Guest guest Posted August 10, 2005 Report Share Posted August 10, 2005 In a message dated 8/10/2005 5:04:12 PM Eastern Standard Time, andrew@... writes: > 8/5/05 6.1 Reflects only new lifestyle, most experimenting done, 3 > weeks of Byetta, and a total weight loss of 60 pounds Good work, , and an excellent trend. If in the future you consider insulin, you might want to think Ultralente, not Lantus. I have great difficulty in seeing how the Lantus response curves can be properly managed if they are as published in a scientific paper I referenced a few weeks ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2005 Report Share Posted August 10, 2005 In a message dated 8/10/2005 5:04:12 PM Eastern Standard Time, andrew@... writes: > 8/5/05 6.1 Reflects only new lifestyle, most experimenting done, 3 > weeks of Byetta, and a total weight loss of 60 pounds Good work, , and an excellent trend. If in the future you consider insulin, you might want to think Ultralente, not Lantus. I have great difficulty in seeing how the Lantus response curves can be properly managed if they are as published in a scientific paper I referenced a few weeks ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2005 Report Share Posted August 10, 2005 In a message dated 8/10/2005 5:04:12 PM Eastern Standard Time, andrew@... writes: > 8/5/05 6.1 Reflects only new lifestyle, most experimenting done, 3 > weeks of Byetta, and a total weight loss of 60 pounds Good work, , and an excellent trend. If in the future you consider insulin, you might want to think Ultralente, not Lantus. I have great difficulty in seeing how the Lantus response curves can be properly managed if they are as published in a scientific paper I referenced a few weeks ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2005 Report Share Posted August 10, 2005 Just got my latest A1c results, and I am very pleased. Here is what has been happening with me over the last half year or so. 11/2/04 7.7 Very bad lifestyle. No idea how to control my diabetes. 4/26/05 7.3 Just started lifestyle change to ancho-vegetarian eating and exercise. Quit the 180 units of insulin I was taking each day 5/13/05 6.8 One month into my lifestyle change, so some of old lifestyle still in there 6/27/05 6.4 Reflects only new lifestyle, and a lot of experimentation, including hugh spikes I have not repeated 8/5/05 6.1 Reflects only new lifestyle, most experimenting done, 3 weeks of Byetta, and a total weight loss of 60 pounds Looks like my lifestyle is working for me. But remember, everyone should do what works for them. My next experiment is cinnamon to see if that lowers my morning numbers. If not, then when I loose the rest of the weight I want to, I will start Lantus to reduce my morning rise. No insulin now because it puts weight on me. Type 2 15 years 120-200 carbs per day, half fiber (except pizza night) no insulin Metformin extended release 2000 mg per day exercise Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2005 Report Share Posted August 10, 2005 > In a message dated 8/10/2005 5:04:12 PM Eastern Standard Time, > andrew@r... writes: > > > 8/5/05 6.1 Reflects only new lifestyle, most experimenting done, 3 > > weeks of Byetta, and a total weight loss of 60 pounds > > Good work, , and an excellent trend. > > If in the future you consider insulin, you might want to think Ultralente, > not Lantus. I have great difficulty in seeing how the Lantus response curves can > be properly managed if they are as published in a scientific paper I > referenced a few weeks ago. > > Do you mean Ultralene? Wasn't there a thread on this list about that brand not being made any longer? I kind of remember someone wanting to stock up on all that Costco had. Now about these response curves. I suppose I could dig through the archives, but is that info available on the vendors web site? The amount of references that some of you folks can dig up still amazes me sometimes. Reminds me of a polictical list I use to be active on where one dude could pull up the most obscure references. It was like he has memorized Google or something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2005 Report Share Posted August 10, 2005 > In a message dated 8/10/2005 5:04:12 PM Eastern Standard Time, > andrew@r... writes: > > > 8/5/05 6.1 Reflects only new lifestyle, most experimenting done, 3 > > weeks of Byetta, and a total weight loss of 60 pounds > > Good work, , and an excellent trend. > > If in the future you consider insulin, you might want to think Ultralente, > not Lantus. I have great difficulty in seeing how the Lantus response curves can > be properly managed if they are as published in a scientific paper I > referenced a few weeks ago. > > Do you mean Ultralene? Wasn't there a thread on this list about that