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Dear Gloria,

I'm very sorry for your pain ad frustration. I understand it, and know it's

horrible. I wish you well in uncovering the mysteries that your gut is

riddling you with.

You'll get many fine answers from this group - please look into them, you'll

get better diagnosis here than you'll get in any ER I'll wager. Aside from

pancreatitis, (which is definitely one thing that could explain your pain and

symptoms), please also do some reading about Gastroparesis and see if perhaps

that might be something that could be plaguing you as well. When you say

" bloating " , do you also suffer abdominal distention that feels

extraordinarily unnatural and last for days, weeks at a time sometimes?

Please try to hang in there, there is hope and with good medical care, you

can get better and at least manage the pain and the very uncomfortable side

effects of that which ails you. So far there's no " easy " cure for CP or

Gastroparesis, but to some degree they are manageable, though it's definitely

not a picnic - pardon the " food " reference. Haha.

Good luck to you Gloria,

Peace,

Terry in KC

<< Hello. My name is Gloria and I am 38 years old. I believe I have

posted here quite awhile ago. I guess I am now at the end of my

rope. For over three years now I have been getting these " attacks " .

It usually is during the night and starts as a dull ache right

between the ribs where my stomach is. The ache quickly turns into

excruciating pain with sweats, nausea and vomitting which then leads

to severe chills. These attacks would last anywhere from one to

about three hours. Lately the attacks last the same, but I have

milder pain for about a day afterward. The pain, again, is beyond

belief. I cannot go to hospital during these attacks, because I

cannot get off the bathroom floor.

Anyway, I have been tested for gall bladder.......hide a scan, and

some blood work and several abdominal ultrasounds. I have been

seeing a gi doc because I also suffer from GERD and have had two

endocinch procedures. I, as well as the docs, feel that the two

things are unrelated. I suppose I am asking if these symptoms are

close to pancreatitis, and are there any tests I should be asking

for? I also suffer from gas and bloating. Any help would be

appreciated. Gloria O'Hara >>

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Dear Gloria, For one I would like to say " Welcome " . Also, I love your name.

My oldest sisters name is Gloria Anne. Anyways.......... I am not sure

what is causing your pain but, is it sooo simular to mine. I am suffering

pancreatitis right now and it is awful but, I am told it can get worse. I

wouldn't doubt that it is pancreatitis but...... it is hard to tell. I hope

you get better and find out what is going on. I will pray for you. Take

care hun. HUGS,

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Hello. My name is Gloria and I am 38 years old. I believe I have

posted here quite awhile ago. I guess I am now at the end of my

rope. For over three years now I have been getting these " attacks " .

It usually is during the night and starts as a dull ache right

between the ribs where my stomach is. The ache quickly turns into

excruciating pain with sweats, nausea and vomitting which then leads

to severe chills. These attacks would last anywhere from one to

about three hours. Lately the attacks last the same, but I have

milder pain for about a day afterward. The pain, again, is beyond

belief. I cannot go to hospital during these attacks, because I

cannot get off the bathroom floor.

Anyway, I have been tested for gall bladder.......hide a scan, and

some blood work and several abdominal ultrasounds. I have been

seeing a gi doc because I also suffer from GERD and have had two

endocinch procedures. I, as well as the docs, feel that the two

things are unrelated. I suppose I am asking if these symptoms are

close to pancreatitis, and are there any tests I should be asking

for? I also suffer from gas and bloating. Any help would be

appreciated. Gloria O'Hara

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Chronic pancreatitis is an inflammatory disease in which progressive and

irreversible structural changes to the pancreas result in a permanent

impairment of both the exocrine and endocrine functions.

As the pancreas become progressively more scarred, some persons develop

diabetes and/or the inability to digest foods, especially fats. Because of

the lack of normal pancreatic enzymes, digestion of food and the production

of wastes are adversely affected. Abdominal pain is common, especially after

eating. Stools become bulky, greasy, foul smelling and tend to float in the

water because of their high fat content - a condition known as steatorrhea.

The formation of stones in the pancreas is also common.

The treatment of chronic pancreatitis depends on 4 factors: the cause of the

pancreatitis, the portion of the pancreas involved, the presence or absence

os symptoms, and the size of the pancreatic duct.

When symptoms are mild or absent ( " silent pancreatitis " ) no treatment is

indicated. For persons with disabling symptoms, however, treatment is

indicated. Treatment may consist of medications and possibly surgery.

The pancreas is a long, slender organ in the upper abdomen. The exocrine

area of the pancreas produces digestive juices and the endocrine area makes

hormones, such as insulin, that regulate how the body stores and uses food.

Both functions are impaired by chronic pancreatitis, an inflammatory disease

that causes progressive, irreversible structural changes. Some persons

develop diabetes and/or become unable to digest foods, especially fats. The

lack of normal pancreatic enzymes adversely affects digestion and waste

production. Abdominal pain is common, especially after eating. This illness

can make stool bulky, fatty and odiferous (that's " steatorrhea " ), and can

cause stones to form in the pancreas.

In some 70% to 80% of cases, alcoholism is a factor, but other causes can

include duct obstruction, nutritional factors and genetic abnormalities.

About 30% of cases have no known cause. Symptoms include severe abdominal

pain, weight loss and steatorrhea. When symptoms are mild, no treatment is

indicated. When needed, treatment focuses on pain control, relieving duct

obstruction, correcting digestive problems, and detecting and managing

complications.

