Guest guest Posted January 20, 2006 Report Share Posted January 20, 2006 Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the diabetes group: Regarding Peripheral Neuropathy: o I believe that PN is TOTALY reversible if one keeps their blood sugar constantly in the normal range. o I believe that PN is PARTIALY reversible if one keeps their blood sugar constantly in the normal range. o I believe that PN is A LITTLE BIT reversible if one keeps their blood sugar constantly in the normal range. o I believe that PN is NOT reversible, but WILL NOT WORSEN if one keeps their blood sugar constantly in the normal range. o I think once the damage is done it is done. o I don't really know. To vote, please visit the following web page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/diabetes/surveys?id=2110987 Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups web site listed above. Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2006 Report Share Posted January 21, 2006 > > > Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the > diabetes group: > > Regarding Peripheral Neuropathy: > > o I believe that PN is TOTALY reversible if one keeps their blood sugar constantly in the normal range. > o I believe that PN is PARTIALY reversible if one keeps their blood sugar constantly in the normal range. > o I believe that PN is A LITTLE BIT reversible if one keeps their blood sugar constantly in the normal range. > o I believe that PN is NOT reversible, but WILL NOT WORSEN if one keeps their blood sugar constantly in the normal range. > o I think once the damage is done it is done. > o I don't really know. > > > To vote, please visit the following web page: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/diabetes/surveys?id=2110987 > > Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are > not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups > web site listed above. > > Thanks! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2006 Report Share Posted January 21, 2006 > > > Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the > diabetes group: > > Regarding Peripheral Neuropathy: > > o I believe that PN is TOTALY reversible if one keeps their blood sugar constantly in the normal range. > o I believe that PN is PARTIALY reversible if one keeps their blood sugar constantly in the normal range. > o I believe that PN is A LITTLE BIT reversible if one keeps their blood sugar constantly in the normal range. > o I believe that PN is NOT reversible, but WILL NOT WORSEN if one keeps their blood sugar constantly in the normal range. > o I think once the damage is done it is done. > o I don't really know. > > > To vote, please visit the following web page: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/diabetes/surveys?id=2110987 > > Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are > not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups > web site listed above. > > Thanks! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2006 Report Share Posted January 21, 2006 > > > Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the > diabetes group: > > Regarding Peripheral Neuropathy: > > o I believe that PN is TOTALY reversible if one keeps their blood sugar constantly in the normal range. > o I believe that PN is PARTIALY reversible if one keeps their blood sugar constantly in the normal range. > o I believe that PN is A LITTLE BIT reversible if one keeps their blood sugar constantly in the normal range. > o I believe that PN is NOT reversible, but WILL NOT WORSEN if one keeps their blood sugar constantly in the normal range. > o I think once the damage is done it is done. > o I don't really know. > > > To vote, please visit the following web page: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/diabetes/surveys?id=2110987 > > Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are > not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups > web site listed above. > > Thanks! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2006 Report Share Posted January 21, 2006 - > > > Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the > diabetes group: > > Regarding Peripheral Neuropathy: > > o I believe that PN is TOTALY reversible if one keeps their blood sugar constantly in the normal range. > o I believe that PN is PARTIALY reversible if one keeps their blood sugar constantly in the normal range. > o I believe that PN is A LITTLE BIT reversible if one keeps their blood sugar constantly in the normal range. > o I believe that PN is NOT reversible, but WILL NOT WORSEN if one keeps their blood sugar constantly in the normal range. > o I think once the damage is done it is done. > o I don't really know. > > > To vote, please visit the following web page: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/diabetes/surveys?id=2110987 > > Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are > not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups > web site listed above. > > Thanks! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2006 Report Share Posted January 21, 2006 - > > > Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the > diabetes group: > > Regarding Peripheral Neuropathy: > > o I believe that PN is TOTALY reversible if one keeps their blood sugar constantly in the normal range. > o I believe that PN is PARTIALY reversible if one keeps their blood sugar constantly in the normal range. > o I believe that PN is A LITTLE BIT reversible if one keeps their blood sugar constantly in the normal range. > o I believe that PN is NOT reversible, but WILL NOT WORSEN if one keeps their blood sugar constantly in the normal range. > o I think once the damage is done it is done. > o I don't really know. > > > To vote, please visit the following web page: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/diabetes/surveys?id=2110987 > > Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are > not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups > web site listed above. > > Thanks! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2006 Report Share Posted January 21, 2006 - > > > Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the > diabetes group: > > Regarding Peripheral Neuropathy: > > o I believe that PN is TOTALY reversible if one keeps their blood sugar constantly in the normal range. > o I believe that PN is PARTIALY reversible if one keeps their blood sugar constantly in the normal range. > o I believe that PN is A LITTLE BIT reversible if one keeps their blood sugar constantly in the normal range. > o I believe that PN is NOT reversible, but WILL NOT WORSEN if one keeps their blood sugar constantly in the normal range. > o I think once the damage is done it is done. > o I don't really know. > > > To vote, please visit the following web page: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/diabetes/surveys?id=2110987 > > Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are > not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups > web site listed above. > > Thanks! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2006 Report Share Posted January 21, 2006 > > > Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the > diabetes group: > > Regarding Peripheral Neuropathy: > > o I believe that PN is TOTALY reversible if one keeps their blood sugar constantly in the normal range. > o I believe that PN is PARTIALY reversible if one keeps their blood sugar constantly in the normal range. > o I believe that PN is A LITTLE BIT reversible if one keeps their blood sugar constantly in the normal range. > o I believe that PN is NOT reversible, but WILL NOT WORSEN if one keeps their blood sugar constantly in the normal range. > o I think once the damage is done it is done. > o I don't really know. > Kind of an odd thing to poll. It's a medical question that has a scientific answer. It's not a matter of what people believe. Ron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2006 Report Share Posted January 21, 2006 > > > Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the > diabetes group: > > Regarding Peripheral Neuropathy: > > o I believe that PN is TOTALY reversible if one keeps their blood sugar constantly in the normal range. > o I believe that PN is PARTIALY reversible if one keeps their blood sugar constantly in the normal range. > o I believe that PN is A LITTLE BIT reversible if one keeps their blood sugar constantly in the normal range. > o I believe that PN is NOT reversible, but WILL NOT WORSEN if one keeps their blood sugar constantly in the normal range. > o I think once the damage is done it is done. > o I don't really know. > Kind of an odd thing to poll. It's a medical question that has a scientific answer. It's not a matter of what people believe. Ron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2006 Report Share Posted January 21, 2006 I'm sorry Ron, but you could not be more wrong. It is very important for us here to let others know how we feel or what we believe works or helps us, etc. If you only listen to scientic studies, you would belive that margerine is good for you and eggs are bad for you. At least that was the thinking in the 80's. > > > > > > Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the > > diabetes group: > > > > Regarding Peripheral Neuropathy: > > > > o I believe that PN is TOTALY reversible if one keeps their > blood sugar constantly in the normal range. > > o I believe that PN is PARTIALY reversible if one keeps their > blood sugar constantly in the normal range. > > o I believe that PN is A LITTLE BIT reversible if one keeps > their blood sugar constantly in the normal range. > > o I believe that PN is NOT reversible, but WILL NOT WORSEN if > one keeps their blood sugar constantly in the normal range. > > o I think once the damage is done it is done. > > o I don't really know. > > > > Kind of an odd thing to poll. It's a medical question that has a > scientific answer. It's not a matter of what people believe. > > Ron > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2006 Report Share Posted January 21, 2006 I'm sorry Ron, but you could not be more wrong. It is very important for us here to let others know how we feel or what we believe works or helps us, etc. If you