Re: about the deaf child signs - another perspective

[Guest guest]

a good point . . . maybe a " children at play " sign would work just as well

that reminds me of something funny. years and years ago, my young cousin

got mad at one of those " slow children at play " signs . . . he actually

thought it meant slow learners . . . they do need to use some punctuation on

those signs!

= )

have a great weekend, everyone,

rt in nc

>

> When I was researching this years ago, I was told by some deaf adults

> that they don't necessarily like these signs because they feel it

> stigmatizes children who are deaf and possibly may point your child

> out to people you don't want them pointed out to. I think you should

> try for the sign if you want one, and I certainly did (while in CA, in

> PA, we don't have, and didn't ask for, a sign). I thought you all

> might want to consider that (stigmatizing/singling the child out) as a

> reason to NOT have the signs. Hate to throw a wet blanket on the

> whole sign thing, but I thought you might want to see a different

> perspective.

>

>

>

>

>

--

Robin Tomlinson

thetomlinsons@...

[Guest guest]

We had an amazing response when we requested a sign from our township.

It was up within a week of the request. My perspective is that it has

not slowed one person down. I'm glad that we didn't have to fight for

months to get it, it would feel like a complete waste. If our HOH

daughter gets hit by one of those speeding drivers, then we may be able

to claim extra damages. Not a scenario that we ever hope to entertain,

though. I do feel justified in yelling at the speed demon teens on our

street, though. Thankfully my 18 yr old understands that he must CRAWL

down our street or he will make me look bad!

: stepmom to Eden age 6: dx'd NB Stage IV 7-16-04, nmyc

amplified, unfavorable histology. Tumor completely removed 7-20-04,

treated with COG A3973: 6 rounds of chemo, stem cell transplant (Jan 5,

2005), radiation for 12 days, Accutane for 6 months or so, NED Sept 22,

2005; Relapsed March 29, 2006; stepmom to Riley: age 12, ADHD, anxiety

disorder, and ODD; mom to Rodger 18 (ADHD); mom to Tony age 20 (Nothing

dx'd yet) and GRANDMA to Roby , age 1 1/2. Lucky to be the wife of

Rourke age 36.

www.edenadams.com http://www.edenadams.com/>

http://edenadams.blogspot.com http://edenadams.blogspot.com/>

[Guest guest]

wrote:

When I was researching this years ago, I was told by some deaf adults

that they don't necessarily like these signs because they feel it

stigmatizes children who are deaf and possibly may point your child

out to people you don't want them pointed out to. I think you should

try for the sign if you want one, and I certainly did (while in CA, in

PA, we don't have, and didn't ask for, a sign). I thought you all

might want to consider that (stigmatizing/singling the child out) as a

reason to NOT have the signs. Hate to throw a wet blanket on the

whole sign thing, but I thought you might want to see a different

perspective.

**

It's a good point, .

We didn't have the sign at our old house, nor at our apartment that we lived

in while this house was being built. actually asked about the signs

first - there's a " Deaf Child " sign a block away from his school for another

child who has a severe bilateral impairment, and he wanted to know why he

couldn't have one.

So, between that and the speeding construction workers (not to mention the

people who fly through here to look at all of the houses that are up for

sale), we decided to go for it. Luckily, he's very proud of what he calls

" MY signs " , so we're okay.

(I'm sure that will change when he becomes a teenager - I'm enjoying this

while I can!)

Hugs to all,

Kris

Mom to (8, Complete/Profound SNL, Left Ear) and Ethan (6, hearing)

[Guest guest]

wrote:

When I was researching this years ago, I was told by some deaf adults

that they don't necessarily like these signs because they feel it

stigmatizes children who are deaf and possibly may point your child

out to people you don't want them pointed out to. I think you should

try for the sign if you want one, and I certainly did (while in CA, in

PA, we don't have, and didn't ask for, a sign). I thought you all

might want to consider that (stigmatizing/singling the child out) as a

reason to NOT have the signs. Hate to throw a wet blanket on the

whole sign thing, but I thought you might want to see a different

perspective.

**

It's a good point, .

