Guest guest Posted August 13, 2005 Report Share Posted August 13, 2005 Double Aarghhh! for me! I think they are confusing " carbs " with " exchanges " as in the infamous ADA " Exchange-Diet " . Each exchange is 15 grams of carbs. So, that " 5 " is really 75 grams of carbs, not so un-typical for an ADA plan! Any possibility you could do a little education of those folks? They're literally killing people! OK, that's extreme, but they sure aren't helping them! BTW, this is the reason we don't eat at the Senior Center as all their meals are similar & high-carb. Carbs are cheap to buy, so it's unlikely the situation is going to change. , T2, etc......... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi, all. Yesterday I finally drove up to the local Senior Center to see what they might have in the way of exercise classes (not much). I carried away their brochure and, looking through it this morning, discovered their weekly menu. Each of the 5 daily choices has a carb count at the bottom. Apparently whoever does that has NO idea of how to count carbs. They mention that the carb counts exclude desserts, but still, get a load of one of the choices: Baked Chicken Breast with gravy Summer Squash Au Gratin Potatoes Dinner roll Brownie and Orange. Carbs: 5 Arrggghhhh. The highest carb count I see on any of the menus is 6, and that's for a meal with ham, sweet potatoes, salad, corn bread, and apple crisp or applesauce. I am going to donate an Atkins cookbook to their library. I sure wish I had some carb count books to donate to it, but the ones I have are ones I'm using. I wonder if it would do any good to talk to the staff there. Surely they have diabetic members. Of course, they probably have diabetic members who follow ADA (if anything) and are happy to let their doctor tell them what to do. This is frustrating to me already and I'm wondering now if I should just let it be or if I should try tilting at windmills for awhile. Thoughts? -=sky=- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2005 Report Share Posted August 13, 2005 Double Aarghhh! for me! I think they are confusing " carbs " with " exchanges " as in the infamous ADA " Exchange-Diet " . Each exchange is 15 grams of carbs. So, that " 5 " is really 75 grams of carbs, not so un-typical for an ADA plan! Any possibility you could do a little education of those folks? They're literally killing people! OK, that's extreme, but they sure aren't helping them! BTW, this is the reason we don't eat at the Senior Center as all their meals are similar & high-carb. Carbs are cheap to buy, so it's unlikely the situation is going to change. , T2, etc......... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi, all. Yesterday I finally drove up to the local Senior Center to see what they might have in the way of exercise classes (not much). I carried away their brochure and, looking through it this morning, discovered their weekly menu. Each of the 5 daily choices has a carb count at the bottom. Apparently whoever does that has NO idea of how to count carbs. They mention that the carb counts exclude desserts, but still, get a load of one of the choices: Baked Chicken Breast with gravy Summer Squash Au Gratin Potatoes Dinner roll Brownie and Orange. Carbs: 5 Arrggghhhh. The highest carb count I see on any of the menus is 6, and that's for a meal with ham, sweet potatoes, salad, corn bread, and apple crisp or applesauce. I am going to donate an Atkins cookbook to their library. I sure wish I had some carb count books to donate to it, but the ones I have are ones I'm using. I wonder if it would do any good to talk to the staff there. Surely they have diabetic members. Of course, they probably have diabetic members who follow ADA (if anything) and are happy to let their doctor tell them what to do. This is frustrating to me already and I'm wondering now if I should just let it be or if I should try tilting at windmills for awhile. Thoughts? -=sky=- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2005 Report Share Posted August 13, 2005 Double Aarghhh! for me! I think they are confusing " carbs " with " exchanges " as in the infamous ADA " Exchange-Diet " . Each exchange is 15 grams of carbs. So, that " 5 " is really 75 grams of carbs, not so un-typical for an ADA plan! Any possibility you could do a little education of those folks? They're literally killing people! OK, that's extreme, but they sure aren't helping them! BTW, this is the reason we don't eat at the Senior Center as all their meals are similar & high-carb. Carbs are cheap to buy, so it's unlikely the situation is going to change. , T2, etc......... