ear piercing

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<<Has anyone else made a decision to pierce ears?  What are the dangers,

if any, of contracting hepatitis from ear piercing?>>

Generally, in the US, (at least in Ohio) they pierce the ears with the

earrings that you buy, there is no separate needle. The earrings are

all sealed and not opened until you walk in and buy them and sit down to

have your ears pierced. I have my own piercing gun and a supply of

earrings so I do my own daughters' ears, however this was not a cheap

buy so I don't recommend it.

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I'm actually quite fascinated by people's desire to get their children's

ears pierced earlier and earlier. I regularly see young toddlers with

pierced ears here in the UK and I cannot understand this trend. Is it

something cultural perhaps? Or religious? Perhaps someone could enlighten

me why they have their children's ears pierced?

I had mine pierced when I was 18, in the days when those who did it had to

be trained properly and be licensed to do it. Well, it is a surgical

procedure because you are making a hole in the body, so why not? Mine were

not too bad, but the one wasn't pierced quite straight and I often have

problems putting earrings in that ear.

However, approaching it from a different angle, if I had the time over I

would not repeat the procedure, even for the sake of fashion. I am not sure

whether the procedure actually affects the energy flow in the auricular

acupoints and if it does, then I wonder if it is capable of causing health

disturbances? It's something I've often speculated about because I notice

certain things in myself and my own health that have only caused me problems

since puncturing this energy flow.

Just my thoughts....

Sue

p.s. Can everyone please remember to snip posts?

<respectfully snipped>

>

> I think way too often this procedure is done because of the

> parent's choice and not the child. It should be their own

> choice, it's a hole in their body there forever. And even if

> they are old enough to ask for it like my daughter even then it

> doesn't mean they are ready. In retrospect I wish we had waited.

> Just my .02 after much thought on the subject.

>

> Melyssa

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I can't really answer WHY people do it. For me, it would be to put pretty

earrings in her ears and because I'm excited to have a girl after having a

son for 6 years,,,finally being able to do " girly " things. Plus, most girls

seem to want their ears pierced when they are older. But, others pierce

their son's ears so they have a different reason.

Pam

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Behalf Of Mum2mishka

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Vaccinations

Subject: RE: Ear Piercing

I'm actually quite fascinated by people's desire to get their children's

ears pierced earlier and earlier. I regularly see young toddlers with

pierced ears here in the UK and I cannot understand this trend. Is it

something cultural perhaps? Or religious? Perhaps someone could enlighten

me why they have their children's ears pierced?

_____

[Guest guest]

I have peirced my girls early, because I get tired of

people telling me how handsome the baby was...

It may sound silly, but in the US I think that a lot

of parents do it for that reason. Plus the younger

they are the less afraid and painful it is. I heard

that the cartiledge is much softer in that part of the

ear and less painful. If you wait until they older

they are more apt not to sit still and it may be more

painful since the cartiledge has hardened.

just my 2cents

Jackie B

--- Pamela Potter

<pamelapotter@...> wrote:

> I can't really answer WHY people do it. For me, it

> would be to put pretty

> earrings in her ears and because I'm excited to have

> a girl after having a

> son for 6 years,,,finally being able to do " girly "

> things. Plus, most girls

> seem to want their ears pierced when they are older.

> But, others pierce

> their son's ears so they have a different reason.

>

>

>

> Pam

>

>

>

> _____

>

> From: Vaccinations

> [mailto:Vaccinations ] On

> Behalf Of Mum2mishka

> Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2005 11:50 AM

> Vaccinations

> Subject: RE: Ear Piercing

>

>

>

> I'm actually quite fascinated by people's desire to

> get their children's

> ears pierced earlier and earlier. I regularly see

> young toddlers with

> pierced ears here in the UK and I cannot understand

> this trend. Is it

> something cultural perhaps? Or religious? Perhaps

> someone could enlighten

> me why they have their children's ears pierced?

>

>

>

> _____

>

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>

" When we give government

the power to make medical decisions

for us, we, in essence, accept that

the state owns our bodies. "

~U.S.Representative Ron , MD

The Nuremberg Code (to which NZ is a signatory) describes Informed Choice as:

- A choice made on the basis of adequate information concerning research and all

available alternatives.