We didn't have the sign at our old house, nor at our apartment that we lived

in while this house was being built. actually asked about the signs

first - there's a " Deaf Child " sign a block away from his school for another

child who has a severe bilateral impairment, and he wanted to know why he

couldn't have one.

So, between that and the speeding construction workers (not to mention the

people who fly through here to look at all of the houses that are up for

sale), we decided to go for it. Luckily, he's very proud of what he calls

" MY signs " , so we're okay.

(I'm sure that will change when he becomes a teenager - I'm enjoying this

while I can!)

Hugs to all,

Kris

Mom to (8, Complete/Profound SNL, Left Ear) and Ethan (6, hearing)

[Guest guest]

wrote:

When I was researching this years ago, I was told by some deaf adults

that they don't necessarily like these signs because they feel it

stigmatizes children who are deaf and possibly may point your child

out to people you don't want them pointed out to. I think you should

try for the sign if you want one, and I certainly did (while in CA, in

PA, we don't have, and didn't ask for, a sign). I thought you all

might want to consider that (stigmatizing/singling the child out) as a

reason to NOT have the signs. Hate to throw a wet blanket on the

whole sign thing, but I thought you might want to see a different

perspective.

**

It's a good point, .

We didn't have the sign at our old house, nor at our apartment that we lived

in while this house was being built. actually asked about the signs

first - there's a " Deaf Child " sign a block away from his school for another

child who has a severe bilateral impairment, and he wanted to know why he

couldn't have one.

So, between that and the speeding construction workers (not to mention the

people who fly through here to look at all of the houses that are up for

sale), we decided to go for it. Luckily, he's very proud of what he calls

" MY signs " , so we're okay.

(I'm sure that will change when he becomes a teenager - I'm enjoying this

while I can!)

Hugs to all,

Kris

Mom to (8, Complete/Profound SNL, Left Ear) and Ethan (6, hearing)

[Guest guest]

we had people come here trying to do deaf ministry to my son

because they saw the sign on the street, asked around and found out who

it was. I put the word out in the neighborhood that whoever sent them

to my house better hope I did not catch them. I mean it could have

been molesters or something.

Elaine

[Guest guest]

we had people come here trying to do deaf ministry to my son

because they saw the sign on the street, asked around and found out who

it was. I put the word out in the neighborhood that whoever sent them

to my house better hope I did not catch them. I mean it could have

been molesters or something.

Elaine

[Guest guest]

we had people come here trying to do deaf ministry to my son

because they saw the sign on the street, asked around and found out who

it was. I put the word out in the neighborhood that whoever sent them

to my house better hope I did not catch them. I mean it could have

been molesters or something.

Elaine

[Guest guest]

>

> We had an amazing response when we requested a sign from our township.

> It was up within a week of the request. My perspective is that it has

> not slowed one person down. >>

I sent a post earlier today about that. It slowed the locals that know

we live there anyway down but not the passerby folks that use this as a

cut through road.

Elaine

Insane mom to:

Jake 12, Auditory Neuropathy/CI, ADD, OCD, anxiety disorder

Josh 13, ADHD, juvenile ultra rapid cycling bipolar, OCD, ODD

[Guest guest]

>

> We had an amazing response when we requested a sign from our township.

> It was up within a week of the request. My perspective is that it has

> not slowed one person down. >>

I sent a post earlier today about that. It slowed the locals that know

we live there anyway down but not the passerby folks that use this as a

cut through road.

Elaine

Insane mom to:

Jake 12, Auditory Neuropathy/CI, ADD, OCD, anxiety disorder

Josh 13, ADHD, juvenile ultra rapid cycling bipolar, OCD, ODD

[Guest guest]

>

> We had an amazing response when we requested a sign from our township.

> It was up within a week of the request. My perspective is that it has

> not slowed one person down. >>

I sent a post earlier today about that. It slowed the locals that know

we live there anyway down but not the passerby folks that use this as a

cut through road.

Elaine

Insane mom to:

Jake 12, Auditory Neuropathy/CI, ADD, OCD, anxiety disorder

Josh 13, ADHD, juvenile ultra rapid cycling bipolar, OCD, ODD

[Guest guest]

A few months ago, I heard a deaf person say they find the signs offensive,

as though deaf people and children were cattle (the signs remind him of

cattle signs on roads in open ranges.)

