Guest guest Posted August 8, 2005 Report Share Posted August 8, 2005 Since yeast overgrowth is an issue for my 3yr son, does that mean I must eliminate all fruits (including juices) and honey from his diet? He currently drinks very diluted Welch's white grape juice (2oz juice/ 4oz water) about 3 times a day. And he has very minimal fruit during the day…I rotate apples and pears. Thanks, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2005 Report Share Posted August 8, 2005 some pears can be a bit yeast promoting, always peel them the comice pear i find ok i don't eat honey at all zinc is the number one anti-yeast mineral but it need supporting minerals and supplements, that is you can't just take it by itself. i have written up on this in 'minerals i take' and 'copper and zinc' in the index of http://tinyurl.com/2csa3 to do scd without houstonni enzymes is tying one hand behind your back > Since yeast overgrowth is an issue for my 3yr son, does that mean I must > eliminate all fruits (including juices) and honey from his diet? > > He currently drinks very diluted Welch's white grape juice (2oz juice/ 4oz > water) about 3 times a day. > > And he has very minimal fruit during the day…I rotate apples and pears. > > Thanks, > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 9, 2005 Report Share Posted August 9, 2005 hi this is is a personal thing, many ppl and children have recovered thru folllowing a low sugar low yeast diet for us we dont have fruit, i have found that my boys have lost all their behavioural symptoms as a result - we tried to introduce small amounts of pear a few weeks ago and it brought back all the behaviours - so we have pulled it again i am using natural anti candida preperations but i feel i will need to withhold fruit for at least 6 mths until i have got rid of it all elaine does not rec this however, she feels that altho fruit does feed the bacteria the eventual positives of well being will out weigh any possible negatives for my mind if my son has lost his negative behaviours then i wud like to keep it that way - esp if they are the result of bowel toxins - the less in there the better so its a personal choice - however i feel there is no point doing it unless u r going to use other methods to fight the candida war hth kindest regards emma as scd 4 weeks kai asd dspx 7 fian 2 as toekneeabc home@...> wrote: Since yeast overgrowth is an issue for my 3yr son, does that mean I must eliminate all fruits (including juices) and honey from his diet? He currently drinks very diluted Welch's white grape juice (2oz juice/ 4oz water) about 3 times a day. And he has very minimal fruit during the day…I rotate apples and pears. Thanks, For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book _Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following websites: http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info and http://www.pecanbread.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 9, 2005 Report Share Posted August 9, 2005 hi andrew i dont use houstini enzymes but i do canddigest - do u feel we sud be using other enzymes as well as these? thx emma andrew alevin@...> wrote: some pears can be a bit yeast promoting, always peel them the comice pear i find ok i don't eat honey at all zinc is the number one anti-yeast mineral but it need supporting minerals and supplements, that is you can't just take it by itself. i have written up on this in 'minerals i take' and 'copper and zinc' in the index of http://tinyurl.com/2csa3 to do scd without houstonni enzymes is tying one hand behind your back > Since yeast overgrowth is an issue for my 3yr son, does that mean I must > eliminate all fruits (including juices) and honey from his diet? > > He currently drinks very diluted Welch's white grape juice (2oz juice/ 4oz > water) about 3 times a day. > > And he has very minimal fruit during the day…I rotate apples and pears. > > Thanks, > For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book _Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following websites: http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info and http://www.pecanbread.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 9, 2005 Report Share Posted August 9, 2005 candigest looks to be an exact copy of candex as far as the types of enzymes go so its best used occasionally for yeast, sometimes in conjunction with oreganol if its used too regularly it can be depressing as it cleaves phenols the wrong way for them to be able to go onto dopamine no fenol is different. it cleaves the phenols the right way to go onto dopamine, but no fenol is not as effective against yeast as candex no fenol and candex can be swallowed in the capsule and may be most efficent swallowed in the capsule unlike zyme and pep anyway zyme and pep work differently, thier function is to assist with the digestion of actual food and at the same time they seem to knock bad bacteria back they are most effcicnet sprinkled on the food pep digests protein and zyme is more carbs they work well with scd except won't help with nuts THEY ARE THE SINGLE MOST IMPORTANT INNOVATION IN TWENTY OT THRITY YEARS OF SUPPLEMENTS the rice bran oil filler versions work best pep is not tolerated by some kids and afp pep might be but i prefer pep as the best classic zyme is the best zyme but contains bromelain which again some kids don't toleret