Guest guest Posted August 13, 2005 Report Share Posted August 13, 2005 I dont know how your senior center works but I know how a 110 unit senior apt complex with the senior program works. The shut ins get meals on wheels. Not sure about the carb counts in those. The rest of the seniors are offered either free lunch or if they are able can pay $1.50 lunch. A local organization called Senior Gleaners sponser this. They are non profit and accept donations from the local supermarkets. And they get them. I know from experience, (my girlfrind is the manager) that these seniors are all very very low income. They are on section 8 and lots of other programs that are offered to seniors. The food that is delivered and then distributed by the apt staff is probably very carbie. I remember chicken and pots and vegies, also meat loaf, fish, some of those kinds of meals. Altho when I use to work there for my friend, all I could see was little old folks getting a nice nutritional meal that for some was the only meal they were gonna get. We had diabetics there too. They just asked for more protein and less starch. We accomodated t hem. We waited on t hem brought their food to their tables, cleaned up later and they were the most grateful people I have ever seen. Not one person complained about the food. They were just happy to have some. Sometimes I think we need to get hit between the eyes about how fortunate we are. I know I sure am way better off than those little old seniors in town. Jan Haney Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2005 Report Share Posted August 13, 2005 I dont know how your senior center works but I know how a 110 unit senior apt complex with the senior program works. The shut ins get meals on wheels. Not sure about the carb counts in those. The rest of the seniors are offered either free lunch or if they are able can pay $1.50 lunch. A local organization called Senior Gleaners sponser this. They are non profit and accept donations from the local supermarkets. And they get them. I know from experience, (my girlfrind is the manager) that these seniors are all very very low income. They are on section 8 and lots of other programs that are offered to seniors. The food that is delivered and then distributed by the apt staff is probably very carbie. I remember chicken and pots and vegies, also meat loaf, fish, some of those kinds of meals. Altho when I use to work there for my friend, all I could see was little old folks getting a nice nutritional meal that for some was the only meal they were gonna get. We had diabetics there too. They just asked for more protein and less starch. We accomodated t hem. We waited on t hem brought their food to their tables, cleaned up later and they were the most grateful people I have ever seen. Not one person complained about the food. They were just happy to have some. Sometimes I think we need to get hit between the eyes about how fortunate we are. I know I sure am way better off than those little old seniors in town. Jan Haney Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2005 Report Share Posted August 13, 2005 I dont know how your senior center works but I know how a 110 unit senior apt complex with the senior program works. The shut ins get meals on wheels. Not sure about the carb counts in those. The rest of the seniors are offered either free lunch or if they are able can pay $1.50 lunch. A local organization called Senior Gleaners sponser this. They are non profit and accept donations from the local supermarkets. And they get them. I know from experience, (my girlfrind is the manager) that these seniors are all very very low income. They are on section 8 and lots of other programs that are offered to seniors. The food that is delivered and then distributed by the apt staff is probably very carbie. I remember chicken and pots and vegies, also meat loaf, fish, some of those kinds of meals. Altho when I use to work there for my friend, all I could see was little old folks getting a nice nutritional meal that for some was the only meal they were gonna get. We had diabetics there too. They just asked for more protein and less starch. We accomodated t hem. We waited on t hem brought their food to their tables, cleaned up later and they were the most grateful people I have ever seen. Not one person complained about the food. They were just happy to have some. Sometimes I think we need to get hit between the eyes about how fortunate we are. I know I sure am way better off than those little old seniors in town. Jan Haney Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2005 Report Share Posted August 13, 2005 When we visited my mother-in-law who lived in senior housing in 1981, I questioned the high starch content of the meals. I was told that seniors are very picky and the aim was to get as many calories into them as possible. Switch forward to 1995 and Modesto's " deluxe " convalescent hospital, where my mother was recovering after a hospitalization. Same high starch type menu. Same reason. My mother was a diabetic, they handled her with insulin, and