- A choice made without controlling influences such as force, fraud, deceit,

duress, over-reaching or other forms of constraint or coercion.

Does this not apply to us?

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

The holes are so tiny and you don't have to use them

when you get older. I never seen an adult upset that

the mom pierced her ears. It just my opinion, but

there is so many other things to think about.

one set of peirced ears I don't think has ever harmed

anyone.

Now I do object if parents decided to do more than one

set of piercing, that I think should be up to the

child.

Jackie B.

--- Mum2mishka <mum2mishka@...> wrote:

> I'm actually quite fascinated by people's desire to

> get their children's

> ears pierced earlier and earlier. I regularly see

> young toddlers with

> pierced ears here in the UK and I cannot understand

> this trend. Is it

> something cultural perhaps? Or religious? Perhaps

> someone could enlighten

> me why they have their children's ears pierced?

>

> I had mine pierced when I was 18, in the days when

> those who did it had to

> be trained properly and be licensed to do it. Well,

> it is a surgical

> procedure because you are making a hole in the body,

> so why not? Mine were

> not too bad, but the one wasn't pierced quite

> straight and I often have

> problems putting earrings in that ear.

>

> However, approaching it from a different angle, if

> I had the time over I

> would not repeat the procedure, even for the sake of

> fashion. I am not sure

> whether the procedure actually affects the energy

> flow in the auricular

> acupoints and if it does, then I wonder if it is

> capable of causing health

> disturbances? It's something I've often speculated

> about because I notice

> certain things in myself and my own health that have

> only caused me problems

> since puncturing this energy flow.

>

> Just my thoughts....

>

> Sue

>

> p.s. Can everyone please remember to snip posts?

>

>

> <respectfully snipped>

> >

> > I think way too often this procedure is done

> because of the

> > parent's choice and not the child. It should be

> their own

> > choice, it's a hole in their body there forever.

> And even if

> > they are old enough to ask for it like my daughter

> even then it

> > doesn't mean they are ready. In retrospect I wish

> we had waited.

> > Just my .02 after much thought on the subject.

> >

> > Melyssa

>

>

>

" When we give government

the power to make medical decisions

for us, we, in essence, accept that

the state owns our bodies. "

~U.S.Representative Ron , MD

The Nuremberg Code (to which NZ is a signatory) describes Informed Choice as:

- A choice made on the basis of adequate information concerning research and all

available alternatives.

- A choice made without controlling influences such as force, fraud, deceit,

duress, over-reaching or other forms of constraint or coercion.

Does this not apply to us?

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Thanks, Jackie and Pam. That's understandable! )

Sue

>

>

> I have peirced my girls early, because I get tired of

> people telling me how handsome the baby was...

>

> It may sound silly, but in the US I think that a lot

> of parents do it for that reason. Plus the younger

> they are the less afraid and painful it is. I heard

> that the cartiledge is much softer in that part of the

> ear and less painful. If you wait until they older

> they are more apt not to sit still and it may be more

> painful since the cartiledge has hardened.

>

> just my 2cents

>

> Jackie B

>

> --- Pamela Potter

> <pamelapotter@...> wrote:

>

> > I can't really answer WHY people do it. For me, it

> > would be to put pretty

> > earrings in her ears and because I'm excited to have

> > a girl after having a

> > son for 6 years,,,finally being able to do " girly "

> > things. Plus, most girls

> > seem to want their ears pierced when they are older.

> > But, others pierce

> > their son's ears so they have a different reason.

> >

> >

> >

> > Pam

> >

> >

> >

> > _____

> >

> > From: Vaccinations

> > [mailto:Vaccinations ] On

> > Behalf Of Mum2mishka

> > Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2005 11:50 AM

> > Vaccinations

> > Subject: RE: Ear Piercing

> >

> >

> >

> > I'm actually quite fascinated by people's desire to

> > get their children's

> > ears pierced earlier and earlier. I regularly see

> > young toddlers with

> > pierced ears here in the UK and I cannot understand

> > this trend. Is it

> > something cultural perhaps? Or religious? Perhaps

> > someone could enlighten

> > me why they have their children's ears pierced?