brand not being made any longer? I kind of remember someone wanting to stock up on all that Costco had. Now about these response curves. I suppose I could dig through the archives, but is that info available on the vendors web site? The amount of references that some of you folks can dig up still amazes me sometimes. Reminds me of a polictical list I use to be active on where one dude could pull up the most obscure references. It was like he has memorized Google or something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2005 Report Share Posted August 10, 2005 > In a message dated 8/10/2005 5:04:12 PM Eastern Standard Time, > andrew@r... writes: > > > 8/5/05 6.1 Reflects only new lifestyle, most experimenting done, 3 > > weeks of Byetta, and a total weight loss of 60 pounds > > Good work, , and an excellent trend. > > If in the future you consider insulin, you might want to think Ultralente, > not Lantus. I have great difficulty in seeing how the Lantus response curves can > be properly managed if they are as published in a scientific paper I > referenced a few weeks ago. > > Do you mean Ultralene? Wasn't there a thread on this list about that brand not being made any longer? I kind of remember someone wanting to stock up on all that Costco had. Now about these response curves. I suppose I could dig through the archives, but is that info available on the vendors web site? The amount of references that some of you folks can dig up still amazes me sometimes. Reminds me of a polictical list I use to be active on where one dude could pull up the most obscure references. It was like he has memorized Google or something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2005 Report Share Posted August 10, 2005 No such thing as Ultralene, . It's Ultralente, and yes, it's being discontinued at the end of 2005. And yes, I'm stocking up on it. Its replacement will probably not work as well and be twice (or more) as expensive. Vicki Re: 's A1c Results > >> In a message dated 8/10/2005 5:04:12 PM Eastern Standard Time, >> andrew@r... writes: >> >> > 8/5/05 6.1 Reflects only new lifestyle, most experimenting > done, 3 >> > weeks of Byetta, and a total weight loss of 60 pounds >> >> Good work, , and an excellent trend. >> >> If in the future you consider insulin, you might want to think > Ultralente, >> not Lantus. I have great difficulty in seeing how the Lantus > response curves can >> be properly managed if they are as published in a scientific paper I >> referenced a few weeks ago. >> >> > > Do you mean Ultralene? Wasn't there a thread on this list about that > brand not being made any longer? I kind of remember someone wanting to > stock up on all that Costco had. > > Now about these response curves. I suppose I could dig through the > archives, but is that info available on the vendors web site? > > The amount of references that some of you folks can dig up still > amazes me sometimes. Reminds me of a polictical list I use to be > active on where one dude could pull up the most obscure references. It > was like he has memorized Google or something. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2005 Report Share Posted August 10, 2005 No such thing as Ultralene, . It's Ultralente, and yes, it's being discontinued at the end of 2005. And yes, I'm stocking up on it. Its replacement will probably not work as well and be twice (or more) as expensive. Vicki Re: 's A1c Results > >> In a message dated 8/10/2005 5:04:12 PM Eastern Standard Time, >> andrew@r... writes: >> >> > 8/5/05 6.1 Reflects only new lifestyle, most experimenting > done, 3 >> > weeks of Byetta, and a total weight loss of 60 pounds >> >> Good work, , and an excellent trend. >> >> If in the future you consider insulin, you might want to think > Ultralente, >> not Lantus. I have great difficulty in seeing how the Lantus > response curves can >> be properly managed if they are as published in a scientific paper I >> referenced a few weeks ago. >> >> > > Do you mean Ultralene? Wasn't there a thread on this list about that > brand not being made any longer? I kind of remember someone wanting to > stock up on all that Costco had. > > Now about these response curves. I suppose I could dig through the > archives, but is that info available on the vendors web site? > > The amount of references that some of you folks can dig up still > amazes me sometimes. Reminds me of a polictical list I use to be > active on where one dude could pull up the most obscure references. It > was like he has memorized Google or something. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2005 Report Share Posted August 10, 2005 No such thing as Ultralene, . It's Ultralente, and yes, it's being discontinued at the end of 2005. And yes, I'm stocking up on it. Its replacement will probably not work as well and be twice (or more) as expensive. Vicki Re: 's A1c Results > >> In a message dated 8/10/2005 5:04:12 PM Eastern Standard Time, >> andrew@r... writes: >> >> > 8/5/05 6.1 Reflects only new lifestyle, most experimenting > done, 3 >> > weeks of Byetta, and a total weight loss of 60 pounds >> >> Good work, , and an excellent trend. >> >> If in the future you consider insulin, you might want to think > Ultralente, >> not Lantus. I have great difficulty in seeing how the Lantus > response curves can >> be properly managed if they are as published in a scientific paper I >> referenced a few weeks ago. >> >> > > Do you mean Ultralene? Wasn't there a thread on this list about that > brand not being made any longer? I kind of remember someone wanting to > stock up on all that Costco had. > > Now about these response curves. I suppose I could dig through the > archives, but is that info available on the vendors web site? > > The amount of references that some of you folks can dig up still > amazes me sometimes. Reminds me of a polictical list I use to be > active on where one dude could pull up the most obscure references. It > was like he has memorized Google or something. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2005 Report Share Posted August 10, 2005 - you wrote: > 120-200 carbs per day, half fiber Is this 120, etc counting the fiber? Is it really 60 to 100 carbs a day after the fiber is subtracted? Helen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2005 Report Share Posted August 10, 2005 >lifestyle change to ancho-vegetarian eating and exercise< Hi , What is an ancho-vegetarian? Thanks, Dianne __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2005 Report Share Posted August 10, 2005 >In a message dated 8/10/2005 5:04:12 PM Eastern Standard Time, >andrew@... writes: > >> 8/5/05 6.1 Reflects only new lifestyle, most experimenting done, 3 >> weeks of Byetta, and a total weight loss of 60 pounds > >Good work, , and an excellent trend. > >If in the future you consider insulin, you might want to think Ultralente, >not Lantus. I have great difficulty in seeing how the Lantus response curves can >be properly managed if they are as published in a scientific paper I >referenced a few weeks ago. I get a kick out of folks advising against something they've never tried. Seems foolish to me to work out the dosing for a product that is going away in a short period of time. Lantus for me is the next best thing to a new pancreas. My fasting/waking BG numbers are stable within the scatter of my meter. I doubt that they actually vary more than 5 points. Unless you're the very rare individual who doesn't work well with Lantus, you'll find it to be a shoot-it-and-forget-it proposition. --- De Armond See my website for my current email address http://www.johngsbbq.com Cleveland, Occupied TN Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2005 Report Share Posted August 10, 2005 >In a message dated 8/10/2005 5:04:12 PM Eastern Standard Time, >andrew@... writes: > >> 8/5/05 6.1 Reflects only new lifestyle, most experimenting done, 3 >> weeks of Byetta, and a total weight loss of 60 pounds > >Good work, , and an excellent trend. > >If in the future you consider insulin, you might want to think Ultralente, >not Lantus. I have great difficulty in seeing how the Lantus response curves can >be properly managed if they are as published in a scientific paper I >referenced a few weeks ago. I get a kick out of folks advising against something they've never tried. Seems foolish to me to work out the dosing for a product that is going away in a short period of time. Lantus for me is the next best thing to a new pancreas. My fasting/waking BG numbers are stable within the scatter of my meter. I doubt that they actually vary more than 5 points. Unless you're the very rare individual who doesn't work well with Lantus, you'll find it to be a shoot-it-and-forget-it proposition. --- De Armond See my website for my current email address http://www.johngsbbq.com Cleveland, Occupied TN Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2005 Report Share Posted August 10, 2005 Yes. > 120-200 carbs per day, half fiber > > > > Is this 120, etc counting the fiber? > > Is it really 60 to 100 carbs a day after the fiber is subtracted? > > Helen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2005 Report Share Posted August 10, 2005 Yes. > 120-200 carbs per day, half fiber > > > > Is this 120, etc counting the fiber? > > Is it really 60 to 100 carbs a day after the fiber is subtracted? > > Helen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2005 Report Share Posted August 10, 2005 Yes. > 120-200 carbs per day, half fiber > > > > Is this 120, etc counting the fiber? > > Is it