we had several conferences because, in spite of their menu, she was losing weight. Something the state frowns on. I bet it is still the same today. Helen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2005 Report Share Posted August 13, 2005 When we visited my mother-in-law who lived in senior housing in 1981, I questioned the high starch content of the meals. I was told that seniors are very picky and the aim was to get as many calories into them as possible. Switch forward to 1995 and Modesto's " deluxe " convalescent hospital, where my mother was recovering after a hospitalization. Same high starch type menu. Same reason. My mother was a diabetic, they handled her with insulin, and we had several conferences because, in spite of their menu, she was losing weight. Something the state frowns on. I bet it is still the same today. Helen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2005 Report Share Posted August 13, 2005 Hi Sky If you decide to do something about this place wouldn't be a good idea to first find out if, in fact they following the ADA exchange plan? While it sure sounds like the ADA exchange plan it might be a dreamed up plan by a dietitian using the ADA exchange plan and calling it something else, like the place funded. If they admit that it is the ADA exchange plan they might be interested in the fact that the ADA no longer uses it, so why are they doing so. Asking them why they are feeding their tenants an outdated meal plan? I don't see the dietitians at this place being any better informed than the dietitians/nutritionists who claim to be experts in DM care. They probably have people residing there that have a multitude of problems, all requiring different diets and the menu you saw might not be the only one they use. Going in like gangbuster, like some suggest IMO will only shut them down. Bringing them a book does not guarantee that they will bother reading it. Sending a letter would be the best option for the employees at this place because if you are not there to talk to them, it makes it so much easier to toss the letter in the circular file and be done with it. Volunteering to teach a class in DM care and feeding, and I am assuming it would be for type II DM? Playing devil's advocate, here are some problems with that idea. 1- I respect you for saying you do not know enough to be effective. It is refreshing to hear that there are some list members who don't think they know it all. OTOH, as little as you think you know is still probably more than the person who made up that menu. 2- You don't know how this place distributes their operating costs and whether any suggestions you might have could be implemented. For all you know, the residents of this place might have been told that if they have type II DM they should not order a complete meal that is listed at more than 4 carbs. You can't assume that all the residents can figure out the numbers and how they translate (if it is the ADA exchange plan). After all, one post in response to your post said 5 exchanges at 15 carbs each exchange equaled 60 carbs. I am not a great example of having math talent but even I know 15 X 5 is 75. 3- You don't know what percentage of the residents are type II. Do you think they would only make up a menu for DMers and not consider cardiac patients, residents with allergies etc.? Please keep in mind that there are just too many questions that have not been answered as to how this place feeds DMers. Whether in fact there are Dmers residing there etc. If you feel you want to do something for this place, maybe you should know more about this place? Lastly, if you have been an in patient in a hospital recently what you saw at this place is not much different that what hospitals feed DMers. Once, on Luther King's birthday, I had the pleasure of spending 13 hours in a well respected hospital's ER. There were no beds available and I was stuck in this ER. Long after breakfast or lunch the head nurse came up to me and said she was sorry but she thought it a good idea to feed me something. I told her I was a type I and she said no problem. She was very proud of herself when she came back with a bag of potato chips and some fried chicken. I think it was chicken, with hospital food sometimes it is hard to tell. No insulin, no meter, no food to eat but they allowed one good thing. Patients could use their cell phones. I used my cell phone to call my husband at 9 PM and tell him to come get me before they killed me. He thought I was kidding but changed his mind when I signed myself out of that place. Good luck On Sat, 13 Aug 2005 08:35:07 -0400 Sky writes: > Hi, all. > > Yesterday I finally drove up to the local Senior Center to see what they > might have in the way of exercise classes (not much). I carried away their > brochure and, looking through it this morning, discovered their > weekly menu. > > Each of the 5 daily choices has a carb count at the bottom. Apparently > whoever does that has NO idea of how to count carbs. They mention that the > carb counts exclude desserts, but still, get a load of one of