Guest guest Posted October 4, 2001 Report Share Posted October 4, 2001 I changed the topic so we wouldn't confuse this thread with the political one. We do often discuss 'off topic' stuff here, but so far no moderator has told us not to, and it is often tied into stuff about AA. You appar At 04:59 PM 10/4/01 EDT, you wrote: > > > ><< How long out? >> > >Uh, two days now. > >>> And why did you leave? > >I never could do the god thing. I was being told that I was not willing >to submit. That I was arrogant. That I was trying to control my own destiny And they think there's something wrong with that. I don't. >and not let god. >I was told I would drink again If you choose to... >and if I drank again I'd die. And those who don't drink will live forever? I don't think so. >All of this reminded me far too much of the Xtian cult I grew up in. > " If you leave us, you'll commit suicide because you'll be so unhappy, and >then you'll burn in hell. " Same shit, different faces. I've read a lot about cults, there's a lot of overlap in the various techniques they use. >Sad thing is, I never really believed myself to be an alcoholic. I went into >a treatment center for depression and I admitted to drinking a lot at times >when I got really sad, and I was told I needed to go to chemical dependancy >meetings and one thing led to another. I was vulnerable. I didn't have >answers >of my own, so I gave in. I feel like I've been living in a daze for the past >six >months, and I've just come out of it. > >I drank two beers last night, just to see what it would feel like. To see if >I was >as awful as they said I was. Hm. No lightening from the sky. It just felt >like >two beers. Big fucking deal. It didn't feel great, it didn't feel awful. If it didn't feel awful, that's good, your programming wasn't as deep as some of ours. A few years ago I was at a seminar by the company I worked for - there was a pre-dinner reception with plenty of free alhohol, but there was NO COFFEE. I had been programmed to feel that drinking coffee would keep me sober... Some of us here drink, and some of us have stayed abstinent since leaving AA, but this is a personal decision. AA is not so much about quitting drinking as it is about finding the God of Bill 's understanding anyway. > >I feel a bit hung over today, cause I never drank all that much to begin with. >I'm sorry, but self-medication isn't alcoholism. It just ISN'T. Yes, at >times >in my life, after people died, after traumas happened, I drank a lot. Then >I'd get fucking sick of drinking, pick myself up, and go on. But in AA they >told me that was a sure sign of alcoholism. Since I didn't know any better I >believed them. Now I disagree. I think they'll say anything to keep you >there. >Anything. That's an excellent observation.I sometimes heard words to the effect that " I found that my sponsor and the people in these rooms would do anything to help me recover from alcoholism. " >I feel like I just wasted six months of my life. I feel angry, and sad >inside. I feel >betrayed and scared like, how could I have fallen for that? I keep running >into >them all over town, the AA people. They don't know I'm not coming to meetings >any more yet, so they smile and wave and do that weird wide-eyed " you're one >of us so >I love you " kind of looks at me. I feel like buying booze everywhere I go, >and getting >a bunch of booze tshirts just so they know I'm definitely NOT one of them any >more. I hate seeing them everywhere. I feel like I'm being watched. I felt a lot of this, and we've seen it all on this list. >I wonder when or if the phone calls will start. I'm thinking about just >changing >my phone number. Others have dealt with this, maybe they'll respond. By the time I left I had been going to meetings for seven to nine years. I had bought into it the first couple of years, thee rest of the time was learning what AA was really like, chaning my mind about it, and digging out, and basically becoming The Heretic From Hell. No one in AA called me in probably the last five or six years. >I feel freaked out, and kind of lost but I also feel like a >great >weight has been lifted from me. > >The more I think about it all, the angrier I get. I can't believe treatment >facilities >can just railroad people into this shit, and no one questions it. Let alone >courtrooms. Do you understand that court-ordered AA is a violation of the First Amendment? This gets back to being political, but there are several websites that discuss this such as Stanton Peele's http://www.peele.net>. There are several websites started by subscribers and/or former subscribers to this list (and unlike some other places, it's okay to leave this list). A prominent one is http://www.aadeprogramming.com>. >I was told that it was okay that I didn't believe in god. Well, no, it >wasn't okay. Did you get the " your higher power can be a doorknob " sales pitch? In my last years I was saying things like " I couldn't have walked into this building without the help of