really 60 to 100 carbs a day after the fiber is subtracted? > > Helen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2005 Report Share Posted August 10, 2005 A vegetarian who eats anchovies. > >lifestyle change to ancho-vegetarian eating and exercise< > > Hi , > > What is an ancho-vegetarian? > > Thanks, Dianne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2005 Report Share Posted August 10, 2005 A vegetarian who eats anchovies. > >lifestyle change to ancho-vegetarian eating and exercise< > > Hi , > > What is an ancho-vegetarian? > > Thanks, Dianne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2005 Report Share Posted August 10, 2005 A vegetarian who eats anchovies. > >lifestyle change to ancho-vegetarian eating and exercise< > > Hi , > > What is an ancho-vegetarian? > > Thanks, Dianne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2005 Report Share Posted August 10, 2005 , I hate to be the one to break the news to you - 60 to 100 carbs a day is considered moderate low carbing. 30 to 60 is considered strict low carbing. The ADA diet that I was on called for 6 to 8 servings of starch a day, which is 90 to 120 grams of carb, four fruits a day, another 40 grams, veggies, including many that they said were free, say another 40 grams per day, and two glasses of non fat milk, 20 or 30 grams? So we have about 220+ on a 1200 calorie diet. That's high carb. Because of the caloric restrictions, there was only one pat of butter allowed per day and four ounces of lean meat. All done with exchanges. Quite frankly, it worked. I lost about 30 pounds and had normalized bgs without any medication for several years. But things changed. Helen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2005 Report Share Posted August 10, 2005 , I hate to be the one to break the news to you - 60 to 100 carbs a day is considered moderate low carbing. 30 to 60 is considered strict low carbing. The ADA diet that I was on called for 6 to 8 servings of starch a day, which is 90 to 120 grams of carb, four fruits a day, another 40 grams, veggies, including many that they said were free, say another 40 grams per day, and two glasses of non fat milk, 20 or 30 grams? So we have about 220+ on a 1200 calorie diet. That's high carb. Because of the caloric restrictions, there was only one pat of butter allowed per day and four ounces of lean meat. All done with exchanges. Quite frankly, it worked. I lost about 30 pounds and had normalized bgs without any medication for several years. But things changed. Helen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2005 Report Share Posted August 10, 2005 , I hate to be the one to break the news to you - 60 to 100 carbs a day is considered moderate low carbing. 30 to 60 is considered strict low carbing. The ADA diet that I was on called for 6 to 8 servings of starch a day, which is 90 to 120 grams of carb, four fruits a day, another 40 grams, veggies, including many that they said were free, say another 40 grams per day, and two glasses of non fat milk, 20 or 30 grams? So we have about 220+ on a 1200 calorie diet. That's high carb. Because of the caloric restrictions, there was only one pat of butter allowed per day and four ounces of lean meat. All done with exchanges. Quite frankly, it worked. I lost about 30 pounds and had normalized bgs without any medication for several years. But things changed. Helen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2005 Report Share Posted August 10, 2005 Helen, you have not broken any news to me. I knew I was not doing high carb. The point is that I have not been TRYING to do high or low or any kind of a carb diet. Except smart carbs. If I ended it up what you call a moderate carb diet, so be it. That is what my meter said I could eat, so I ate it. But, when I hear folks on this list talk about doing the low carb thing, I get the impression that they are talking total carbs, including the fiber. So from that point of view, my 120-200 grams of total carb per day would be considered high carb, right? In fact, I think Cappie once told me that I eat more (total) carbs in one day than some folks on this list eat in a whole week. Since you have sort of touched on a related subject, as did another thread today, let me say that one of the things I was riduculed for when I first started posting was that my diet guidelines ALLOWED 45 to 70 gm of net carbs per meal (total minus fiber). Folks said (and still say) that I paid for nothing more than the ADA diet. What those folks never seem to understand is that I paid for guidelines, not commands. I paid for knowledge, not a cure. The main thing that the Lifestyle Center of America taught me was to do what was right for me. They taught me some basics, such as the importance of exercise, and gave