the > choices: > > Baked Chicken Breast with gravy > Summer Squash > Au Gratin Potatoes > Dinner roll > Brownie and Orange. > > Carbs: 5 > > Arrggghhhh. The highest carb count I see on any of the menus is 6, and > that's for a meal with ham, sweet potatoes, salad, corn bread, and apple > crisp or applesauce. > > I am going to donate an Atkins cookbook to their library. I sure wish I had > some carb count books to donate to it, but the ones I have are ones I'm > using. I wonder if it would do any good to talk to the staff there. > Surely they have diabetic members. Of course, they probably have diabetic members > who follow ADA (if anything) and are happy to let their doctor tell them > what to do. This is frustrating to me already and I'm wondering now if I > should just let it be or if I should try tilting at windmills for awhile. > > Thoughts? > > > -=sky=- > > Type 2 dx'd 9/04/04. > Low Carb, Metaformin XR (2500mg). > Other Meds: HTZ, Lipitor, Cozaar, > Topcol, Synthroid. > Supplements: B12, CoQ10, Omega 3, > L-Arginine, ALA, EPO, biotin, Policosanol > and some odd others. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2005 Report Share Posted August 13, 2005 Hi Sky If you decide to do something about this place wouldn't be a good idea to first find out if, in fact they following the ADA exchange plan? While it sure sounds like the ADA exchange plan it might be a dreamed up plan by a dietitian using the ADA exchange plan and calling it something else, like the place funded. If they admit that it is the ADA exchange plan they might be interested in the fact that the ADA no longer uses it, so why are they doing so. Asking them why they are feeding their tenants an outdated meal plan? I don't see the dietitians at this place being any better informed than the dietitians/nutritionists who claim to be experts in DM care. They probably have people residing there that have a multitude of problems, all requiring different diets and the menu you saw might not be the only one they use. Going in like gangbuster, like some suggest IMO will only shut them down. Bringing them a book does not guarantee that they will bother reading it. Sending a letter would be the best option for the employees at this place because if you are not there to talk to them, it makes it so much easier to toss the letter in the circular file and be done with it. Volunteering to teach a class in DM care and feeding, and I am assuming it would be for type II DM? Playing devil's advocate, here are some problems with that idea. 1- I respect you for saying you do not know enough to be effective. It is refreshing to hear that there are some list members who don't think they know it all. OTOH, as little as you think you know is still probably more than the person who made up that menu. 2- You don't know how this place distributes their operating costs and whether any suggestions you might have could be implemented. For all you know, the residents of this place might have been told that if they have type II DM they should not order a complete meal that is listed at more than 4 carbs. You can't assume that all the residents can figure out the numbers and how they translate (if it is the ADA exchange plan). After all, one post in response to your post said 5 exchanges at 15 carbs each exchange equaled 60 carbs. I am not a great example of having math talent but even I know 15 X 5 is 75. 3- You don't know what percentage of the residents are type II. Do you think they would only make up a menu for DMers and not consider cardiac patients, residents with allergies etc.? Please keep in mind that there are just too many questions that have not been answered as to how this place feeds DMers. Whether in fact there are Dmers residing there etc. If you feel you want to do something for this place, maybe you should know more about this place? Lastly, if you have been an in patient in a hospital recently what you saw at this place is not much different that what hospitals feed DMers. Once, on Luther King's birthday, I had the pleasure of spending 13 hours in a well respected hospital's ER. There were no beds available and I was stuck in this ER. Long after breakfast or lunch the head nurse came up to me and said she was sorry but she thought it a good idea to feed me something. I told her I was a type I and she said no problem. She was very proud of herself when she came back with a bag of potato chips and some fried chicken. I think it was chicken, with hospital food sometimes it is hard to tell. No insulin, no meter, no food to eat but they allowed one good thing. Patients could use their cell phones. I used my cell phone to call my husband at 9 PM and tell him to come get me before they killed me. He thought I was kidding but changed his mind when I signed myself out of that place. Good luck On Sat, 13 Aug 2005 08:35:07 -0400 Sky writes: > Hi, all. > > Yesterday I finally drove up to the local Senior Center to see what they > might have in the way of exercise classes (not much). I carried away their > brochure and, looking through it this morning, discovered