Guest guest Posted January 12, 2006 Report Share Posted January 12, 2006 Perhaps this will help. Let us take salad dressing as a 'for example.' If you go to that section of the grocery store you will see that Wishbone (for example) has for each variety or flavor a 'regular' version and a 'lite' or 'low fat' or '[fat] free' version; this will probably be true for Kraft and all the other brands as well. Now, all packaged and processed foods must, by law, have nutrition information of the lable. Take a bottle of regular Ranch (or whatever) and the 'low fat' or 'fat free' version of the same manufacturer's Ranch (or whatever.) Compare. 99 times out of 100, the 'fat free' or 'low fat' version will have more sugar than the 'regular' version. Why? Simple. FAT TASTES GOOD. When they take the fat out, the resulting product doesn't taste good. If it doesn't taste good, nobody will buy it more than once. Hence, the company will not make any money. (We live in a capitalist country, remember? Companies are in business to make money; they have a fiduciary duty to the shareholders to maximize profits.) Accordingly, they add sugar to make it taste good again. Now, what does this have to do with diabetes? Well, diabetes is the inability of the body to properly assimilate carbohydrates (starches and sugars). Now, one wouldn't advise someone who is lactose intolerant to drink a lot of milk, or someone with celiac sprue to eat a lot of wheat; on the contrary, they should avoid such foods. Logically, therefore, diabetics should avoid sugars and starches. Thus, if there are two versions of something, one with a lot of sugar and one with only a little, then we should prefer the version with only a little. Think of sugar/starch as you would arsenic. A little arsenic won't hurt you. Indeed, it is said to be good for the complexion. However, a lot of arsenic is not. If you found yourself on an island with so much arsenic in the soil that every plant's roots, leaves, and fruit had arsenic in them, but some more than others, you would be careful to avoid those that had a lot and seek out those that had a little, wouldn't you? Naturally you would. Thus, logically, as a diabetic, for whom large amounts of sugar/starch are just as deadly (although not as imediately) as large amounts of arsenic would be for a normal person, you should seek to reduce your intake of carbohydrates, and when confronted with a choice between something that has a small carbohydrate count with something that has a large one, to choose the former. Re: Re: New to list - Sherry In a message dated 1/12/2006 9:40:15 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, sdwade@... writes: Ok...now I'm thoroughly confused.... Sherry and The Snow Angels Biscuit, Peppy, Piper, Abby and Sugar http://www.picturetrail.com/gabluebird Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2006 Report Share Posted January 12, 2006 Oh.... I see.....I didn't realize that, but understand better now. I think I need to learn about carbs more than anything, but sugar too. <sigh> Thank you for your help and time. It does mean more to me than you know. I'll be saving your email so my husband can read it too. I think he needs to learn too. Sherry and The Snow Angels Biscuit, Peppy, Piper, Abby and Sugar http://www.picturetrail.com/gabluebird ----- Original Message ----- From: , Bruce Perhaps this will help. Let us take salad dressing as a 'for example.' If you go to that section of the grocery store you will see that Wishbone (for example) has for each variety or flavor a 'regular' version and a 'lite' or 'low fat' or '[fat] free' version; this will probably be true for Kraft and all the other brands as well. Now, all packaged and processed foods must, by law, have nutrition information of the lable. Take a bottle of regular Ranch (or whatever) and the 'low fat' or 'fat free' version of the same manufacturer's Ranch (or whatever.) Compare. 99 times out of 100, the 'fat free' or 'low fat' version will have more sugar than the 'regular' version. Why? Simple. FAT TASTES GOOD. When they take the fat out, the resulting product doesn't taste good. If it doesn't taste good, nobody will buy it more than once. Hence, the company will not make any money. (We live in a capitalist country, remember? Companies are in business to make money; they have a fiduciary duty to the shareholders to maximize profits.) Accordingly, they add sugar to make it taste good again. Now, what does this have to do with diabetes? Well, diabetes is the inability of the body to properly assimilate carbohydrates (starches and sugars). Now, one wouldn't advise someone who is lactose intolerant to drink a lot of milk, or someone with celiac sprue to eat a lot of wheat; on the contrary, they should avoid such foods. Logically, therefore, diabetics should avoid sugars and starches. Thus, if there are two versions of something, one with a lot of sugar and one with only a little, then we