Guest guest Posted October 6, 2006 Report Share Posted October 6, 2006 OK guys I'm a coke addict. Let me revise that, I'm addicted to cola. Coca-Cola is my drug of choice, lol. That's my coffee. I get major migraines without drinking at least one daily. So, I've slowly been trying to get used to diet cola. Debbye Fournier stated in a message giving up diet cokes has been the hardest thing to do. To get to my question, can you not drink caffiene free diet colas after having WLS? Can anyone answer this for me, please. thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2006 Report Share Posted October 6, 2006 its the carbonation that you cant have...... Mike T Diet cola question > OK guys I'm a coke addict. Let me revise that, I'm addicted to cola. > Coca-Cola is my drug of choice, lol. That's my coffee. I get major > migraines without drinking at least one daily. So, I've slowly been > trying to get used to diet cola. Debbye Fournier stated in a message > giving up diet cokes has been the hardest thing to do. To get to my > question, can you not drink caffiene free diet colas after having WLS? > Can anyone answer this for me, please. thanks. > > > > > > > We are a very active support group. > If the email becomes overwhelming, > please change your setting to NO EMAIL! > Please contact Group Creator > Robyn@... > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2006 Report Share Posted October 6, 2006 its the carbonation that you cant have...... Mike T Diet cola question > OK guys I'm a coke addict. Let me revise that, I'm addicted to cola. > Coca-Cola is my drug of choice, lol. That's my coffee. I get major > migraines without drinking at least one daily. So, I've slowly been > trying to get used to diet cola. Debbye Fournier stated in a message > giving up diet cokes has been the hardest thing to do. To get to my > question, can you not drink caffiene free diet colas after having WLS? > Can anyone answer this for me, please. thanks. > > > > > > > We are a very active support group. > If the email becomes overwhelming, > please change your setting to NO EMAIL! > Please contact Group Creator > Robyn@... > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2006 Report Share Posted October 6, 2006 Before my surgery I was a 2 Two liter a day Diet Pepsi drinker...HARD CORE addict.....I was told not to drink anything carbonated for at least 6 months after my surgery. I waited a full YEAR...I am now 13 months post op and I drink Diet Sunkist soda every day with no problems....then again, I'm one of the blessed ones...I've never been sick, never vomited, (knock on wood)....So I think that like so MANY other things, it's up to the individual's body...what you can and can't tolerate. What's good for me, or good for Deb, may not work for you. Best of luck... W~ Debi Ernser wrote: You aren't supposed to drink carbonated beverages after wls. If you are sick or feeling ill, they tell you to shake the fizz out of the soda before drinking, and then only diet coke...at least that's what my doctor said to me. sorry, I know many people who are as addicted to diet coke as others are addicted to coffee! --- sherrya_neal wrote: > OK guys I'm a coke addict. Let me revise that, I'm > addicted to cola. > Coca-Cola is my drug of choice, lol. That's my > coffee. I get major > migraines without drinking at least one daily. So, > I've slowly been > trying to get used to diet cola. Debbye Fournier > stated in a message > giving up diet cokes has been the hardest thing to > do. To get to my > question, can you not drink caffiene free diet colas > after having WLS? > Can anyone answer this for me, please. thanks. > > > > > __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2006 Report Share Posted October 6, 2006 I know that I was told that the carbonation would expand the pouch. Lin Lhsh@... American by birth, Saved by the grace of God. Diet cola question OK guys I'm a coke addict. Let me revise that, I'm addicted to cola. Coca-Cola is my drug of choice, lol. That's my coffee. I get major migraines without drinking at least one daily. So, I've slowly been trying to get used to diet cola. Debbye Fournier stated in a message giving up diet cokes has been the hardest thing to do. To get to my question, can you not drink caffiene free diet colas after having WLS? Can anyone answer this for me, please. thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2006 Report Share Posted October 7, 2006 #1 Diet soda has no calories #2 I highly doubt that carbonated bubbles could cause much to expand let alone something like a human organ. It would have to be incredibly pliable. The bubbles would, instead, seek a route of escape (like burbing). I'll check on this but any information you have on this expansion I'd find interesting. #3 Colas are actually bases not acids. Get some PH tape and try it sometime. Diet Mt. Dew is a