their > weekly menu. > > Each of the 5 daily choices has a carb count at the bottom. Apparently > whoever does that has NO idea of how to count carbs. They mention that the > carb counts exclude desserts, but still, get a load of one of the > choices: > > Baked Chicken Breast with gravy > Summer Squash > Au Gratin Potatoes > Dinner roll > Brownie and Orange. > > Carbs: 5 > > Arrggghhhh. The highest carb count I see on any of the menus is 6, and > that's for a meal with ham, sweet potatoes, salad, corn bread, and apple > crisp or applesauce. > > I am going to donate an Atkins cookbook to their library. I sure wish I had > some carb count books to donate to it, but the ones I have are ones I'm > using. I wonder if it would do any good to talk to the staff there. > Surely they have diabetic members. Of course, they probably have diabetic members > who follow ADA (if anything) and are happy to let their doctor tell them > what to do. This is frustrating to me already and I'm wondering now if I > should just let it be or if I should try tilting at windmills for awhile. > > Thoughts? > > > -=sky=- > > Type 2 dx'd 9/04/04. > Low Carb, Metaformin XR (2500mg). > Other Meds: HTZ, Lipitor, Cozaar, > Topcol, Synthroid. > Supplements: B12, CoQ10, Omega 3, > L-Arginine, ALA, EPO, biotin, Policosanol > and some odd others. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2005 Report Share Posted August 13, 2005 Hi Sky If you decide to do something about this place wouldn't be a good idea to first find out if, in fact they following the ADA exchange plan? While it sure sounds like the ADA exchange plan it might be a dreamed up plan by a dietitian using the ADA exchange plan and calling it something else, like the place funded. If they admit that it is the ADA exchange plan they might be interested in the fact that the ADA no longer uses it, so why are they doing so. Asking them why they are feeding their tenants an outdated meal plan? I don't see the dietitians at this place being any better informed than the dietitians/nutritionists who claim to be experts in DM care. They probably have people residing there that have a multitude of problems, all requiring different diets and the menu you saw might not be the only one they use. Going in like gangbuster, like some suggest IMO will only shut them down. Bringing them a book does not guarantee that they will bother reading it. Sending a letter would be the best option for the employees at this place because if you are not there to talk to them, it makes it so much easier to toss the letter in the circular file and be done with it. Volunteering to teach a class in DM care and feeding, and I am assuming it would be for type II DM? Playing devil's advocate, here are some problems with that idea. 1- I respect you for saying you do not know enough to be effective. It is refreshing to hear that there are some list members who don't think they know it all. OTOH, as little as you think you know is still probably more than the person who made up that menu. 2- You don't know how this place distributes their operating costs and whether any suggestions you might have could be implemented. For all you know, the residents of this place might have been told that if they have type II DM they should not order a complete meal that is listed at more than 4 carbs. You can't assume that all the residents can figure out the numbers and how they translate (if it is the ADA exchange plan). After all, one post in response to your post said 5 exchanges at 15 carbs each exchange equaled 60 carbs. I am not a great example of having math talent but even I know 15 X 5 is 75. 3- You don't know what percentage of the residents are type II. Do you think they would only make up a menu for DMers and not consider cardiac patients, residents with allergies etc.? Please keep in mind that there are just too many questions that have not been answered as to how this place feeds DMers. Whether in fact there are Dmers residing there etc. If you feel you want to do something for this place, maybe you should know more about this place? Lastly, if you have been an in patient in a hospital recently what you saw at this place is not much different that what hospitals feed DMers. Once, on Luther King's birthday, I had the pleasure of spending 13 hours in a well respected hospital's ER. There were no beds available and I was stuck in this ER. Long after breakfast or lunch the head nurse came up to me and said she was sorry but she thought it a good idea to feed me something. I told her I was a type I and she said no problem. She was very proud of herself when she came back with a bag of potato chips and some fried chicken. I think it was chicken, with hospital food sometimes it is hard to tell. No insulin, no meter, no food to eat but they allowed one good thing. Patients could use their cell phones. I used my cell phone to call my husband at 9 PM and tell him to come get me before they killed me. He thought I was kidding but changed his mind when I signed myself out of that place. Good luck On Sat, 13 Aug 2005 08:35:07 -0400 