should prefer the version with only a little. Think of sugar/starch as you would arsenic. A little arsenic won't hurt you. Indeed, it is said to be good for the complexion. However, a lot of arsenic is not. If you found yourself on an island with so much arsenic in the soil that every plant's roots, leaves, and fruit had arsenic in them, but some more than others, you would be careful to avoid those that had a lot and seek out those that had a little, wouldn't you? Naturally you would. Thus, logically, as a diabetic, for whom large amounts of sugar/starch are just as deadly (although not as imediately) as large amounts of arsenic would be for a normal person, you should seek to reduce your intake of carbohydrates, and when confronted with a choice between something that has a small carbohydrate count with something that has a large one, to choose the former. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2006 Report Share Posted January 12, 2006 Oh.... I see.....I didn't realize that, but understand better now. I think I need to learn about carbs more than anything, but sugar too. <sigh> Thank you for your help and time. It does mean more to me than you know. I'll be saving your email so my husband can read it too. I think he needs to learn too. Sherry and The Snow Angels Biscuit, Peppy, Piper, Abby and Sugar http://www.picturetrail.com/gabluebird ----- Original Message ----- From: , Bruce Perhaps this will help. Let us take salad dressing as a 'for example.' If you go to that section of the grocery store you will see that Wishbone (for example) has for each variety or flavor a 'regular' version and a 'lite' or 'low fat' or '[fat] free' version; this will probably be true for Kraft and all the other brands as well. Now, all packaged and processed foods must, by law, have nutrition information of the lable. Take a bottle of regular Ranch (or whatever) and the 'low fat' or 'fat free' version of the same manufacturer's Ranch (or whatever.) Compare. 99 times out of 100, the 'fat free' or 'low fat' version will have more sugar than the 'regular' version. Why? Simple. FAT TASTES GOOD. When they take the fat out, the resulting product doesn't taste good. If it doesn't taste good, nobody will buy it more than once. Hence, the company will not make any money. (We live in a capitalist country, remember? Companies are in business to make money; they have a fiduciary duty to the shareholders to maximize profits.) Accordingly, they add sugar to make it taste good again. Now, what does this have to do with diabetes? Well, diabetes is the inability of the body to properly assimilate carbohydrates (starches and sugars). Now, one wouldn't advise someone who is lactose intolerant to drink a lot of milk, or someone with celiac sprue to eat a lot of wheat; on the contrary, they should avoid such foods. Logically, therefore, diabetics should avoid sugars and starches. Thus, if there are two versions of something, one with a lot of sugar and one with only a little, then we should prefer the version with only a little. Think of sugar/starch as you would arsenic. A little arsenic won't hurt you. Indeed, it is said to be good for the complexion. However, a lot of arsenic is not. If you found yourself on an island with so much arsenic in the soil that every plant's roots, leaves, and fruit had arsenic in them, but some more than others, you would be careful to avoid those that had a lot and seek out those that had a little, wouldn't you? Naturally you would. Thus, logically, as a diabetic, for whom large amounts of sugar/starch are just as deadly (although not as imediately) as large amounts of arsenic would be for a normal person, you should seek to reduce your intake of carbohydrates, and when confronted with a choice between something that has a small carbohydrate count with something that has a large one, to choose the former. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2006 Report Share Posted January 12, 2006 Sugar is a type of carbohydrate; so is starch. Re: A little is better than a lot, and none is better than a little, was RE: Re: New to list - Sherry Oh.... I see.....I didn't realize that, but understand better now. I think I need to learn about carbs more than anything, but sugar too. <sigh> Thank you for your help and time. It does mean more to me than you know. I'll be saving your email so my husband can read it too. I think he needs to learn too. Sherry and The Snow Angels Biscuit, Peppy, Piper, Abby and Sugar http://www.picturetrail.com/gabluebird Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2006 Report Share Posted January 12, 2006 Yes, it does. Potatoes, rice, pasta, etc. all break down into sugar. Now, fiber does NOT break down, so you can subtract the fiber from the carbohydrate count. There are various brands of low-carbohydrate pasta on the market, usually made with soy flour; some are good, some are horrid. I rather like Keto and CarbFit; some people like Dreamfields, but I've never tried it. Most of the mainstream pasta companies (like Muller's) make whole wheat pasta now; I find that even whole wheat makes my blood sugar go up too high. Each of us is a little different, so the best advice is to try different things and test afterwards. If you find that something makes your reading go up too much, put it on the list of 'things to avoid.' As I said before, you can often substute parsnips, turnips, or rutabagas for potatoes; it will not be the same, but it will be close and very good. Re: A little is better than a lot, and none is better than a little, was RE: Re: New to list - Sherry Ok...