very high level acid (PH about 2) while Colas (like Coke) are a very high level base (PH 12 or so). I used to work as a hazardous material responder for UPS and had access to PH tape, soda, and was often bored enough to test food stuffs for entertainment at work. You may have read my post recently where my WLS surgeon RECOMMENDED I drink some cola to settle my stomach. That's because the base nature of Colas actually REDUCES stomach acid, not increases it. It's also great for cleaning the acid build up off of car batteries. Strange eh? I wholeheartedly agree that returning to addictions is a bad idea. If you're pre-op and you're thinking, " How long will I have to wait to start doing X again? " Then that's the WRONG mindset. I'm NOT saying I didn't do that even myself because I did. I fully expected and still worry that I'll be hitting the diet mountain dew again with a vengence. For now though I'm spending my time, money and efforts on drinking mad amounts of crystal lite and flavored water (and plain old tap water). Those are NOT without their own faults. I should try to switch the whole lot over to pure water and even then maybe not tap water because there's the whole debate on fluoridation of water being bad for you. But I feel that even the sodium in flavored water and the artificial sweetners in crystal lite are many times less harsh on my body than the caffeine addiction I had with the diet mountain dew. Plus the crystal lite and water are at least half as expensive and, again, I don't have to fart around with the blasted returnables being all over my house and office, lugging them back to the store, waiting in line to return them, etc. etc. Ok my ex wife would drink room temperature soda. Now we need to drink it flat? That's not soda. That's water and flavored syrup. At that point I can't see how soda is much different than a flavored water or crystal lite except that it's freaking nasty tasting. Barf. I recall reading a post in here from someone who said they went to surgery and were in a room with someone who was having a revision to their surgery who told them how to cheat at WLS. CHEAT? I beg your pardon? You spending thousands of dollars (or at least your insurance company is), a great deal of time and effort, what I feel is a lot of pain and anguish, a real potential (albeit maybe small) chance of DYING in/out of surgery from the procedure and you're going to CHEAT? If that's your plan and where you're applying your efforts you need to seek psycho/psychiatric help FAST. I have never smoked. I can't relate to the addiction other than my addiction to food. I can't imagine having food AND another addiction which, I get the impression, might be a stronger one and harder to break. I admire anyone who can quit smoking (my parents did and tell me they still struggle with it decades later). It's amazing that second hand smoke even gets debated as to whether to be allowed in public/private businesses/buildings. You sound lucid in that you're admitting a strong addiction to smoking, seem to be trying to get help with it, and understand the consequences of not beating it. I believe you can quit smoking! Good Luck! Mike in GR > > > > > OK guys I'm a coke addict. Let me revise that, I'm > > > addicted to cola. > > > Coca-Cola is my drug of choice, lol. That's my > > > coffee. I get major > > > migraines without drinking at least one daily. So, > > > I've slowly been > > > trying to get used to diet cola. Debbye Fournier > > > stated in a message > > > giving up diet cokes has been the hardest thing to > > > do. To get to my > > > question, can you not drink caffiene free diet colas > > > after having WLS? > > > Can anyone answer this for me, please. thanks. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2006 Report Share Posted October 7, 2006 I am 100% Dutch. I am not cheap (damn it) I am frugal (economical in use or expenditure; prudently saving or sparing; not wasteful: " a frugal manager " ). It's a subtle difference but one I'm proud of. Soda is too expensive. Embrace that idea. Water, even flavored, and crystal lite are cheaper and better for you. If you can't break the soda addiction because of your love of the flavor or texture imagine what you can do with the extra money. Heck imagine what you'll HAVE to do with the extra money, like buy new clothing to fit your smaller frame. My kids are now starting to stop buying sodas and lemonaides when we go out to dinner. I recall a dinner on our trip to New England and the East Coast where the sodas were $2.99. They average about half that here in Grand Rapids. That's a LOT of money in my mind. It works out to nearly 10% of a meal out for us. It's unnecessary and simply by discussing it with my kids they have made the decision to avoid it usually. They at least now ask if they can have it and respect my decision to only let them do