but classic is the most powerful www.houstonni.com i think they will send sample packs if you phone basically they seem to short circuit the recovery process cause they step right in and knock back bad bacteria and yeast and provide nutrients so the body does not have to get to the point of doing this itself which can take years if ever you do need other things like omega3's, maybe omega 6 like efamol elfalex etc i feel any child can basically get there with enzymes and supps and scd if done the right way > > Since yeast overgrowth is an issue for my 3yr son, does that mean I > must > > eliminate all fruits (including juices) and honey from his diet? > > > > He currently drinks very diluted Welch's white grape juice (2oz > juice/ 4oz > > water) about 3 times a day. > > > > And he has very minimal fruit during the day…I rotate apples and > pears. > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book _Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following websites: > http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info > and > http://www.pecanbread.com > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 9, 2005 Report Share Posted August 9, 2005 hi andrew thx for ur reply i was wondering if kirkmans products cud be as effective particuarly the enzyme complete with isogest and the kirkmans peptidase complete i only ask - i dont have a huge amount of money and i can 25% discount on kirkman products - i sepnd roughly £200 a mth on supplements for the boys as it is and the enzymes will prob push it up another £100 thia kindest regards emma andrew alevin@...> wrote: candigest looks to be an exact copy of candex as far as the types of enzymes go so its best used occasionally for yeast, sometimes in conjunction with oreganol if its used too regularly it can be depressing as it cleaves phenols the wrong way for them to be able to go onto dopamine no fenol is different. it cleaves the phenols the right way to go onto dopamine, but no fenol is not as effective against yeast as candex no fenol and candex can be swallowed in the capsule and may be most efficent swallowed in the capsule unlike zyme and pep anyway zyme and pep work differently, thier function is to assist with the digestion of actual food and at the same time they seem to knock bad bacteria back they are most effcicnet sprinkled on the food pep digests protein and zyme is more carbs they work well with scd except won't help with nuts THEY ARE THE SINGLE MOST IMPORTANT INNOVATION IN TWENTY OT THRITY YEARS OF SUPPLEMENTS the rice bran oil filler versions work best pep is not tolerated by some kids and afp pep might be but i prefer pep as the best classic zyme is the best zyme but contains bromelain which again some kids don't toleret but classic is the most powerful www.houstonni.com i think they will send sample packs if you phone basically they seem to short circuit the recovery process cause they step right in and knock back bad bacteria and yeast and provide nutrients so the body does not have to get to the point of doing this itself which can take years if ever you do need other things like omega3's, maybe omega 6 like efamol elfalex etc i feel any child can basically get there with enzymes and supps and scd if done the right way > > Since yeast overgrowth is an issue for my 3yr son, does that mean I > must > > eliminate all fruits (including juices) and honey from his diet? > > > > He currently drinks very diluted Welch's white grape juice (2oz > juice/ 4oz > > water) about 3 times a day. > > > > And he has very minimal fruit during the day…I rotate apples and > pears. > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book _Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following websites: > http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info > and > http://www.pecanbread.com > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 9, 2005 Report Share Posted August 9, 2005 , thank you for the informative link. You mentiioned houstonni enzymes…I just started my son on SerenAid brand multi-enzymes…are you familiar with this brand? Are they just as effective? I noticed there are 3 SCD legal Houston enzymes listed on the pecan-site. How do I know which one is right for my son? Emma, thank you for your response as well. I might try eliminating all fruits too for a while. Thanks again, > > > some pears can be a bit yeast promoting, always peel them > > the comice pear i find ok > > i don't eat honey at all > > zinc is the number one anti-yeast mineral but it need supporting > minerals and supplements, that is you can't just take it by itself. > > i have written up on this in > > 'minerals i take' and 'copper and zinc' in the index of > http://tinyurl.com/2csa3 > > to do scd without houstonni enzymes is tying one hand behind your back > > > > > Since yeast overgrowth is an issue for my 3yr son, does that mean I > must > > eliminate all fruits (including juices) and honey from his diet? > > > > He currently drinks very diluted Welch's white grape juice (2oz > juice/ 4oz > > water) about 3 times a day. > > > > And he has very minimal fruit during the day…I rotate apples and > pears. > > > > Thanks, > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 9, 2005 Report Share Posted August 9, 2005 i have tried some of the kirkmans enzymes and reading other parents reports there is a consensus they don't really work