only listen to scientic studies, you would belive that margerine is good for you and eggs are bad for you. At least that was the thinking in the 80's. > > > > > > Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the > > diabetes group: > > > > Regarding Peripheral Neuropathy: > > > > o I believe that PN is TOTALY reversible if one keeps their > blood sugar constantly in the normal range. > > o I believe that PN is PARTIALY reversible if one keeps their > blood sugar constantly in the normal range. > > o I believe that PN is A LITTLE BIT reversible if one keeps > their blood sugar constantly in the normal range. > > o I believe that PN is NOT reversible, but WILL NOT WORSEN if > one keeps their blood sugar constantly in the normal range. > > o I think once the damage is done it is done. > > o I don't really know. > > > > Kind of an odd thing to poll. It's a medical question that has a > scientific answer. It's not a matter of what people believe. > > Ron > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2006 Report Share Posted January 21, 2006 I'm sorry Ron, but you could not be more wrong. It is very important for us here to let others know how we feel or what we believe works or helps us, etc. If you only listen to scientic studies, you would belive that margerine is good for you and eggs are bad for you. At least that was the thinking in the 80's. > > > > > > Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the > > diabetes group: > > > > Regarding Peripheral Neuropathy: > > > > o I believe that PN is TOTALY reversible if one keeps their > blood sugar constantly in the normal range. > > o I believe that PN is PARTIALY reversible if one keeps their > blood sugar constantly in the normal range. > > o I believe that PN is A LITTLE BIT reversible if one keeps > their blood sugar constantly in the normal range. > > o I believe that PN is NOT reversible, but WILL NOT WORSEN if > one keeps their blood sugar constantly in the normal range. > > o I think once the damage is done it is done. > > o I don't really know. > > > > Kind of an odd thing to poll. It's a medical question that has a > scientific answer. It's not a matter of what people believe. > > Ron > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2006 Report Share Posted January 21, 2006 > > I'm sorry Ron, but you could not be more wrong. It is very important > for us here to let others know how we feel or what we believe works > or helps us, etc. If you only listen to scientic studies, you would > belive that margerine is good for you and eggs are bad for you. At > least that was the thinking in the 80's. > > > It's that attitude that makes you a sucker for every snake oil salesman and con artist out there. They are long on slick talk, hyped " testimonials, " and short on science. What you are conducting here is a poorly designed clinical study of a very few people, many of whom may not even have personal experience with peripheral neuropathy. What's the point of someone saying that they don't believe controlling blood sugar helps neuropathy? Their " opinion " has absolutely no value. There are already plenty of studies that show it often does, and even plenty of people here who can " testify " that it does. For someone to say they don't believe it does is ridiculous because it is simply not true. Science sometimes is not right, but it is an orderly ongoing process of acquiring knowledge. However, " opinion " is of no value when trying to answer questions of fact. It's reasonable to ask a group of people with peripheral neuropathy if they have been improved by controlling their blood sugar. That is collecting data, which can then hopefully yield a conclusion. Asking people whether they " believe " controlling blood sugar helps PN is no different than asking people if they " believe " the moon is made of green cheese. Science has proven that not to be true. People can still " believe " the moon is made of green cheese or that controlling blood sugar never helps PN, but their " opinion " is worthless. We don't try to answer questions of fact with beliefs. Ron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2006 Report Share Posted January 21, 2006 > > I'm sorry Ron, but you could not be more wrong. It is very important > for us here to let others know how we feel or what we believe works > or helps us, etc. If you only listen to scientic studies, you would > belive that margerine is good for you and eggs are bad for you. At > least that was the thinking in the 80's. > > > It's that attitude that makes you a sucker for every snake oil salesman and con artist out there. They are long on slick talk, hyped " testimonials, " and short on science. What you are conducting here is a poorly designed clinical study of a very few people, many of whom may not even have personal experience with peripheral neuropathy. What's the point of someone saying that they don't believe controlling blood sugar helps neuropathy? Their " opinion " has absolutely no value. There are already plenty of studies that show it often does, and even plenty of people here who can " testify " that it does. For someone