my higher power " , implying how I had to turn the doorknob to open the door. But yes, there are a lot of contraditions, some will say something is okay, others will say it's not. >I'm kind of a goth/deathmetal person. I drive a hearse. I wear black all >the time. >I like who I am. I was told that to be well I had to sell my car. I had to >change all >my clothes, my music, everything. And yet they say " you can work your own >program, you >can be who you want. " It's like what Henry Ford said about his car, " You can have any color you like as long as it's black " - you can do anything you want as long as the only thing you want to do is work the program. >Then they tried to foist me off on the biker faction, cause the bikers wear >black and look >kinda like me. But I'm not a biker. I'm just me. An example of literal " black-and-white " thinking! > I felt like it was either >change me, or >constantly deal with the looks of pity and the lectures after the meetings >and the condescending >tones. The accusations that I wasn't working my program. That I wasn't >trying hard enough. > >I'm sorry. I'm rambling. Thanks for listening. We've all rambled and bitched, etc, etc, etc, ad nauseum, and a few other Latin incantations about AA as well as a few off-topic things. Feel free to say as much as you like. ---------- http://listen.to/benbradley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2001 Report Share Posted October 5, 2001 This is a sure sign of a person who has started the deprogramming process. At first I to was a little nervous and scared. They were evrywhere. The steppers would show up in line at the deli I worked in, I just found out that my little sister's best friends mother is a member, and she lives right across the street. They are cockroaches. If nuclear war broke out, the lat hing standing would be a group of people at a meeting. After the dust settled, a meeting would form. They don't stop. They have no opinions on outside interests, because they have seperated themselves from the rest of the world. AA is also about fitting in. I have heard that people will not tell you how to live your life, but this is an out and out lie. " The program " is viewed and maintained as a way to learn how to live life. If it was ment to help someone quit drinking, then why would they go to learn how to live. This is absolutely ludicrous. You have to make yourself fit into the program, not the other way around, to be a " good memeber " . The program has to be flexible to be sensical, yet I could never abide ny something that in 60 years existance has never even recieved a simple face lift. All views on every real disease have gone through drastic changes, as well as the views on treating them, over the last sixty years. Some how or aother though, some crazy asshole is going to have all the answers for a " disease " in the thirties and today, we are still going to look at his views as fact. What scientific research did he ever do, and how the hell does all info that the scientific community come across, fit into his beliefs? Simple, it doesn't but because they have the money and the power now, if you don't believe they will make sure " you never work in this town again? Well fuck them, they are going down! > >Reply-To: 12-step-free >To: 12-step-free >Subject: New out of AA >Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 20:49:20 -0400 > > I changed the topic so we wouldn't confuse this thread with the >political one. > We do often discuss 'off topic' stuff here, but so far no moderator >has told us not to, and it is often tied into stuff about AA. You >appar > >At 04:59 PM 10/4/01 EDT, you wrote: > > > > > > > ><< How long out? >> > > > >Uh, two days now. > > > >>> And why did you leave? > > > >I never could do the god thing. I was being told that I was not willing > >to submit. That I was arrogant. That I was trying to control my own >destiny > > And they think there's something wrong with that. I don't. > > >and not let god. > >I was told I would drink again > > If you choose to... > > >and if I drank again I'd die. > > And those who don't drink will live forever? I don't think so. > > >All of this reminded me far too much of the Xtian cult I grew up in. > > " If you leave us, you'll commit suicide because you'll be so unhappy, and > >then you'll burn in hell. " Same shit, different faces. > > I've read a lot about cults, there's a lot of overlap in the >various techniques they use. > > >Sad thing is, I never really believed myself to be an alcoholic. I went >into > >a treatment center for depression and I admitted to drinking a lot at >times > >when I got really sad, and I was told I needed to go to chemical >dependancy > >meetings and one thing led to another. I was vulnerable. I didn't have > >answers > >of my own, so I gave in. I feel like I've been living in a daze for the >past > >six > >months, and I've just come out of it. > > > > >I drank two beers last night, just to see what it would feel like. To >see >if > >I was > >as awful as they said I was. Hm. No lightening from the sky. It just >felt > >like > >two beers. Big fucking deal. It didn't feel great, it didn't feel >awful. > > If it didn't feel awful, that's good, your programming wasn't as deep >as some of ours. > A few years ago I was at a seminar by the company I worked for - >there was a pre-dinner reception with plenty of free alhohol, but there >was NO COFFEE. I had been programmed to feel that drinking coffee >would keep me sober... > Some of us here drink, and some of us have stayed abstinent since >leaving AA, but this is a personal decision. AA is not so much about >quitting drinking as it is about finding the God of Bill 's >understanding anyway. > > > > >I feel a bit hung over today, cause I never drank all that much to begin >with. > >I'm sorry, but self-medication isn't alcoholism. It just ISN'T. Yes, at > >times > >in my life, after people died, after traumas happened, I drank a lot. >Then > >I'd get fucking sick of drinking, pick myself up, and go on. But in AA >they > >told me that was a sure sign of alcoholism. Since I didn't know any >better I > >believed them. Now I disagree. I think they'll say anything to keep you > >there. > >Anything. > > That's an excellent observation.I sometimes heard words to the effect >that " I found that my sponsor and the people in these rooms would do >anything to help me recover from alcoholism. " > > >I feel like I just wasted six months of my life. I feel angry, and sad > >inside. I feel > >betrayed and scared like, how could I have fallen for that? I keep >running > >into > >them all over town, the AA people. They don't know I'm not coming to >meetings > >any more yet, so they smile and wave and do that weird wide-eyed " you're >one > >of us so > >I love you " kind of looks at me. I feel like buying booze everywhere I >go, > >and getting > >a bunch of booze tshirts just so they know I'm definitely NOT one of them >any > >more. I hate seeing them everywhere. I feel like I'm being watched. > > I felt a lot of this, and we've seen it all on this list. > > >I wonder when or if the phone calls will start. I'm thinking about just > >changing > >my phone number. > > Others have dealt with this, maybe they'll respond. By the time I >left I had been going to meetings for seven to nine years. I had bought >into it the first couple of years, thee rest of the time was learning >what AA was really like, chaning my mind about it, and digging out, and >basically becoming The Heretic From Hell. No one in AA called me in >probably the last five or six years. > > >I feel freaked out, and kind of lost but I also feel like a > >great > >weight has been lifted from me. > > > >The more I think about it all, the angrier I get. I can't believe >treatment > >facilities > >can just railroad people into this shit, and no one questions it. Let >alone > >courtrooms. > > Do you understand that court-ordered AA is a violation of the First >Amendment? This gets back to being political, but there are several >websites that discuss this such as Stanton Peele's http://www.peele.net>. > There are several websites started by subscribers and/or former >subscribers to this list (and unlike some other places, it's okay to >leave this list). A prominent one is http://www.aadeprogramming.com>. > > >I was told that it was okay that I didn't believe in god. Well, no, it > >wasn't okay. > > Did you get the " your higher power can be a doorknob " sales pitch? >In my last years I was saying things like " I couldn't have walked into >this building without the help of my higher power " , implying how I had to >turn the doorknob to open the door. > But yes, there are a lot of contraditions, some will say something >is okay, others will say it's not. > > >I'm kind of a goth/deathmetal person. I drive a hearse. I wear black >all > >the time. > >I like who I am. I was told that to be well I had to sell my car. I had >to > >change all > >my clothes, my music, everything. And yet they say " you can work your >own > >program, you > >can be who you want. " > > It's like what Henry Ford said about his car, " You can have any color >you like as long as it's black " - you can do anything you want as long >as the only thing you want to do is work the program. > > >Then they tried to foist me off on the biker faction, cause the bikers >wear > >black and look > >kinda like me. But I'm not a biker. I'm just me. > > An example of literal " black-and-white " thinking! > > > I felt like it was either > >change me, or > >constantly deal with the looks of pity and the lectures after the >meetings > >and the condescending > >tones. The accusations that I wasn't working my program. That I wasn't > >trying hard enough. > > > >I'm sorry. I'm rambling. Thanks for listening. > > We've all rambled and bitched, etc, etc, etc, ad nauseum, and a few >other Latin incantations about AA as well as a few off-topic things. >Feel free to say as much as you like. > >---------- >http://listen.to/benbradley _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2001 Report Share Posted October 5, 2001 This is a sure sign of a person who has started the deprogramming process. At first I to was a little nervous and scared. They were evrywhere. The steppers would show up in line at the deli I worked in, I just found out that my little sister's best friends mother is a member, and she lives right across the street. They are cockroaches. If nuclear war broke out, the lat hing standing would be a group of people at a meeting. After the dust settled, a meeting would form. They don't stop. They have no opinions on outside interests, because they have seperated themselves from the rest of the world. AA is also about fitting in. I have heard that people will not tell you how to live your life, but this is an out and out lie. " The program " is viewed and maintained as a way to learn how to live life. If it was ment to help someone quit drinking, then why would they go to learn how to live. This is absolutely ludicrous. You have to make yourself fit into the program, not the other way around, to be a " good memeber " . The program has to be flexible to be sensical, yet I could never abide ny something that in 60 years existance has never even recieved a simple face lift. All views on every real disease have gone through drastic changes, as well as the views on treating them, over the last sixty years. Some how or aother though, some crazy asshole is going to have all the answers for a " disease " in the thirties and today, we are still going to look at his views as fact. What scientific research did he ever do, and how the hell does all info that the scientific community come across, fit into his beliefs? Simple, it doesn't but because they have the money and the power now, if you don't believe they will make sure " you never work in this town again? Well fuck them, they are going down! > >Reply-To: 12-step-free >To: 12-step-free >Subject: New out of AA >Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 20:49:20 -0400 > > I changed the topic so we wouldn't confuse this thread with the >political one. > We do often discuss 'off topic' stuff here, but so far no moderator >has told us not to, and it is often tied into stuff about AA. You >appar > >At 04:59 PM 10/4/01 EDT, you wrote: > > > > > > > ><< How long out? >> > > > >Uh, two days now. > > > >>> And why did you leave? > > > >I never could do the god thing. I was being told that I was not willing > >to submit. That I was arrogant. That I was trying to control my own >destiny > > And they think there's something wrong with that. I don't. > > >and not let god. > >I was told I would drink again > > If you choose to... > > >and if I drank again I'd die. > > And those who don't drink will live forever? I don't think so. > > >All of this reminded me far too much of the Xtian cult I grew up in. > > " If you leave us, you'll commit suicide because you'll be so unhappy, and > >then you'll burn in hell. " Same shit, different faces. > > I've read a lot about cults, there's a lot of overlap in the >various techniques they use. > > >Sad thing is, I never really believed myself to be an alcoholic. I went >into > >a treatment center for depression and I admitted to drinking a lot at >times > >when I got really sad, and I was told I needed to go to chemical >dependancy > >meetings and one thing led to another. I was vulnerable. I didn't have > >answers > >of my own, so I gave in. I feel like I've been living in a daze for the >past > >six > >months, and I've just come out of it. > > > > >I drank two beers last night, just to see what it would feel like. To >see >if > >I was > >as awful as they said I was. Hm. No lightening from the sky. It just >felt > >like > >two beers. Big fucking deal. It didn't feel great, it didn't feel >awful. > > If it didn't feel awful, that's good, your programming wasn't as deep >as some of ours. > A few years ago I was at a seminar by the company I worked for - >there was a pre-dinner reception with plenty of free alhohol, but there >was NO COFFEE. I had been programmed to feel that drinking coffee >would keep me sober... > Some of us here drink, and some of us have stayed abstinent since >leaving AA, but this is a personal decision. AA is not so much about >quitting drinking as it is about finding the God of Bill 's >understanding anyway. > > > > >I feel a bit hung over today, cause I never drank all that much to begin >with. > >I'm sorry, but self-medication isn't alcoholism. It just ISN'T. Yes, at > >times > >in my life, after people died, after traumas happened, I drank a lot. >Then > >I'd get fucking sick of drinking, pick myself up, and go on. But in AA >they > >told me that was a sure sign of alcoholism. Since I didn't know any >better I > >believed them. Now I disagree. I think they'll say anything to keep you > >there. > >Anything. > > That's an excellent observation.I sometimes heard words to the effect >that " I found that my sponsor and the people in these rooms would do >anything to