Guest guest Posted August 10, 2005 Report Share Posted August 10, 2005 Helen, you have not broken any news to me. I knew I was not doing high carb. The point is that I have not been TRYING to do high or low or any kind of a carb diet. Except smart carbs. If I ended it up what you call a moderate carb diet, so be it. That is what my meter said I could eat, so I ate it. But, when I hear folks on this list talk about doing the low carb thing, I get the impression that they are talking total carbs, including the fiber. So from that point of view, my 120-200 grams of total carb per day would be considered high carb, right? In fact, I think Cappie once told me that I eat more (total) carbs in one day than some folks on this list eat in a whole week. Since you have sort of touched on a related subject, as did another thread today, let me say that one of the things I was riduculed for when I first started posting was that my diet guidelines ALLOWED 45 to 70 gm of net carbs per meal (total minus fiber). Folks said (and still say) that I paid for nothing more than the ADA diet. What those folks never seem to understand is that I paid for guidelines, not commands. I paid for knowledge, not a cure. The main thing that the Lifestyle Center of America taught me was to do what was right for me. They taught me some basics, such as the importance of exercise, and gave me a bunch of knowledge, but they always stressed to do only what works for me. In other words, they taught me to take guidelines and fit them to me, not try to make me fit any guidelines. But enough about the Center already. We already know the general opinion this list has of the place. And I am obviously still a very satisfied customer going against the consensus. Such things make life interesting. For what it is worth, some folks have said that they got the same degree of control that I now have, just by reading books and doing lists. Great. For them. I know there is no way it would have worked for me. For me, it took spending all that money to see up close and personal that control was possible. Your milage may vary. P.S. - I am still NOT on their payroll. I don't even get a referral fee. And they are still a non-profit outfit. > , I hate to be the one to break the news to you - 60 to 100 carbs a > day is considered moderate low carbing. 30 to 60 is considered strict > low carbing. > > The ADA diet that I was on called for 6 to 8 servings of starch a day, > which is 90 to 120 grams of carb, four fruits a day, another 40 grams, > veggies, including many that they said were free, say another 40 grams > per day, and two glasses of non fat milk, 20 or 30 grams? So we have > about 220+ on a 1200 calorie diet. That's high carb. Because of the > caloric restrictions, there was only one pat of butter allowed per day > and four ounces of lean meat. All done with exchanges. > > Quite frankly, it worked. I lost about 30 pounds and had normalized bgs > without any medication for several years. But things changed. > > Helen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2005 Report Share Posted August 11, 2005 , we all have different ways and different places that we use to become motivated. If you are a very visual person, the center probably offered you the most useful education. Education is not free and value is in the eye of the beholder. If you feel you got your money's worth and then some, then you have actually received something priceless. I am a book oriented person, I learn from print and visualization. From the beginning of this journey in 1983, I have read thousands of words on various aspects of health and disease. Perhaps I have not spent the same amount of money as you did, unless you want to count the cost of several computers, but I have spent scores of hours. You have your way, I have mine, others have other ways. All roads lead to the same goal, good control; therefore all roads are equally valid. Helen PS What dosage are you taking of byetta? If you have not yet gone to the 10mcg twice a day, perhaps when you do you will see better morning numbers. Any nausea? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2005 Report Share Posted August 11, 2005 , we all have different ways and different places that we use to become motivated. If you are a very visual person, the center probably offered you the most useful education. Education is not free and value is in the eye of the beholder. If you feel you got your money's worth and then some, then you have actually received something priceless. I am a book oriented person, I learn from print and visualization. From the beginning of this journey in 1983, I have read thousands of words on various aspects of health and disease. Perhaps I have not spent the same amount of money as you did, unless you want to count the cost of several computers, but I have spent scores of hours. You have your way, I have mine, others have other ways. All roads lead to the same goal, good control; therefore all roads are equally valid. Helen PS What dosage are you taking of byetta? If you have not yet gone to the 10mcg twice a day, perhaps when you do you will see better morning numbers. Any nausea? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2005 Report Share Posted August 11, 2005 , we all have different ways and different places that we use to become motivated. If you are a very visual person, the center probably offered you the most useful education. Education is not free and value is in the eye of the beholder. If you feel you got your money's worth and then some, then you have actually received something priceless. I am a book oriented person, I learn from print and visualization. From the beginning of this journey in 1983, I have read thousands of words on various aspects of health and disease. Perhaps I have not spent the same amount of money as you did, unless you want to count the cost of several computers, but I have spent scores of hours. You have your way, I have mine, others have other ways. All roads lead to the same goal, good control; therefore all roads are equally valid. Helen PS What dosage are you taking of byetta? If you have not yet gone to the 10mcg twice a day, perhaps when you do you will see better morning numbers. Any nausea? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2005 Report Share Posted August 11, 2005 In a message dated 8/11/2005 1:42:19 AM Eastern Standard Time, jgd@... writes: > Unless you're the very rare individual who doesn't work well with Lantus, If the " very rare " qualifier stems from a formal investigation, please post the reference. Its so difficult to find this sort of technical data. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2005 Report Share Posted August 11, 2005 In a message dated 8/11/2005 1:42:19 AM Eastern Standard Time, jgd@... writes: > Unless you're the very rare individual who doesn't work well with Lantus, If the " very rare " qualifier stems from a formal investigation, please post the reference. Its so difficult to find this sort of technical data. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2005 Report Share Posted August 11, 2005 > Quite frankly, it worked. I lost about 30 pounds and had normalized bgs > without any medication for several years. But things changed. The real question, which no one can really answer, is whether all those carbs that let you lose weight were what made things change. Gretchen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2005 Report Share Posted August 11, 2005 > Quite frankly, it worked. I lost about 30 pounds and had normalized bgs > without any medication for several years. But things changed. The real question, which no one can really answer, is whether all those carbs that let you lose weight were what made things change. Gretchen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2005 Report Share Posted August 11, 2005 > What is an ancho-vegetarian? A vegetarian who eats anchovies? A vegetarian well anchored to reality? Gretchen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2005 Report Share Posted August 11, 2005 > What is an ancho-vegetarian? A vegetarian who eats anchovies? A vegetarian well anchored to reality? Gretchen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2005 Report Share Posted August 11, 2005 > What is an ancho-vegetarian? A vegetarian who eats anchovies? A vegetarian well anchored to reality? Gretchen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2005 Report Share Posted August 11, 2005 > > What is an ancho-vegetarian? > > A vegetarian who eats anchovies? A vegetarian well anchored to reality? > > Gretchen Anchovies are VERY important in helping me maintain whatever grasp of reality that I have. I will leave it to others to decide just how strong that grasp is. LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2005 Report Share Posted August 11, 2005 I don't think it's so rare, either. I'm active on 3 diabetes lists and there have certainly been more than " rare " reports of Lantus not working. It certainly didn't work for me - pooped out at 19 hours. I know, this can be alleviated by splitting dose and taking it twice a day. But supposedly one of the major advertised advantages of Lantus was that it only needed to be taken once a day. If it needs to be taken twice a day, you might as well go go with Ultralente, which, taken twice a day, gives a smooth curve and costs less than half as much as Lantus. (This is the insulin that's being discontinued end of 2005, alas.) Vicki, sad and mad UL booster Re: 's A1c Results > In a message dated 8/11/2005 1:42:19 AM Eastern Standard Time, > jgd@... writes: > >> Unless you're the very rare individual who doesn't work well with >> Lantus, > > If the " very rare " qualifier stems from a formal investigation, please > post > the reference. Its so difficult to find this sort of technical data. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2005 Report Share Posted August 11, 2005 I don't think it's so rare, either. I'm active on 3 diabetes lists and there have certainly been more than " rare " reports of Lantus not working. It certainly didn't work for me - pooped out at 19 hours. I know, this can be alleviated by splitting dose and taking it twice a day. But supposedly one of the major advertised advantages of Lantus was that it only needed to be taken once a day. If it needs to be taken twice a day, you might as well go go with Ultralente, which, taken twice a day, gives a smooth curve and costs less than half as much as Lantus. (This is the insulin that's being discontinued end of 2005, alas.) Vicki, sad and mad UL booster Re: 's A1c Results > In a message dated 8/11/2005 1:42:19 AM Eastern Standard Time, > jgd@... writes: > >> Unless you're the very rare individual who doesn't work well with >> Lantus, > > If the " very rare " qualifier stems from a formal investigation, please > post > the reference. Its so difficult to find this sort of technical data. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2005 Report Share Posted August 11, 2005 I don't think it's so rare, either. I'm active on 3 diabetes lists and there have certainly been more than " rare " reports of Lantus not working. It certainly didn't work for me - pooped out at 19 hours. I know, this can be alleviated by splitting dose and taking it twice a day. But supposedly one of the major advertised advantages of Lantus was that it only needed to be taken once a day. If it needs to be taken twice a day, you might as well go go with Ultralente, which, taken twice a day, gives a smooth curve and costs less than half as much as Lantus. (This is the insulin that's being discontinued end of 2005, alas.) Vicki, sad and mad UL booster Re: 's A1c Results > In a message dated 8/11/2005 1:42:19 AM Eastern Standard Time, > jgd@... writes: > >> Unless you're the very rare individual who doesn't work well with >> Lantus, > > If the " very rare " qualifier stems from a formal investigation, please > post > the reference. Its so difficult to find this sort of technical data. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2005 Report Share Posted August 11, 2005 i am type 2,no medication,just watching crabs and exercise,so far i have been doing good. i am also meter freak.how will know when i need to start on medicine.i have been reading where sometime one probley will have to start on medication? Helen Mueller wrote:, I hate to be the one to break the news to you - 60 to 100 carbs a day is considered moderate low carbing. 30 to 60 is considered strict low carbing. The ADA diet that I was on called for 6 to 8 servings of starch a day, which is 90 to 120 grams of carb, four fruits a day, another 40 grams, veggies, including many that they said were free, say another 40 grams per day, and two glasses of non fat milk, 20 or 30 grams? So we have about 220+ on a 1200 calorie diet. That's high carb. Because of the caloric restrictions, there was only one pat of butter allowed per day and four ounces of lean meat. All done with exchanges. Quite frankly, it worked. I lost about 30 pounds and had normalized bgs without any medication for several years. But things changed. Helen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2005 Report Share Posted August 11, 2005 Watching the crabs won't help your BGs much <g> sorry, , ....couldn't resist that. Seriously though, the time to start on meds is when diet and exercise don't meet BG goals. Which I believe are: no more than 140 an hour after eating; no more than 120 2 hours after. And if I'm wrong someone is sure to correct me, smile. The closer to 100 you are, the better. Vicki Re: Re: 's A1c Results >i am type 2,no medication,just watching crabs and exercise,so far i >have been doing good. i am also meter freak.how will know when i need >to start on medicine.i have been reading where sometime one probley >will have to start on medication? > > Helen Mueller wrote:, I hate to be the > one to break the news to you - 60 to 100 carbs a > day is considered moderate low carbing. 30 to 60 is considered strict > low carbing. > > The ADA diet that I was on called for 6 to 8 servings of starch a day, > which is 90 to 120 grams of carb, four fruits a day, another 40 grams, > veggies, including many that they said were free, say another 40 grams > per day, and two glasses of non fat milk, 20 or 30 grams? So we have > about 220+ on a 1200 calorie diet. That's high carb. Because of the > caloric restrictions, there was only one pat of butter allowed per day > and four ounces of lean meat. All done with exchanges. > > Quite frankly, it worked. I lost about 30 pounds and had normalized > bgs > without any medication for several years. But things changed. > > Helen > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2005 Report Share Posted August 11, 2005 Watching the crabs won't help your BGs much <g> sorry, , ....couldn't resist that. Seriously though, the time to start on meds is when diet and exercise don't meet BG goals. Which I believe are: no more than 140 an hour after eating; no more than 120 2 hours after. And if I'm wrong someone is sure to correct me, smile. The closer to 100 you are, the better. Vicki Re: Re: 's A1c Results >i am type 2,no medication,just watching crabs and exercise,so far i >have been doing good. i am also meter freak.how will know when i need >to start on medicine.i have been reading where sometime one probley >will have to start on medication? > > Helen Mueller wrote:, I hate to be the > one to break the news to you - 60 to 100 carbs a > day is considered moderate low carbing. 30 to 60 is considered strict > low carbing. > > The ADA diet that I was on called for 6 to 8 servings of starch a day, > which is 90 to 120 grams of carb, four fruits a day, another 40 grams, > veggies, including many that they said were free, say another 40 grams > per day, and two glasses of non fat milk, 20 or 30 grams? So we have > about 220+ on a 1200 calorie diet. That's high carb. Because of the > caloric restrictions, there was only one pat of butter allowed per day > and four ounces of lean meat. All done with exchanges. > > Quite frankly, it worked. I lost about 30 pounds and had normalized > bgs > without any medication for several years. But things changed. > > Helen > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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