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Hello all,

I was recently laid up with a bad kidney infection.

Unfortunately it seems to have triggered RSD in the thoracic and lumbar areas

of my back. My doctor has me using lidocaine patches and percoset (I try

to use Ultram during the day so I can think better). If the pain doesn’t

improve soon she is going to try blocks.

Upon reflection, this is not the first time I have had

symptoms of RSD (though the symptoms are much worse now). Nine years ago

I suffered a repetitive strain injury in my thumbs and had terrible pain and

sensitivity, and about five years ago my thighs became incredibly sensitive (I

couldn’t keep anything in my pockets for a year). Both times I

eventually got better. I attributed the sensitivity to fibromyalgia.

So (and I know y’all are tired, so don’t feel

like you have to answer all my questions):

1)

From reading, it looks like RSD is usually in an

extremity. I’m more sensitive all over, but it’s my back that

really hurts. I don’t know what to think about this. Does the

affected area affect how it can spread?

2)

Since I have had flares and remissions before, how

likely is it that this episode won’t progress much? I know everyone’s

different, but I don’t have the faintest idea what to expect here.

3)

Since this is not my first episode, I assume it is

likely I will have more. I was thinking of going to medical school, but

if this keeps up it seems like a bad idea – I won’t be able to make

it through. While it’s not a total disaster, if it’s at all

likely I’d like to know so I can concentrate on other things.

4)

Is there anything I should absolutely avoid? I

read on one page that I should never use ice.

5)

This is petty, but I’m enjoying the fast hair

and nail growth right now! (I’ve never had long hair in my life, so

this is an interesting change.) How long can I expect this to last?

I’m doing OK with this right now. Since I’ve

been dealing with a chronic pain condition since I was 20 (nine years) this is

pretty much just more of the same. I’ve gotten used to adapting

over the years.

I have a bachelor’s degree in philosophy, but I went

back to school to take medical school prerequisites. I had to drop

biology this semester since I missed so much class with the kidney infection I couldn’t

catch up. I suppose that’s one reason I’m not terribly upset –

I was in pain already, and I was already retraining so I can just shift my

expectations if I need to. I’ve been working as a massage therapist

(nationally certified) for the last couple of years, but I don’t think I

can go back to that for a while, if ever.

Molly

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Hello Molly, I dont think that we have meet, but I'm Pam and i had flare ups and remissions for almost 10 years and then almost a year ago it kicked in full force and hasnt stopped since. so I dont know what to tell you except that I pray it goes back in remission for you. Dont know every one is different.but with my experience is that heat or hot water gives me more releif. but you have to try what works for you.I wish you the best and i will pray you have a remission again soft hugs PamMolly Bowling wrote:

Hello all,

I was recently laid up with a bad kidney infection. Unfortunately it seems to have triggered RSD in the thoracic and lumbar areas of my back. My doctor has me using lidocaine patches and percoset (I try to use Ultram during the day so I can think better). If the pain doesn’t improve soon she is going to try blocks.

Upon reflection, this is not the first time I have had symptoms of RSD (though the symptoms are much worse now). Nine years ago I suffered a repetitive strain injury in my thumbs and had terrible pain and sensitivity, and about five years ago my thighs became incredibly sensitive (I couldn’t keep anything in my pockets for a year). Both times I eventually got better. I attributed the sensitivity to fibromyalgia.

So (and I know y’all are tired, so don’t feel like you have to answer all my questions):

1) From reading, it looks like RSD is usually in an extremity. I’m more sensitive all over, but it’s my back that really hurts. I don’t know what to think about this. Does the affected area affect how it can spread?

2) Since I have had flares and remissions before, how likely is it that this episode won’t progress much? I know everyone’s different, but I don’t have the faintest idea what to expect here.

3) Since this is not my first episode, I assume it is likely I will have more. I was thinking of going to medical school, but if this keeps up it seems like a bad idea – I won’t be able to make it through. While it’s not a total disaster, if it’s at all likely I’d like to know so I can concentrate on other things.

4) Is there anything I should absolutely avoid? I read on one page that I should never use ice.

5) This is petty, but I’m enjoying the fast hair and nail growth right now! (I’ve never had long hair in my life, so this is an interesting change.) How long can I expect this to last?