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi, all. Yesterday I finally drove up to the local Senior Center to see what they might have in the way of exercise classes (not much). I carried away their brochure and, looking through it this morning, discovered their weekly menu. Each of the 5 daily choices has a carb count at the bottom. Apparently whoever does that has NO idea of how to count carbs. They mention that the carb counts exclude desserts, but still, get a load of one of the choices: Baked Chicken Breast with gravy Summer Squash Au Gratin Potatoes Dinner roll Brownie and Orange. Carbs: 5 Arrggghhhh. The highest carb count I see on any of the menus is 6, and that's for a meal with ham, sweet potatoes, salad, corn bread, and apple crisp or applesauce. I am going to donate an Atkins cookbook to their library. I sure wish I had some carb count books to donate to it, but the ones I have are ones I'm using. I wonder if it would do any good to talk to the staff there. Surely they have diabetic members. Of course, they probably have diabetic members who follow ADA (if anything) and are happy to let their doctor tell them what to do. This is frustrating to me already and I'm wondering now if I should just let it be or if I should try tilting at windmills for awhile. Thoughts? -=sky=- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2005 Report Share Posted August 13, 2005 In a message dated 8/13/05 9:29:05 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, skydancer9@... writes: >>>>>>> Baked Chicken Breast with gravy Summer Squash Au Gratin Potatoes Dinner roll Brownie and Orange. Carbs: 5 >>>>>>>>> Sounds to me like this is an exchange diet carb count. 5 carb choices @ 15 grams per choice for a total of 60 grams for this meal excepting dessert. Stacey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2005 Report Share Posted August 13, 2005 Hi, all. Yesterday I finally drove up to the local Senior Center to see what they might have in the way of exercise classes (not much). I carried away their brochure and, looking through it this morning, discovered their weekly menu. Each of the 5 daily choices has a carb count at the bottom. Apparently whoever does that has NO idea of how to count carbs. They mention that the carb counts exclude desserts, but still, get a load of one of the choices: Baked Chicken Breast with gravy Summer Squash Au Gratin Potatoes Dinner roll Brownie and Orange. Carbs: 5 Arrggghhhh. The highest carb count I see on any of the menus is 6, and that's for a meal with ham, sweet potatoes, salad, corn bread, and apple crisp or applesauce. I am going to donate an Atkins cookbook to their library. I sure wish I had some carb count books to donate to it, but the ones I have are ones I'm using. I wonder if it would do any good to talk to the staff there. Surely they have diabetic members. Of course, they probably have diabetic members who follow ADA (if anything) and are happy to let their doctor tell them what to do. This is frustrating to me already and I'm wondering now if I should just let it be or if I should try tilting at windmills for awhile. Thoughts? -=sky=- Type 2 dx'd 9/04/04. Low Carb, Metaformin XR (2500mg). Other Meds: HTZ, Lipitor, Cozaar, Topcol, Synthroid. Supplements: B12, CoQ10, Omega 3, L-Arginine, ALA, EPO, biotin, Policosanol and some odd others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2005 Report Share Posted August 13, 2005 It could be that instead of carb count, they're using ADA exchanges -- and each exchange stands for 15 carbs. (Although that still doesn't sound right.) But still, the wording definitely needs to be clarified. And yes, I think you should definitely tilt at this particular windmill, Sky. Vicki Senior Center menu > Hi, all. > > Yesterday I finally drove up to the local Senior Center to see what > they > might have in the way of exercise classes (not much). I carried away > their > brochure and, looking through it this morning, discovered their weekly > menu. > > Each of the 5 daily choices has a carb count at the bottom. Apparently > whoever does that has NO idea of how to count carbs. They mention that > the > carb counts exclude desserts, but still, get a load of one of the > choices: > > Baked Chicken Breast with gravy > Summer Squash > Au Gratin Potatoes > Dinner roll > Brownie and Orange. > > Carbs: 5 > > Arrggghhhh. The highest carb count I see on any of the menus is 6, > and > that's for a meal with ham, sweet potatoes, salad, corn bread, and > apple > crisp or applesauce. > > I am going to donate an Atkins cookbook to their library. I sure wish > I had > some carb count books to donate to it, but the ones I have are ones > I'm > using. I wonder if it would do any good to talk to the staff there. > Surely > they have diabetic members. Of course, they probably have diabetic > members > who follow ADA (if anything) and are happy to let their doctor tell > them > what to do. This is