<scratching my head> LOL Starch...pasta right? And pasta turns to sugar in your body? Sherry and The Snow Angels Biscuit, Peppy, Piper, Abby and Sugar http://www.picturetrail.com/gabluebird Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2006 Report Share Posted January 12, 2006 Yes, it does. Potatoes, rice, pasta, etc. all break down into sugar. Now, fiber does NOT break down, so you can subtract the fiber from the carbohydrate count. There are various brands of low-carbohydrate pasta on the market, usually made with soy flour; some are good, some are horrid. I rather like Keto and CarbFit; some people like Dreamfields, but I've never tried it. Most of the mainstream pasta companies (like Muller's) make whole wheat pasta now; I find that even whole wheat makes my blood sugar go up too high. Each of us is a little different, so the best advice is to try different things and test afterwards. If you find that something makes your reading go up too much, put it on the list of 'things to avoid.' As I said before, you can often substute parsnips, turnips, or rutabagas for potatoes; it will not be the same, but it will be close and very good. Re: A little is better than a lot, and none is better than a little, was RE: Re: New to list - Sherry Ok...<scratching my head> LOL Starch...pasta right? And pasta turns to sugar in your body? Sherry and The Snow Angels Biscuit, Peppy, Piper, Abby and Sugar http://www.picturetrail.com/gabluebird Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2006 Report Share Posted January 12, 2006 I'm not a big potato person, but I do like sweet potatoes. Forget parsnips, turnips or rutabagas. I remember having to eat rutabagas when I was little, yucky! ;-) I have no idea what Keto and CarbFit are, or Dreamfields. Are they a brand name for some kind of pastas? This may seem like a dumb question, but what would be too high after eating something? Sherry and The Snow Angels Biscuit, Peppy, Piper, Abby and Sugar http://www.picturetrail.com/gabluebird ----- Original Message ----- From: , Bruce Yes, it does. Potatoes, rice, pasta, etc. all break down into sugar. Now, fiber does NOT break down, so you can subtract the fiber from the carbohydrate count. There are various brands of low-carbohydrate pasta on the market, usually made with soy flour; some are good, some are horrid. I rather like Keto and CarbFit; some people like Dreamfields, but I've never tried it. Most of the mainstream pasta companies (like Muller's) make whole wheat pasta now; I find that even whole wheat makes my blood sugar go up too high. Each of us is a little different, so the best advice is to try different things and test afterwards. If you find that something makes your reading go up too much, put it on the list of 'things to avoid.' As I said before, you can often substute parsnips, turnips, or rutabagas for potatoes; it will not be the same, but it will be close and very good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2006 Report Share Posted January 12, 2006 I'm not a big potato person, but I do like sweet potatoes. Forget parsnips, turnips or rutabagas. I remember having to eat rutabagas when I was little, yucky! ;-) I have no idea what Keto and CarbFit are, or Dreamfields. Are they a brand name for some kind of pastas? This may seem like a dumb question, but what would be too high after eating something? Sherry and The Snow Angels Biscuit, Peppy, Piper, Abby and Sugar http://www.picturetrail.com/gabluebird ----- Original Message ----- From: , Bruce Yes, it does. Potatoes, rice, pasta, etc. all break down into sugar. Now, fiber does NOT break down, so you can subtract the fiber from the carbohydrate count. There are various brands of low-carbohydrate pasta on the market, usually made with soy flour; some are good, some are horrid. I rather like Keto and CarbFit; some people like Dreamfields, but I've never tried it. Most of the mainstream pasta companies (like Muller's) make whole wheat pasta now; I find that even whole wheat makes my blood sugar go up too high. Each of us is a little different, so the best advice is to try different things and test afterwards. If you find that something makes your reading go up too much, put it on the list of 'things to avoid.' As I said before, you can often substute parsnips, turnips, or