I’m doing OK with this right now. Since I’ve been dealing with a chronic pain condition since I was 20 (nine years) this is pretty much just more of the same. I’ve gotten used to adapting over the years.

I have a bachelor’s degree in philosophy, but I went back to school to take medical school prerequisites. I had to drop biology this semester since I missed so much class with the kidney infection I couldn’t catch up. I suppose that’s one reason I’m not terribly upset – I was in pain already, and I was already retraining so I can just shift my expectations if I need to. I’ve been working as a massage therapist (nationally certified) for the last couple of years, but I don’t think I can go back to that for a while, if ever.

Molly

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Hello Molly, I dont think that we have meet, but I'm Pam and i had flare ups and remissions for almost 10 years and then almost a year ago it kicked in full force and hasnt stopped since. so I dont know what to tell you except that I pray it goes back in remission for you. Dont know every one is different.but with my experience is that heat or hot water gives me more releif. but you have to try what works for you.I wish you the best and i will pray you have a remission again soft hugs PamMolly Bowling wrote:

Hello all,

I was recently laid up with a bad kidney infection. Unfortunately it seems to have triggered RSD in the thoracic and lumbar areas of my back. My doctor has me using lidocaine patches and percoset (I try to use Ultram during the day so I can think better). If the pain doesn’t improve soon she is going to try blocks.

Upon reflection, this is not the first time I have had symptoms of RSD (though the symptoms are much worse now). Nine years ago I suffered a repetitive strain injury in my thumbs and had terrible pain and sensitivity, and about five years ago my thighs became incredibly sensitive (I couldn’t keep anything in my pockets for a year). Both times I eventually got better. I attributed the sensitivity to fibromyalgia.

So (and I know y’all are tired, so don’t feel like you have to answer all my questions):

1) From reading, it looks like RSD is usually in an extremity. I’m more sensitive all over, but it’s my back that really hurts. I don’t know what to think about this. Does the affected area affect how it can spread?

2) Since I have had flares and remissions before, how likely is it that this episode won’t progress much? I know everyone’s different, but I don’t have the faintest idea what to expect here.

3) Since this is not my first episode, I assume it is likely I will have more. I was thinking of going to medical school, but if this keeps up it seems like a bad idea – I won’t be able to make it through. While it’s not a total disaster, if it’s at all likely I’d like to know so I can concentrate on other things.

4) Is there anything I should absolutely avoid? I read on one page that I should never use ice.

5) This is petty, but I’m enjoying the fast hair and nail growth right now! (I’ve never had long hair in my life, so this is an interesting change.) How long can I expect this to last?

I’m doing OK with this right now. Since I’ve been dealing with a chronic pain condition since I was 20 (nine years) this is pretty much just more of the same. I’ve gotten used to adapting over the years.

I have a bachelor’s degree in philosophy, but I went back to school to take medical school prerequisites. I had to drop biology this semester since I missed so much class with the kidney infection I couldn’t catch up. I suppose that’s one reason I’m not terribly upset – I was in pain already, and I was already retraining so I can just shift my expectations if I need to. I’ve been working as a massage therapist (nationally certified) for the last couple of years, but I don’t think I can go back to that for a while, if ever.

Molly

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Hello Molly, I dont think that we have meet, but I'm Pam and i had flare ups and remissions for almost 10 years and then almost a year ago it kicked in full force and hasnt stopped since. so I dont know what to tell you except that I pray it goes back in remission for you. Dont know every one is different.but with my experience is that heat or hot water gives me more releif. but you have to try what works for you.I wish you the best and i will pray you have a remission again soft hugs PamMolly Bowling wrote:

Hello all,

I was recently laid up with a bad kidney infection. Unfortunately it seems to have triggered RSD in the thoracic and lumbar areas of my back. My doctor has me using lidocaine patches and percoset (I try to use Ultram during the day so I can think better). If the pain doesn’t improve soon she is going to try blocks.

Upon reflection, this is not the first time I have had symptoms of RSD (though the symptoms are much worse now). Nine years ago I suffered a repetitive strain injury in my thumbs and had terrible pain and sensitivity, and about five years ago my thighs became incredibly sensitive (I couldn’t keep anything in my pockets for a year). Both times I eventually got better. I attributed the sensitivity to fibromyalgia.