frustrating to me already and I'm wondering now if > I > should just let it be or if I should try tilting at windmills for > awhile. > > Thoughts? > > > -=sky=- > > Type 2 dx'd 9/04/04. > Low Carb, Metaformin XR (2500mg). > Other Meds: HTZ, Lipitor, Cozaar, > Topcol, Synthroid. > Supplements: B12, CoQ10, Omega 3, > L-Arginine, ALA, EPO, biotin, Policosanol > and some odd others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2005 Report Share Posted August 13, 2005 It could be that instead of carb count, they're using ADA exchanges -- and each exchange stands for 15 carbs. (Although that still doesn't sound right.) But still, the wording definitely needs to be clarified. And yes, I think you should definitely tilt at this particular windmill, Sky. Vicki Senior Center menu > Hi, all. > > Yesterday I finally drove up to the local Senior Center to see what > they > might have in the way of exercise classes (not much). I carried away > their > brochure and, looking through it this morning, discovered their weekly > menu. > > Each of the 5 daily choices has a carb count at the bottom. Apparently > whoever does that has NO idea of how to count carbs. They mention that > the > carb counts exclude desserts, but still, get a load of one of the > choices: > > Baked Chicken Breast with gravy > Summer Squash > Au Gratin Potatoes > Dinner roll > Brownie and Orange. > > Carbs: 5 > > Arrggghhhh. The highest carb count I see on any of the menus is 6, > and > that's for a meal with ham, sweet potatoes, salad, corn bread, and > apple > crisp or applesauce. > > I am going to donate an Atkins cookbook to their library. I sure wish > I had > some carb count books to donate to it, but the ones I have are ones > I'm > using. I wonder if it would do any good to talk to the staff there. > Surely > they have diabetic members. Of course, they probably have diabetic > members > who follow ADA (if anything) and are happy to let their doctor tell > them > what to do. This is frustrating to me already and I'm wondering now if > I > should just let it be or if I should try tilting at windmills for > awhile. > > Thoughts? > > > -=sky=- > > Type 2 dx'd 9/04/04. > Low Carb, Metaformin XR (2500mg). > Other Meds: HTZ, Lipitor, Cozaar, > Topcol, Synthroid. > Supplements: B12, CoQ10, Omega 3, > L-Arginine, ALA, EPO, biotin, Policosanol > and some odd others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2005 Report Share Posted August 13, 2005 It could be that instead of carb count, they're using ADA exchanges -- and each exchange stands for 15 carbs. (Although that still doesn't sound right.) But still, the wording definitely needs to be clarified. And yes, I think you should definitely tilt at this particular windmill, Sky. Vicki Senior Center menu > Hi, all. > > Yesterday I finally drove up to the local Senior Center to see what > they > might have in the way of exercise classes (not much). I carried away > their > brochure and, looking through it this morning, discovered their weekly > menu. > > Each of the 5 daily choices has a carb count at the bottom. Apparently > whoever does that has NO idea of how to count carbs. They mention that > the > carb counts exclude desserts, but still, get a load of one of the > choices: > > Baked Chicken Breast with gravy > Summer Squash > Au Gratin Potatoes > Dinner roll > Brownie and Orange. > > Carbs: 5 > > Arrggghhhh. The highest carb count I see on any of the menus is 6, > and > that's for a meal with ham, sweet potatoes, salad, corn bread, and > apple > crisp or applesauce. > > I am going to donate an Atkins cookbook to their library. I sure wish > I had > some carb count books to donate to it, but the ones I have are ones > I'm > using. I wonder if it would do any good to talk to the staff there. > Surely > they have diabetic members. Of course, they probably have diabetic > members > who follow ADA (if anything) and are happy to let their doctor tell > them > what to do. This is frustrating to me already and I'm wondering now if > I > should just let it be or if I should try tilting at windmills for > awhile. > > Thoughts? > > > -=sky=- > > Type 2 dx'd 9/04/04. > Low Carb, Metaformin XR (2500mg). > Other Meds: HTZ, Lipitor, Cozaar, > Topcol, Synthroid. > Supplements: B12, CoQ10, Omega 3, > L-Arginine, ALA, EPO, biotin, Policosanol > and some odd others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2005 Report Share Posted August 13, 2005 At 09:37 AM 8/13/05, rogerhlmn@... wrote: > >Double Aarghhh! for me! >I think they are confusing " carbs " with " exchanges " as in the infamous ADA > " Exchange-Diet " . >Each exchange is 15 grams of carbs. So, that " 5 " is really 75 grams of >carbs, not so un-typical for an ADA plan! Uh, I'll have to ask if they're referring to exchanges, then. Thanks for the