> >

> >

> >

> > _____

> >

> >

> >

> > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > removed]

> >

> >

>

>

> " When we give government

> the power to make medical decisions

> for us, we, in essence, accept that

> the state owns our bodies. "

> ~U.S.Representative Ron , MD

>

>

>

>

> The Nuremberg Code (to which NZ is a signatory) describes

> Informed Choice as:

> - A choice made on the basis of adequate information concerning

> research and all available alternatives.

> - A choice made without controlling influences such as force,

> fraud, deceit, duress, over-reaching or other forms of constraint

> or coercion.

>

>

> Does this not apply to us?

>

>

>

>

>

>

> __________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

I know someone. My friend . She didn't like the fact that she didn't

have a choice in the matter. She didn't wear earrings because of her allergy

to metal but her earholes wouldn't close.

My daughter has an allergy to metal as well. We got them done at 9 months of

age. She can only use 14k Gold or higher or plastic. We thought she had

infections (because I wasn't cleaning it more than 2x's a day) Her holes

grew away from the metal and enlarged and didn't resolve until we took the

hypoallergic earrings out.

I wouldn't do it to a child of mine now after the experiences with Liv and

. If my new baby wants to get it done she/he can do it when they are

of an age where they understand the risks, and have the desire to do it

themselves. I also think it is a matter of informed consent.

V. married to Mark since October 2002 Sebastian or Violet

liese Due November 25th!! A closed mind is a WONDERFUL thing to lose.-

Unknown AlternativeMama

RE: Ear Piercing

> The holes are so tiny and you don't have to use them

> when you get older. I never seen an adult upset that

> the mom pierced her ears. It just my opinion, but

> there is so many other things to think about.

>

> one set of peirced ears I don't think has ever harmed

> anyone.

>

> Now I do object if parents decided to do more than one

> set of piercing, that I think should be up to the

> child.

>

> Jackie B.

[Guest guest]

This is certainly something to think about. Anyone know an accupressurist

or accupuncturist who can help with this? Myself, I wait til the girls are

old enough to decide for themselves and with , she was 5 and we had

bith ears done at once. She had backed out a few times and although I

wanted it done, we waited on her timing. Oh, frell, I hear a bat. Hope it's

outside and not able to get in (altho they have been doinga good job finding

places to get in!)

Laurie>Oh

whether the procedure actually affects the energy flow in the auricular

acupoints and if it does, then I wonder if it is capable of causing health

disturbances?

Sue

[Guest guest]

I pretty much don't care what people say - my little girl was mistaken

for a boy plenty of times, I just nodded and said thanks! Family and

friends, KNOW we have a girl, as far as other people are concerned -

who cares if they think my little boy is cute? I don't! (In fact

she gets dressed in her brothers clothing on a regular basis) Just not

an issue for me.

Chelly

> I have peirced my girls early, because I get tired of

> people telling me how handsome the baby was...

>

> It may sound silly, but in the US I think that a lot

> of parents do it for that reason. Plus the younger

> they are the less afraid and painful it is. I heard

> that the cartiledge is much softer in that part of the

> ear and less painful. If you wait until they older

> they are more apt not to sit still and it may be more

> painful since the cartiledge has hardened.

>

> just my 2cents

>

> Jackie B

>

[Guest guest]

can alyssa have her ears pierced with a helmet or will i have to take

them out?!?

[Guest guest]

It shouldn't be a problem. Most helmets (especially STARband, Hanger

and DOC band) do not cover the ear lobe.

na, DOC Grad X2, Feb 04, Tort Resolved

Kiersten, DOC Grad 4/4/06, Tort Resolved

www.thefilyaws.com/plagio/plagio.html

>

> can alyssa have her ears pierced with a helmet or will i have to

take

> them out?!?

>

[Guest guest]

My baby had pierced ears while she was banded.