So (and I know y’all are tired, so don’t feel like you have to answer all my questions):

1) From reading, it looks like RSD is usually in an extremity. I’m more sensitive all over, but it’s my back that really hurts. I don’t know what to think about this. Does the affected area affect how it can spread?

2) Since I have had flares and remissions before, how likely is it that this episode won’t progress much? I know everyone’s different, but I don’t have the faintest idea what to expect here.

3) Since this is not my first episode, I assume it is likely I will have more. I was thinking of going to medical school, but if this keeps up it seems like a bad idea – I won’t be able to make it through. While it’s not a total disaster, if it’s at all likely I’d like to know so I can concentrate on other things.

4) Is there anything I should absolutely avoid? I read on one page that I should never use ice.

5) This is petty, but I’m enjoying the fast hair and nail growth right now! (I’ve never had long hair in my life, so this is an interesting change.) How long can I expect this to last?

I’m doing OK with this right now. Since I’ve been dealing with a chronic pain condition since I was 20 (nine years) this is pretty much just more of the same. I’ve gotten used to adapting over the years.

I have a bachelor’s degree in philosophy, but I went back to school to take medical school prerequisites. I had to drop biology this semester since I missed so much class with the kidney infection I couldn’t catch up. I suppose that’s one reason I’m not terribly upset – I was in pain already, and I was already retraining so I can just shift my expectations if I need to. I’ve been working as a massage therapist (nationally certified) for the last couple of years, but I don’t think I can go back to that for a while, if ever.

Molly

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Molly,

Hope I can answer you questions some...

1. RSD can come from anytime type of injury...the most common are soft tissue, breaks, or sugery...what happens is you don't heal "normally" something goes wrong with the healing process..The injury is more painful and last alot longer then usual...then you get symtoms of RSD...like excessive pain...excessive swelling...hair growth or loss...numbness and tingling...burning pain...discoloration of the skin like blotchy red and purple....the area may be very hot to the touch..or very cold..sweating can occur...it usually starts at the injury but once you have RSD is can affect any area of the body at anytime...since the sympathetic nerve sytem controls all those things and all over your body...it can reak havoc anywhere. It can mirror where your originally injury was..so say your left wrist was sprained...and then you get RSD..your whole left arm can be afected...and it can then be mirrored and your whole right arm could swell and have all the sypmtos of RSD too. I

personally had a soft tissue injury to my neck...and then when I got RSD I had my whole right arm affected and my lower right side of my face and the right side of the back of the head...and now i have my whole upper body affected by it.

2. This affects every one differently. Since you have gone into remission before....it is possible it will go into remission again. For some it never goes into remsiion and gets increasingly worse. I hope you go back into remission whatever was done for you before obviously helped and I would try to continue on that track.

3. It is likely to hapen again...if you go into remission it can be for a long time or short all depending on how this affects you...I know my memory has been affected...and I know my concetration has too..I can not advise you to what to do about medical school...but don't give up on your dreams.

4. Ice is a definite no. Overdoing it is also bad. Stress and depression can worsen the symptoms too. Again it affects differently in each person you have to figure out what else makes you worse and what makes you feel better...what works for me doesn't mean it will work for you.

5. Unlike you the only hair growth i have is on my hand and wrist and arm and i am not enjoying it...It can last for months or years..depending on how your body is affected.

I hope this gave you some help...welcome to the group!..Hugs..GinnyMolly Bowling wrote:

Hello all,

I was recently laid up with a bad kidney infection. Unfortunately it seems to have triggered RSD in the thoracic and lumbar areas of my back. My doctor has me using lidocaine patches and percoset (I try to use Ultram during the day so I can think better). If the pain doesn’t improve soon she is going to try blocks.

Upon reflection, this is not the first time I have had symptoms of RSD (though the symptoms are much worse now). Nine years ago I suffered a repetitive strain injury in my thumbs and had terrible pain and sensitivity, and about five years ago my thighs became incredibly sensitive (I couldn’t keep anything in my pockets for a year). Both times I eventually got better. I attributed the sensitivity to fibromyalgia.