me a bunch of knowledge, but they always stressed to do only what works for me. In other words, they taught me to take guidelines and fit them to me, not try to make me fit any guidelines. But enough about the Center already. We already know the general opinion this list has of the place. And I am obviously still a very satisfied customer going against the consensus. Such things make life interesting. For what it is worth, some folks have said that they got the same degree of control that I now have, just by reading books and doing lists. Great. For them. I know there is no way it would have worked for me. For me, it took spending all that money to see up close and personal that control was possible. Your milage may vary. P.S. - I am still NOT on their payroll. I don't even get a referral fee. And they are still a non-profit outfit. > , I hate to be the one to break the news to you - 60 to 100 carbs a > day is considered moderate low carbing. 30 to 60 is considered strict > low carbing. > > The ADA diet that I was on called for 6 to 8 servings of starch a day, > which is 90 to 120 grams of carb, four fruits a day, another 40 grams, > veggies, including many that they said were free, say another 40 grams > per day, and two glasses of non fat milk, 20 or 30 grams? So we have > about 220+ on a 1200 calorie diet. That's high carb. Because of the > caloric restrictions, there was only one pat of butter allowed per day > and four ounces of lean meat. All done with exchanges. > > Quite frankly, it worked. I lost about 30 pounds and had normalized bgs > without any medication for several years. But things changed. > > Helen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2005 Report Share Posted August 10, 2005 Helen, you have not broken any news to me. I knew I was not doing high carb. The point is that I have not been TRYING to do high or low or any kind of a carb diet. Except smart carbs. If I ended it up what you call a moderate carb diet, so be it. That is what my meter said I could eat, so I ate it. But, when I hear folks on this list talk about doing the low carb thing, I get the impression that they are talking total carbs, including the fiber. So from that point of view, my 120-200 grams of total carb per day would be considered high carb, right? In fact, I think Cappie once told me that I eat more (total) carbs in one day than some folks on this list eat in a whole week. Since you have sort of touched on a related subject, as did another thread today, let me say that one of the things I was riduculed for when I first started posting was that my diet guidelines ALLOWED 45 to 70 gm of net carbs per meal (total minus fiber). Folks said (and still say) that I paid for nothing more than the ADA diet. What those folks never seem to understand is that I paid for guidelines, not commands. I paid for knowledge, not a cure. The main thing that the Lifestyle Center of America taught me was to do what was right for me. They taught me some basics, such as the importance of exercise, and gave me a bunch of knowledge, but they always stressed to do only what works for me. In other words, they taught me to take guidelines and fit them to me, not try to make me fit any guidelines. But enough about the Center already. We already know the general opinion this list has of the place. And I am obviously still a very satisfied customer going against the consensus. Such things make life interesting. For what it is worth, some folks have said that they got the same degree of control that I now have, just by reading books and doing lists. Great. For them. I know there is no way it would have worked for me. For me, it took spending all that money to see up close and personal that control was possible. Your milage may vary. P.S. - I am still NOT on their payroll. I don't even get a referral fee. And they are still a non-profit outfit. > , I hate to be the one to break the news to you - 60 to 100 carbs a > day is considered moderate low carbing. 30 to 60 is considered strict > low carbing. > > The ADA diet that I was on called for 6 to 8 servings of starch a day, > which is 90 to 120 grams of carb, four fruits a day, another 40 grams, > veggies, including many that they said were free, say another 40 grams > per day, and two glasses of non fat milk, 20 or 30 grams? So we have > about 220+ on a 1200 calorie diet. That's high carb. Because of the > caloric restrictions, there was only one pat of butter allowed per day > and four ounces of lean meat. All done with exchanges. > > Quite frankly, it worked. I lost about 30 pounds and had normalized bgs > without any medication for several years. But things changed. > > Helen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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