sometimes you get comments on the enzymes and autism board http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/EnzymesandAutism/ enzyme formulation is an art and devin houston (Phd) has the flair and experience to design enzymes that can be taken for long periods, be effective and no side effects, and kirkmans enzymes in the large are not good copies of his products with supplements the rule is you go for the product that suits, there no latitude to go for things that only half work and in the end its cheaper anyway......... i would say something in the order of 90% of parents spend about three or four times more than they need to spend on supplements with little better effect than poisoning the child then the rest of the money goes on waste of time tests and doctors fees i have actually got very cyncial about the whole business seeing the parental attitudes and the habit message board owners have of banning me if i say what they don't want to know............... its obvious you never read any of what i have written up, its all way cut down doses of form and brand specfic supps for synergies between supplements to get the effects .............. apart from enzymes i can't see that you could spend more than thirty pounds a month per person on supps and i spend way less than that................... > hi andrew thx for ur reply > > i was wondering if kirkmans products cud be as effective particuarly the enzyme complete with isogest and the kirkmans peptidase complete > > i only ask - i dont have a huge amount of money and i can 25% discount on kirkman products - i sepnd roughly £200 a mth on supplements for the boys as it is and the enzymes will prob push it up another £100 > > thia > > kindest regards emma > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 9, 2005 Report Share Posted August 9, 2005 the houstonni enzymes come with either the microcrsytalline cellulose filler or the rice bran oil filler both are scd legal however the rice bran oil filler works WAY better this is what experience has shown and the reason why is not clear i can't remember wether i started with classic zyme or pep, might have been zyme then after a while i got brave enough to order pep............ so just start slowly, don't go the whole hog and get a feel for it and if theres a problem you haven't wasted a lot of money i haven't tried the serenaid but i have been using the houstonni for maybe four or five years now and i think thats really telling you what the story is. > , thank you for the informative link. You mentiioned houstonni > enzymes…I just started my son on SerenAid brand multi-enzymes…are you > familiar with this brand? Are they just as effective? I noticed there are 3 SCD > legal Houston enzymes listed on the pecan-site. How do I know which one is > right for my son? > > Emma, thank you for your response as well. I might try eliminating all fruits too > for a while. > > Thanks again, > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 9, 2005 Report Share Posted August 9, 2005 magnesium oxide is a super yeast and bacteria feeder mag glycinate lowers blood pressure too much and is depressing i have written up on what forms work, the douglas labs mag taurate and mag chelate, there may be other suitable mags but mag oxide is not one, main use would be for cosntipation but msm is a better way to go there. 99% of the supplements on the markets are designed and marketed by idiots, most of what you can buy is stupid, its that simple. the nutrisorb traceminerals is two wrongs, inorganic/elemental forms of the minerals instead of organic, and liquid would be a great yeast feeder, no wonder you need heaps of candex the body can only absorb a tiny amount of iron at time, most likely you could cut the lactoferrin way way down to a tiny dose three times a day if they are short of iron efamol efalex is a good fish oil again i bet you have an inorganic zinc which will cause problems with yeast do you see by supplementing without enough attention to detail that you are creating more problems than you are solving? i have watched for years mothers poisoning thier kids with too much zinc of the wrong form and lacking cofactor minerals and for my pains of pointing this out i am banned from posting on four autism boards, one of which is an scd boord. you are in rough waters and it takes a lot of attention to steer out cause veryone else is just in it for the money or and you need to be very very careful generally it becomes apparent when copper is needed, like zinc making for a loss of energy and depression which may be very soon after starting zinc methionine supps can help with digestive efficency and bile they also can remove heavy metals and greatly improve mood, brain function and blood sugar you cannot really understand supplements unless you take them yourself ita a lifelong work and the parents are as in much in need as the children in my experience, especially the mums who often have very impaired reasoning ablities and energy levels from toxicity or malnourishement of various sorts. a mum with toxicity issues cannot help her child effectively. > thx andrew, > > i have read what uve said - ive had to start supplementing with magneium as both boys are deficient both suffer night cramps which have diminished since taking, i noted what u said about maganese and have supplemented with that too with nutrisorb trace