So (and I know y’all are tired, so don’t feel like you have to answer all my questions):

1) From reading, it looks like RSD is usually in an extremity. I’m more sensitive all over, but it’s my back that really hurts. I don’t know what to think about this. Does the affected area affect how it can spread?

2) Since I have had flares and remissions before, how likely is it that this episode won’t progress much? I know everyone’s different, but I don’t have the faintest idea what to expect here.

3) Since this is not my first episode, I assume it is likely I will have more. I was thinking of going to medical school, but if this keeps up it seems like a bad idea – I won’t be able to make it through. While it’s not a total disaster, if it’s at all likely I’d like to know so I can concentrate on other things.

4) Is there anything I should absolutely avoid? I read on one page that I should never use ice.

5) This is petty, but I’m enjoying the fast hair and nail growth right now! (I’ve never had long hair in my life, so this is an interesting change.) How long can I expect this to last?

I’m doing OK with this right now. Since I’ve been dealing with a chronic pain condition since I was 20 (nine years) this is pretty much just more of the same. I’ve gotten used to adapting over the years.

I have a bachelor’s degree in philosophy, but I went back to school to take medical school prerequisites. I had to drop biology this semester since I missed so much class with the kidney infection I couldn’t catch up. I suppose that’s one reason I’m not terribly upset – I was in pain already, and I was already retraining so I can just shift my expectations if I need to. I’ve been working as a massage therapist (nationally certified) for the last couple of years, but I don’t think I can go back to that for a while, if ever.

Molly

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>

> >> What do you feel is the likelihood of regain, though? Is

there benefit from losing only to regain?

> >>

> >Some people *are* able to keep the weight off.

> >

> Do you feel comfortable estimating the odds of keeping it

off?

>

I feel totally comfortable estimating my odds of keeping mine off.

100%. Because I know how much work I'm prepared to do and how much

discipline I'm prepared to exercise.

That's where YMMV comes in. If the patient is not prepared to make the

attempt, or is looking for excuses, I can also estimate the odds

pretty well. Also 100% - that they won't lose weight.

There are many studies on the " average " diabetic and the natural

progression of type 2 diabetes for those " average " diabetics. I don't

think they apply to me any more than I think those studies of yo-yo

dieters apply to me. I'm more pro-active and committed than those

study subjects - and so are the majority of readers here in my

opinion. That's why some of them are here.

You can use studies of that type as educational: what did they do

wrong, how can I learn from that? Or you can use them as excuses: they

failed so I needn't try. The choice is ours.

I'm not the best example, many here have done better than me, but in

my case I lost 28Kg(62lbs), I relaxed and gradually regained 8Kg then

I stabilised for over a year with a net loss of 20Kg(44lbs). I'm

slowly losing again - because I decided to start a new stage. But I'm

not getting stressed about it.

It's even harder to keep the weight off if you don't lose it in the

first place.

Cheers Alan, T2 d & e, Australia

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>

> >> What do you feel is the likelihood of regain, though? Is

there benefit from losing only to regain?

> >>

> >Some people *are* able to keep the weight off.

> >

> Do you feel comfortable estimating the odds of keeping it

off?

>

I feel totally comfortable estimating my odds of keeping mine off.

100%. Because I know how much work I'm prepared to do and how much

discipline I'm prepared to exercise.

That's where YMMV comes in. If the patient is not prepared to make the

attempt, or is looking for excuses, I can also estimate the odds

pretty well. Also 100% - that they won't lose weight.

There are many studies on the " average " diabetic and the natural

progression of type 2 diabetes for those " average " diabetics. I don't

think they apply to me any more than I think those studies of yo-yo

dieters apply to me. I'm more pro-active and committed than those

study subjects - and so are the majority of readers here in my

opinion. That's why some of them are here.

You can use studies of that type as educational: what did they do

wrong, how can I learn from that? Or you can use them as excuses: they

failed so I needn't try. The choice is ours.

I'm not the best example, many here have done better than me, but in

my case I lost 28Kg(62lbs), I relaxed and gradually regained 8Kg then

I stabilised for over a year with a net loss of 20Kg(44lbs). I'm

slowly losing again - because I decided to start a new stage. But I'm

not getting stressed about it.