heads-up on that. I've never read enough about the ADA diet to know how it works. I just know it has too many carbs. If they're really using exchanges then I feel that any attempts will be lost. After all the ADA is an " official " medical source so they MUST be right. >Any possibility you could do a little education of those folks? They're >literally killing people! >OK, that's extreme, but they sure aren't helping them! This is what I mean by tilting at windmills. I haven't joined the center yet. Not sure that I will but then it's only $5 a year so why not? But nobody likes a newcomer who immediately tells them what is wrong and I'm not noted for my tact. >BTW, this is the reason we don't eat at the Senior Center as all their meals >are similar & high-carb. Carbs are cheap to buy, so it's unlikely the >situation is going to change. I suspect you're right. In the entire week's menus there were some meals that might work if you eliminated the dinner rolls and desserts, but most had potatoes or pasta in the main part of the meal. sky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2005 Report Share Posted August 13, 2005 At 09:37 AM 8/13/05, rogerhlmn@... wrote: > >Double Aarghhh! for me! >I think they are confusing " carbs " with " exchanges " as in the infamous ADA > " Exchange-Diet " . >Each exchange is 15 grams of carbs. So, that " 5 " is really 75 grams of >carbs, not so un-typical for an ADA plan! Uh, I'll have to ask if they're referring to exchanges, then. Thanks for the heads-up on that. I've never read enough about the ADA diet to know how it works. I just know it has too many carbs. If they're really using exchanges then I feel that any attempts will be lost. After all the ADA is an " official " medical source so they MUST be right. >Any possibility you could do a little education of those folks? They're >literally killing people! >OK, that's extreme, but they sure aren't helping them! This is what I mean by tilting at windmills. I haven't joined the center yet. Not sure that I will but then it's only $5 a year so why not? But nobody likes a newcomer who immediately tells them what is wrong and I'm not noted for my tact. >BTW, this is the reason we don't eat at the Senior Center as all their meals >are similar & high-carb. Carbs are cheap to buy, so it's unlikely the >situation is going to change. I suspect you're right. In the entire week's menus there were some meals that might work if you eliminated the dinner rolls and desserts, but most had potatoes or pasta in the main part of the meal. sky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2005 Report Share Posted August 13, 2005 Are you suggesting education in the different ways to present nutritional info, such as carb grams versus carb exchanges, or in what a proper diet is suppoed to be? The first is a policy decision of management, and I agree that the second would probably be a waste of energy. > > Double Aarghhh! for me! > I think they are confusing " carbs " with " exchanges " as in the infamous ADA > " Exchange-Diet " . > Each exchange is 15 grams of carbs. So, that " 5 " is really 75 grams of > carbs, not so un-typical for an ADA plan! > Any possibility you could do a little education of those folks? They're > literally killing people! > OK, that's extreme, but they sure aren't helping them! > > BTW, this is the reason we don't eat at the Senior Center as all their meals > are similar & high-carb. Carbs are cheap to buy, so it's unlikely the > situation is going to change. > , T2, etc......... > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > Hi, all. > > Yesterday I finally drove up to the local Senior Center to see what they > might have in the way of exercise classes (not much). I carried away their > brochure and, looking through it this morning, discovered their weekly menu. > > Each of the 5 daily choices has a carb count at the bottom. Apparently > whoever does that has NO idea of how to count carbs. They mention that the > carb counts exclude desserts, but still, get a load of one of the choices: > > Baked Chicken Breast with gravy > Summer Squash > Au Gratin Potatoes > Dinner roll > Brownie and Orange. > > Carbs: 5 > > Arrggghhhh. The highest carb count I see on any of the menus is 6, and > that's for a meal with ham, sweet potatoes, salad, corn bread, and apple > crisp or applesauce. > > I am going to donate an Atkins cookbook to their library. I sure wish I had > some carb count books to donate to it, but the ones I have are ones I'm > using. I wonder if it would do any good to talk to the staff there. Surely > they have diabetic members. Of course, they probably have diabetic members > who follow ADA (if anything) and are happy to let their doctor tell them > what to do. This is frustrating to me already and I'm wondering