minerals > > see i am taking notice !! ;-) > > candex alone costs us £80 a mth - i use this as well fian cant use it and uses lactoferrin as does kai thats another £30 a mth - we also supplement efas which have way helped kai thats nigh on £80 a mth as well (for both boys) - using scd legal nordic naturals clo and arctic omega plus zinc and trace minerals (£10 and £15 respectively) - also msm - taken ur advice on that and am supplementing 1/4 tsp once a day instead of large amounts as previous, the magnesium we are using is magneisum oxide and neither have presented problems with this so far but am looking into swopping with glycinate or perhaps combining > > we do need zinc as the boys both suck their fingers if i dont supplement it - we use nutrisorb for this - im assuming at the mo that they are therefore deficient, however i wud like to ask sud i start supplementing with copper as well? or wait until they appear to be no longer deficient ie no white spots and no finger sucking > > do ppl only use supplements if their children appear to have bm issues or do they use them even if stools appear okay, and if stools are ok, will their use affect this? > > thia > > kindest regards > > emma > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2005 Report Share Posted August 10, 2005 all the different organic magnesium chelates have different effects like magensium glycinate seems to lower blood pressure and be depressing while mag taurate helps the heart and bile decent mag chelates seem to help enzymes this is a new one to me Ethanolamine Phosphate ester (eap) have you tried it? it would be interesting to know what pathways it amplifyed or what the downsides were. what was the effect bascially. > hi andrew sorry another possibility may be biocares magnesium eap2 > this is an organic form > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2005 Report Share Posted August 10, 2005 this is the thing thing people are always claiming thier children are helped but 9 times out of ten the advice is very suspect they intend well but they are just to scattered and see a bit of an improvement in a direction without weighting the whole ok the basic advance in mineral supplements over the last 15 years has been good amino acid chelates avaliable this is a mineral bonded to a transporter molecule, like magnesium taurate is magnesium bonded to taurine and the body is able to transport it quickly across the gut into the blood inorganic minerals are the same as used in garden fertiliser, are very accessiable to gut baceteria and yeast and poorly absorbed so if you take magensium oxide, most sits in the gut all the way through and feeds bad bacteria and yeast all the way, hence its laxative effect form bacterial overgrowth and metabolites the nutrisorb trace minerals has inorganic molybdenum in which is a particulalry bad yeast and bacteria feeder yeast are plants and its just like feeding them with garden fertiliser on the other hand the douglas labs chelated molybdenum cut down for weight is super supplement for improving phenol processing and helping with migraine this new eu directive on supplements is bad news because it bans organic minerals and only permits inorganic ones in fact when elaine gottschall was developing scd all the minerals were inorganic and she really gave up on them cause the effect was on balance bad but with the recent improvements in organic mineral chelates mineral supplementation can be very effective........... interesting to read that the eu effectively forced wheat in the uk to come from the selenium deficent areas of central europe instead of the higher selenium wheat from canda which would help explain why health in the uk is SO BAD (was in the uk and scotland several years ago - walking autism so to speak......... scotland was chronic) > thx once again > > aggh its a minefield - some very respected ppl had referred the nutrisorb to me as they founf it very helpful with their children > > i have looked at your pages - but i dont understand wht inorganic/elemental forms feed yeast > > thia > > emma > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2005 Report Share Posted August 10, 2005 all the liquid supplements are trouble cause of the preservatives they need to be loaded with to stop them going off where did i say i recommened it? i certainly do not, what i recommend is the source naturals optizinc tablets cut down with the rest of the mienrlas it needs as cofactors; selenium, copper etc. all the minerals you have listed are inorganic excpet the chromium picolinate chromium picolinate is no good cause it causes mania and damages dna, the chromium gtf yeasts are ok and i use the solaray chromium gtf yeats (the yeast is killed) you wil have to get most of the supplements from the usa, i do and its not expensive except for postage what is the brand of lactoferrin you use? the magnesium chloride fumerate is inorganic and no doubt and excellent garden fertilising mineral. > hi andrew again > > i have been reading through all your info again - i have found it quite difficult assimilating it all > > ive looked now at liquizinc as you said many ppl have found it helpful > > to support it therefore, im looking at possibly - > > epd trace minerals - allergy research group > > selenium as sodium selenite at 150 mcg > copper as copper citrate at 2mg > manganese as manganese citrate at 6mg > chromium as chromium picolinate at 300 mcg > molybdenum as ammonium molybdate at 300 mcg > > do you think these are suitable? > > when you say small amounts of lactoferrin how much wud u reccommend? > > from what you say magnesium taurate would be the most suitable - im not happy with the chelate idea - hydrolysed vegetable protein - and clearly citrate, oxide and glycinate are out > > ive also been told of another magnesium source - Magnesium Chloride Fumarate - which may prove useful? you have not mentioned this type and i wonder if this may be suitable? > > thia > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2005 Report Share Posted August 10, 2005 lord. this gets harder, would this any good? copper gluconate? andrew alevin@...