The choice of treatment for you or for the patient you care about, depends

on the cause, the portion of the organ involved, symptoms and duct size.

This illness requires individual diagnosis and treatment. Not all patients

respond to the same therapy. Treatment may consist of medications and,

possibly, surgery. The Journal of Gastrointestinal Surgery reports that

surgery for chronic pancreatitis " can be performed safely with minimal

morbidity and excellent long-term survival. "

Mark E. Armstrong

www.top5plus5.com

Oregon State Chapter Rep

Pancreatitis Association, International

New and long....sorry

> Hello. My name is Gloria and I am 38 years old. I believe I have

> posted here quite awhile ago. I guess I am now at the end of my

> rope. For over three years now I have been getting these " attacks " .

> It usually is during the night and starts as a dull ache right

> between the ribs where my stomach is. The ache quickly turns into

> excruciating pain with sweats, nausea and vomitting which then leads

> to severe chills. These attacks would last anywhere from one to

> about three hours. Lately the attacks last the same, but I have

> milder pain for about a day afterward. The pain, again, is beyond

> belief. I cannot go to hospital during these attacks, because I

> cannot get off the bathroom floor.

> Anyway, I have been tested for gall bladder.......hide a scan, and

> some blood work and several abdominal ultrasounds. I have been

> seeing a gi doc because I also suffer from GERD and have had two

> endocinch procedures. I, as well as the docs, feel that the two

> things are unrelated. I suppose I am asking if these symptoms are

> close to pancreatitis, and are there any tests I should be asking

> for? I also suffer from gas and bloating. Any help would be

> appreciated. Gloria O'Hara

>

>

>

> PANCREATITIS Association, Intl.

> Online e-mail group

>

> To reply to this message hit " reply " or send an e-mail to:

Pancreatitis (AT) Yahoo

>

> To subscribe to this e-mail group, simply send an e-mail to:

Pancreatitis-subscribe (AT) Yahoo

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INTRODUCTION

Background: Pancreatitis is an inflammatory process in which pancreatic

enzymes autodigest the gland.

The gland can sometimes heal without any impairment of function or any

morphologic changes. This process is known as acute pancreatitis. It can

recur intermittently, contributing to the functional and morphologic loss of

the gland. Recurrent attacks are referred to as chronic pancreatitis. Both

forms of pancreatitis are present in the ED with acute clinical findings.

Pathophysiology: Because the pancreas is located in the retroperitoneal

space with no capsule, inflammation can spread easily. In acute

pancreatitis, parenchymal edema and peripancreatic fat necrosis occur first.

This process is known as acute edematous pancreatitis.

When necrosis involves the parenchyma, accompanied by hemorrhage and

dysfunction of the gland, the inflammation evolves into hemorrhagic or

necrotizing pancreatitis.

Pseudocysts and pancreatic abscesses can result from necrotizing

pancreatitis because of enzymes being walled off by granulation tissue (ie,

pseudocyst formation) or bacterial seeding of pancreatic or peripancreatic

tissue (ie, pancreatic abscess formation). An ultrasound or, preferably, a

CT scan can be used detect both.

The inflammatory process can cause systemic effects because of the presence

of cytokines, such as bradykinins and phospholipase A. These cytokines may

cause vasodilation, increase in vascular permeability, pain, and leukocyte

accumulation in the vessel walls. Fat necrosis may cause hypocalcemia.

Pancreatic B cell injury may lead to hyperglycemia.

Frequency:

In the US: Annual incidence of acute pancreatitis is 19.5 per 100,000

population and chronic pancreatitis is 8.3 per 100,000 population per year.

Mortality/Morbidity:

Although acute pancreatitis should be noted, chronic pancreatitis has a more

severe presentation as episodes recur.

Acute respiratory distress syndrome (ARDS), acute renal failure, cardiac

depression, hemorrhage, and hypotensive shock all may be systemic

manifestations of acute pancreatitis in its most severe form.

Race: Annual incidence of acute pancreatitis in Native American persons is 4

per 100,000 population, in white persons is 5.7 per 100,000 population, and

in black persons is 20.7 per 100,000 population.

Sex: No predilection exists.

Age: The risk for African American persons aged 35-64 years is 10 times

higher than for any other group. African American persons are at higher risk

than white persons in that same age group.

Clinical

History:

The main presentation of acute pancreatitis is epigastric pain or right

upper quadrant pain radiating to the back

Nausea and/or vomiting

Fever

Query the patient about recent surgeries and invasive procedures (ie,

endoscopic retrograde cholangiopancreatography) or family history of

hypertriglyceridemia.

Patients frequently have a history of previous biliary colic and binge

alcohol consumption, the major causes of acute pancreatitis.

Physical:

Tachycardia

Tachypnea

Hypotension

Fever

Abdominal tenderness, distension, guarding, and rigidity

Mild jaundice

Diminished or absent bowel sounds

Because of contiguous spread of inflammation (effusion) from the pancreas,

lung auscultation may reveal basilar rales, especially in the left lung.

Occasionally, in the extremities, muscular spasm may be noted secondary to

hypocalcemia.

Severe cases may have a Grey sign (ie, bluish discoloration of the

flanks) and Cullen sign (ie, bluish discoloration of the periumbilical area)

caused by the retroperitoneal leak of blood from the pancreas in hemorrhagic

pancreatitis.

Causes:

The major causes are long-standing alcohol consumption and biliary stone

disease.

In developed countries, the most common cause of acute pancreatitis is

alcohol abuse.