now if I > should just let it be or if I should try tilting at windmills for awhile. > > Thoughts? > > > -=sky=- > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2005 Report Share Posted August 13, 2005 Are you suggesting education in the different ways to present nutritional info, such as carb grams versus carb exchanges, or in what a proper diet is suppoed to be? The first is a policy decision of management, and I agree that the second would probably be a waste of energy. > > Double Aarghhh! for me! > I think they are confusing " carbs " with " exchanges " as in the infamous ADA > " Exchange-Diet " . > Each exchange is 15 grams of carbs. So, that " 5 " is really 75 grams of > carbs, not so un-typical for an ADA plan! > Any possibility you could do a little education of those folks? They're > literally killing people! > OK, that's extreme, but they sure aren't helping them! > > BTW, this is the reason we don't eat at the Senior Center as all their meals > are similar & high-carb. Carbs are cheap to buy, so it's unlikely the > situation is going to change. > , T2, etc......... > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > Hi, all. > > Yesterday I finally drove up to the local Senior Center to see what they > might have in the way of exercise classes (not much). I carried away their > brochure and, looking through it this morning, discovered their weekly menu. > > Each of the 5 daily choices has a carb count at the bottom. Apparently > whoever does that has NO idea of how to count carbs. They mention that the > carb counts exclude desserts, but still, get a load of one of the choices: > > Baked Chicken Breast with gravy > Summer Squash > Au Gratin Potatoes > Dinner roll > Brownie and Orange. > > Carbs: 5 > > Arrggghhhh. The highest carb count I see on any of the menus is 6, and > that's for a meal with ham, sweet potatoes, salad, corn bread, and apple > crisp or applesauce. > > I am going to donate an Atkins cookbook to their library. I sure wish I had > some carb count books to donate to it, but the ones I have are ones I'm > using. I wonder if it would do any good to talk to the staff there. Surely > they have diabetic members. Of course, they probably have diabetic members > who follow ADA (if anything) and are happy to let their doctor tell them > what to do. This is frustrating to me already and I'm wondering now if I > should just let it be or if I should try tilting at windmills for awhile. > > Thoughts? > > > -=sky=- > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2005 Report Share Posted August 13, 2005 Are you suggesting education in the different ways to present nutritional info, such as carb grams versus carb exchanges, or in what a proper diet is suppoed to be? The first is a policy decision of management, and I agree that the second would probably be a waste of energy. > > Double Aarghhh! for me! > I think they are confusing " carbs " with " exchanges " as in the infamous ADA > " Exchange-Diet " . > Each exchange is 15 grams of carbs. So, that " 5 " is really 75 grams of > carbs, not so un-typical for an ADA plan! > Any possibility you could do a little education of those folks? They're > literally killing people! > OK, that's extreme, but they sure aren't helping them! > > BTW, this is the reason we don't eat at the Senior Center as all their meals > are similar & high-carb. Carbs are cheap to buy, so it's unlikely the > situation is going to change. > , T2, etc......... > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > Hi, all. > > Yesterday I finally drove up to the local Senior Center to see what they > might have in the way of exercise classes (not much). I carried away their > brochure and, looking through it this morning, discovered their weekly menu. > > Each of the 5 daily choices has a carb count at the bottom. Apparently > whoever does that has NO idea of how to count carbs. They mention that the > carb counts exclude desserts, but still, get a load of one of the choices: > > Baked Chicken Breast with gravy > Summer Squash > Au Gratin Potatoes > Dinner roll > Brownie and Orange. > > Carbs: 5 > > Arrggghhhh. The highest carb count I see on any of the menus is 6, and > that's for a meal with ham, sweet potatoes, salad, corn bread, and apple > crisp or applesauce. > > I am going to donate an Atkins cookbook to their library. I sure wish I had > some carb count books to donate to it, but the ones I have are ones I'm > using. I wonder if it would do any good to talk to the staff there. Surely > they have diabetic members. Of course, they probably have diabetic members > who follow ADA (if anything) and are happy to let their doctor tell them > what to do. This is frustrating to me already and I'm wondering now if I > should just let it be or if I should try tilting at