it maybe 50% of the time. That's better in my mind then them assuming a soda is a given at a meal. That's how the addiction starts. Mike in GR > > Hi, everyone, > Just had to add my two cents worth...lol. My surgeon > says, you can have carbonated beverages at the 3-6 > months phase. There are some restrictions, the drink > does not count toward your fluid count for the day. > And it has to be non-cola, diet, no caffeine, I guess > that would leave things like Sprite, Mountain Dew etc. > Anyway, I gave up carbonated and caffeinated drinks, > the day I went to my first consultation meeting, on > July 6. I truly do not miss them. I don't plan to > reintroduce them. My surgery is 10/25. > Thanks, Debbie D. > > > __________________________________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2006 Report Share Posted October 7, 2006 Here are some excerpts from articles I found that talk about carbonated beverages. Can I drink carbonated beverages after surgery? Many patients find carbonated beverages uncomfortable from the gas they produce, which could also cause some expansion of the stomach pouch. With such a small pouch and so much water to drink in a day, we recommend patient's don't " waste " their stomach capacity on carbonated drinks that are often high in sodium and have no nutritional value. We also recommend that you avoid any flavored drinks between meals, as use of these tends to activate your hunger mechanism. http://www.obesitysolutions.com/surgery/faq_after.asp ------- We don't want our patients using straws or drinking carbonated beverages during the first month because these can cause the pouch to overstretch with air. It is important to closely follow the dietary guidelines provided in the Nutrition Handbook. http://www.mmc.org/mmc_body.cfm?id=1814 ------ Carbonated beverages may be detrimental to the long-term success of gastric bypass for the following reasons: http://www.weightlosssurgerycoach.com/success.shtml 1.. Carbonation: When the cold beverage is consumed, it warms and releases gases, distending the stomach pouch. The stretching of the stomach then creates undue stress and subsequently causes stretching of the anastomosis, 2.. Caloric intake: Many carbonated beverages are high in calories, are low in nutritional value, and contain simple sugars. Not only do they add additional calories with low nutritional value, but they are absorbed quickly into the blood stream, causing a rapid rise in blood sugar, elevated insulin levels and increased hunger. 3.. Caffeine: Many carbonated beverages contain caffeine, an appetite stimulant, which is detrimental to initial weight loss and long-term weight control. ------- a.. Avoid high calorie drinks like milkshakes, soda, fruit juices/fruit drinks, beer, alcohol, meal substitutes. They can sabotage your weight loss efforts by adding calories without making you feel full. a.. Avoid carbonated beverages. They can cause bloating. http://www.stronghealth.com/services/surgical/bariatric/diet.cfm Re: Diet cola question #1 Diet soda has no calories #2 I highly doubt that carbonated bubbles could cause much to expand let alone something like a human organ. It would have to be incredibly pliable. The bubbles would, instead, seek a route of escape (like burbing). I'll check on this but any information you have on this expansion I'd find interesting. #3 Colas are actually bases not acids. Get some PH tape and try it sometime. Diet Mt. Dew is a very high level acid (PH about 2) while Colas (like Coke) are a very high level base (PH 12 or so). I used to work as a hazardous material responder for UPS and had access to PH tape, soda, and was often bored enough to test food stuffs for entertainment at work. You may have read my post recently where my WLS surgeon RECOMMENDED I drink some cola to settle my stomach. That's because the base nature of Colas actually REDUCES stomach acid, not increases it. It's also great for cleaning the acid build up off of car batteries. Strange eh? I wholeheartedly agree that returning to addictions is a bad idea. If you're pre-op and you're thinking, " How long will I have to wait to start doing X again? " Then that's the WRONG mindset. I'm NOT saying I didn't do that even myself because I did. I fully expected and still worry that I'll be hitting the diet mountain dew again with a vengence. For now though I'm spending my time, money and efforts on drinking mad amounts of crystal lite and flavored water (and plain old tap water). Those are NOT without their own faults. I should try to switch the whole lot over to pure water and even then maybe not tap water because there's the whole debate on fluoridation of water being bad for you. But I feel that even the sodium in flavored water and the artificial sweetners in crystal lite are many times less harsh on my body than the caffeine addiction I had with the diet