Sky writes: > Hi, all. > > Yesterday I finally drove up to the local Senior Center to see what they > might have in the way of exercise classes (not much). I carried away their > brochure and, looking through it this morning, discovered their > weekly menu. > > Each of the 5 daily choices has a carb count at the bottom. Apparently > whoever does that has NO idea of how to count carbs. They mention that the > carb counts exclude desserts, but still, get a load of one of the > choices: > > Baked Chicken Breast with gravy > Summer Squash > Au Gratin Potatoes > Dinner roll > Brownie and Orange. > > Carbs: 5 > > Arrggghhhh. The highest carb count I see on any of the menus is 6, and > that's for a meal with ham, sweet potatoes, salad, corn bread, and apple > crisp or applesauce. > > I am going to donate an Atkins cookbook to their library. I sure wish I had > some carb count books to donate to it, but the ones I have are ones I'm > using. I wonder if it would do any good to talk to the staff there. > Surely they have diabetic members. Of course, they probably have diabetic members > who follow ADA (if anything) and are happy to let their doctor tell them > what to do. This is frustrating to me already and I'm wondering now if I > should just let it be or if I should try tilting at windmills for awhile. > > Thoughts? > > > -=sky=- > > Type 2 dx'd 9/04/04. > Low Carb, Metaformin XR (2500mg). > Other Meds: HTZ, Lipitor, Cozaar, > Topcol, Synthroid. > Supplements: B12, CoQ10, Omega 3, > L-Arginine, ALA, EPO, biotin, Policosanol > and some odd others. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2005 Report Share Posted August 13, 2005 At 01:44 PM 8/13/05, Neon wrote: >You're probably wasting your time talking to them. Especially any of >the food service people. I suggest writing a letter to the center's >director/manager or whatever the title is. It's a bit more difficult >to ignore a letter plus you'll have the time to compile your thoughts >into a concise whole. That's a thought. >If you're donating a book, why not the Bernstein cookbook? I have it. >It contains some interesting recipes. Recipes were developed by a >classically trained chef who has a diabetic kid. Well, if you want to donate a book for me to donate to them I'll send you either my address or theirs. I don't have the book. The one I'm donating is one I never use. Actually, I rarely use the other LC cookbook I have, either. I just don't need recipes to cook. Been doing it too long. sky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2005 Report Share Posted August 13, 2005 At 01:44 PM 8/13/05, Neon wrote: >You're probably wasting your time talking to them. Especially any of >the food service people. I suggest writing a letter to the center's >director/manager or whatever the title is. It's a bit more difficult >to ignore a letter plus you'll have the time to compile your thoughts >into a concise whole. That's a thought. >If you're donating a book, why not the Bernstein cookbook? I have it. >It contains some interesting recipes. Recipes were developed by a >classically trained chef who has a diabetic kid. Well, if you want to donate a book for me to donate to them I'll send you either my address or theirs. I don't have the book. The one I'm donating is one I never use. Actually, I rarely use the other LC cookbook I have, either. I just don't need recipes to cook. Been doing it too long. sky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2005 Report Share Posted August 13, 2005 At 01:44 PM 8/13/05, Neon wrote: >You're probably wasting your time talking to them. Especially any of >the food service people. I suggest writing a letter to the center's >director/manager or whatever the title is. It's a bit more difficult >to ignore a letter plus you'll have the time to compile your thoughts >into a concise whole. That's a thought. >If you're donating a book, why not the Bernstein cookbook? I have it. >It contains some interesting recipes. Recipes were developed by a >classically trained chef who has a diabetic kid. Well, if you want to donate a book for me to donate to them I'll send you either my address or theirs. I don't have the book. The one I'm donating is one I never use. Actually, I rarely use the other LC cookbook I have, either. I just don't need recipes to cook. Been doing it too long. sky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2005 Report Share Posted August 13, 2005 At 02:38 PM 8/13/05, Jan Haney wrote: >I dont know how your senior center works but I know how a 110 unit senior >apt complex with the senior program works. The shut ins get meals on >wheels. Not sure about the carb counts in those. The rest of the seniors >are offered either free lunch or if they are able can pay $1.50 lunch. A >local organization called Senior Gleaners sponser this. They are non >profit and accept donations from the local supermarkets. And they get >them. I know from experience, (my girlfrind is the manager) that these >seniors are all very very low income. They are on section 8 and lots of >other programs that are offered to seniors. The