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My ASD son has been on SCD from April 27, 2005. I've been giving him almond

yogurt and he was doing well except for constipation and stimming. I decided to

try homemade goat yogurt on July 18. I started with 1/8 tsp the first day and

1/2 tsp the second day I was excited because he had a normal BM on both days.

The third day I gave him 1/2 tsp again but instead of a BM around the time that

he would usually go, he was hyper, laughing with poor attention instead, after

being calm all day. I increased to 3 1/2 tsp the following day and he was calm

and had a BM but seemed to have sensory problems. The largest amount he has up

the last several days was 7 tsp and he had a tantrum that day. The other

symptoms he's had over the last few days were more aggressive and impulsive

behavior, and a coated tongue on Wednesday 7/27.

Should I stop the goat yogurt all together and go back to almond yogurt or just

decrease the amount? I didn't give him any yogurt today, just a probiotic

capsule and he is calm. Also the second batch of goat yogurt I made yesterday

was runny and I couldn't drip it like I did the first batch. Does that mean

there is still lactose in it because he woke up at 4 AM in the morning and was

walking around the house and he hasn't done that since he was 3 and still

drinking cow's milk.

Thanks in advance,

mom to 8 yr old ASD son

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Hi ,

> My ASD son has been on SCD from April 27, 2005. I've been giving

him almond yogurt and he was doing well except for constipation and

stimming. I decided to try homemade goat yogurt on July 18. I

started with 1/8 tsp the first day and 1/2 tsp the second day I was

excited because he had a normal BM on both days. The third day I

gave him 1/2 tsp again but instead of a BM around the time that he

would usually go, he was hyper, laughing with poor attention

instead, after being calm all day. I increased to 3 1/2 tsp the

following day and he was calm and had a BM but seemed to have

sensory problems. The largest amount he has up the last several

days was 7 tsp and he had a tantrum that day. The other symptoms

he's had over the last few days were more aggressive and impulsive

behavior, and a coated tongue on Wednesday 7/27.

> Should I stop the goat yogurt all together and go back to almond

yogurt or just decrease the amount?

You should probably stop it at least for a few days. When you are

ready to try again I would go even slower increasing the amounts and

skip days in between. Ther is a lot to get used to in the yogurt -

*a lot* of bacteria, enzymes etc. The yogurt may be clearing " kunk "

out of his system and causing a lot die off. So when ready again

using epsom salt baths and/or activated charcoal may help to ease

some discomfort.

>I didn't give him any yogurt today, just a probiotic capsule and he

is calm.

The yogurt may act farther down in the intestines so would have a

greater impact than probiotics alone.

> Also the second batch of goat yogurt I made yesterday was runny

and I couldn't drip it like I did the first batch. Does that mean

there is still lactose in it because he woke up at 4 AM in the

morning and was walking around the house and he hasn't done that

since he was 3 and still drinking cow's milk.

If it didn't set up like the other batch I'd be concerned about

using it.

About the constipation - what is he eating now and how is it

prepared?

Sheila, SCD 53 mos, 21 yrs UC

mom of , SCD 38 mos

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Hi ,

> My ASD son has been on SCD from April 27, 2005. I've been giving

him almond yogurt and he was doing well except for constipation and

stimming. I decided to try homemade goat yogurt on July 18. I

started with 1/8 tsp the first day and 1/2 tsp the second day I was

excited because he had a normal BM on both days. The third day I

gave him 1/2 tsp again but instead of a BM around the time that he

would usually go, he was hyper, laughing with poor attention

instead, after being calm all day. I increased to 3 1/2 tsp the

following day and he was calm and had a BM but seemed to have

sensory problems. The largest amount he has up the last several

days was 7 tsp and he had a tantrum that day. The other symptoms

he's had over the last few days were more aggressive and impulsive

behavior, and a coated tongue on Wednesday 7/27.

> Should I stop the goat yogurt all together and go back to almond

yogurt or just decrease the amount?

You should probably stop it at least for a few days. When you are

ready to try again I would go even slower increasing the amounts and

skip days in between. Ther is a lot to get used to in the yogurt -

*a lot* of bacteria, enzymes etc. The yogurt may be clearing " kunk "

out of his system and causing a lot die off. So when ready again

using epsom salt baths and/or activated charcoal may help to ease

some discomfort.