windmills for awhile. > > Thoughts? > > > -=sky=- > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2005 Report Share Posted August 13, 2005 At 09:46 AM 8/13/05, whimsy2 wrote: >It could be that instead of carb count, they're using ADA exchanges -- >and each exchange stands for 15 carbs. (Although that still doesn't >sound right.) > >But still, the wording definitely needs to be clarified. And yes, I >think you should definitely tilt at this particular windmill, Sky. I'll go try but to be truthful, I think all I'll get is frustrated. If they had diabetic members who were interested or who knew enough to realize the meals were bad for them, then support might be possible, but I think (feeling pessimistic today) that I'm more apt to find seniors who are happy to eat like that and be told it's okay. sky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2005 Report Share Posted August 13, 2005 At 09:46 AM 8/13/05, whimsy2 wrote: >It could be that instead of carb count, they're using ADA exchanges -- >and each exchange stands for 15 carbs. (Although that still doesn't >sound right.) > >But still, the wording definitely needs to be clarified. And yes, I >think you should definitely tilt at this particular windmill, Sky. I'll go try but to be truthful, I think all I'll get is frustrated. If they had diabetic members who were interested or who knew enough to realize the meals were bad for them, then support might be possible, but I think (feeling pessimistic today) that I'm more apt to find seniors who are happy to eat like that and be told it's okay. sky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2005 Report Share Posted August 13, 2005 At 09:46 AM 8/13/05, whimsy2 wrote: >It could be that instead of carb count, they're using ADA exchanges -- >and each exchange stands for 15 carbs. (Although that still doesn't >sound right.) > >But still, the wording definitely needs to be clarified. And yes, I >think you should definitely tilt at this particular windmill, Sky. I'll go try but to be truthful, I think all I'll get is frustrated. If they had diabetic members who were interested or who knew enough to realize the meals were bad for them, then support might be possible, but I think (feeling pessimistic today) that I'm more apt to find seniors who are happy to eat like that and be told it's okay. sky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2005 Report Share Posted August 13, 2005 that is what i have been told they do have a guide line they have to follow. since they have feed different types of people they try to have different things for person to choose from. on the days the menu sounds really wild.i just cook for myself. whimsy2 wrote:It could be that instead of carb count, they're using ADA exchanges -- and each exchange stands for 15 carbs. (Although that still doesn't sound right.) But still, the wording definitely needs to be clarified. And yes, I think you should definitely tilt at this particular windmill, Sky. Vicki Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2005 Report Share Posted August 13, 2005 that is what i have been told they do have a guide line they have to follow. since they have feed different types of people they try to have different things for person to choose from. on the days the menu sounds really wild.i just cook for myself. whimsy2 wrote:It could be that instead of carb count, they're using ADA exchanges -- and each exchange stands for 15 carbs. (Although that still doesn't sound right.) But still, the wording definitely needs to be clarified. And yes, I think you should definitely tilt at this particular windmill, Sky. Vicki Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2005 Report Share Posted August 13, 2005 I agree they probably meant 5 exchanges, as that's what most people are familiar with. I never go to town suppers, senior lunches, etc., because they're all starch. Even the protein is often breaded or covered with flour gravy. Someone told me excitedly that " We now have sugarfree desserts, " meaning blueberry pie with Splenda instead of sugar. She couldn't understand why I didn't rush right over to partake. I don't think you can expect the Senior Center to suddenly switch to Atkins, but you could request that they include carb grams as well as exchanges: Carb exchanges: 5, or 75 g. If they really wanted to be helpful they'd include the carb exchanges and grams for each individual dish, so people could pick and choose. They could also star the low-fat items and mark those that were gluten-free and lactose-free for people on those special diets. Ask to speak to the dietician and thank her for trying to help people with diabetes and say you were wondering if they could help even more and help people on other diets too. Offer to help if she says she has