help me recover from alcoholism. " > > >I feel like I just wasted six months of my life. I feel angry, and sad > >inside. I feel > >betrayed and scared like, how could I have fallen for that? I keep >running > >into > >them all over town, the AA people. They don't know I'm not coming to >meetings > >any more yet, so they smile and wave and do that weird wide-eyed " you're >one > >of us so > >I love you " kind of looks at me. I feel like buying booze everywhere I >go, > >and getting > >a bunch of booze tshirts just so they know I'm definitely NOT one of them >any > >more. I hate seeing them everywhere. I feel like I'm being watched. > > I felt a lot of this, and we've seen it all on this list. > > >I wonder when or if the phone calls will start. I'm thinking about just > >changing > >my phone number. > > Others have dealt with this, maybe they'll respond. By the time I >left I had been going to meetings for seven to nine years. I had bought >into it the first couple of years, thee rest of the time was learning >what AA was really like, chaning my mind about it, and digging out, and >basically becoming The Heretic From Hell. No one in AA called me in >probably the last five or six years. > > >I feel freaked out, and kind of lost but I also feel like a > >great > >weight has been lifted from me. > > > >The more I think about it all, the angrier I get. I can't believe >treatment > >facilities > >can just railroad people into this shit, and no one questions it. Let >alone > >courtrooms. > > Do you understand that court-ordered AA is a violation of the First >Amendment? This gets back to being political, but there are several >websites that discuss this such as Stanton Peele's http://www.peele.net>. > There are several websites started by subscribers and/or former >subscribers to this list (and unlike some other places, it's okay to >leave this list). A prominent one is http://www.aadeprogramming.com>. > > >I was told that it was okay that I didn't believe in god. Well, no, it > >wasn't okay. > > Did you get the " your higher power can be a doorknob " sales pitch? >In my last years I was saying things like " I couldn't have walked into >this building without the help of my higher power " , implying how I had to >turn the doorknob to open the door. > But yes, there are a lot of contraditions, some will say something >is okay, others will say it's not. > > >I'm kind of a goth/deathmetal person. I drive a hearse. I wear black >all > >the time. > >I like who I am. I was told that to be well I had to sell my car. I had >to > >change all > >my clothes, my music, everything. And yet they say " you can work your >own > >program, you > >can be who you want. " > > It's like what Henry Ford said about his car, " You can have any color >you like as long as it's black " - you can do anything you want as long >as the only thing you want to do is work the program. > > >Then they tried to foist me off on the biker faction, cause the bikers >wear > >black and look > >kinda like me. But I'm not a biker. I'm just me. > > An example of literal " black-and-white " thinking! > > > I felt like it was either > >change me, or > >constantly deal with the looks of pity and the lectures after the >meetings > >and the condescending > >tones. The accusations that I wasn't working my program. That I wasn't > >trying hard enough. > > > >I'm sorry. I'm rambling. Thanks for listening. > > We've all rambled and bitched, etc, etc, etc, ad nauseum, and a few >other Latin incantations about AA as well as a few off-topic things. >Feel free to say as much as you like. > >---------- >http://listen.to/benbradley _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2001 Report Share Posted October 5, 2001 This is a sure sign of a person who has started the deprogramming process. At first I to was a little nervous and scared. They were evrywhere. The steppers would show up in line at the deli I worked in, I just found out that my little sister's best friends mother is a member, and she lives right across the street. They are cockroaches. If nuclear war broke out, the lat hing standing would be a group of people at a meeting. After the dust settled, a meeting would form. They don't stop. They have no opinions on outside interests, because they have seperated themselves from the rest of the world. AA is also about fitting in. I have heard that people will not tell you how to live your life, but this is an out and out lie. " The program " is viewed and maintained as a way to learn how to live life. If it was ment to help someone quit drinking, then why would they go to learn how to live. This is absolutely ludicrous. You have to make yourself fit into the program, not the other way around, to be a " good memeber " . The program has to be flexible to be sensical, yet I could never abide ny something that in 60 years existance has never even recieved a simple face lift. All views on every real disease have gone through drastic changes, as well as the views on treating them, over the