Guest guest Posted August 31, 2005 Report Share Posted August 31, 2005 > Ah. That nasty old set point is so tough to resist! Don't think it has anything to do with set point yet, because I haven't lost much weight between breakfast and lunch. Gretchen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 31, 2005 Report Share Posted August 31, 2005 I remember someone on this list saying that she told the doctor she counted carbs. She just didn't count very high. Robin G yoyo wrote: > Betsy Rome wrote: > > > > >For example, I know my internist is very down on lowcarb, > > Betsy > > > IMO it's best not to use that term. To many docs it's a fad buzzword, > with > associations to the much maligned Atkins. Most docs have never read his > book but immediately have visions of you eating a great slab of > sat-fat-dripping-meat/giant sides of bacon and tubs of butter. Docs feel > they are obliged to save you from this awful fate. They will not > know/believe that Atkins did not recommend no-carb, unlimited fats etc. > > Why discuss it at all? But if you have to/wish to, use different words. > Say you find you do well on carbs from vegetables, some fruit, a little > whole grain such as oatmeal...and leave it at that. If he/she doesn't > hear > the trigger buzzwords it will be ok. > > xxyy > -- > yoyo9@... > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 31, 2005 Report Share Posted August 31, 2005 I remember someone on this list saying that she told the doctor she counted carbs. She just didn't count very high. Robin G yoyo wrote: > Betsy Rome wrote: > > > > >For example, I know my internist is very down on lowcarb, > > Betsy > > > IMO it's best not to use that term. To many docs it's a fad buzzword, > with > associations to the much maligned Atkins. Most docs have never read his > book but immediately have visions of you eating a great slab of > sat-fat-dripping-meat/giant sides of bacon and tubs of butter. Docs feel > they are obliged to save you from this awful fate. They will not > know/believe that Atkins did not recommend no-carb, unlimited fats etc. > > Why discuss it at all? But if you have to/wish to, use different words. > Say you find you do well on carbs from vegetables, some fruit, a little > whole grain such as oatmeal...and leave it at that. If he/she doesn't > hear > the trigger buzzwords it will be ok. > > xxyy > -- > yoyo9@... > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 31, 2005 Report Share Posted August 31, 2005 I remember someone on this list saying that she told the doctor she counted carbs. She just didn't count very high. Robin G yoyo wrote: > Betsy Rome wrote: > > > > >For example, I know my internist is very down on lowcarb, > > Betsy > > > IMO it's best not to use that term. To many docs it's a fad buzzword, > with > associations to the much maligned Atkins. Most docs have never read his > book but immediately have visions of you eating a great slab of > sat-fat-dripping-meat/giant sides of bacon and tubs of butter. Docs feel > they are obliged to save you from this awful fate. They will not > know/believe that Atkins did not recommend no-carb, unlimited fats etc. > > Why discuss it at all? But if you have to/wish to, use different words. > Say you find you do well on carbs from vegetables, some fruit, a little > whole grain such as oatmeal...and leave it at that. If he/she doesn't > hear > the trigger buzzwords it will be ok. > > xxyy > -- > yoyo9@... > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 31, 2005 Report Share Posted August 31, 2005 When Asked, I just say that I am doing 'reduced carbs', I just don't say how reduced. > I remember someone on this list saying that she told the doctor she > counted carbs. She just didn't count very high. > > Robin G > yoyo wrote: > >> Betsy Rome wrote: >>> >>> For example, I know my internist is very down on lowcarb, >>> Betsy >>> >>> >> IMO it's best not to use that term. To many docs it's a fad >> buzzword, >> with associations to the much maligned Atkins. =+=+=+=+=+=+= Maurer Type II diabetic since 4/87 (diet, exercise, & meds) Insulin dependent Type II since 9/04 (diet, exercise, Lantus, Humalog, & Metformin XR) =+=+=+=+=+=+= Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 31, 2005 Report Share Posted August 31, 2005 When Asked, I just say that I am doing 'reduced carbs', I just don't say how reduced. > I remember someone on this list saying that she told the doctor she > counted carbs. She just didn't count very high. > > Robin G > yoyo wrote: > >> Betsy Rome wrote: >>> >>> For example, I know my internist is very down on lowcarb, >>> Betsy >>> >>> >> IMO it's best not to use that term. To many docs it's a fad >> buzzword, >> with associations to the much maligned Atkins. =+=+=+=+=+=+= Maurer Type II diabetic since 4/87 (diet, exercise, & meds) Insulin dependent Type II since 9/04 (diet, exercise, Lantus, Humalog, & Metformin XR) =+=+=+=+=+=+= Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 22, 2005 Report Share Posted September 22, 2005 No disrespect,intended Sounds to me like you need, to get a new doctor. Any doctor who does not want thier diabetes patients,to test ,make me very suspicious,as well. Yes,you should have an Endo,they are the experts,when it comes to Diabetes treatments. Yes, you should have a meter,otherwise how do you know how you are doing. If you test & record your numbers in a logbook,then you can see how you are doing,that gives you the power & taking control your self is is great. knowledge is power ,so findout everything you can & use it to help yourself. Diabetes will not go away, if you have it, then you are stuck with it like the rest of us. It is always good to lose weight,if you might be overweight,that can help,but it's not a cure. I know i'm overweight & doing my best to remove pounds,it's a struggle,but worth the hard work in the end. So far there is no cure for Diabetes. The researchers still working on that. Going to see the doctor every month is good.so is getting the lab tests done. Hope this helps. From Southern Ontario type 2 ,insulin dependant Kore wrote: Hi Betsy, >* My doctor is my family internist. Should I also consider seeing a diabetes specialist or is this sufficient?< It depends on the doctor. If she is against your testing your blood glucose that makes me suspicious about the depth of her knowledge. Getting control of Diabetes Type II is dependent on your learning as much about how your particular body reacts as possible. This is not a one-size-fits-all disease. >reduce portions...break meals up into several small meals/day, eat a healthy lowfat diet of fruits, veg, non-red meat, whole grains, and exercise.