On the cellular level, ethanol leads to intracellular accumulation of

digestive enzymes and their premature activation and release.

On the ductal level, ethanol increases the permeability of ductules, which

allow enzymes to reach the parenchyma, resulting in pancreatic damage.

Ethanol increases the protein content of the pancreatic juice and decreases

bicarbonate levels and trypsin inhibitor concentrations. This leads to the

formation of protein plugs that block the pancreatic outflow and

obstruction.

Another major cause of acute pancreatitis is biliary stone disease (eg,

cholelithiasis, choledocholithiasis). A biliary stone may lodge in the

pancreatic duct or ampulla of Vater and obstruct the pancreatic duct,

leading to extravasation of enzymes into the parenchyma.

Minor causes of acute pancreatitis

Medications, including azathioprine, corticosteroids, sulfonamides,

thiazides, furosemides, NSAIDs, mercaptopurine, methyldopa, and

tetracyclines

Endoscopic retrograde cholangiopancreatography (ERCP)

Hypertriglyceridemia (When the triglyceride (TG) level exceeds 1000 mg/U, an

episode of pancreatitis is more likely.)

Peptic ulcer disease

Abdominal or cardiopulmonary bypass surgery, which may insult the gland by

ischemia

Trauma to the abdomen or back, resulting in sudden compression of the gland

against the spine posteriorly

Carcinoma of the pancreas, which may lead to pancreatic outflow obstruction

Viral infections, including mumps, sackievirus, cytomegalovirus (CMV),

hepatitis virus, Epstein-Barr virus (EBV), and rubella

Bacterial infections, such as mycoplasma

Intestinal parasites, such as ascaris, which can block the pancreatic

outflow

Pancreas divisum

Scorpion and snake bites

Vascular factors, such as ischemia or vasculitis

DIFFERENTIALS

Other Problems to be Considered: Perforated viscus

Acute peritonitis

Choledocholithiasis

Macroamylasemia

Macrolipasemia

Intestinal obstruction

Pancreatic cancer

Malabsorption syndromes/processes

Workup

Lab Studies:

A complete blood count (CBC) demonstrates leukocytosis (WBC >12000) with the

differential being shifted towards the segmented polymorphs.

If blood transfusion is necessary, as in cases of hemorrhagic pancreatitis,

obtain type and crossmatch.

Measure blood glucose level because it may be elevated from B cell injury in

the pancreas.

Obtain measurements for BUN, creatine (Cr), and electrolytes (Na, K, Cl,

CO2, P, Mg); a great disturbance in the electrolyte balance is usually

found, secondary to third spacing of fluids.

Measure amylase levels, preferably the Amylase P, which is more specific to

pancreatic pathology. Levels more than 3 times higher than normal strongly

suggest the diagnosis of acute pancreatitis

Lipase levels also are elevated and remain high for 12 days. In patients

with chronic pancreatitis (usually caused by alcohol abuse), lipase may be

elevated in the presence of a normal serum amylase level

Perform liver function tests (eg, alkaline phosphatase, serum

glutamic-pyruvic transaminase [sGPT], serum glutamic-oxaloacetic

transaminase [sGOT], G-GT) and bilirubin, particularly with biliary origin

pancreatitis.

Imaging Studies:

Perform a plain KUB (Kidneys, ureters, bladder) with the patient in the

upright position to exclude viscus perforation (ie, air under the

diaphragm). In cases with a recurrent episode of chronic pancreatitis,

peripancreatic calcifications may be noted

Ultrasound can be used as a screening test. If overlying gas shadows

secondary to bowel distention are present, it may not be specific

CT scan is the most reliable imaging modality in the diagnosis of acute

pancreatitis. The criteria for diagnosis are divided by Balthazar and

colleagues into 5 grades, as follows:

Grade A - Normal pancreas

Grade B - Focal or diffuse gland enlargement

Grade C - Intrinsic gland abnormality recognized by haziness on the scan

Grade D - Single ill-defined collection or phlegmon

Grade E - Two or more ill-defined collections or the presence of gas in or

nearby the pancreas

Other Tests:

Para-aminobenzoic acid test (ie, bentiromide [Chymex] test) for chronic

pancreatitis

Treatment

Emergency Department Care: Most of the cases presenting to the ED are

treated conservatively, and approximately 80% respond to such treatment.

Fluid resuscitation

Monitor accurate intake/output and electrolyte balance of the patient.

Crystalloids are used, but other infusions, such as packed red blood cells

(PRBCs), are occasionally administered, particularly in the case of

hemorrhagic pancreatitis.

Central lines and Swan-Ganz catheters are used in patients with severe fluid

loss and very low blood pressure.

Patients should have nothing by mouth, and a nasogastric tube should be

inserted to assure an empty stomach and to keep the GI system at rest.

Begin parenteral nutrition if the prognosis is poor and if the patient is

going to be kept in the hospital for more than 4 days.

Analgesics are used to relieve pain. Meperidine is preferred over morphine

because of the greater spastic effect of the latter on the sphincter of

Oddi.

Antibiotics are used in severe cases associated with septic shock or when

the CT scan indicates that a phlegmon of the pancreas has evolved.

Other conditions, such as biliary pancreatitis associated with cholangitis,

also need antibiotic coverage. The preferred antibiotics are the ones

secreted by the biliary system, such as ampicillin and third generation

cephalosporins.

Continuous oxygen saturation should be monitored by pulse oxymetry and

acidosis should be corrected. When tachypnea and pending respiratory failure

develops, intubation should be performed.