rutabagas for potatoes; it will not be the same, but it will be close and very good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2006 Report Share Posted January 12, 2006 I microwave it. Cut it in half, scoop out the seeds, fill the space where the seeds was with water, then put in microwave for at least 10 min or until the insides are thoroughly cooked. The flesh comes out in strings not unlike vermicelli. I like it, but my father doesn't, so we don't have it very often. Re: A little is better than a lot, and none is better than a little, was RE: Re: New to list - Sherry I have wondered how that spaghetti squash would be and how to make it. I've also read that it had a lower GI than some of the other squash. Maybe I will try that this weekend. Thanks for the information on it. Darlene Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2006 Report Share Posted January 12, 2006 What is spaghetti squash? And what is vermicelli? I've heard of both. Now I love yellow squash! Sherry and The Snow Angels Biscuit, Peppy, Piper, Abby and Sugar http://www.picturetrail.com/gabluebird RE: A little is better than a lot, and none is better than a little, was RE: Re: New to list - Sherry I microwave it. Cut it in half, scoop out the seeds, fill the space where the seeds was with water, then put in microwave for at least 10 min or until the insides are thoroughly cooked. The flesh comes out in strings not unlike vermicelli. I like it, but my father doesn't, so we don't have it very often. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2006 Report Share Posted January 12, 2006 Sherry wrote: What is spaghetti squash? And what is vermicelli? I've heard of both. Now I love yellow squash! *** Spaghetti squash is a yellow squash starting around the size of a softball and can be about the size of a football. When cooked (I microwave), the inside has seeds, which you scoop out, and then the inner walls are similar to spagetti. It's pretty good with marinara or sauce and can replace spaghetti or you can mix it with spaghetti (like a half and half mixture). Mix it to get use to the taste, which isn't bad. Tracey __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2006 Report Share Posted January 13, 2006 Don't forget mashed cauliflower! Many variations of this recipe can be found by doing a Google search. You just have to decide how " creamy " you want it and how much fat you are willing to consume. I personally love cauliflower! Rhonda Y. > > > As I said before, you can often substute parsnips, turnips, or rutabagas > for potatoes; it will not be the same, but it will be close and very > good. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2006 Report Share Posted January 13, 2006 Vermicelli is a kind of pasta; like very, very fine spaghetti. A spaghetti squash is a kind of winter squash; it is about the size and shape of a football and is yellow. Any large grocery store should have it in the vegetable section. I'm told also that it is fairly easy to grow, if you are into gardening. Re: A little is better than a lot, and none is better than a little, was RE: Re: New to list - Sherry What is spaghetti squash? And what is vermicelli? I've heard of both. Now I love yellow squash! Sherry and The Snow Angels Biscuit, Peppy, Piper, Abby and Sugar http://www.picturetrail.com/gabluebird RE: A little is better than a lot, and none is better than a little, was RE: Re: New to list - Sherry I microwave it. Cut it in half, scoop out the seeds, fill the space where the seeds was with water, then put in microwave for at least 10 min or until the insides are thoroughly cooked. The flesh comes out in strings not unlike vermicelli. I like it, but my father doesn't, so we don't have it very often. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2006 Report Share Posted January 13, 2006 Vermicelli is a kind of pasta; like very, very fine spaghetti. A spaghetti squash is a kind of winter squash; it is about the size and shape of a football and is yellow. Any large grocery store should have it in the vegetable section. I'm told also that it is fairly easy to grow, if you are into gardening. Re: A little is better than a lot, and none is better than a little, was RE: Re: New to list - Sherry What is spaghetti squash? And what is vermicelli? I've heard of both. Now I love yellow squash! Sherry and The Snow Angels Biscuit, Peppy, Piper, Abby and Sugar http://www.picturetrail.com/gabluebird RE: A little is better than a lot, and none is better than a little, was RE: Re: New to list - Sherry I microwave it. Cut it in half, scoop out the seeds, fill the space where the seeds was with water, then put in microwave for at least 10 min or until the insides are thoroughly cooked. The flesh comes out in strings not unlike vermicelli. I like it, but my father doesn't, so we don't have it very often. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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