----- Original Message -----

From: " "

> When I was researching this years ago, I was told by some deaf adults

> that they don't necessarily like these signs because they feel it

> stigmatizes children who are deaf and possibly may point your child

> out to people you don't want them pointed out to.

[Guest guest]

Chances are a " children at play " sign will not work as well as a deaf child

sign, if the city will even put one up. Their reasoning is that there are

children on almost every street and drivers will ignore the signs. The sign

isn't specific to activity; drivers don't know if the children are out

playing, or are even at home. Most municipalities will not erect a children

at play sign, as they are just too vague for drivers to take seriously, and

would have to be erected nearly everywhere.

A deaf child sign at least is specific to the needs of a child and is

unusual enough to be noticeable. Since it's only available to a small

number of families, the city is more likely to be willing to finance the

small number of signs.

We have 4 HOH children on our small culdesac, but do not have a sign. When

the kids are outside playing, especially bike riding around the street, we

use a portable " children at play " sign. We put it in the dead middle of the

street, so folks have to slow down to get around it and can't ignore it. It

works incredibly well, I think because it is specific to the activity. (Now

before I get blasted by folks saying they can't do it, I realize this is not

an option for everyone. If your street is small enough to play in, it's

probably small enough to use the sign. It is probably not legal, but we've

had cops drive by and haven't asked us to remove it.) It even works

reasonably well sitting on the edge of the road with a tall orange flag

sticking out. It also protects all the children, without stigmatizing or

regard to hearing status.

http://www.safetycentral.com/cakiatplsi.html

It works for us.

----- Original Message -----

From: " Robin Tomlinson "

>a good point . . . maybe a " children at play " sign would work just as well

[Guest guest]

Chances are a " children at play " sign will not work as well as a deaf child

sign, if the city will even put one up. Their reasoning is that there are

children on almost every street and drivers will ignore the signs. The sign

isn't specific to activity; drivers don't know if the children are out

playing, or are even at home. Most municipalities will not erect a children

at play sign, as they are just too vague for drivers to take seriously, and

would have to be erected nearly everywhere.

A deaf child sign at least is specific to the needs of a child and is

unusual enough to be noticeable. Since it's only available to a small

number of families, the city is more likely to be willing to finance the

small number of signs.

We have 4 HOH children on our small culdesac, but do not have a sign. When

the kids are outside playing, especially bike riding around the street, we

use a portable " children at play " sign. We put it in the dead middle of the

street, so folks have to slow down to get around it and can't ignore it. It

works incredibly well, I think because it is specific to the activity. (Now

before I get blasted by folks saying they can't do it, I realize this is not

an option for everyone. If your street is small enough to play in, it's

probably small enough to use the sign. It is probably not legal, but we've

had cops drive by and haven't asked us to remove it.) It even works

reasonably well sitting on the edge of the road with a tall orange flag

sticking out. It also protects all the children, without stigmatizing or

regard to hearing status.

http://www.safetycentral.com/cakiatplsi.html

It works for us.

----- Original Message -----

From: " Robin Tomlinson "

>a good point . . . maybe a " children at play " sign would work just as well

[Guest guest]

Chances are a " children at play " sign will not work as well as a deaf child

sign, if the city will even put one up. Their reasoning is that there are

children on almost every street and drivers will ignore the signs. The sign

isn't specific to activity; drivers don't know if the children are out

playing, or are even at home. Most municipalities will not erect a children

at play sign, as they are just too vague for drivers to take seriously, and

would have to be erected nearly everywhere.

A deaf child sign at least is specific to the needs of a child and is

unusual enough to be noticeable. Since it's only available to a small

number of families, the city is more likely to be willing to finance the

small number of signs.

We have 4 HOH children on our small culdesac, but do not have a sign. When

the kids are outside playing, especially bike riding around the street, we

use a portable " children at play " sign. We put it in the dead middle of the

street, so folks have to slow down to get around it and can't ignore it. It

works incredibly well, I think because it is specific to the activity. (Now

before I get blasted by folks saying they can't do it, I realize this is not

an option for everyone. If your street is small enough to play in, it's

probably small enough to use the sign. It is probably not legal, but we've

had cops drive by and haven't asked us to remove it.) It even works

reasonably well sitting on the edge of the road with a tall orange flag

sticking out. It also protects all the children, without stigmatizing or

regard to hearing status.

http://www.safetycentral.com/cakiatplsi.html

It works for us.