Perform CT-guided aspiration of necrotic areas, if necessary.

An ERCP may be indicated for common duct stone removal.

Consultations: Consult a general surgeon in the following cases:

For phlegmon of the pancreas, surgery can achieve drainage of any abscess or

scooping of necrotic pancreatic tissue. It should be followed by

postoperative lavage of the pancreatic bed.

In patients with hemorrhagic pancreatitis, surgery is indicated to achieve

hemostasis, particularly because major vessels may be eroded in acute

pancreatitis.

Patients who fail to improve despite optimal medical treatment or patients

who push the Ranson score even further are taken to the operating room.

Surgery in these cases may lead to a better outcome or confirm a different

diagnosis.

In biliary pancreatitis, a sphincterotomy (ie, surgical emptying of the

common bile duct) can relieve the obstruction. A cholecystectomy may be

performed to clear the system from any source of biliary stones.

Medications

The goal of pharmacotherapy is to relieve pain and minimize complications.

Drug Category: Antibiotics - Used to cover the microorganisms that may grow

in biliary pancreatitis and acute necrotizing pancreatitis. The empiric

antibiotic regimen usually is based on the premise that enteric anaerobic

and aerobic gram-bacilli microorganisms are often the cause of pancreatic

infections. Once culture sensitivities are made, adjustments in the

antibiotic regimen can be done. Drug Name

Ceftriaxone (Rocephin)- Third-generation cephalosporin with broad-spectrum

gram-negative activity; lower efficacy against gram-positive organisms;

higher efficacy against resistant organisms. Arrests bacterial growth by

binding to one or more penicillin binding proteins.

Adult Dose 1-2 g IM/IV once or divided bid

Pediatric Dose 50-75 mg/kg/d IM/IV divided q12h

Contraindications Documented hypersensitivity

Interactions Probenecid may increase levels; coadministration with

ethacrynic acid, furosemide, and aminoglycosides may increase nephrotoxicity

Pregnancy B - Usually safe but benefits must outweigh the risks.

Precautions Adjust dose in renal impairment; caution in breastfeeding women

and allergy to penicillin

Drug Name

Ampicillin (Marcillin, Omnipen)- Bactericidal activity against susceptible

organisms. Alternative to amoxicillin when unable to take medication orally.

Adult Dose 250-500 IM/IV mg q6h

Pediatric Dose 25-50 mg/kg/d IM/IV divided q6-8h

Contraindications Documented hypersensitivity; viral mononucleosis

Interactions Probenecid and disulfiram elevate levels; allopurinol decreases

effects and has additive effects on ampicillin rash; may decrease effects of

oral contraceptives

Pregnancy B - Usually safe but benefits must outweigh the risks.

Precautions Adjust dose in renal failure; evaluate rash and differentiate

from hypersensitivity reaction

Drug Category: Analgesics - Pain control is essential to quality patient

care. It ensures patient comfort, promotes pulmonary toilet, and has

sedating properties, which are beneficial for patients who have sustained

trauma or have painful lesions.

Drug Name

Meperidine (Demerol)- Analgesic with multiple actions similar to those of

morphine. May produce less constipation, smooth muscle spasm, and depression

of cough reflex than similar analgesic doses of morphine.

Adult Dose 15-35 mg/h IV; 50-150 mg IM q3-4h

Pediatric Dose 1.1-1.8 mg/kg IM q3-4h

Contraindications Documented hypersensitivity; MAOIs; upper airway

obstruction or significant respiratory depression; during labor when

delivery of premature infant is anticipated

Interactions Monitor for increased respiratory and CNS depression with

coadministration of cimetidine; hydantoins may decrease effects; avoid with

protease inhibitors

Pregnancy C - Safety for use during pregnancy has not been established.

Precautions Caution in head injuries because may increase respiratory

depression and CSF pressure (use only if absolutely necessary); caution when

using postoperatively and with history of pulmonary disease (suppresses

cough reflex; substantially increased dose levels may aggravate or cause

seizures because of tolerance, even if no prior history of convulsive

disorders; monitor closely for morphine-induced seizure activity if seizure

history exists

Drug Category: Antibiotics - Used to cover the microorganisms that may grow

in biliary pancreatitis and acute necrotizing pancreatitis. The empiric

antibiotic regimen usually is based on the premise that enteric anaerobic

and aerobic gram-bacilli microorganisms are often the cause of pancreatic

infections. Once culture sensitivities are made, adjustments in the

antibiotic regimen can be done. Drug Category: Analgesics - Pain control is

essential to quality patient care. It ensures patient comfort, promotes

pulmonary toilet, and has sedating properties, which are beneficial for

patients who have sustained trauma or have painful lesions.

Followup

Further Inpatient Care:

Transfer patients with Ranson scores of 0-2 to a hospital floor.

Transfer patients with Ranson scores 3-5 to an intensive care unit.

Transfer patients with Ranson scores higher than 5 to an intensive care unit

with emergency surgery as a possibility.

Further Outpatient Care:

The patient should be followed routinely with physical examination and

amylase and lipase assays.

Complications:

Infected pancreatic necrosis may result from seeding of bacteria into the

inflammation.

An acute pseudocyst is an effusion of pancreatic juice that is walled off by

granulation tissue after an episode of acute pancreatitis.

Hemorrhage into the GI tract retroperitoneum or the peritoneal cavity is

possible because of erosion of large vessels.

Intestinal obstruction or necrosis may occur.

