. " This may be one reason why chronic obesity and Type II diabetes are often seen together. " In lay terms, one gets fatter as their ability to effectively use insulin diminishes and their body makes more insulin, thus storing more energy as fat, in an effort to compensate for the insulin resistence. It really is a vicious cycle. Now while the article continues to say that this data underscores the goal to bring down insulin levels - which I agree with - it fails to fully explore options other than using medications known as insulin sensitizers. Too often, the medical community is dependent on the thinking that " managing " the problem with drugs is the short and long-term solution. While such an approach may be an effective short-term aid to bring things under control, it fails to address the need to reverse and eliminate the underlying cause of the chronic high insulin - poor diet. > > > When I was put on insulin a year and a half ago, I gained 15 pounds, > didn't change my eating habits that much, actually I ate a little > less because of the insulin and high blood sugars. Then in November > I went off of insulin and on metformin, and within 2 months, I lost > 13 pounds without even trying. Then I started watching what I ate > and exercising, and have lost 4 more in the last month. My brother > is having the same problem, he finally went off of insulin and lost > around 15 pounds in a month. > > Mindy > > > > The only way that insulin makes you gain weight is that your body > is finally > > able to use the food you consume. If you reduce your food intake, > you can > > lose weight. > > > > The bottom line is that your weight is the result of calorie > intake and > > calorie expendature. Meds may alter that equation slightly by > letting your > > body use the food more efficently, but you just need to make > changes. > > Reduce the calorie intake or increase the calorie expendatures (ie. > > exercise). > > > > If insulin truly made you fat, every non-diabetic with normal > insulin levels > > would be overweight. ;-) > > > > Mike > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2006 Report Share Posted February 10, 2006 My mother has weighed over 300 pds for as far back as I can remember. She is Diabetic, type 2... And not on Insulin. She has been Diabetic for a long time also. Matter of fact, she has been on a Diet approved by her doctor, and now has to watch that she does not drop too low, and she is on minimal drugs now. So the Stereotyping is not correct... And there are thinner people who become Type 2, and stay thinner... I am now on Insulin and considered type 1 5 now due to Diabetes Health complications.. And I have been on Insulin now for just about 1 yr. 5 months. Yes, I have gained 20 pds since starting Insulin, but I have been this weight now, for about a yr... So it was just something that happened at first. A lot of it, is how you take care of yourself now, and if you ever do become Diabetic. A lot of what is important, is how you eat, what you eat, and stay as active as you can. Don't let Life and situations control you. You always need to be in Control. Just some of my thoughts. ~~TINA~~ -- RE: Re: I am not diabetic....but..... Ok, I don't chime in often but here is what my husband and I were talking about on the way home. They say that most overweight or obese people are at a bigger risk for Type 2. Ok, that is understandable, but here is the aggravating part. For those that are overweight and diagnosed and then placed on medicines of any kind, it is like fighting a losing battle, because almost all of the meds, including insulin, make you gain weight and the more you weigh, the more you have to take. Kind of seems like a drug racket to me.... Duckie Diabetes homepage: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/diabetes/ To unsubscribe to this group, send an email to: diabetes-unsubscribe Hope you come back soon! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2006 Report Share Posted February 10, 2006 My mother has weighed over 300 pds for as far back as I can remember. She is Diabetic, type 2... And not on Insulin. She has been Diabetic for a long time also. Matter of fact, she has been on a Diet approved by her doctor, and now has to watch that she does not drop too low, and she is on minimal drugs now. So the Stereotyping is not correct... And there are thinner people who become Type 2, and stay thinner... I am now on Insulin and considered type 1 5 now due to Diabetes Health complications.. And I have been on Insulin now for just about 1 yr. 5 months. Yes, I have gained 20 pds since starting Insulin, but I have been this weight now, for about a yr... So it was just something that happened at first. A lot of it, is how you take care of yourself now, and if you ever do become Diabetic. A lot of what is important, is how you eat, what you eat, and stay as active as you can. Don't let Life and situations control you. You always need to be in Control. Just some of my thoughts. ~~TINA~~ -- RE: Re: I am not diabetic....but..... Ok, I don't chime in often but here is what my husband and I were talking about on the way home. They say that most overweight or obese people are at a bigger risk for Type 2. Ok, that is understandable, but here is the aggravating part. For those that are overweight and diagnosed and then placed on medicines of any kind, it is like fighting a losing battle, because almost all of the meds, including insulin, make you gain weight and the more you weigh, the more you have to take. Kind of seems like a drug racket to me.... Duckie Diabetes homepage: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/diabetes/ To unsubscribe to this group, send an email to: diabetes-unsubscribe Hope you come back soon! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2006 Report Share Posted February 10, 2006 So, is the conclusion from this article that once you start taking insulin you can never lose weight? Mike > > Hi Mindy, > This article seems to agree with you: > > http://www.commonvoice.com/article.asp?colid=2972 > > Insulin: Fat Storage - Fat Use for Energy > Regina Wilshire > September 22, 2005 > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2006 Report Share Posted February 10, 2006 So, is the conclusion from this article that once you start taking insulin you can never lose weight? Mike > > Hi Mindy, > This article seems to agree with you: > > http://www.commonvoice.com/article.asp?colid=2972 > > Insulin: Fat Storage - Fat Use for Energy > Regina Wilshire > September 22, 2005 > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2006 Report Share Posted February 10, 2006 Hi Mike, No, I think the article addresses people that maybe need to get on insulin when they are first diagnosed but then should probably get off when the body recovers(assuming the doctor agrees) and start working on their diet. I have know idea how one would make that determination. Again a good doctor that you can trust has to help or you could find yourself in trouble. Some people can't get off insulin. Keep in mind this is just an article. I am not saying that its true but it does support what some people are saying. Vance > > > > Hi Mindy, > > This article seems to agree with you: > > > > http://www.commonvoice.com/article.asp?colid=2972 > > > > Insulin: Fat Storage - Fat Use for Energy > > Regina Wilshire > > September 22, 2005 > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2006 Report Share Posted February 10, 2006 Hi Mike, No, I think the article addresses people that maybe need to get on insulin when they are first diagnosed but then should probably get off when the body recovers(assuming the doctor agrees) and start working on their diet. I have know idea how one would make that determination. Again a good doctor that you can trust has to help or you could find yourself in trouble. Some people can't get off insulin. Keep in mind this is just an article. I am not saying that its true but it does support what some people are saying. Vance > > > > Hi Mindy, > > This article seems to agree with you: > > > > http://www.commonvoice.com/article.asp?colid=2972 > > > > Insulin: Fat Storage - Fat Use for Energy > > Regina Wilshire > > September 22, 2005 > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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