> wrote: all the liquid supplements are trouble cause of the preservatives they need to be loaded with to stop them going off where did i say i recommened it? i certainly do not, what i recommend is the source naturals optizinc tablets cut down with the rest of the mienrlas it needs as cofactors; selenium, copper etc. all the minerals you have listed are inorganic excpet the chromium picolinate chromium picolinate is no good cause it causes mania and damages dna, the chromium gtf yeasts are ok and i use the solaray chromium gtf yeats (the yeast is killed) you wil have to get most of the supplements from the usa, i do and its not expensive except for postage what is the brand of lactoferrin you use? the magnesium chloride fumerate is inorganic and no doubt and excellent garden fertilising mineral. > hi andrew again > > i have been reading through all your info again - i have found it quite difficult assimilating it all > > ive looked now at liquizinc as you said many ppl have found it helpful > > to support it therefore, im looking at possibly - > > epd trace minerals - allergy research group > > selenium as sodium selenite at 150 mcg > copper as copper citrate at 2mg > manganese as manganese citrate at 6mg > chromium as chromium picolinate at 300 mcg > molybdenum as ammonium molybdate at 300 mcg > > do you think these are suitable? > > when you say small amounts of lactoferrin how much wud u reccommend? > > from what you say magnesium taurate would be the most suitable - im not happy with the chelate idea - hydrolysed vegetable protein - and clearly citrate, oxide and glycinate are out > > ive also been told of another magnesium source - Magnesium Chloride Fumarate - which may prove useful? you have not mentioned this type and i wonder if this may be suitable? > > thia > For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book _Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following websites: http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info and http://www.pecanbread.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2005 Report Share Posted August 10, 2005 or perhaps this 1? this is biocare mineral complex all eap magnesium 80mg zinc 14mg manganese 3mg silicon 500ug copper 200ug molybdenum 150ug chromium 100 ug selenium 100 ug ???? Emma eeejay174@...> wrote: lord. this gets harder, would this any good? copper gluconate? andrew alevin@...> wrote: all the liquid supplements are trouble cause of the preservatives they need to be loaded with to stop them going off where did i say i recommened it? i certainly do not, what i recommend is the source naturals optizinc tablets cut down with the rest of the mienrlas it needs as cofactors; selenium, copper etc. all the minerals you have listed are inorganic excpet the chromium picolinate chromium picolinate is no good cause it causes mania and damages dna, the chromium gtf yeasts are ok and i use the solaray chromium gtf yeats (the yeast is killed) you wil have to get most of the supplements from the usa, i do and its not expensive except for postage what is the brand of lactoferrin you use? the magnesium chloride fumerate is inorganic and no doubt and excellent garden fertilising mineral. > hi andrew again > > i have been reading through all your info again - i have found it quite difficult assimilating it all > > ive looked now at liquizinc as you said many ppl have found it helpful > > to support it therefore, im looking at possibly - > > epd trace minerals - allergy research group > > selenium as sodium selenite at 150 mcg > copper as copper citrate at 2mg > manganese as manganese citrate at 6mg > chromium as chromium picolinate at 300 mcg > molybdenum as ammonium molybdate at 300 mcg > > do you think these are suitable? > > when you say small amounts of lactoferrin how much wud u reccommend? > > from what you say magnesium taurate would be the most suitable - im not happy with the chelate idea - hydrolysed vegetable protein - and clearly citrate, oxide and glycinate are out > > ive also been told of another magnesium source - Magnesium Chloride Fumarate - which may prove useful? you have not mentioned this type and i wonder if this may be suitable? > > thia > For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book _Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following websites: http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info and http://www.pecanbread.