It's even harder to keep the weight off if you don't lose it in the

first place.

Cheers Alan, T2 d & e, Australia

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>

> >> What do you feel is the likelihood of regain, though? Is

there benefit from losing only to regain?

> >>

> >Some people *are* able to keep the weight off.

> >

> Do you feel comfortable estimating the odds of keeping it

off?

>

I feel totally comfortable estimating my odds of keeping mine off.

100%. Because I know how much work I'm prepared to do and how much

discipline I'm prepared to exercise.

That's where YMMV comes in. If the patient is not prepared to make the

attempt, or is looking for excuses, I can also estimate the odds

pretty well. Also 100% - that they won't lose weight.

There are many studies on the " average " diabetic and the natural

progression of type 2 diabetes for those " average " diabetics. I don't

think they apply to me any more than I think those studies of yo-yo

dieters apply to me. I'm more pro-active and committed than those

study subjects - and so are the majority of readers here in my

opinion. That's why some of them are here.

You can use studies of that type as educational: what did they do

wrong, how can I learn from that? Or you can use them as excuses: they

failed so I needn't try. The choice is ours.

I'm not the best example, many here have done better than me, but in

my case I lost 28Kg(62lbs), I relaxed and gradually regained 8Kg then

I stabilised for over a year with a net loss of 20Kg(44lbs). I'm

slowly losing again - because I decided to start a new stage. But I'm

not getting stressed about it.

It's even harder to keep the weight off if you don't lose it in the

first place.

Cheers Alan, T2 d & e, Australia

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> But I was eating a lot because I'm a Clean Plates Club type.

> I couldn't stand to waste food.

>

> Gretchen

I have one of those weird memories which is triggered by certain

phrases. " Clean the plate " always reminds me of Allan Sherman's " Hail

to thee, Fat Person " that I had on LP in 1964. Allan Sherman was the

singer of the lament from Summer Camp, " Hullo Mother, Hello Father "

Hail To Thee, Fat Person

(recited with a background of stirring, swelling, " America The

Beautiful " :-)

http://tinyurl.com/9udw6

I would like to explain how it came to pass that I got fat.

Ladies and gentlemen, I got fat as a public service.

When I was a child, my mother said to me,

" Clean the plate, because children are starving in Europe. "

And I might point out that that was years before the Marshall Plan

was ever heard of.

So I would clean the plate, four, five, six times a day.

Because somehow I felt that that would keep the children from starving

in Europe.

But I was wrong. They kept starving. And I got fat.

So I would like to say to every one of you who is either skinny

or in some other way normal--

When you walk out on the street, and you see a fat person,

Do not scoff at that fat person. Oh no!

Take off your hat. Hold it over your heart.

Lift your chin up high. And in a proud, happy voice say to him,

" Hail to thee, fat person!

You kept us out of war! "

Cheers Alan, T2 d & e, Australia

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> But I was eating a lot because I'm a Clean Plates Club type.

> I couldn't stand to waste food.

>

> Gretchen

I have one of those weird memories which is triggered by certain

phrases. " Clean the plate " always reminds me of Allan Sherman's " Hail

to thee, Fat Person " that I had on LP in 1964. Allan Sherman was the

singer of the lament from Summer Camp, " Hullo Mother, Hello Father "

Hail To Thee, Fat Person

(recited with a background of stirring, swelling, " America The

Beautiful " :-)

http://tinyurl.com/9udw6

I would like to explain how it came to pass that I got fat.

Ladies and gentlemen, I got fat as a public service.

When I was a child, my mother said to me,

" Clean the plate, because children are starving in Europe. "

And I might point out that that was years before the Marshall Plan

was ever heard of.

So I would clean the plate, four, five, six times a day.

Because somehow I felt that that would keep the children from starving

in Europe.

But I was wrong. They kept starving. And I got fat.

So I would like to say to every one of you who is either skinny

or in some other way normal--

When you walk out on the street, and you see a fat person,

Do not scoff at that fat person. Oh no!

Take off your hat. Hold it over your heart.

Lift your chin up high. And in a proud, happy voice say to him,

" Hail to thee, fat person!