to say they don't believe it does is ridiculous because it is simply not true. Science sometimes is not right, but it is an orderly ongoing process of acquiring knowledge. However, " opinion " is of no value when trying to answer questions of fact. It's reasonable to ask a group of people with peripheral neuropathy if they have been improved by controlling their blood sugar. That is collecting data, which can then hopefully yield a conclusion. Asking people whether they " believe " controlling blood sugar helps PN is no different than asking people if they " believe " the moon is made of green cheese. Science has proven that not to be true. People can still " believe " the moon is made of green cheese or that controlling blood sugar never helps PN, but their " opinion " is worthless. We don't try to answer questions of fact with beliefs. Ron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2006 Report Share Posted January 21, 2006 > > I'm sorry Ron, but you could not be more wrong. It is very important > for us here to let others know how we feel or what we believe works > or helps us, etc. If you only listen to scientic studies, you would > belive that margerine is good for you and eggs are bad for you. At > least that was the thinking in the 80's. > > > It's that attitude that makes you a sucker for every snake oil salesman and con artist out there. They are long on slick talk, hyped " testimonials, " and short on science. What you are conducting here is a poorly designed clinical study of a very few people, many of whom may not even have personal experience with peripheral neuropathy. What's the point of someone saying that they don't believe controlling blood sugar helps neuropathy? Their " opinion " has absolutely no value. There are already plenty of studies that show it often does, and even plenty of people here who can " testify " that it does. For someone to say they don't believe it does is ridiculous because it is simply not true. Science sometimes is not right, but it is an orderly ongoing process of acquiring knowledge. However, " opinion " is of no value when trying to answer questions of fact. It's reasonable to ask a group of people with peripheral neuropathy if they have been improved by controlling their blood sugar. That is collecting data, which can then hopefully yield a conclusion. Asking people whether they " believe " controlling blood sugar helps PN is no different than asking people if they " believe " the moon is made of green cheese. Science has proven that not to be true. People can still " believe " the moon is made of green cheese or that controlling blood sugar never helps PN, but their " opinion " is worthless. We don't try to answer questions of fact with beliefs. Ron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2006 Report Share Posted January 21, 2006 Ron is, of course, quite right. However, if the purpose of the survey is not to establish a scientific fact, but to determine what people believe, then the survey can be very valuable indeed. Surveys of this sort are conducted all the time. This is, for example, how we find out what percentage of people believe that evolution is false. A survey of this kind tells us nothing about whether evolution is " true. " It does provide us with information about people's beliefs. In this group survey's case, if we find out that a significant number of people believe that peripheral neuropathy is absolutely irreversible, we know that we're not getting the message out properly. ron42nm wrote: > It's that attitude that makes you a sucker for every snake oil > salesman and con artist out there. They are long on slick talk, > hyped " testimonials, " and short on science. What you are conducting > here is a poorly designed clinical study of a very few people, many of > whom may not even have personal experience with peripheral > neuropathy. What's the point of someone saying that they don't > believe controlling blood sugar helps neuropathy? Their " opinion " has > absolutely no value. There are already plenty of studies that show it > often does, and even plenty of people here who can " testify " that it > does. For someone to say they don't believe it does is ridiculous > because it is simply not true. > > Science sometimes is not right, but it is an orderly ongoing process > of acquiring knowledge. However, " opinion " is of no value when trying > to answer questions of fact. It's reasonable to ask a group of people > with peripheral neuropathy if they have been improved by controlling > their blood sugar. That is collecting data, which can then hopefully > yield a conclusion. Asking people whether they " believe " controlling > blood sugar helps PN is no different than asking people if > they " believe " the moon is made of green cheese. Science has proven > that not to be true. People can still " believe " the moon is made of > green cheese or that controlling blood sugar never helps PN, but > their " opinion " is worthless. > > We don't try to answer questions of fact with beliefs. > > Ron > > -- J.P. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2006 Report Share Posted January 21, 2006 Ron is, of course, quite right. However, if the purpose of the survey is not to establish a scientific fact, but to determine what people believe, then the survey can be very valuable indeed. Surveys of this sort are conducted all the time. This is, for example, how we find out what percentage of people believe that evolution is false. A survey of this kind tells us nothing about whether evolution is " true. " It does provide us with information about people's beliefs. In this group survey's case, if we find out that a significant number of people believe that peripheral neuropathy is absolutely irreversible, we know that we're not getting the message out properly. ron42nm wrote: > It's that attitude that makes you a sucker for every snake oil > salesman and con artist out there. They are long on slick talk, > hyped " testimonials, " and short on science. What you are conducting > here is a poorly designed clinical study of a very few people, many of > whom may not even have personal experience with peripheral > neuropathy. What's the point of someone saying that they don't > believe controlling blood sugar helps neuropathy? Their " opinion " has > absolutely no value. There are already plenty of studies that show it > often does, and even plenty of people here who can " testify " that it > does. For someone to say they don't believe it does is ridiculous > because it is simply not true. > > Science sometimes is not right, but it is an orderly ongoing process > of acquiring knowledge. However, " opinion " is of no value when trying > to answer questions of fact. It's reasonable to ask a group of people > with peripheral neuropathy if they have been improved by controlling > their blood sugar. That is collecting data, which can then hopefully > yield a conclusion. Asking people whether they " believe " controlling > blood sugar helps PN is no different than asking people if > they " believe " the moon is made of green cheese. Science has proven > that not to be true. People can still " believe " the moon is made of > green cheese or that controlling blood sugar never helps PN, but > their " opinion " is worthless. > > We don't try to answer questions of fact with beliefs. > > Ron > > -- J.P. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2006 Report Share Posted January 21, 2006 Ron is, of course, quite right. However, if the purpose of the survey is not to establish a scientific fact, but to determine what people believe, then the survey can be very valuable indeed. Surveys of this sort are conducted all the time. This is, for example, how we find out what percentage of people believe that evolution is false. A survey of this kind tells us nothing about whether evolution is " true. " It does provide us with information about people's beliefs. In this group survey's case, if we find out that a significant number of people believe that peripheral neuropathy is absolutely irreversible, we know that we're not getting the message out properly. ron42nm wrote: > It's that attitude that makes you a sucker for every snake oil > salesman and con artist out there. They are long on slick talk, > hyped " testimonials, " and short on science. What you are conducting > here is a poorly designed clinical study of a very few people, many of > whom may not even have personal experience with peripheral > neuropathy. What's the point of someone saying that they don't > believe controlling blood sugar helps neuropathy? Their " opinion " has > absolutely no value. There are already plenty of studies that show it > often does, and even plenty of people here who can " testify " that it > does. For someone to say they don't believe it does is ridiculous > because it is simply not true. > > Science sometimes is not right, but it is an orderly ongoing process > of acquiring knowledge. However, " opinion " is of no value when trying > to answer questions of fact. It's reasonable to ask a group of people > with peripheral neuropathy if they have been improved by controlling > their blood sugar. That is collecting data, which can then hopefully > yield a conclusion. Asking people whether they " believe " controlling > blood sugar helps PN is no different than asking people if > they " believe " the moon is made of green cheese. Science has proven > that not to be true. People can still " believe " the moon is made of > green cheese or that controlling blood sugar never helps PN, but > their " opinion " is worthless. > > We don't try to answer questions of fact with beliefs. > > Ron > > -- J.P. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2006 Report Share Posted January 21, 2006 The survey is not any different than if he asked the group how many people have had something go away with treatment or not and people posted their answers - just a more controlled way for them to see what the answers were. If you don't like or want to participate in the survey, then you don't have to. Sandy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2006 Report Share Posted January 21, 2006 The survey is not any different than if he asked the group how many people have had something go away with treatment or not and people posted their answers - just a more controlled way for them to see what the answers were. If you don't like or want to participate in the survey, then you don't have to. Sandy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2006 Report Share Posted January 21, 2006 The survey is not any different than if he asked the group how many people have had something go away with treatment or not and people posted their answers - just a more controlled way for them to see what the answers were. If you don't like or want to participate in the survey, then you don't have to. Sandy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2006 Report Share Posted January 21, 2006 > > The survey is not any different than if he asked the group how many people have had something go away with treatment or not and people posted their answers - just a more controlled way for them to see what the answers were. > When it comes to self-care of our diabetes, as with many things in life, the only real tool we have is knowledge. The poll is very, very different from " if he asked the group how many people have had something go away with treatment or not and people posted their answers... " He didn't ask that at all. He didn't ask people's personal experience. He asked if they " believed " it would work in themselves and others. Asking people with periperal neuropathy if they had improvement when they controlled their blood sugar is a very reasonable question to ask. That would be a reasonable poll to do. It provides some information - limited, but information nonetheless. Asking people if they ***believe*** controlling blood sugar improves PN, whether they have had PN or not, or in other words, do they " believe " it works for people other than themselves, is useless. They only know their own experience, which is not what they are being asked about. To answer questions of fact, you need to collect facts. If, for example, you were concerned about a short circuit in your house, would you go out on the street and ask passersby if they " believed " you had a short circuit? Or would you call an electrician (a scientist of a sort) to come and inspect your wiring (collect data), and determine for a fact whether you did or not? There is the possibility the electrician is wrong, but which would be more likely to be correct, the electrician or the passersby? Ron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2006 Report Share Posted January 21, 2006 > > The survey is not any different than if he asked the group how many people have had something go away with treatment or not and people posted their answers - just a more controlled way for them to see what the answers were. > When it comes to self-care of our diabetes, as with many things in life, the only real tool we have is knowledge. The poll is very, very different from " if he asked the group how many people have had something go away with treatment or not and people posted their answers... " He didn't ask that at all. He didn't ask people's personal experience. He asked if they " believed " it would work in themselves and others. Asking people with periperal neuropathy if they had improvement when they controlled their blood sugar is a very reasonable question to ask. That would be a reasonable poll to do. It provides some information - limited, but information nonetheless. Asking people if they ***believe*** controlling blood sugar improves PN, whether they have had PN or not, or in other words, do they " believe " it works for people other than themselves, is useless. They only know their own experience, which is not what they are being asked about. To answer questions of fact, you need to collect facts. If, for example, you were concerned about a short circuit in your house, would you go out on the street and ask passersby if they " believed " you had a short circuit? Or would you call an electrician (a scientist of a sort) to come and inspect your wiring (collect data), and determine for a fact whether you did or not? There is the possibility the electrician is wrong, but which would be more likely to be correct, the electrician or the passersby? Ron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2006 Report Share Posted January 21, 2006 Wow....some of you people are amazing. First of all, this is in no way a scientific study or scientific poll. It was never meant to be. When I phrased the questions, I used the word BELIEVE in a broad sense. In other words in your OPINION or YOUR EXPERIENCE...blah...blah...blah. Check out other groups here on YAHOO and you will see nothing but questions of opinion or belief that something IS. And if you don't have PN, on my poll you could mark... I DON'T KNOW. Here is a poll that I found on a thyroid site on Yahoo: If you feel you are on a OPTIMAL DOSE of Armour, meaning you have NO MORE SYMPTOMS OF BEING HYPO (though you could still be working on other issues), check the amount below which most closely represents how much Armour you are taking... Ron, would you say that that was a scientific poll? You appear to be