On the Diet a week & she's ready to give up.

July 3, 2004

HI~

I've been reading on this board for several months although posted

nothing until now. Hayley is 10 and started the diet just under a

week ago. Her Ketones are great and no seizures but she HATES the

diet and already wants off. Question is...when do you let them make

these choices? I know how frustrated she is and I hate to see her so

miserable. She wants bread....and bad!!! I kinda think the Low

Glycemic Index diet would be better for her but who knows about the

seizures...

Anyone else with kids Hayley's age that are resistant to the diet?

Do they get over it? Do you make them regardless of what they want?

HELP!!!!!

July 3, 2004

, My daughter is only 5, but it took her awhile to get over

eating pasta bread and thai food etc, keep at it, i think their bodies

go though a withdrawl of the glucose, but it does get better, pretty

soon, she'll not be hungary and probally will get over the craving.

good luck

amanda

> HI~

>

> I've been reading on this board for several months although posted

> nothing until now. Hayley is 10 and started the diet just under a

> week ago. Her Ketones are great and no seizures but she HATES the

> diet and already wants off. Question is...when do you let them make

> these choices? I know how frustrated she is and I hate to see her so

> miserable. She wants bread....and bad!!! I kinda think the Low

> Glycemic Index diet would be better for her but who knows about the

> seizures...

>

> Anyone else with kids Hayley's age that are resistant to the diet?

> Do they get over it? Do you make them regardless of what they want?

>

> HELP!!!!!

>

> " The Ketogenic Diet....a realistic treatment option, NOT just a last

> resort! "

>

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> It is important to get medical advice from a

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July 3, 2004

, My daughter is only 5, but it took her awhile to get over

eating pasta bread and thai food etc, keep at it, i think their bodies

go though a withdrawl of the glucose, but it does get better, pretty

soon, she'll not be hungary and probally will get over the craving.

good luck

amanda

> HI~

>

> I've been reading on this board for several months although posted

> nothing until now. Hayley is 10 and started the diet just under a

> week ago. Her Ketones are great and no seizures but she HATES the

> diet and already wants off. Question is...when do you let them make

> these choices? I know how frustrated she is and I hate to see her so

> miserable. She wants bread....and bad!!! I kinda think the Low

> Glycemic Index diet would be better for her but who knows about the

> seizures...

>

> Anyone else with kids Hayley's age that are resistant to the diet?

> Do they get over it? Do you make them regardless of what they want?

>

> HELP!!!!!

>

> " The Ketogenic Diet....a realistic treatment option, NOT just a last

> resort! "

>

> List is for parent to parent support only.

> It is important to get medical advice from a

> professional keto team!

> Subscribe: ketogenic-subscribe

> Unsubscribe: ketogenic-unsubscribe

>

July 3, 2004

, My daughter is only 5, but it took her awhile to get over

eating pasta bread and thai food etc, keep at it, i think their bodies

go though a withdrawl of the glucose, but it does get better, pretty

soon, she'll not be hungary and probally will get over the craving.

good luck

amanda

> HI~

>

> I've been reading on this board for several months although posted

> nothing until now. Hayley is 10 and started the diet just under a

> week ago. Her Ketones are great and no seizures but she HATES the

> diet and already wants off. Question is...when do you let them make

> these choices? I know how frustrated she is and I hate to see her so

> miserable. She wants bread....and bad!!! I kinda think the Low

> Glycemic Index diet would be better for her but who knows about the

> seizures...

>

> Anyone else with kids Hayley's age that are resistant to the diet?

> Do they get over it? Do you make them regardless of what they want?

>

> HELP!!!!!

>

> " The Ketogenic Diet....a realistic treatment option, NOT just a last

> resort! "

>

> List is for parent to parent support only.

> It is important to get medical advice from a

> professional keto team!

> Subscribe: ketogenic-subscribe

> Unsubscribe: ketogenic-unsubscribe

>

July 4, 2004

Our daughter is 9 years old and has been on the diet for over 2 years. She

hates the seizures enough that she will be compliant. But, whenever we have

something special that she can't have we give her some sort of treat in the

form of a toy etc. I like what Jill had to say. If we were in your

situation we would set up a 2 week goal, then 4 weeks etc. (whatever was

appropriate for her). The short term goals of staying on the diet would be

money, small toy, going bowling...whatever appealed to her. The long term

(1 month to several months) would be something extra special that she was

wanting (bike, doll, clothes etc.).

Rhonda

July 4, 2004

This is a hard question to answer

My daughter is 10 yrs old-- on the diet for 3 years

The first few weeks can be rough

My daughter ate with me--and the family ate separately at the very

beginning--then she wanted to eat with her siblings!!