You kept us out of war! "

Cheers Alan, T2 d & e, Australia

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I remember that!

But wasn't it " Hello, Mudda, Hello Fadda " ? (fake Brooklyn accent)

Vicki, remembering fondly...

Re: newbie questions

>

>> But I was eating a lot because I'm a Clean Plates Club type.

>> I couldn't stand to waste food.

>>

>> Gretchen

>

> I have one of those weird memories which is triggered by certain

> phrases. " Clean the plate " always reminds me of Allan Sherman's " Hail

> to thee, Fat Person " that I had on LP in 1964. Allan Sherman was the

> singer of the lament from Summer Camp, " Hullo Mother, Hello Father "

>

> Hail To Thee, Fat Person

> (recited with a background of stirring, swelling, " America The

> Beautiful " :-)

> http://tinyurl.com/9udw6

>

> I would like to explain how it came to pass that I got fat.

> Ladies and gentlemen, I got fat as a public service.

> When I was a child, my mother said to me,

> " Clean the plate, because children are starving in Europe. "

> And I might point out that that was years before the Marshall Plan

> was ever heard of.

> So I would clean the plate, four, five, six times a day.

> Because somehow I felt that that would keep the children from starving

> in Europe.

> But I was wrong. They kept starving. And I got fat.

> So I would like to say to every one of you who is either skinny

> or in some other way normal--

> When you walk out on the street, and you see a fat person,

> Do not scoff at that fat person. Oh no!

> Take off your hat. Hold it over your heart.

> Lift your chin up high. And in a proud, happy voice say to him,

> " Hail to thee, fat person!

> You kept us out of war! "

>

> Cheers Alan, T2 d & e, Australia

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I remember that!

But wasn't it " Hello, Mudda, Hello Fadda " ? (fake Brooklyn accent)

Vicki, remembering fondly...

Re: newbie questions

>

>> But I was eating a lot because I'm a Clean Plates Club type.

>> I couldn't stand to waste food.

>>

>> Gretchen

>

> I have one of those weird memories which is triggered by certain

> phrases. " Clean the plate " always reminds me of Allan Sherman's " Hail

> to thee, Fat Person " that I had on LP in 1964. Allan Sherman was the

> singer of the lament from Summer Camp, " Hullo Mother, Hello Father "

>

> Hail To Thee, Fat Person

> (recited with a background of stirring, swelling, " America The

> Beautiful " :-)

> http://tinyurl.com/9udw6

>

> I would like to explain how it came to pass that I got fat.

> Ladies and gentlemen, I got fat as a public service.

> When I was a child, my mother said to me,

> " Clean the plate, because children are starving in Europe. "

> And I might point out that that was years before the Marshall Plan

> was ever heard of.

> So I would clean the plate, four, five, six times a day.

> Because somehow I felt that that would keep the children from starving

> in Europe.

> But I was wrong. They kept starving. And I got fat.

> So I would like to say to every one of you who is either skinny

> or in some other way normal--

> When you walk out on the street, and you see a fat person,

> Do not scoff at that fat person. Oh no!

> Take off your hat. Hold it over your heart.

> Lift your chin up high. And in a proud, happy voice say to him,

> " Hail to thee, fat person!

> You kept us out of war! "

>

> Cheers Alan, T2 d & e, Australia

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Betsy Rome wrote:

>

>For example, I know my internist is very down on lowcarb,

> Betsy

>

IMO it's best not to use that term. To many docs it's a fad buzzword, with

associations to the much maligned Atkins. Most docs have never read his

book but immediately have visions of you eating a great slab of

sat-fat-dripping-meat/giant sides of bacon and tubs of butter. Docs feel

they are obliged to save you from this awful fate. They will not

know/believe that Atkins did not recommend no-carb, unlimited fats etc.

Why discuss it at all? But if you have to/wish to, use different words.

Say you find you do well on carbs from vegetables, some fruit, a little

whole grain such as oatmeal...and leave it at that. If he/she doesn't hear

the trigger buzzwords it will be ok.

xxyy

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Good point!