no time. Gretchen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2005 Report Share Posted August 13, 2005 I agree they probably meant 5 exchanges, as that's what most people are familiar with. I never go to town suppers, senior lunches, etc., because they're all starch. Even the protein is often breaded or covered with flour gravy. Someone told me excitedly that " We now have sugarfree desserts, " meaning blueberry pie with Splenda instead of sugar. She couldn't understand why I didn't rush right over to partake. I don't think you can expect the Senior Center to suddenly switch to Atkins, but you could request that they include carb grams as well as exchanges: Carb exchanges: 5, or 75 g. If they really wanted to be helpful they'd include the carb exchanges and grams for each individual dish, so people could pick and choose. They could also star the low-fat items and mark those that were gluten-free and lactose-free for people on those special diets. Ask to speak to the dietician and thank her for trying to help people with diabetes and say you were wondering if they could help even more and help people on other diets too. Offer to help if she says she has no time. Gretchen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2005 Report Share Posted August 13, 2005 Yes, but they at least need to clarify that that " 5 " stands for " 5 exchanges, " which is quite different from " 5 carbs " . You might point this out to them and mention that unless they clarify that in writing, they may be causing harm to some diabetics (if there are even any out there who understand the different between 5 carbs and 5 carb exchanges). Vicki Re: Senior Center menu At 09:37 AM 8/13/05, rogerhlmn@... wrote: > >Double Aarghhh! for me! >I think they are confusing " carbs " with " exchanges " as in the infamous >ADA > " Exchange-Diet " . >Each exchange is 15 grams of carbs. So, that " 5 " is really 75 grams of >carbs, not so un-typical for an ADA plan! Uh, I'll have to ask if they're referring to exchanges, then. Thanks for the heads-up on that. I've never read enough about the ADA diet to know how it works. I just know it has too many carbs. If they're really using exchanges then I feel that any attempts will be lost. After all the ADA is an " official " medical source so they MUST be right. >Any possibility you could do a little education of those folks? They're >literally killing people! >OK, that's extreme, but they sure aren't helping them! This is what I mean by tilting at windmills. I haven't joined the center yet. Not sure that I will but then it's only $5 a year so why not? But nobody likes a newcomer who immediately tells them what is wrong and I'm not noted for my tact. >BTW, this is the reason we don't eat at the Senior Center as all their >meals >are similar & high-carb. Carbs are cheap to buy, so it's unlikely the >situation is going to change. I suspect you're right. In the entire week's menus there were some meals that might work if you eliminated the dinner rolls and desserts, but most had potatoes or pasta in the main part of the meal. sky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2005 Report Share Posted August 13, 2005 Yes, but they at least need to clarify that that " 5 " stands for " 5 exchanges, " which is quite different from " 5 carbs " . You might point this out to them and mention that unless they clarify that in writing, they may be causing harm to some diabetics (if there are even any out there who understand the different between 5 carbs and 5 carb exchanges). Vicki Re: Senior Center menu At 09:37 AM 8/13/05, rogerhlmn@... wrote: > >Double Aarghhh! for me! >I think they are confusing " carbs " with " exchanges " as in the infamous >ADA > " Exchange-Diet " . >Each exchange is 15 grams of carbs. So, that " 5 " is really 75 grams of >carbs, not so un-typical for an ADA plan! Uh, I'll have to ask if they're referring to exchanges, then. Thanks for the heads-up on that. I've never read enough about the ADA diet to know how it works. I just know it has too many carbs. If they're really using exchanges then I feel that any attempts will be lost. After all the ADA is an " official " medical source so they MUST be right. >Any possibility you could do a little education of those folks? They're >literally killing people! >OK, that's extreme, but they sure aren't helping them! This is what I mean by tilting at windmills. I haven't joined the center yet. Not sure that I will but then it's only $5 a year so why not? But nobody likes a newcomer who immediately tells them what is wrong and I'm not noted for my tact. >BTW, this is the reason we don't eat at the Senior Center as all their >meals >are similar & high-carb. Carbs are cheap to buy, so it's unlikely the >situation is going to change. I suspect you're