Common bile duct obstruction may be caused by a pancreatic abscess,

pseudocyst, or biliary stone that caused the pancreatitis.

An internal pancreatic fistula from pancreatic duct disruption or a leaking

pancreatic pseudocyst may occur.

Prognosis:

Ranson developed a series of different criteria for the severity of acute

pancreatitis.

Present on admission

Older than 55 years

WBC higher than 16,000 per mcL

Blood glucose higher than 200 mg/dL

Serum lactate dehydrogenase (LDH) more than 350 IU/L

SGOT (ie, aspartate aminotransferase [AST]) greater than 250 IU/L

Developing during the first 48 hours

Hematocrit fall more than 10%

BUN increase more than 8 mg/dL

Serum calcium less than 8 mg/dL

Arterial oxygen saturation less than 60 mm Hg

Base deficit higher than 4 mEq/L

Estimated fluid sequestration higher than 600 mL

A Ranson score of 0-2 has a minimal mortality rate.

A Ranson score of 3-5 has a 10%-20% mortality rate.

A Ranson score higher than 5 has a mortality rate of more than 50% and is

associated with more systemic complications.

Patient Education:

Educate patients about the disease and advise then to avoid alcohol in binge

amounts and to discontinue any risk factor, such as fatty meals and

abdominal trauma.

I hope this finds you and yours well

Mark E. Armstrong

www.top5plus5.com

Oregon State Chapter Rep

Pancreatitis Association, International

New and long....sorry

> Hello. My name is Gloria and I am 38 years old. I believe I have

> posted here quite awhile ago. I guess I am now at the end of my

> rope. For over three years now I have been getting these " attacks " .

> It usually is during the night and starts as a dull ache right

> between the ribs where my stomach is. The ache quickly turns into

> excruciating pain with sweats, nausea and vomitting which then leads

> to severe chills. These attacks would last anywhere from one to

> about three hours. Lately the attacks last the same, but I have

> milder pain for about a day afterward. The pain, again, is beyond

> belief. I cannot go to hospital during these attacks, because I

> cannot get off the bathroom floor.

> Anyway, I have been tested for gall bladder.......hide a scan, and

> some blood work and several abdominal ultrasounds. I have been

> seeing a gi doc because I also suffer from GERD and have had two

> endocinch procedures. I, as well as the docs, feel that the two

> things are unrelated. I suppose I am asking if these symptoms are

> close to pancreatitis, and are there any tests I should be asking

> for? I also suffer from gas and bloating. Any help would be

> appreciated. Gloria O'Hara

>

>

>

> PANCREATITIS Association, Intl.

> Online e-mail group

>

> To reply to this message hit " reply " or send an e-mail to:

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Dear Gloria

I am sorry you have been so sick! It sure sounds like something with

the pancreas to me. What you describe sounds like the sphincter of

Oddi spasms! While you might not have pancreatitis yet, the two are

two different problems, if it is sphincter of Oddi, you will wind up

with pancreatitis if they don't treat it. I have chronic

pancreatitis caused by sphincter of Oddi dysfunction (SOD) and it

took 14 years to be diagnosed! This needs to be brought to the

attention of your doc immediately. These spasms have a pain that is

absolutely unbelievable! I call it the " pain from the sky " with no

awarning, etc. etc. it just happens.

I am glad you have posted because there are lots and lots of folks on

here who can give you some advice as to where to go from here.

Take care

Kaye

In pancreatitis@y..., " gloriaohara " wrote:

> Hello. My name is Gloria and I am 38 years old. I believe I have

> posted here quite awhile ago. I guess I am now at the end of my

> rope. For over three years now I have been getting

these " attacks " .

> It usually is during the night and starts as a dull ache right

> between the ribs where my stomach is. The ache quickly turns into

> excruciating pain with sweats, nausea and vomitting which then

leads

> to severe chills. These attacks would last anywhere from one to

> about three hours. Lately the attacks last the same, but I have

> milder pain for about a day afterward. The pain, again, is beyond

> belief. I cannot go to hospital during these attacks, because I

> cannot get off the bathroom floor.

> Anyway, I have been tested for gall bladder.......hide a scan, and

> some blood work and several abdominal ultrasounds. I have been

> seeing a gi doc because I also suffer from GERD and have had two

> endocinch procedures. I, as well as the docs, feel that the two

> things are unrelated. I suppose I am asking if these symptoms are

> close to pancreatitis, and are there any tests I should be asking

> for? I also suffer from gas and bloating. Any help would be

> appreciated. Gloria O'Hara

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Kaye,

What did they do to treat your sphincter of oddi dysfunction (SOD)? I have

read a lot about it (at the suggestion of some on the board) and it really

sounds like my problem. The God awful pain that comes from nowhere and is

unlike any other pain. My is under my right rib (where I think my

gallbladder used to be). I've only had one attack of acute panc in Jan 2000

(diagnosed by lab work), but I've had tons of others that sure felt like it.

I've had 3 ERCPs and 2 sphincterotomies. For the most part I had nothing but

occasional mild, nagging pain from Nov 2000 to Oct 2001. Since Oct 2001,

I've had about 8-10 attacks but I haven't gone to the hospital with any.

I've also begun having an increase in the lingering, naggy, sort of pain in

between the attacks. I'm debating on whether to go back to my GI (he's 100

miles away) or just keep ignoring it and hope it goes away once again.