Vicki

Re: Re: newbie questions

> Betsy Rome wrote:

>

>>

>>For example, I know my internist is very down on lowcarb,

>> Betsy

>>

> IMO it's best not to use that term. To many docs it's a fad buzzword,

> with

> associations to the much maligned Atkins. Most docs have never read

> his

> book but immediately have visions of you eating a great slab of

> sat-fat-dripping-meat/giant sides of bacon and tubs of butter. Docs

> feel

> they are obliged to save you from this awful fate. They will not

> know/believe that Atkins did not recommend no-carb, unlimited fats

> etc.

>

> Why discuss it at all? But if you have to/wish to, use different

> words.

> Say you find you do well on carbs from vegetables, some fruit, a

> little

> whole grain such as oatmeal...and leave it at that. If he/she doesn't

> hear

> the trigger buzzwords it will be ok.

>

> xxyy

> --

> yoyo9@...

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Good point!

Vicki

Re: Re: newbie questions

> Betsy Rome wrote:

>

>>

>>For example, I know my internist is very down on lowcarb,

>> Betsy

>>

> IMO it's best not to use that term. To many docs it's a fad buzzword,

> with

> associations to the much maligned Atkins. Most docs have never read

> his

> book but immediately have visions of you eating a great slab of

> sat-fat-dripping-meat/giant sides of bacon and tubs of butter. Docs

> feel

> they are obliged to save you from this awful fate. They will not

> know/believe that Atkins did not recommend no-carb, unlimited fats

> etc.

>

> Why discuss it at all? But if you have to/wish to, use different

> words.

> Say you find you do well on carbs from vegetables, some fruit, a

> little

> whole grain such as oatmeal...and leave it at that. If he/she doesn't

> hear

> the trigger buzzwords it will be ok.

>

> xxyy

> --

> yoyo9@...

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Alan wrote:

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>

>

>>However, the best way to get me to do something is to tell me

>>I can't, so this is a challenge: 99 pounds here we come.

>>

>>Gretchen

>>

>>

>

>You can't!

>

>Cheers, Alan

>

Well, there it is, Gretchen. We'll be looking forward to before

and after pictures.

Edd

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> >You can't!

> >

> >Cheers, Alan

> >

> Well, there it is, Gretchen. We'll be looking forward to before

> and after pictures.

Unless Alan is right <G>. Besides, it's lunchtime, and I'm hungry. . . and

looking for an excuse to stop editing a very terrible article.

Gretchen

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> >You can't!

> >

> >Cheers, Alan

> >

> Well, there it is, Gretchen. We'll be looking forward to before

> and after pictures.

Unless Alan is right <G>. Besides, it's lunchtime, and I'm hungry. . . and

looking for an excuse to stop editing a very terrible article.

Gretchen

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> >You can't!

> >

> >Cheers, Alan

> >

> Well, there it is, Gretchen. We'll be looking forward to before

> and after pictures.

Unless Alan is right <G>. Besides, it's lunchtime, and I'm hungry. . . and

looking for an excuse to stop editing a very terrible article.

Gretchen

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Gretchen wrote:

>>>You can't!

>>>

>>>Cheers, Alan

>>>

>> Well, there it is, Gretchen. We'll be looking forward to before

>>and after pictures.

>>

>>

>Unless Alan is right <G>. Besides, it's lunchtime, and I'm hungry. . . and

>looking for an excuse to stop editing a very terrible article.

>

>Gretchen

>

Ah. That nasty old set point is so tough to resist!

Edd

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Gretchen wrote:

>>>You can't!

>>>

>>>Cheers, Alan

>>>

>> Well, there it is, Gretchen. We'll be looking forward to before

>>and after pictures.

>>

>>

>Unless Alan is right <G>. Besides, it's lunchtime, and I'm hungry. . . and

>looking for an excuse to stop editing a very terrible article.

>

>Gretchen

>

Ah. That nasty old set point is so tough to resist!

Edd

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Gretchen wrote:

>>>You can't!

>>>

>>>Cheers, Alan

>>>

>> Well, there it is, Gretchen. We'll be looking forward to before

>>and after pictures.

>>

>>

>Unless Alan is right <G>. Besides, it's lunchtime, and I'm hungry. . . and

>looking for an excuse to stop editing a very terrible article.

>

>Gretchen

>

Ah. That nasty old set point is so tough to resist!

Edd

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