food that is delivered >and then distributed by the apt staff is probably very carbie. I remember >chicken and pots and vegies, also meat loaf, fish, some of those kinds >of meals. Altho when I use to work there for my friend, all I could see >was little old folks getting a nice nutritional meal that for some was the >only meal they were gonna get. We had diabetics there too. They just >asked for more protein and less starch. We accomodated t hem. We waited >on t hem brought their food to their tables, cleaned up later and they >were the most grateful people I have ever seen. Not one person complained >about the food. They were just happy to have some. Sometimes I think we >need to get hit between the eyes about how fortunate we are. I know I >sure am way better off than those little old seniors in town. Yes, that's a good point, Jan. This area could use a Senior Gleaners sort of program, I think. One local grocery store recently changed hands and I was checking out the big professional dumpster they rented as they redid lots of the shelves, etc. There was all sorts of food in there (unfortunately piled on top of some big gridwork display shelf sides I'd have liked to have gotten). What I saw was mostly bakery stuff, though...sugary things...so that wouldn't have been very good for anyone. sky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2005 Report Share Posted August 13, 2005 At 02:38 PM 8/13/05, Jan Haney wrote: >I dont know how your senior center works but I know how a 110 unit senior >apt complex with the senior program works. The shut ins get meals on >wheels. Not sure about the carb counts in those. The rest of the seniors >are offered either free lunch or if they are able can pay $1.50 lunch. A >local organization called Senior Gleaners sponser this. They are non >profit and accept donations from the local supermarkets. And they get >them. I know from experience, (my girlfrind is the manager) that these >seniors are all very very low income. They are on section 8 and lots of >other programs that are offered to seniors. The food that is delivered >and then distributed by the apt staff is probably very carbie. I remember >chicken and pots and vegies, also meat loaf, fish, some of those kinds >of meals. Altho when I use to work there for my friend, all I could see >was little old folks getting a nice nutritional meal that for some was the >only meal they were gonna get. We had diabetics there too. They just >asked for more protein and less starch. We accomodated t hem. We waited >on t hem brought their food to their tables, cleaned up later and they >were the most grateful people I have ever seen. Not one person complained >about the food. They were just happy to have some. Sometimes I think we >need to get hit between the eyes about how fortunate we are. I know I >sure am way better off than those little old seniors in town. Yes, that's a good point, Jan. This area could use a Senior Gleaners sort of program, I think. One local grocery store recently changed hands and I was checking out the big professional dumpster they rented as they redid lots of the shelves, etc. There was all sorts of food in there (unfortunately piled on top of some big gridwork display shelf sides I'd have liked to have gotten). What I saw was mostly bakery stuff, though...sugary things...so that wouldn't have been very good for anyone. sky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2005 Report Share Posted August 13, 2005 At 02:38 PM 8/13/05, Jan Haney wrote: >I dont know how your senior center works but I know how a 110 unit senior >apt complex with the senior program works. The shut ins get meals on >wheels. Not sure about the carb counts in those. The rest of the seniors >are offered either free lunch or if they are able can pay $1.50 lunch. A >local organization called Senior Gleaners sponser this. They are non >profit and accept donations from the local supermarkets. And they get >them. I know from experience, (my girlfrind is the manager) that these >seniors are all very very low income. They are on section 8 and lots of >other programs that are offered to seniors. The food that is delivered >and then distributed by the apt staff is probably very carbie. I remember >chicken and pots and vegies, also meat loaf, fish, some of those kinds >of meals. Altho when I use to work there for my friend, all I could see >was little old folks getting a nice nutritional meal that for some was the >only meal they were gonna get. We had diabetics there too. They just >asked for more protein and less starch. We accomodated t hem. We waited >on t hem brought their food to their tables, cleaned up later and they >were the most grateful people I have ever seen. Not one person complained >about the food. They were just happy to have some. Sometimes I think we >need to get hit between the eyes about how fortunate we are. I know I >sure am way better off than those little old seniors in town. Yes, that's a good point, Jan. This area could use a Senior Gleaners sort of program, I think. One local grocery store recently changed hands