mountain dew. Plus the crystal lite and water are at least half as expensive and, again, I don't have to fart around with the blasted returnables being all over my house and office, lugging them back to the store, waiting in line to return them, etc. etc. Ok my ex wife would drink room temperature soda. Now we need to drink it flat? That's not soda. That's water and flavored syrup. At that point I can't see how soda is much different than a flavored water or crystal lite except that it's freaking nasty tasting. Barf. I recall reading a post in here from someone who said they went to surgery and were in a room with someone who was having a revision to their surgery who told them how to cheat at WLS. CHEAT? I beg your pardon? You spending thousands of dollars (or at least your insurance company is), a great deal of time and effort, what I feel is a lot of pain and anguish, a real potential (albeit maybe small) chance of DYING in/out of surgery from the procedure and you're going to CHEAT? If that's your plan and where you're applying your efforts you need to seek psycho/psychiatric help FAST. I have never smoked. I can't relate to the addiction other than my addiction to food. I can't imagine having food AND another addiction which, I get the impression, might be a stronger one and harder to break. I admire anyone who can quit smoking (my parents did and tell me they still struggle with it decades later). It's amazing that second hand smoke even gets debated as to whether to be allowed in public/private businesses/buildings. You sound lucid in that you're admitting a strong addiction to smoking, seem to be trying to get help with it, and understand the consequences of not beating it. I believe you can quit smoking! Good Luck! Mike in GR > > > > > OK guys I'm a coke addict. Let me revise that, I'm > > > addicted to cola. > > > Coca-Cola is my drug of choice, lol. That's my > > > coffee. I get major > > > migraines without drinking at least one daily. So, > > > I've slowly been > > > trying to get used to diet cola. Debbye Fournier > > > stated in a message > > > giving up diet cokes has been the hardest thing to > > > do. To get to my > > > question, can you not drink caffiene free diet colas > > > after having WLS? > > > Can anyone answer this for me, please. thanks. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2006 Report Share Posted October 7, 2006 Ok I'll buy all that with the following provisions: 1. There are plenty of carbonated beverages that contain no caffeine, no acid, no base, no coloring, and are diet. 2. There does come a time that the pouch stretches on its own through normal use, eating, drinking, etc. My understanding from my surgeon is that is about 18 months post-op where it reaches its final size. I don't think you'll find anyone that would say you could continue to stretch your pouch ad infinum with carbonated beverages or anything else, ergo there would come a time where carbonated beverages would not stretch the pouch. That being said if you've really come so far as to go without soda for 6, 12 or 18 or whatever amount of time, its relatively massive cost, the pain of hauling around, possibly dealing with returnables as we do in Michigan and have partaked in the all sorts of non- carbonated alternatives then it would be a genuine shame to fall back into an addiction with carbonation that could develop to caffeinated ones (easy to do if non-caffeine isn't available at the time) or worse non-diet ones. Regarding sodium in soda. Check out flavored water and really any drink other than pure water (not sure about crystal lite and those sorts). Most contain sodium. Flavored waters contain about 3% of your RDA of sodium. Not a big deal really except that I kill a half to a full dozen waters a day easily. If they were all flavored that would be 18%-36% of my daily sodium. Throw that in with the occasional prepared meat meal and you've got some hefty sodium intake. I don't have issues with sodium, water retention and the like. I just don't like to exceed the sodium if I can avoid it. It's hard though with so much salt going into things. I'm glad I don't have a habit of ever adding it to food myself. Mike in GR > > > > > > > OK guys I'm a coke addict. Let me revise that, I'm > > > > addicted to cola. > > > > Coca-Cola is my drug of choice, lol. That's my > > > > coffee. I get major > > > > migraines without drinking at least one daily. So, > > > > I've slowly been > > > > trying to get used to diet cola. Debbye Fournier > > > > stated in a message > > > > giving up diet cokes has been the hardest thing to > > > > do. To get to my > > > > question, can you not drink caffiene free diet colas > > > > after having WLS? > > > > Can anyone answer this for me, please. thanks. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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