>I didn't give him any yogurt today, just a probiotic capsule and he

is calm.

The yogurt may act farther down in the intestines so would have a

greater impact than probiotics alone.

> Also the second batch of goat yogurt I made yesterday was runny

and I couldn't drip it like I did the first batch. Does that mean

there is still lactose in it because he woke up at 4 AM in the

morning and was walking around the house and he hasn't done that

since he was 3 and still drinking cow's milk.

If it didn't set up like the other batch I'd be concerned about

using it.

About the constipation - what is he eating now and how is it

prepared?

Sheila, SCD 53 mos, 21 yrs UC

mom of , SCD 38 mos

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Hi ,

> My ASD son has been on SCD from April 27, 2005. I've been giving

him almond yogurt and he was doing well except for constipation and

stimming. I decided to try homemade goat yogurt on July 18. I

started with 1/8 tsp the first day and 1/2 tsp the second day I was

excited because he had a normal BM on both days. The third day I

gave him 1/2 tsp again but instead of a BM around the time that he

would usually go, he was hyper, laughing with poor attention

instead, after being calm all day. I increased to 3 1/2 tsp the

following day and he was calm and had a BM but seemed to have

sensory problems. The largest amount he has up the last several

days was 7 tsp and he had a tantrum that day. The other symptoms

he's had over the last few days were more aggressive and impulsive

behavior, and a coated tongue on Wednesday 7/27.

> Should I stop the goat yogurt all together and go back to almond

yogurt or just decrease the amount?

You should probably stop it at least for a few days. When you are

ready to try again I would go even slower increasing the amounts and

skip days in between. Ther is a lot to get used to in the yogurt -

*a lot* of bacteria, enzymes etc. The yogurt may be clearing " kunk "

out of his system and causing a lot die off. So when ready again

using epsom salt baths and/or activated charcoal may help to ease

some discomfort.

>I didn't give him any yogurt today, just a probiotic capsule and he

is calm.

The yogurt may act farther down in the intestines so would have a

greater impact than probiotics alone.

> Also the second batch of goat yogurt I made yesterday was runny

and I couldn't drip it like I did the first batch. Does that mean

there is still lactose in it because he woke up at 4 AM in the

morning and was walking around the house and he hasn't done that

since he was 3 and still drinking cow's milk.

If it didn't set up like the other batch I'd be concerned about

using it.

About the constipation - what is he eating now and how is it

prepared?

Sheila, SCD 53 mos, 21 yrs UC

mom of , SCD 38 mos

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Hi ,

> He eats zucchini, butternut squash, green beans, carrots, pear.

I've tried peas & carrots and peach and he seemed to have been more

hyper during that time. I've also tried cauliflower once and did not

see any reaction to it.

I have trouble with peas (all legumes actually) but am okay with

cauliflower also.

> He also eats chicken, beef and eggs and on rare occasion fish.

The vegetables are boiled and the meat is either boiled or baked.

He also eats baked goods with almond flour. I did not give him any

almond for about a week to see if this may be causing the stimming

or constipation, but it didn't make any difference.

How much almond goods/day? Can you increase the amounts a bit to

see if it helps. The usual suggestion is to try prunes or prune

nectar to ease constipation. For some with yeast problems it

doesn't work. My constipation seemed to be caused by/made worse

with yeast. I've been using natural antifungals for many months and

recently started one of the yeast enzymes. That combo has really

made a difference for me.

> I have a hard time stopping eggs for more than 1 day because have

to hide his vegetables in pancake, omelette or muffin which seem to

fall apart if i don't use eggs. He drinks diluted Gerber pear juice

or Dole pineapple juice. I didn't want to give him apple or grape

juice because of the high fungal residues.

The gerber pear juice isn't legal.

> I have to give him juice to dissolve his supplements because he

can't swallow capsules or tablets. His supplements are legal

versions of

> magnesium, selenium, calcium, zinc, vitamin C and cod liver oil.

I think (?) that some posted about using cooked beets to help with

constipation. They may be an alternative to prunes/prune nectar.

Sheila

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Hi ,

> He eats zucchini, butternut squash, green beans, carrots, pear.

I've tried peas & carrots and peach and he seemed to have been more

hyper during that time. I've also tried cauliflower once and did not

see any reaction to it.

I have trouble with peas (all legumes actually) but am okay with

cauliflower also.