last sixty years. Some how or aother though, some crazy asshole is going to have all the answers for a " disease " in the thirties and today, we are still going to look at his views as fact. What scientific research did he ever do, and how the hell does all info that the scientific community come across, fit into his beliefs? Simple, it doesn't but because they have the money and the power now, if you don't believe they will make sure " you never work in this town again? Well fuck them, they are going down! > >Reply-To: 12-step-free >To: 12-step-free >Subject: New out of AA >Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 20:49:20 -0400 > > I changed the topic so we wouldn't confuse this thread with the >political one. > We do often discuss 'off topic' stuff here, but so far no moderator >has told us not to, and it is often tied into stuff about AA. You >appar > >At 04:59 PM 10/4/01 EDT, you wrote: > > > > > > > ><< How long out? >> > > > >Uh, two days now. > > > >>> And why did you leave? > > > >I never could do the god thing. I was being told that I was not willing > >to submit. That I was arrogant. That I was trying to control my own >destiny > > And they think there's something wrong with that. I don't. > > >and not let god. > >I was told I would drink again > > If you choose to... > > >and if I drank again I'd die. > > And those who don't drink will live forever? I don't think so. > > >All of this reminded me far too much of the Xtian cult I grew up in. > > " If you leave us, you'll commit suicide because you'll be so unhappy, and > >then you'll burn in hell. " Same shit, different faces. > > I've read a lot about cults, there's a lot of overlap in the >various techniques they use. > > >Sad thing is, I never really believed myself to be an alcoholic. I went >into > >a treatment center for depression and I admitted to drinking a lot at >times > >when I got really sad, and I was told I needed to go to chemical >dependancy > >meetings and one thing led to another. I was vulnerable. I didn't have > >answers > >of my own, so I gave in. I feel like I've been living in a daze for the >past > >six > >months, and I've just come out of it. > > > > >I drank two beers last night, just to see what it would feel like. To >see >if > >I was > >as awful as they said I was. Hm. No lightening from the sky. It just >felt > >like > >two beers. Big fucking deal. It didn't feel great, it didn't feel >awful. > > If it didn't feel awful, that's good, your programming wasn't as deep >as some of ours. > A few years ago I was at a seminar by the company I worked for - >there was a pre-dinner reception with plenty of free alhohol, but there >was NO COFFEE. I had been programmed to feel that drinking coffee >would keep me sober... > Some of us here drink, and some of us have stayed abstinent since >leaving AA, but this is a personal decision. AA is not so much about >quitting drinking as it is about finding the God of Bill 's >understanding anyway. > > > > >I feel a bit hung over today, cause I never drank all that much to begin >with. > >I'm sorry, but self-medication isn't alcoholism. It just ISN'T. Yes, at > >times > >in my life, after people died, after traumas happened, I drank a lot. >Then > >I'd get fucking sick of drinking, pick myself up, and go on. But in AA >they > >told me that was a sure sign of alcoholism. Since I didn't know any >better I > >believed them. Now I disagree. I think they'll say anything to keep you > >there. > >Anything. > > That's an excellent observation.I sometimes heard words to the effect >that " I found that my sponsor and the people in these rooms would do >anything to help me recover from alcoholism. " > > >I feel like I just wasted six months of my life. I feel angry, and sad > >inside. I feel > >betrayed and scared like, how could I have fallen for that? I keep >running > >into > >them all over town, the AA people. They don't know I'm not coming to >meetings > >any more yet, so they smile and wave and do that weird wide-eyed " you're >one > >of us so > >I love you " kind of looks at me. I feel like buying booze everywhere I >go, > >and getting > >a bunch of booze tshirts just so they know I'm definitely NOT one of them >any > >more. I hate seeing them everywhere. I feel like I'm being watched. > > I felt a lot of this, and we've seen it all on this list. > > >I wonder when or if the phone calls will start. I'm thinking about just > >changing > >my phone number. > > Others have dealt with this, maybe they'll respond. By the time I >left I had been going to meetings for seven to nine years. I had bought >into it the first couple of years, thee rest of the time was learning >what AA was really like, chaning my mind about it, and digging out, and >basically becoming The Heretic From Hell. No one in AA called me in >probably the last five or six years. > > >I feel freaked out, and kind of lost but I also feel like a > >great > >weight has been lifted from me. > > > >The more I think about it all, the angrier I get. I