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2005 Report Share Posted August 10, 2005 hi andrew how does this sound to you? so in theory the following supplementation programme should suit the boys? zymeprime introduced slowly for 1 mth adding in AFP peptizyde the following month then no fenol the month after candigest for kai - 1 capsule a day lactoferrin for kai and fian - 1/2 capsule divided into 2 doses biocare multimineral eap complex 1/2 capsule a day magnesium eap 1/2 capsule a day i also aim to introduce caprylic acid when their stools have settled to be given at the same time as candigest i will continue with nordic naturals cod liver oil and arctic omega as i have only seen benefits with this and i think thats enough for anyone!! thanks so much for your input - its so hard to get this right and i truely appreciate all the feedback kindest regards emma Emma eeejay174@...> wrote: or perhaps this 1? this is biocare mineral complex all eap magnesium 80mg zinc 14mg manganese 3mg silicon 500ug copper 200ug molybdenum 150ug chromium 100 ug selenium 100 ug ???? Emma eeejay174@...> wrote: lord. this gets harder, would this any good? copper gluconate? andrew alevin@...> wrote: all the liquid supplements are trouble cause of the preservatives they need to be loaded with to stop them going off where did i say i recommened it? i certainly do not, what i recommend is the source naturals optizinc tablets cut down with the rest of the mienrlas it needs as cofactors; selenium, copper etc. all the minerals you have listed are inorganic excpet the chromium picolinate chromium picolinate is no good cause it causes mania and damages dna, the chromium gtf yeasts are ok and i use the solaray chromium gtf yeats (the yeast is killed) you wil have to get most of the supplements from the usa, i do and its not expensive except for postage what is the brand of lactoferrin you use? the magnesium chloride fumerate is inorganic and no doubt and excellent garden fertilising mineral. > hi andrew again > > i have been reading through all your info again - i have found it quite difficult assimilating it all > > ive looked now at liquizinc as you said many ppl have found it helpful > > to support it therefore, im looking at possibly - > > epd trace minerals - allergy research group > > selenium as sodium selenite at 150 mcg > copper as copper citrate at 2mg > manganese as manganese citrate at 6mg > chromium as chromium picolinate at 300 mcg > molybdenum as ammonium molybdate at 300 mcg > > do you think these are suitable? > > when you say small amounts of lactoferrin how much wud u reccommend? > > from what you say magnesium taurate would be the most suitable - im not happy with the chelate idea - hydrolysed vegetable protein - and clearly citrate, oxide and glycinate are out > > ive also been told of another magnesium source - Magnesium Chloride Fumarate - which may prove useful? you have not mentioned this type and i wonder if this may be suitable? > > thia > For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book _Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following websites: http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info and http://www.pecanbread.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2005 Report Share Posted August 10, 2005 you are planning too much and not allowing for trial and error this is the problem with education these days and why kids are better home schooled, is that the education system just makes zombies unable to problem solve in the real world cause the real world isn't like a teacher saying yes and no yeah i would start with zyme for a while and try and get samples of pep and afp pep to see if the pep is tolerated and which gives the best effect dunno how soon no fenol should be started. if you are using candex you should probably be using no fenol as well the lactoferrin may be a total waste of time hard to say. you could go right down to say 1/8th of a cap twice a day but as i say lactoferrin may not be very useful......... candigest/candex should not be taken too consistently imo since you are so at sea i would get stuck into the hostonni enzymes i have no idea how satisfactory the eap chelates are , they may be totally unsuitable and i suspect they are since they never have caught on, they are not new............. " i will continue with nordic naturals cod liver oil and arctic omega as i have only seen benefits with this " see you can tell if something works! why settle for less with the rest? you just can't assume things will work and have to try them i have written up on copper and zinc in my compendium, wasn't really that rapt with copper gluconate, i use the solgar copper chelate and source naturals copepr sebacate (copper sebacate is the only inorganic mineral i take apart from 250 mcg diluted iodine on my arm twice a day) > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2005 Report Share Posted August 10, 2005 --Did you mean depressing to blood pressure or that it can cause depression? Thanks. I always enjoy your posts. --- andrew alevin@...> wrote: > > like magensium glycinate seems to lower blood > pressure and be > depressing > ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2005 Report Share Posted August 10, 2005 both i think, though low blood pressure may be a bit causative of depression > > > > > > like magensium glycinate seems to lower blood > > pressure and be > > depressing > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________ > Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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