----- Original Message -----

From: " Robin Tomlinson "

>a good point . . . maybe a " children at play " sign would work just as well

[Guest guest]

We live on a cul de sac that curves some b4 coming to the end. A

lot of ppl thought it should be a thru-way. I talked to several

ppl (police, gov't, etc) about a " deaf child " sign and got no

where. My neighbor had enough of all of the traffic turning around

and racing back out again and was able to get a " Dead End " sign for

our street name post. That seems to have helped a lot!

I know it won't help everyone but if you have a dead end/cul de sac

street it might be another option.

Kellie

>

> We had an amazing response when we requested a sign from our

township.

> It was up within a week of the request. My perspective is that it

has

> not slowed one person down. I'm glad that we didn't have to fight

for

> months to get it, it would feel like a complete waste. If our HOH

> daughter gets hit by one of those speeding drivers, then we may be

able

> to claim extra damages. Not a scenario that we ever hope to

entertain,

> though. I do feel justified in yelling at the speed demon teens on

our

> street, though. Thankfully my 18 yr old understands that he must

CRAWL

> down our street or he will make me look bad!

>

>

>

> : stepmom to Eden age 6: dx'd NB Stage IV 7-16-04, nmyc

> amplified, unfavorable histology. Tumor completely removed 7-20-04,

> treated with COG A3973: 6 rounds of chemo, stem cell transplant

(Jan 5,

> 2005), radiation for 12 days, Accutane for 6 months or so, NED

Sept 22,

> 2005; Relapsed March 29, 2006; stepmom to Riley: age 12, ADHD,

anxiety

> disorder, and ODD; mom to Rodger 18 (ADHD); mom to Tony age 20

(Nothing

> dx'd yet) and GRANDMA to Roby , age 1 1/2. Lucky to be the wife of

> Rourke age 36.

>

>

>

> www.edenadams.com http://www.edenadams.com/>

>

>

>

> http://edenadams.blogspot.com http://edenadams.blogspot.com/>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

We live on a cul de sac that curves some b4 coming to the end. A

lot of ppl thought it should be a thru-way. I talked to several

ppl (police, gov't, etc) about a " deaf child " sign and got no

where. My neighbor had enough of all of the traffic turning around

and racing back out again and was able to get a " Dead End " sign for

our street name post. That seems to have helped a lot!

I know it won't help everyone but if you have a dead end/cul de sac

street it might be another option.

Kellie

>

> We had an amazing response when we requested a sign from our

township.

> It was up within a week of the request. My perspective is that it

has

> not slowed one person down. I'm glad that we didn't have to fight

for

> months to get it, it would feel like a complete waste. If our HOH

> daughter gets hit by one of those speeding drivers, then we may be

able

> to claim extra damages. Not a scenario that we ever hope to

entertain,

> though. I do feel justified in yelling at the speed demon teens on

our

> street, though. Thankfully my 18 yr old understands that he must

CRAWL

> down our street or he will make me look bad!

>

>

>

> : stepmom to Eden age 6: dx'd NB Stage IV 7-16-04, nmyc

> amplified, unfavorable histology. Tumor completely removed 7-20-04,

> treated with COG A3973: 6 rounds of chemo, stem cell transplant

(Jan 5,

> 2005), radiation for 12 days, Accutane for 6 months or so, NED

Sept 22,

> 2005; Relapsed March 29, 2006; stepmom to Riley: age 12, ADHD,

anxiety

> disorder, and ODD; mom to Rodger 18 (ADHD); mom to Tony age 20

(Nothing

> dx'd yet) and GRANDMA to Roby , age 1 1/2. Lucky to be the wife of

> Rourke age 36.