right. In the entire week's menus there were some meals that might work if you eliminated the dinner rolls and desserts, but most had potatoes or pasta in the main part of the meal. sky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2005 Report Share Posted August 13, 2005 Yes, but they at least need to clarify that that " 5 " stands for " 5 exchanges, " which is quite different from " 5 carbs " . You might point this out to them and mention that unless they clarify that in writing, they may be causing harm to some diabetics (if there are even any out there who understand the different between 5 carbs and 5 carb exchanges). Vicki Re: Senior Center menu At 09:37 AM 8/13/05, rogerhlmn@... wrote: > >Double Aarghhh! for me! >I think they are confusing " carbs " with " exchanges " as in the infamous >ADA > " Exchange-Diet " . >Each exchange is 15 grams of carbs. So, that " 5 " is really 75 grams of >carbs, not so un-typical for an ADA plan! Uh, I'll have to ask if they're referring to exchanges, then. Thanks for the heads-up on that. I've never read enough about the ADA diet to know how it works. I just know it has too many carbs. If they're really using exchanges then I feel that any attempts will be lost. After all the ADA is an " official " medical source so they MUST be right. >Any possibility you could do a little education of those folks? They're >literally killing people! >OK, that's extreme, but they sure aren't helping them! This is what I mean by tilting at windmills. I haven't joined the center yet. Not sure that I will but then it's only $5 a year so why not? But nobody likes a newcomer who immediately tells them what is wrong and I'm not noted for my tact. >BTW, this is the reason we don't eat at the Senior Center as all their >meals >are similar & high-carb. Carbs are cheap to buy, so it's unlikely the >situation is going to change. I suspect you're right. In the entire week's menus there were some meals that might work if you eliminated the dinner rolls and desserts, but most had potatoes or pasta in the main part of the meal. sky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2005 Report Share Posted August 13, 2005 You're probably wasting your time talking to them. Especially any of the food service people. I suggest writing a letter to the center's director/manager or whatever the title is. It's a bit more difficult to ignore a letter plus you'll have the time to compile your thoughts into a concise whole. If you're donating a book, why not the Bernstein cookbook? I have it. It contains some interesting recipes. Recipes were developed by a classically trained chef who has a diabetic kid. On Sat, 13 Aug 2005 09:49:21 -0400, Sky wrote: >At 09:46 AM 8/13/05, whimsy2 wrote: >>It could be that instead of carb count, they're using ADA exchanges -- >>and each exchange stands for 15 carbs. (Although that still doesn't >>sound right.) >> >>But still, the wording definitely needs to be clarified. And yes, I >>think you should definitely tilt at this particular windmill, Sky. > >I'll go try but to be truthful, I think all I'll get is frustrated. If they >had diabetic members who were interested or who knew enough to realize the >meals were bad for them, then support might be possible, but I think >(feeling pessimistic today) that I'm more apt to find seniors who are happy >to eat like that and be told it's okay. > >sky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2005 Report Share Posted August 13, 2005 You're probably wasting your time talking to them. Especially any of the food service people. I suggest writing a letter to the center's director/manager or whatever the title is. It's a bit more difficult to ignore a letter plus you'll have the time to compile your thoughts into a concise whole. If you're donating a book, why not the Bernstein cookbook? I have it. It contains some interesting recipes. Recipes were developed by a classically trained chef who has a diabetic kid. On Sat, 13 Aug 2005 09:49:21 -0400, Sky wrote: >At 09:46 AM 8/13/05, whimsy2 wrote: >>It could be that instead of carb count, they're using ADA exchanges -- >>and each exchange stands for 15 carbs. (Although that still doesn't >>sound right.) >> >>But still, the wording definitely needs to be clarified. And yes, I >>think you should definitely tilt at this particular windmill, Sky. > >I'll go try but to be truthful, I think all I'll get is frustrated. If they >had diabetic members who were interested or who knew enough to realize the >meals were bad for them, then support might be possible, but I think >(feeling pessimistic today) that I'm more apt to find seniors who are happy >to eat like that and be told it's okay. > >sky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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