and I was checking out the big professional dumpster they rented as they redid lots of the shelves, etc. There was all sorts of food in there (unfortunately piled on top of some big gridwork display shelf sides I'd have liked to have gotten). What I saw was mostly bakery stuff, though...sugary things...so that wouldn't have been very good for anyone. sky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2005 Report Share Posted August 13, 2005 At 04:42 PM 8/13/05, V Samante wrote: >Hi Sky > >If you decide to do something about this place wouldn't be a good idea to >first find out if, in fact they following the ADA exchange plan? Yep. >They probably have people residing there that have a multitude of >problems, all requiring different diets and the menu you saw might not be >the only one they use. Oh, nobody lives there. It's a place for seniors to go to do crafts, use a very small library, play pool, play bingo, cards, etc. No lodging. >Going in like gangbuster, like some suggest IMO will only shut them down. I'm not in gangbuster mode lately. I'm more in " tch, what a shame, I hope someone else will do something about it. Probably just because I'm feeling a bit worn down from the move and still unpacking things. >Bringing them a book does not guarantee that they will bother reading it. I was bringing it for the library. Someone might check it out. I wonder if I could get some diabetic book authors...the good ones...to donate a book for the senior center. Saline is a small town. >Volunteering to teach a class in DM care and feeding, and I am assuming >it would be for type II DM? Playing devil's advocate, here are some >problems with that idea. yeah. I'm losing interest about as quickly as the windmill is growing in size. It now looks like it could do me some serious damage. sky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2005 Report Share Posted August 13, 2005 At 04:42 PM 8/13/05, V Samante wrote: >Hi Sky > >If you decide to do something about this place wouldn't be a good idea to >first find out if, in fact they following the ADA exchange plan? Yep. >They probably have people residing there that have a multitude of >problems, all requiring different diets and the menu you saw might not be >the only one they use. Oh, nobody lives there. It's a place for seniors to go to do crafts, use a very small library, play pool, play bingo, cards, etc. No lodging. >Going in like gangbuster, like some suggest IMO will only shut them down. I'm not in gangbuster mode lately. I'm more in " tch, what a shame, I hope someone else will do something about it. Probably just because I'm feeling a bit worn down from the move and still unpacking things. >Bringing them a book does not guarantee that they will bother reading it. I was bringing it for the library. Someone might check it out. I wonder if I could get some diabetic book authors...the good ones...to donate a book for the senior center. Saline is a small town. >Volunteering to teach a class in DM care and feeding, and I am assuming >it would be for type II DM? Playing devil's advocate, here are some >problems with that idea. yeah. I'm losing interest about as quickly as the windmill is growing in size. It now looks like it could do me some serious damage. sky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2005 Report Share Posted August 13, 2005 At 04:42 PM 8/13/05, V Samante wrote: >Hi Sky > >If you decide to do something about this place wouldn't be a good idea to >first find out if, in fact they following the ADA exchange plan? Yep. >They probably have people residing there that have a multitude of >problems, all requiring different diets and the menu you saw might not be >the only one they use. Oh, nobody lives there. It's a place for seniors to go to do crafts, use a very small library, play pool, play bingo, cards, etc. No lodging. >Going in like gangbuster, like some suggest IMO will only shut them down. I'm not in gangbuster mode lately. I'm more in " tch, what a shame, I hope someone else will do something about it. Probably just because I'm feeling a bit worn down from the move and still unpacking things. >Bringing them a book does not guarantee that they will bother reading it. I was bringing it for the library. Someone might check it out. I wonder if I could get some diabetic book authors...the good ones...to donate a book for the senior center. Saline is a small town. >Volunteering to teach a class in DM care and feeding, and I am assuming >it would be for type II DM? Playing devil's advocate, here are some >problems with that idea. yeah. I'm losing interest about as quickly as the windmill is growing in size. It now looks like it could do me some serious damage. sky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2005 Report Share Posted August 13, 2005 Sky, instead of *telling* them anything, could you just ask questions? Explain that you have diabetes and need to clarify what the numbers on the menu selections actually represent. It certainly seems to me that a meal containing either potatoes or pasta, plus bread, plus corn, would have