In a message dated 3/20/02 1:39:25 PM Central Standard Time,

kfortenb@... writes:

> Dear Gloria

>

> I am sorry you have been so sick! It sure sounds like something with

> the pancreas to me. What you describe sounds like the sphincter of

> Oddi spasms! While you might not have pancreatitis yet, the two are

> two different problems, if it is sphincter of Oddi, you will wind up

> with pancreatitis if they don't treat it. I have chronic

> pancreatitis caused by sphincter of Oddi dysfunction (SOD) and it

> took 14 years to be diagnosed! This needs to be brought to the

> attention of your doc immediately. These spasms have a pain that is

> absolutely unbelievable! I call it the " pain from the sky " with no

> awarning, etc. etc. it just happens.

>

> I am glad you have posted because there are lots and lots of folks on

> here who can give you some advice as to where to go from here.

>

> Take care

>

> Kaye

>

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> Dear Gloria,

>

> I'm very sorry for your pain ad frustration. I understand it, and

know it's

> horrible. I wish you well in uncovering the mysteries that your

gut is

> riddling you with.

>

> You'll get many fine answers from this group - please look into

them, you'll

> get better diagnosis here than you'll get in any ER I'll wager.

Aside from

> pancreatitis, (which is definitely one thing that could explain

your pain and

> symptoms), please also do some reading about Gastroparesis and see

if perhaps

> that might be something that could be plaguing you as well. When

you say

> " bloating " , do you also suffer abdominal distention that feels

> extraordinarily unnatural and last for days, weeks at a time

sometimes?

>

> Please try to hang in there, there is hope and with good medical

care, you

> can get better and at least manage the pain and the very

uncomfortable side

> effects of that which ails you. So far there's no " easy " cure for

CP or

> Gastroparesis, but to some degree they are manageable, though it's

definitely

> not a picnic - pardon the " food " reference. Haha.

>

> Good luck to you Gloria,

> Peace,

> Terry in KC

>

> In a message dated 3/20/02 9:57:10 AM, gloriaohara@h... writes:

>

> << Hello. My name is Gloria and I am 38 years old. I believe I

have

> posted here quite awhile ago. I guess I am now at the end of my

> rope. For over three years now I have been getting

these " attacks " .

> It usually is during the night and starts as a dull ache right

> between the ribs where my stomach is. The ache quickly turns into

> excruciating pain with sweats, nausea and vomitting which then

leads

> to severe chills. These attacks would last anywhere from one to

> about three hours. Lately the attacks last the same, but I have

> milder pain for about a day afterward. The pain, again, is beyond

> belief. I cannot go to hospital during these attacks, because I

> cannot get off the bathroom floor.

> Anyway, I have been tested for gall bladder.......hide a scan, and

> some blood work and several abdominal ultrasounds. I have been

> seeing a gi doc because I also suffer from GERD and have had two

> endocinch procedures. I, as well as the docs, feel that the two

> things are unrelated. I suppose I am asking if these symptoms are

> close to pancreatitis, and are there any tests I should be asking

> for? I also suffer from gas and bloating. Any help would be

> appreciated. Gloria O'Hara >>

Gloria:

As far as GERD is concerned, I underwent Endo Cinch a year ago.

It helped for jusyt five months. Rather than try it again, my GI doc

advised me to have the full surgical procedure.

I did just that on 11/08 and have been virtually reflux free ever

since. It's so great to be able to lied down!!

-E

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Hi Gloria,

BOY !! You sound like me. My pain is very very similar to yours. I had my

gallbladder out in June 2001 then I developed that pain in thre recovery

room. They think that it is a spasm of the sphincter of Oddi. Apparently

this can be a complication of the surgery or some people have that just

because they are prone to it, not related to the GB at all. I know the pain

that you speak of, it is unbearable. My doc told me that SOD ( spincter of

oddi ) pain is like that in addition, pancreatic spasms can cause pain but

that is more between your center ribs and the belly button. Only one

definite way to dx this is thru a ERCP when they check the manometry

pressure readings. And the ERCP presents with it;s own set of problems. How

long have you had this ? Does anything give relief ? have you tried Levsin

under the tongue when you have one of these attacks as I call them ? It has

helped me.

Lily

New and long....sorry

> Hello. My name is Gloria and I am 38 years old. I believe I have

> posted here quite awhile ago. I guess I am now at the end of my

> rope. For over three years now I have been getting these " attacks " .

> It usually is during the night and starts as a dull ache right

> between the ribs where my stomach is. The ache quickly turns into

> excruciating pain with sweats, nausea and vomitting which then leads

> to severe chills. These attacks would last anywhere from one to

> about three hours. Lately the attacks last the same, but I have

> milder pain for about a day afterward. The pain, again, is beyond

> belief. I cannot go to hospital during these attacks, because I

> cannot get off the bathroom floor.

> Anyway, I have been tested for gall bladder.......hide a scan, and

> some blood work and several abdominal ultrasounds. I have been

> seeing a gi doc because I also suffer from GERD and have had two

> endocinch procedures. I, as well as the docs, feel that the two

> things are unrelated. I suppose I am asking if these symptoms are

> close to pancreatitis, and are there any tests I should be asking

> for? I also suffer from gas and bloating. Any help would be

> appreciated. Gloria O'Hara

>

>

>

> PANCREATITIS Association, Intl.