-- In Plagiocephaly , " " <monicash@...> wrote:

>

> It shouldn't be a problem. Most helmets (especially STARband, Hanger

> and DOC band) do not cover the ear lobe.

>

>

> na, DOC Grad X2, Feb 04, Tort Resolved

> Kiersten, DOC Grad 4/4/06, Tort Resolved

> www.thefilyaws.com/plagio/plagio.html

>

>

> >

> > can alyssa have her ears pierced with a helmet or will i have to

> take

> > them out?!?

> >

>

[Guest guest]

One thing I would recommend, from bad experience, is leave the original posts in

longer than they recommend. Clean them several times a day. Once you decide to

change to the non-original earrings still be vigilant for quite some time about

cleaning adn by switching from the cheaper quality earrings to the better ones

at night for awhile. Oh my, did joe have a bad experience. This is what her

doctor recommends.

e

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[Guest guest]

I have to chime in on this one. You all have me really thinking hard about

Hannah's experience with this. I'm wondering if this is all inter-related with

her immune system. Hannah got her ears pierced when she was quite young. I

think she was about 5 or 6 at the time. She did really well, smiled the whole

time. We cleaned them and turned them like crazy and never chose to change them

because she was so young. About 8-9 months after getting her ears pierced (we

were still cleaning them daily) I noticed a strange mole looking thing on the

back of her ear at the hole. Turns out we had to see a dermatologist to have it

removed, her body rejected the piercing. Three weeks later, same thing happened

to the other ear.

About 2 years ago we got the ok from the ped to try it again. Hannah was

begging and he said the worst thing that can happen is that the growths come

back. Guess what, 2 months after piercing, growths are back, twice the size

they were the first time and the ped had to slice them off. Makes me wonder if

this is related to an auto immune issue, is her body working over time.?

Any way no more ear piercing, EVER. And I certainly won't ever have to worry

about her having piercing in places that should never be pierced. LOL

Beth

bound for london <boundforlondon@...> wrote:

One thing I would recommend, from bad experience, is leave the

original posts in longer than they recommend. Clean them several times a day.

Once you decide to change to the non-original earrings still be vigilant for

quite some time about cleaning adn by switching from the cheaper quality

earrings to the better ones at night for awhile. Oh my, did joe have a bad

experience. This is what her doctor recommends.

e

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[Guest guest]

I've been reading the posts on ear piercing and so will add our experience. Our

bad experience is not related to the JRA but because we purchased small

earrings. Jaye had her ears pierced this past April. She did fine with

everything and so we bought her some new earrings. My older daughter is

allergic to most all metals so I decided to only get sterling silver or 14k gold

or better for Jaye. Last month one day Jaye called me from school,

( I always get a bad feeling when I see that phone number on the caller ID

during school hours). She said she needed me to come and check her earrings,

because one of them the back had gotten inside her ear. She said when she was

turing it she suddenly could not find the back. So off I went to the school and

sure enough it was inside her ear, but also was the other one. Well, we ended

up at the doctor's office that afternoon with outpatient surgery to remove the

earrings. He only had to slice open one of her ears, the second one he was able

to use some plyers/tweezers to get ahold of the back and pull it out. Well, now

Jaye is trying to decide if she wants to get her ears re-done. She is not

sure. After her begging me for three years nearly every week to get it done, now

it is not so important. As for my older daughter she has such allergies that

she just chooses to not wear them very often at all.

Veri & Jaye 12 poly

Re: Re:ear piercing

I have to chime in on this one. You all have me really thinking hard about

Hannah's experience with this. I'm wondering if this is all inter-related with

her immune system. Hannah got her ears pierced when she was quite young. I think

she was about 5 or 6 at the time. She did really well, smiled the whole time. We

cleaned them and turned them like crazy and never chose to change them because

she was so young. About 8-9 months after getting her ears pierced (we were still

cleaning them daily) I noticed a strange mole looking thing on the back of her

ear at the hole. Turns out we had to see a dermatologist to have it removed, her

body rejected the piercing. Three weeks later, same thing happened to the other

ear.