>

>

>

> www.edenadams.com http://www.edenadams.com/>

>

>

>

> http://edenadams.blogspot.com http://edenadams.blogspot.com/>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

We live on a cul de sac that curves some b4 coming to the end. A

lot of ppl thought it should be a thru-way. I talked to several

ppl (police, gov't, etc) about a " deaf child " sign and got no

where. My neighbor had enough of all of the traffic turning around

and racing back out again and was able to get a " Dead End " sign for

our street name post. That seems to have helped a lot!

I know it won't help everyone but if you have a dead end/cul de sac

street it might be another option.

Kellie

>

> We had an amazing response when we requested a sign from our

township.

> It was up within a week of the request. My perspective is that it

has

> not slowed one person down. I'm glad that we didn't have to fight

for

> months to get it, it would feel like a complete waste. If our HOH

> daughter gets hit by one of those speeding drivers, then we may be

able

> to claim extra damages. Not a scenario that we ever hope to

entertain,

> though. I do feel justified in yelling at the speed demon teens on

our

> street, though. Thankfully my 18 yr old understands that he must

CRAWL

> down our street or he will make me look bad!

>

>

>

> : stepmom to Eden age 6: dx'd NB Stage IV 7-16-04, nmyc

> amplified, unfavorable histology. Tumor completely removed 7-20-04,

> treated with COG A3973: 6 rounds of chemo, stem cell transplant

(Jan 5,

> 2005), radiation for 12 days, Accutane for 6 months or so, NED

Sept 22,

> 2005; Relapsed March 29, 2006; stepmom to Riley: age 12, ADHD,

anxiety

> disorder, and ODD; mom to Rodger 18 (ADHD); mom to Tony age 20

(Nothing

> dx'd yet) and GRANDMA to Roby , age 1 1/2. Lucky to be the wife of

> Rourke age 36.

>

>

>

> www.edenadams.com http://www.edenadams.com/>

>

>

>

> http://edenadams.blogspot.com http://edenadams.blogspot.com/>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I belive the whole sign issues was debated about a year ago. In fact I know it

was because I was the one who asked. Personally I felt attacked. Please let's

not let this get into a debate again about for or agaisnt the signs. The poster

simply asked if anyone knew how to go about getting the signs, not if we thought

it was a good idea or not. I honestly thought about leveing this group last year

when this became an issue. I don't want others to feel as I did. Sorry if I

ruffled any feathers.

Selena

Mom to 8, 7, 7, 5 ( all with diffrent special needs

but hearing) and Hailey 4 (moderate-severe, bilateral, senori-nueral, hearing

loss, bilaterally aided)

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[Guest guest]

I belive the whole sign issues was debated about a year ago. In fact I know it

was because I was the one who asked. Personally I felt attacked. Please let's

not let this get into a debate again about for or agaisnt the signs. The poster

simply asked if anyone knew how to go about getting the signs, not if we thought

it was a good idea or not. I honestly thought about leveing this group last year

when this became an issue. I don't want others to feel as I did. Sorry if I

ruffled any feathers.

Selena

Mom to 8, 7, 7, 5 ( all with diffrent special needs

but hearing) and Hailey 4 (moderate-severe, bilateral, senori-nueral, hearing

loss, bilaterally aided)

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[Guest guest]

I wasn't on the list last year, so I knew nothing about this. I stated

that we got the sign very quickly when it was requested and that it

hasn't slowed anyone down, but we are happy that it is there. Another

plus is that we can tell people about it and they KNOW that they are on

our street (if they're having trouble finding us).

Sorry to have been a part of something so tenuous to the list.

: stepmom to Eden age 6: dx'd NB Stage IV 7-16-04, nmyc

amplified, unfavorable histology. Tumor completely removed 7-20-04,

treated with COG A3973: 6 rounds of chemo, stem cell transplant (Jan 5,

2005), radiation for 12 days, Accutane for 6 months or so, NED Sept 22,

2005; Relapsed March 29, 2006; stepmom to Riley: age 12, ADHD, anxiety

disorder, and ODD; mom to Rodger 18 (ADHD); mom to Tony age 20 (Nothing

dx'd yet) and GRANDMA to Roby , age 1 1/2. Lucky to be the wife of

Rourke age 36.

www.edenadams.com http://www.edenadams.com/>

http://edenadams.blogspot.com http://edenadams.blogspot.com/>

I belive the whole sign issues was debated about a year ago. In fact I

know it was because I was the one who asked. Personally I felt attacked.