> Online e-mail group

>

> To reply to this message hit " reply " or send an e-mail to:

Pancreatitis (AT) Yahoo

>

> To subscribe to this e-mail group, simply send an e-mail to:

Pancreatitis-subscribe (AT) Yahoo

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All of the pain started about three and a half years ago. I was told

to try nitroglycerin under the tongue but was told the side effect

would be a migraine, and I suffer from those enough already. Also

my doc gave me maxaalt and told me that these attacks were abdominal

migraines........I knew they weren't and needless to say the meds did

not work. So far the only thing to get relief from these attacks is

time. The only way I get through one is that I know the worst of it

will end eventually. I am just so tired of them. It is almost

always during the middle of the night and I dread going to bed at

times.

Anyway, I really want to thank you all for your sweet replies. I

have gotten some wonderful information from you. I just need to find

a way to approach my doc so he will actually believe me or at least

do some tests. Gloria

.. How

> long have you had this ? Does anything give relief ? have you tried

Levsin

> under the tongue when you have one of these attacks as I call

them ? It has

> helped me.

> Lily

> New and long....sorry

>

>

> > Hello. My name is Gloria and I am 38 years old. I believe I have

> > posted here quite awhile ago. I guess I am now at the end of my

> > rope. For over three years now I have been getting

these " attacks " .

> > It usually is during the night and starts as a dull ache right

> > between the ribs where my stomach is. The ache quickly turns into

> > excruciating pain with sweats, nausea and vomitting which then

leads

> > to severe chills. These attacks would last anywhere from one to

> > about three hours. Lately the attacks last the same, but I have

> > milder pain for about a day afterward. The pain, again, is beyond

> > belief. I cannot go to hospital during these attacks, because I

> > cannot get off the bathroom floor.

> > Anyway, I have been tested for gall bladder.......hide a scan, and

> > some blood work and several abdominal ultrasounds. I have been

> > seeing a gi doc because I also suffer from GERD and have had two

> > endocinch procedures. I, as well as the docs, feel that the two

> > things are unrelated. I suppose I am asking if these symptoms are

> > close to pancreatitis, and are there any tests I should be asking

> > for? I also suffer from gas and bloating. Any help would be

> > appreciated. Gloria O'Hara

> >

> >

> >

> > PANCREATITIS Association, Intl.

> > Online e-mail group

> >

> > To reply to this message hit " reply " or send an e-mail to:

> Pancreatitis@Y...

> >

> > To subscribe to this e-mail group, simply send an e-mail to:

> Pancreatitis-subscribe@Y...

> >

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Gloria, I get my attacks at night as well or very early am when it is still

dark. I found that if I eat fat it causes an attack almost 10 hours later so

stay away from fat !

Tell your Doc that you want to try the Levsin under the tongue. The worst

thing that will happen is that he will say no and you have lost nothing by

asking. It does NOT cause headaches. I tried the nitro too, did nothing for

me but the Levsin does. I don't think I could go without taking a Levsin

during an attack. How do you do it, suffering thru one of those would be

shear hell. I would rather have a cow then put up with an attack and no

Levsin. Your a hero.

Lily

New and long....sorry

> >

> >

> > > Hello. My name is Gloria and I am 38 years old. I believe I have

> > > posted here quite awhile ago. I guess I am now at the end of my

> > > rope. For over three years now I have been getting

> these " attacks " .

> > > It usually is during the night and starts as a dull ache right

> > > between the ribs where my stomach is. The ache quickly turns into

> > > excruciating pain with sweats, nausea and vomitting which then

> leads

> > > to severe chills. These attacks would last anywhere from one to

> > > about three hours. Lately the attacks last the same, but I have

> > > milder pain for about a day afterward. The pain, again, is beyond

> > > belief. I cannot go to hospital during these attacks, because I

> > > cannot get off the bathroom floor.

> > > Anyway, I have been tested for gall bladder.......hide a scan, and

> > > some blood work and several abdominal ultrasounds. I have been

> > > seeing a gi doc because I also suffer from GERD and have had two

> > > endocinch procedures. I, as well as the docs, feel that the two

> > > things are unrelated. I suppose I am asking if these symptoms are

> > > close to pancreatitis, and are there any tests I should be asking

> > > for? I also suffer from gas and bloating. Any help would be

> > > appreciated. Gloria O'Hara

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > PANCREATITIS Association, Intl.

> > > Online e-mail group

> > >

> > > To reply to this message hit " reply " or send an e-mail to:

> > Pancreatitis@Y...

> > >

> > > To subscribe to this e-mail group, simply send an e-mail to:

> > Pancreatitis-subscribe@Y...

> > >

> > >

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Louie,

Thanks for the advice. I saw my surgeon for my 3 months post-op visit on

Thursday. I had a roux-en-y gastric bypass (for weight loss) in December.

He told me if I keep having problems to let him know and he will set up an

MRCP. He said I can never have a regular ERCP again because of the gastric

bypass. He said my stomach is now closed off and you can't get to the

pancreas by going down my throat anymore. He said they would have to go in

laparscopically and insert the camera through a small incision. I told him

my theory that I have sphincter of oddi dsyfunction and that the pain is

caused from the spasms. I told him I don't think it has gotten bad enough

yet to actually cause a full blown attack of pancreatitis. He said SOD does

sound like a definite possibility and that was when he told me if the

episodes continue he will schedule an MRCP. I had two episodes this weekend

- one Friday night and one Saturday night. They lasted a lot longer this

time, but never got to the highest level of pain. The other ones lasted only

20 minutes but the pain had to be a 9 or 10. These episodes lasted about an

hour or so each. The pain would wax and wane and ranged from about a 4 to an

8. Both of these episodes produced pain in the center of my abdomen (which

I've never had before) along with the pain under my right rib and through to

my back.