About 2 years ago we got the ok from the ped to try it again. Hannah was begging

and he said the worst thing that can happen is that the growths come back. Guess

what, 2 months after piercing, growths are back, twice the size they were the

first time and the ped had to slice them off. Makes me wonder if this is related

to an auto immune issue, is her body working over time.?

Any way no more ear piercing, EVER. And I certainly won't ever have to worry

about her having piercing in places that should never be pierced. LOL

Beth

bound for london <boundforlondon@...> wrote:

One thing I would recommend, from bad experience, is leave the original posts in

longer than they recommend. Clean them several times a day. Once you decide to

change to the non-original earrings still be vigilant for quite some time about

cleaning adn by switching from the cheaper quality earrings to the better ones

at night for awhile. Oh my, did joe have a bad experience. This is what her

doctor recommends.

e

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[Guest guest]

Anissa, what is your reason for taking your baby in for the so-called " well

visits " ? Not attacking, just asking.

Becca

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Here's one: seeing as the equipment is sterilized and likely has not had any

livestock pooping on it recently, is getting your ears pierced really more

dangerous than getting vaccinated with possibly contaminated vaccines?

Just the way my mind works...

Winnie

Ear Piercing

Vaccinations

> Discard last message if it came through...Yesterday, I took my

> daughter to the ped for her 6 month WBV and was asked if we were

> going to get shots. I politely declined and she left me alone.

> Later in the visit I proceeded to ask about the appropriate age

> to pierce my daughter's ears. The ped gave me a blank stare and

> mentioned that if I was going to pierce her ears, then she

> should get a tetanus shot. I think that's kinda bogus. Any

> thoughts???

> Anissa

>

>

[Guest guest]

nissamichele wrote:

> I think that's kinda bogus. Any thoughts???

>

It's COMPLETELY bogus. The tetanus toxin would (1) have to be on the

needle or instrument doing the piercing and (2) be left behind in a

non-oxygenated area (like a deep puncture wound that doesn't bleed).

Piercing is punching a hole, not a puncture wound.

I would really question why you would want a doctor who doesn't even

know how tetanus is transmitted! I mean, didn't he go to med school?

Bobbett

[Guest guest]

Ridiculous

Tetanus? For ear piercing??? All the equipment is sterilized. Never heard

*that* jewel before.

I don't pierce my baby's ears, I let/have them wait til they're 14/ but the

ear piercing place had a thing on their form about if the baby is this age,

about the hep shot

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[Guest guest]

Sad to think huh? and *we're* the ones that are threats to health??!

Nita (crew chief) and the crew: 16, Jon 14, 12, 10,

7, Christian (7/16/03 to 8/22/04), 3 and Isaac, 1

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to make them all yourself.

[Guest guest]

Becca to answer your question about why take my daughter to the ped for WBV...I

have a team of doctors...chiro, homeopath, and naturopath, but in NY,

naturopaths aren't recognized, which I think is crazy...go figure. My chiro &

homeopath will not replace the ped. Besides I've been using these doctors for

myself so they were already in place...I rarely go to an allopath...

Anissa

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[Guest guest]

This doesn't really answer your question re hepatitis - but this is something

interesting that people might want to consider before piercing ears. There is

a therapeutic modality called Auriculotherapy in which stimulation at different

points on the ear stimulates different parts of the body. If you poke a hole on

a part of the ear you may over stimulate or stress a particular body part...If

you are interested/care you can Google Auriculotherapy sometime.

>

> I have a daughter who is almost 11 months old. She is unvaxed with

> the exception of the Hib or Hep shot, whatever it is they give the

> babies in the hospital. This vax was not my choice. We are in the

> processing of adopting our daughter and that decision was not our's to

> make at that time. Anyway, I am interested in piercing her ears but

> concerned about doing it since she has not had the hep. shot. Has

> anyone else made a decision to pierce ears? What are the dangers, if

> any, of contracting hepatitis from ear piercing?

>

> Pam

>

[Guest guest]

I'll just let her make up her own mind when she gets older whether or not she

wants to pierce her ears.

As far as the Hep B shot, I don't have it and she's not sexually active, at

least that I know of...LOL...so forget about it!

Anissa

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