Please let's not let this get into a debate again about for or agaisnt

the signs. The poster simply asked if anyone knew how to go about

getting the signs, not if we thought it was a good idea or not. I

honestly thought about leveing this group last year when this became an

issue. I don't want others to feel as I did. Sorry if I ruffled any

feathers.

[Guest guest]

I wasn't on the list last year, so I knew nothing about this. I stated

that we got the sign very quickly when it was requested and that it

hasn't slowed anyone down, but we are happy that it is there. Another

plus is that we can tell people about it and they KNOW that they are on

our street (if they're having trouble finding us).

Sorry to have been a part of something so tenuous to the list.

: stepmom to Eden age 6: dx'd NB Stage IV 7-16-04, nmyc

amplified, unfavorable histology. Tumor completely removed 7-20-04,

treated with COG A3973: 6 rounds of chemo, stem cell transplant (Jan 5,

2005), radiation for 12 days, Accutane for 6 months or so, NED Sept 22,

2005; Relapsed March 29, 2006; stepmom to Riley: age 12, ADHD, anxiety

disorder, and ODD; mom to Rodger 18 (ADHD); mom to Tony age 20 (Nothing

dx'd yet) and GRANDMA to Roby , age 1 1/2. Lucky to be the wife of

Rourke age 36.

www.edenadams.com http://www.edenadams.com/>

http://edenadams.blogspot.com http://edenadams.blogspot.com/>

I belive the whole sign issues was debated about a year ago. In fact I

know it was because I was the one who asked. Personally I felt attacked.

Please let's not let this get into a debate again about for or agaisnt

the signs. The poster simply asked if anyone knew how to go about

getting the signs, not if we thought it was a good idea or not. I

honestly thought about leveing this group last year when this became an

issue. I don't want others to feel as I did. Sorry if I ruffled any

feathers.

[Guest guest]

I wasn't on the list last year, so I knew nothing about this. I stated

that we got the sign very quickly when it was requested and that it

hasn't slowed anyone down, but we are happy that it is there. Another

plus is that we can tell people about it and they KNOW that they are on

our street (if they're having trouble finding us).

Sorry to have been a part of something so tenuous to the list.

: stepmom to Eden age 6: dx'd NB Stage IV 7-16-04, nmyc

amplified, unfavorable histology. Tumor completely removed 7-20-04,

treated with COG A3973: 6 rounds of chemo, stem cell transplant (Jan 5,

2005), radiation for 12 days, Accutane for 6 months or so, NED Sept 22,

2005; Relapsed March 29, 2006; stepmom to Riley: age 12, ADHD, anxiety

disorder, and ODD; mom to Rodger 18 (ADHD); mom to Tony age 20 (Nothing

dx'd yet) and GRANDMA to Roby , age 1 1/2. Lucky to be the wife of

Rourke age 36.

www.edenadams.com http://www.edenadams.com/>

http://edenadams.blogspot.com http://edenadams.blogspot.com/>

I belive the whole sign issues was debated about a year ago. In fact I

know it was because I was the one who asked. Personally I felt attacked.

Please let's not let this get into a debate again about for or agaisnt

the signs. The poster simply asked if anyone knew how to go about

getting the signs, not if we thought it was a good idea or not. I

honestly thought about leveing this group last year when this became an

issue. I don't want others to feel as I did. Sorry if I ruffled any

feathers.

[Guest guest]

Sorry, the comment wasn't directed at you personally. It's was just a general

statement.

Selena

Mom to 8, 7, 7, 5 (all with diffrent special needs,

but all hearing), and Hailey 4 (moderate-severe, bilateral, sensori-neural

hearing loss, bilaterally aided)

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[Guest guest]

Sorry, the comment wasn't directed at you personally. It's was just a general

statement.

Selena

Mom to 8, 7, 7, 5 (all with diffrent special needs,

but all hearing), and Hailey 4 (moderate-severe, bilateral, sensori-neural

hearing loss, bilaterally aided)

---------------------------------

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