can't believe >treatment > >facilities > >can just railroad people into this shit, and no one questions it. Let >alone > >courtrooms. > > Do you understand that court-ordered AA is a violation of the First >Amendment? This gets back to being political, but there are several >websites that discuss this such as Stanton Peele's http://www.peele.net>. > There are several websites started by subscribers and/or former >subscribers to this list (and unlike some other places, it's okay to >leave this list). A prominent one is http://www.aadeprogramming.com>. > > >I was told that it was okay that I didn't believe in god. Well, no, it > >wasn't okay. > > Did you get the " your higher power can be a doorknob " sales pitch? >In my last years I was saying things like " I couldn't have walked into >this building without the help of my higher power " , implying how I had to >turn the doorknob to open the door. > But yes, there are a lot of contraditions, some will say something >is okay, others will say it's not. > > >I'm kind of a goth/deathmetal person. I drive a hearse. I wear black >all > >the time. > >I like who I am. I was told that to be well I had to sell my car. I had >to > >change all > >my clothes, my music, everything. And yet they say " you can work your >own > >program, you > >can be who you want. " > > It's like what Henry Ford said about his car, " You can have any color >you like as long as it's black " - you can do anything you want as long >as the only thing you want to do is work the program. > > >Then they tried to foist me off on the biker faction, cause the bikers >wear > >black and look > >kinda like me. But I'm not a biker. I'm just me. > > An example of literal " black-and-white " thinking! > > > I felt like it was either > >change me, or > >constantly deal with the looks of pity and the lectures after the >meetings > >and the condescending > >tones. The accusations that I wasn't working my program. That I wasn't > >trying hard enough. > > > >I'm sorry. I'm rambling. Thanks for listening. > > We've all rambled and bitched, etc, etc, etc, ad nauseum, and a few >other Latin incantations about AA as well as a few off-topic things. >Feel free to say as much as you like. > >---------- >http://listen.to/benbradley _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2001 Report Share Posted October 5, 2001 > > And some have join with the intent of actually spying on certain > members and to gain information on them to slander them in > other online forums. so much for " no opinion on outside issues " . > Hi Dave, all- Not just online forums - but out in the community as well. Have talked with a few who tell whats floating around in those rooms and on the streets, both truths and rumors. Some talk is down right nasty. This has not helped with the thinking 'they are everywhere'. I knew when i left, that i had to be 'willing' to have the world know as much as 'they' did about me. Almost like being blackmailed...i said,fuck that--bring it on assholes, you ain't forcing me into no corner. My terms - rather have the world know, then them having yet still more power. That kind of thinking has helped to shake em off - to defuse. netty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2001 Report Share Posted October 5, 2001 Hey don't worry too much about the steppers that are lurking, for once in their lives they have to shut up. If they start talking and causing trouble here they will simply be booted out. You are safe here! kisses Tom Boy At 11:22 AM 05/10/01 -0400, KirinA14@... wrote: ok well. i'm successfully freaked out now. i need somewhere that is TRULY free of those fucks. thanks for listening, and for your input and understanding, those of you who responded. it's nice to know i'm not alone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2001 Report Share Posted October 5, 2001 Hey don't worry too much about the steppers that are lurking, for once in their lives they have to shut up. If they start talking and causing trouble here they will simply be booted out. You are safe here! kisses Tom Boy At 11:22 AM 05/10/01 -0400, KirinA14@... wrote: ok well. i'm successfully freaked out now. i need somewhere that is TRULY free of those fucks. thanks for listening, and for your input and understanding, those of you who responded. it's nice to know i'm not alone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2001 Report Share Posted October 5, 2001 Hey don't worry too much about the steppers that are lurking, for once in their lives they have to shut up. If they start talking and causing trouble here they will simply be booted out. You are safe here! kisses Tom Boy At 11:22 AM 05/10/01 -0400, KirinA14@... wrote: ok well. i'm successfully freaked out now. i need somewhere that is TRULY free of those fucks. thanks for listening, and for your input and understanding, those of you who responded. it's nice to know i'm not alone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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