way more than 5 carbs, so confusion reigns, and could they please explain it to you. I should think that any halfway knowledgeable newcomer to the senior center would have the same questions. But if, like the senior center near me, they are selling these meals for $2.00 a head, you won't get a low carb meal at that price. CarolR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2005 Report Share Posted August 13, 2005 Sky, instead of *telling* them anything, could you just ask questions? Explain that you have diabetes and need to clarify what the numbers on the menu selections actually represent. It certainly seems to me that a meal containing either potatoes or pasta, plus bread, plus corn, would have way more than 5 carbs, so confusion reigns, and could they please explain it to you. I should think that any halfway knowledgeable newcomer to the senior center would have the same questions. But if, like the senior center near me, they are selling these meals for $2.00 a head, you won't get a low carb meal at that price. CarolR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2005 Report Share Posted August 13, 2005 Don't you think that it is necessary to multiply the number of carbs by 15 to find out the amount of carbohydrates? Am I mistaken? ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- Reply-To: diabetes_int Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 08:35:07 -0400 >Hi, all. > >Yesterday I finally drove up to the local Senior Center to see what they >might have in the way of exercise classes (not much). I carried away their >brochure and, looking through it this morning, discovered their weekly menu. > >Each of the 5 daily choices has a carb count at the bottom. Apparently >whoever does that has NO idea of how to count carbs. They mention that the >carb counts exclude desserts, but still, get a load of one of the choices: > >Baked Chicken Breast with gravy >Summer Squash >Au Gratin Potatoes >Dinner roll >Brownie and Orange. > >Carbs: 5 > >Arrggghhhh. The highest carb count I see on any of the menus is 6, and >that's for a meal with ham, sweet potatoes, salad, corn bread, and apple >crisp or applesauce. > >I am going to donate an Atkins cookbook to their library. I sure wish I had >some carb count books to donate to it, but the ones I have are ones I'm >using. I wonder if it would do any good to talk to the staff there. Surely >they have diabetic members. Of course, they probably have diabetic members >who follow ADA (if anything) and are happy to let their doctor tell them >what to do. This is frustrating to me already and I'm wondering now if I >should just let it be or if I should try tilting at windmills for awhile. > >Thoughts? > > > -=sky=- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2005 Report Share Posted August 13, 2005 if it interests you, I have received such a list in hospital last week, together with the ideal menu... just have to translate it, it's in DUTCH language (Belgium) But before I start this work, would like to know if it's of any interest to you? take care, Carol a écrit : Sky, instead of *telling* them anything, could you just ask questions? Explain that you have diabetes and need to clarify what the numbers on the menu selections actually represent. It certainly seems to me that a meal containing either potatoes or pasta, plus bread, plus corn, would have way more than 5 carbs, so confusion reigns, and could they please explain it to you. I should think that any halfway knowledgeable newcomer to the senior center would have the same questions. But if, like the senior center near me, they are selling these meals for $2.00 a head, you won't get a low carb meal at that price. CarolR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2005 Report Share Posted August 13, 2005 At 06:23 PM 8/13/05, you wrote: >Sky, instead of *telling* them anything, could you just ask questions? >Explain that you have diabetes and need to clarify what the numbers on >the menu selections actually represent. It certainly seems to me that a >meal containing either potatoes or pasta, plus bread, plus corn, would >have way more than 5 carbs, so confusion reigns, and could they please >explain it to you. I should think that any halfway knowledgeable >newcomer to the senior center would have the same questions. But if, >like the senior center near me, they are selling these meals for $2.00 a >head, you won't get a low carb meal at that price. I don't know what they're selling them for. I really had no intentions of eating there. As mentioned, they don't seem to offer much of interest to me and I was mainly interested in what exercise programs they had. They have yoga. From the photos it's VERY low-key (folks leaning over onto tables). The exercise is the sort where you can sit in a chair and do it. While I'm not in the best shape, I think I need a bit more than that. I may wander by someday during a class and see if I can look in for a few minutes to get a feel for things. sky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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