> He also eats chicken, beef and eggs and on rare occasion fish.

The vegetables are boiled and the meat is either boiled or baked.

He also eats baked goods with almond flour. I did not give him any

almond for about a week to see if this may be causing the stimming

or constipation, but it didn't make any difference.

How much almond goods/day? Can you increase the amounts a bit to

see if it helps. The usual suggestion is to try prunes or prune

nectar to ease constipation. For some with yeast problems it

doesn't work. My constipation seemed to be caused by/made worse

with yeast. I've been using natural antifungals for many months and

recently started one of the yeast enzymes. That combo has really

made a difference for me.

> I have a hard time stopping eggs for more than 1 day because have

to hide his vegetables in pancake, omelette or muffin which seem to

fall apart if i don't use eggs. He drinks diluted Gerber pear juice

or Dole pineapple juice. I didn't want to give him apple or grape

juice because of the high fungal residues.

The gerber pear juice isn't legal.

> I have to give him juice to dissolve his supplements because he

can't swallow capsules or tablets. His supplements are legal

versions of

> magnesium, selenium, calcium, zinc, vitamin C and cod liver oil.

I think (?) that some posted about using cooked beets to help with

constipation. They may be an alternative to prunes/prune nectar.

Sheila

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Hi Emma,

> yeah ive been thinking of making saurkraut its supposed to have

wonderful enzymes and probiotics - i just havnt been able to find

suitable containers to do it in???

You can make it in crock pots or glassware. If you don't own a crock

pot you can sometimes pick them up at thrift stores and yard sales.

> thats interesting that it caused die off - when the boys started

lactoferrin and candigest they both got runny noses and soft stools -

the manufacturers were quite surprised at that, said it was rare to

have die off!! mind you they also said that taking their antibiotics

etc wud make the enzymes have to work harder - but ive looked into it

at a few sites that have said that these products can only work

synergistically with anti fungals etc

>

> im considering putting it with caprylic acid wen their flare is

over - its been weeks on and off now so im hoping that theyll both

stabilise after the medicines and that there wont be much

inflammation that can be irritated by using it

You may want to rotate the antifungals (caprylic acid) to keep keep

ahead of the yeast becoming resistant. Also did you find out

anything about the caprylic acid and UC and why they are

contraindicated. I found some locally and am considering adding it

to my antifungal cache.

> i have to say that the nut yog seems to be taking hold - it appears

the batches i made previously havnt been much cop - last eve it came

out thick!!! which was an absolute first

>

> ill keep u posted

Please do :)

Sheila, SCD 54 mos, 21 yrs UC

mom of , SCD 39 mos

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hi sheils,

as far as im aware if ur during an ulcerative falre - the capryliv acid can

irritate it and cause it to become more inflamed - therefore my understanding of

this wud be if ur having d its a no, but if stools are fine and theres no

obvious pain etc it sud be okay

hth

emma

Sheila Trenholm sheilat@...> wrote:

Hi Emma,

> yeah ive been thinking of making saurkraut its supposed to have

wonderful enzymes and probiotics - i just havnt been able to find

suitable containers to do it in???

You can make it in crock pots or glassware. If you don't own a crock

pot you can sometimes pick them up at thrift stores and yard sales.

> thats interesting that it caused die off - when the boys started

lactoferrin and candigest they both got runny noses and soft stools -

the manufacturers were quite surprised at that, said it was rare to

have die off!! mind you they also said that taking their antibiotics

etc wud make the enzymes have to work harder - but ive looked into it

at a few sites that have said that these products can only work

synergistically with anti fungals etc

>

> im considering putting it with caprylic acid wen their flare is

over - its been weeks on and off now so im hoping that theyll both

stabilise after the medicines and that there wont be much

inflammation that can be irritated by using it

You may want to rotate the antifungals (caprylic acid) to keep keep

ahead of the yeast becoming resistant. Also did you find out

anything about the caprylic acid and UC and why they are

contraindicated. I found some locally and am considering adding it

to my antifungal cache.

> i have to say that the nut yog seems to be taking hold - it appears

the batches i made previously havnt been much cop - last eve it came

out thick!!! which was an absolute first

>

> ill keep u posted

Please do :)

Sheila, SCD 54 mos, 21 yrs UC

mom of , SCD 39 mos

For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book

_Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following

websites:

http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info

and

http://www.pecanbread.com

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