< This might work for you, or it might not. She's assuming that DM is cut and dried, but many of us have found that we vary from the what is considered the norm. >She wants me to get monthly fasting blood sugar tests at the lab, along with a monthly doctor visit.< There are so many variations. Some people can eat grains, some can't (by *can't* I mean without our blood glucose going high). Two small low carb corn tortillas make my blood sugars spike over 200, but a friend has no trouble with them at all. How can you know what's true for you without testing several times a day? >Hopefully if I lose the weight, the diabetes will go away.< When I hear this theory it worries me. I've lost approx 100 lbs and mine hasn't gone away, others have lost even more. >I asked about whether I should get a meter & do my own testing and she said no, just follow the regime for now. Does this sound sufficient?< Not to me. Dianne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 22, 2005 Report Share Posted September 22, 2005 No disrespect,intended Sounds to me like you need, to get a new doctor. Any doctor who does not want thier diabetes patients,to test ,make me very suspicious,as well. Yes,you should have an Endo,they are the experts,when it comes to Diabetes treatments. Yes, you should have a meter,otherwise how do you know how you are doing. If you test & record your numbers in a logbook,then you can see how you are doing,that gives you the power & taking control your self is is great. knowledge is power ,so findout everything you can & use it to help yourself. Diabetes will not go away, if you have it, then you are stuck with it like the rest of us. It is always good to lose weight,if you might be overweight,that can help,but it's not a cure. I know i'm overweight & doing my best to remove pounds,it's a struggle,but worth the hard work in the end. So far there is no cure for Diabetes. The researchers still working on that. Going to see the doctor every month is good.so is getting the lab tests done. Hope this helps. From Southern Ontario type 2 ,insulin dependant Kore wrote: Hi Betsy, >* My doctor is my family internist. Should I also consider seeing a diabetes specialist or is this sufficient?< It depends on the doctor. If she is against your testing your blood glucose that makes me suspicious about the depth of her knowledge. Getting control of Diabetes Type II is dependent on your learning as much about how your particular body reacts as possible. This is not a one-size-fits-all disease. >reduce portions...break meals up into several small meals/day, eat a healthy lowfat diet of fruits, veg, non-red meat, whole grains, and exercise.< This might work for you, or it might not. She's assuming that DM is cut and dried, but many of us have found that we vary from the what is considered the norm. >She wants me to get monthly fasting blood sugar tests at the lab, along with a monthly doctor visit.< There are so many variations. Some people can eat grains, some can't (by *can't* I mean without our blood glucose going high). Two small low carb corn tortillas make my blood sugars spike over 200, but a friend has no trouble with them at all. How can you know what's true for you without testing several times a day? >Hopefully if I lose the weight, the diabetes will go away.< When I hear this theory it worries me. I've lost approx 100 lbs and mine hasn't gone away, others have lost even more. >I asked about whether I should get a meter & do my own testing and she said no, just follow the regime for now. Does this sound sufficient?< Not to me. Dianne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 22, 2005 Report Share Posted September 22, 2005 No disrespect,intended Sounds to me like you need, to get a new doctor. Any doctor who does not want thier diabetes patients,to test ,make me very suspicious,as well. Yes,you should have an Endo,they are the experts,when it comes to Diabetes treatments. Yes, you should have a meter,otherwise how do you know how you are doing. If you test & record your numbers in a logbook,then you can see how you are doing,that gives you the power & taking control your self is is great. knowledge is power ,so findout everything you can & use it to help yourself. Diabetes will not go away, if you have it, then you are stuck with it like the rest of us. It is always good to lose weight,if you might be overweight,that can help,but it's not a cure. I know i'm overweight & doing my best to remove pounds,it's a struggle,but worth the hard work in the end. So far there is no cure for Diabetes. The researchers still working on that. Going to see the doctor every month is good.so is getting the lab tests done. Hope this helps. From Southern Ontario type 2 ,insulin dependant Kore wrote: Hi Betsy, >* My doctor is my family internist. Should I also consider seeing a diabetes specialist or is this sufficient?< It depends on the doctor. If she is against your testing your blood glucose that makes me suspicious about the depth of her knowledge. Getting control of Diabetes Type II is dependent on your learning as much about how your particular body reacts as possible. This is not a one-size-fits-all disease. >reduce portions...break meals up into several small meals/day, eat a healthy lowfat diet of fruits, veg, non-red meat, whole grains, and exercise.< This might work for you, or it might not. She's assuming that DM is cut and dried, but many of us have found that we vary from the what is considered the norm. >She wants me to get monthly fasting blood sugar tests at the lab, along with a monthly doctor visit.< There are so many variations. Some people can eat grains, some can't (by *can't* I mean without our blood glucose going high). Two small low carb corn tortillas make my blood sugars spike over 200, but a friend has no trouble with them at all. How can you know what's true for you without testing several times a day? >Hopefully if I lose the weight, the diabetes will go away.< When I hear this theory it worries me. I've lost approx 100 lbs and mine hasn't gone away, others have lost even more. >I asked about whether I should get a meter & do my own testing and she said no, just follow the regime for now. Does this sound sufficient?< Not to me. Dianne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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