Her brothers and sisters were so careful about eating in front of her!

I gave up pasta etc..to eat more like her--like being on Atkins!

We gave up going out to eat at first

When the kids got Halloween treats she got Money-gifts

Food was exchanged for gifts

Of course she loved not having seizures and was able to go back to

school--she had been on Hospital home bound tutoring

So--the diet became so much -less of an issue

You do need to get very creative with meal plans--

We opted to do our own meals from the very beginning--at least after the

first 2 weeks--our dietitian is not as KID oriented --as others

Plus we know our kids

PLUS my daughter liked the idea of helping to plan her menus

After 3 yrs --we are trying the Keto-Atkins approach

My daughter was never seizure free --so we accept that--yet her Quality of

life is " being a real kid " --

We were very strict the first 2 yrs because she still had seizures--now we

find she (so far) has no more seizures with our trial diet than the strictness

of the Keto diet--BUT as they say 2 yrs is a goal to keep the kids on--and at

this time weaning can take place

2 yrs is not a long time--really

especially when you will see your child blossom--ours did especially

socially and academically

There are lots of low carb products--but some are too high in protein

Some kids cannot tolerate soy, etc--once you get a feel for your child, her

diet and seizures--you can TRY VERY SLOWLY different foods

There are great recipes in the recipe file on the Keto site on Yahoo

Many of us parents have great ideas

My daughter was able to tolerate the low carb low protein bread

available-(some kids cannot)--and this made a good change to her diet

in the 3 years we NEVER used any product with sugar

No white flour, No potatoes, Not rice etc...

What ratio are you on?

How many meals are you allowed?

My daughter would rather eat 4-5 smaller meals than 3 big meals

When things get bad enough--(10 yrs old-is an impressionable age!)--ask if

the ratio can be lowered--it is amazing the change in foods with a lower ratio

AND--forget about breakfast lunch etc...-my daughter eats any meal at any

time--so she may have pizza-for breakfast

also we always tried to have meals already prepared

Decisions are hard on my daughter and we found deciding what to eat was

absolutely horrible for her

Your focus will be NOT on food but on other things

My daughter loved the presents--even small things--renting a game--

(we have 5 kids-so we could not offer her gifts--that were costly)

It is just the idea of her getting something special

even a special time--together-=

Even at Holiday time--we always had pasta for the Holidays--well on

Christmas we had pasta and pizza --so she could have her pizza & we could also

have

pizza --yet the older kids still had their traditional pasta

Give us ideas of the food your daughter likes, the ratio, her stats and let

us help you

Maybe your daughter would like to e-mail some of our kids--it could help

Best to you and your daughter

It IS worth it!!!

Sandi

Zara-- keto kid-3 yrs----now a keto/atkins kid

July 4, 2004

Depending on your ratio you might actually be able to work a small

amount of whole wheat bread into her meal plans. I know we could, even

at a 3.5:1.

We started the diet when Jess was 4 and fought with her four nine

months to get her to eat anything. Then she went on a complete food

strike and just stopped eating, made herself quite sick. Looking back

I think between the diet and the depakote she was likely to ketotic

and that took her appetite away. Anyway, after about a month of the

food strike, we lowered her ratio a bit and added in some starches -

cheerios (even though you only get a few grams, there are a lot of

cheerios in a gram), whole wheat bread, small amount of pita bread to

use as a base for pizza, probably more, can't think of them now - that

food strike was over 5 years ago!

Although I would probably wait a little longer, try to play around

with what fruits and veggies (just cuz they are healthier choices than

the starch which would take up all your carb allowance), down the road

if you really need to, you could probably add back some starches. If

you post her favourite foods, you will probably get some ideas as to

how to incorporate them.

had no choice when we started, we fought like hell but the

decision was ours, she had no idea cognitively what was going on. She

is now 11 and we are weaning the diet. After 6+ years she is screaming

that she has had enough. So I know where you are coming from.

But the other ideas you have heard about weekly rewards and bigger

longer term ones are good ones. Hopefully they will work for you

good luck

, 's mom

> HI~

>

> I've been reading on this board for several months although posted

> nothing until now. Hayley is 10 and started the diet just under a

> week ago. Her Ketones are great and no seizures but she HATES the

> diet and already wants off. Question is...when do you let them make

> these choices? I know how frustrated she is and I hate to see her so

> miserable. She wants bread....and bad!!! I kinda think the Low

> Glycemic Index diet would be better for her but who knows about the

> seizures...

>

> Anyone else with kids Hayley's age that are resistant to the diet?

> Do they get over it? Do you make them regardless of what they want?

>

> HELP!!!!!

>

July 4, 2004