a scientist or someone who deals in FACT and not OPINION. Have you ever heard of an OPINION poll? I don't mean to sound like I am angry or shouting...but please lighten up. :-) > > > > I'm sorry Ron, but you could not be more wrong. It is very important > > for us here to let others know how we feel or what we believe works > > or helps us, etc. If you only listen to scientic studies, you would > > belive that margerine is good for you and eggs are bad for you. At > > least that was the thinking in the 80's. > > > > > > > > It's that attitude that makes you a sucker for every snake oil > salesman and con artist out there. They are long on slick talk, > hyped " testimonials, " and short on science. What you are conducting > here is a poorly designed clinical study of a very few people, many of > whom may not even have personal experience with peripheral > neuropathy. What's the point of someone saying that they don't > believe controlling blood sugar helps neuropathy? Their " opinion " has > absolutely no value. There are already plenty of studies that show it > often does, and even plenty of people here who can " testify " that it > does. For someone to say they don't believe it does is ridiculous > because it is simply not true. > > Science sometimes is not right, but it is an orderly ongoing process > of acquiring knowledge. However, " opinion " is of no value when trying > to answer questions of fact. It's reasonable to ask a group of people > with peripheral neuropathy if they have been improved by controlling > their blood sugar. That is collecting data, which can then hopefully > yield a conclusion. Asking people whether they " believe " controlling > blood sugar helps PN is no different than asking people if > they " believe " the moon is made of green cheese. Science has proven > that not to be true. People can still " believe " the moon is made of > green cheese or that controlling blood sugar never helps PN, but > their " opinion " is worthless. > > We don't try to answer questions of fact with beliefs. > > Ron > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2006 Report Share Posted January 21, 2006 Wow....some of you people are amazing. First of all, this is in no way a scientific study or scientific poll. It was never meant to be. When I phrased the questions, I used the word BELIEVE in a broad sense. In other words in your OPINION or YOUR EXPERIENCE...blah...blah...blah. Check out other groups here on YAHOO and you will see nothing but questions of opinion or belief that something IS. And if you don't have PN, on my poll you could mark... I DON'T KNOW. Here is a poll that I found on a thyroid site on Yahoo: If you feel you are on a OPTIMAL DOSE of Armour, meaning you have NO MORE SYMPTOMS OF BEING HYPO (though you could still be working on other issues), check the amount below which most closely represents how much Armour you are taking... Ron, would you say that that was a scientific poll? You appear to be a scientist or someone who deals in FACT and not OPINION. Have you ever heard of an OPINION poll? I don't mean to sound like I am angry or shouting...but please lighten up. :-) > > > > I'm sorry Ron, but you could not be more wrong. It is very important > > for us here to let others know how we feel or what we believe works > > or helps us, etc. If you only listen to scientic studies, you would > > belive that margerine is good for you and eggs are bad for you. At > > least that was the thinking in the 80's. > > > > > > > > It's that attitude that makes you a sucker for every snake oil > salesman and con artist out there. They are long on slick talk, > hyped " testimonials, " and short on science. What you are conducting > here is a poorly designed clinical study of a very few people, many of > whom may not even have personal experience with peripheral > neuropathy. What's the point of someone saying that they don't > believe controlling blood sugar helps neuropathy? Their " opinion " has > absolutely no value. There are already plenty of studies that show it > often does, and even plenty of people here who can " testify " that it > does. For someone to say they don't believe it does is ridiculous > because it is simply not true. > > Science sometimes is not right, but it is an orderly ongoing process > of acquiring knowledge. However, " opinion " is of no value when trying > to answer questions of fact. It's reasonable to ask a group of people > with peripheral neuropathy if they have been improved by controlling > their blood sugar. That is collecting data, which can then hopefully > yield a conclusion. Asking people whether they " believe " controlling > blood sugar helps PN is no different than asking people if > they " believe " the moon is made of green cheese. Science has proven > that not to be true. People can still " believe " the moon is made of > green cheese or that controlling blood sugar never helps PN, but > their " opinion " is worthless. > > We don't try to answer questions of fact with beliefs. > > Ron > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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