I haven't seen my GI since about Feb 01. I will call my surgeon Monday and

see about setting up the MRCP. An ultrasound I had in March 2000 (2 months

after the first attack) showed my bile duct was dilated at 5 mm. I don't

recall what the bile duct should be so I'm not sure if 5 mm is that much

above normal.

In a message dated 3/24/02 6:07:55 PM Central Standard Time,

Ehall@... writes:

> ,

> Since you have had so many attacks and the pain is now more lingering, I

> think you should consult with you your GI doc, even if it's only by phone

> since you are so far away and see ehat he has to say. They may need to see

> you since you have had so many attacks and the pain is becoming more & more

> lingering. Even if you don't want to go see him since he is so far away,

> maybe he could give you some info and what's going on over the phone. It's

> worth a try.

> Take Care,

> Louie in WV

> Re: Re: New and long....sorry

>

>

> Kaye,

> What did they do to treat your sphincter of oddi dysfunction (SOD)? I

> have

> read a lot about it (at the suggestion of some on the board) and it

> really

> sounds like my problem. The God awful pain that comes from nowhere and

> is

> unlike any other pain. My is under my right rib (where I think my

> gallbladder used to be). I've only had one attack of acute panc in Jan

> 2000

> (diagnosed by lab work), but I've had tons of others that sure felt like

> it.

> I've had 3 ERCPs and 2 sphincterotomies. For the most part I had nothing

> but

> occasional mild, nagging pain from Nov 2000 to Oct 2001. Since Oct 2001,

>

> I've had about 8-10 attacks but I haven't gone to the hospital with any.

>

> I've also begun having an increase in the lingering, naggy, sort of pain

> in

> between the attacks. I'm debating on whether to go back to my GI (he's

> 100

> miles away) or just keep ignoring it and hope it goes away once again.

>

>

>

>

> In a message dated 3/20/02 1:39:25 PM Central Standard Time,

> kfortenb@... writes:

>

>

> > Dear Gloria

> >

> > I am sorry you have been so sick! It sure sounds like something with

> > the pancreas to me. What you describe sounds like the sphincter of

> > Oddi spasms! While you might not have pancreatitis yet, the two are

> > two different problems, if it is sphincter of Oddi, you will wind up

> > with pancreatitis if they don't treat it. I have chronic

> > pancreatitis caused by sphincter of Oddi dysfunction (SOD) and it

> > took 14 years to be diagnosed! This needs to be brought to the

> > attention of your doc immediately. These spasms have a pain that is

> > absolutely unbelievable! I call it the " pain from the sky " with no

> > awarning, etc. etc. it just happens.

> >

> > I am glad you have posted because there are lots and lots of folks on

> > here who can give you some advice as to where to go from here.

> >

> > Take care

> >

> > Kaye

> >

>

>

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Louie,

An MRCP is an MRI that looks at the pancreas and ducts. It is non-invasive.

In a message dated 3/24/02 7:23:40 PM Central Standard Time,

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> ,

> What is a MRCP exactly. The reason I'm asking is because I can't have a

> ERCP since I had a Whipple done in 94 and I'm not put back togather the

> same way, as the took out part of my pancreas, part of my stomach and part

> of my intestines, so no more ERCP for me. Just CT scan which never show up

> anything new.

> Take Care

> Louie in WV

>

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Louie,

An MRCP is an MRI that looks at the pancreas and ducts. It is non-invasive.

In a message dated 3/24/02 7:23:40 PM Central Standard Time,

Ehall@... writes:

> ,

> What is a MRCP exactly. The reason I'm asking is because I can't have a

> ERCP since I had a Whipple done in 94 and I'm not put back togather the

> same way, as the took out part of my pancreas, part of my stomach and part

> of my intestines, so no more ERCP for me. Just CT scan which never show up

> anything new.

> Take Care

> Louie in WV

>

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Louie,

An MRCP is an MRI that looks at the pancreas and ducts. It is non-invasive.

In a message dated 3/24/02 7:23:40 PM Central Standard Time,

Ehall@... writes:

> ,

> What is a MRCP exactly. The reason I'm asking is because I can't have a

> ERCP since I had a Whipple done in 94 and I'm not put back togather the

> same way, as the took out part of my pancreas, part of my stomach and part

> of my intestines, so no more ERCP for me. Just CT scan which never show up

> anything new.

> Take Care

> Louie in WV

>

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Louie,

An MRCP is a version of an MRI and is non-invasive. How did you fare after

your Whipple in 1994. Did your CP get worse or improve and how long of a

recovery did you have after surgery?

Joan

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>

Hey Louie,

As a fellow Whipple survivor, does you navel have a sideways smile too?

Best wishes Poncho - GA

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>

Hey Louie,

As a fellow Whipple survivor, does you navel have a sideways smile too?

Best wishes Poncho - GA

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Hey Louie,

As a fellow Whipple survivor, does you navel have a sideways smile too?

Best wishes Poncho - GA

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,

Since you have had so many attacks and the pain is now more lingering, I think

you should consult with you your GI doc, even if it's only by phone since you

are so far away and see ehat he has to say. They may need to see you since you

have had so many attacks and the pain is becoming more & more lingering. Even

if you don't want to go see him since he is so far away, maybe he could give you

some info and what's going on over the phone. It's worth a try.

Take Care,

Louie in WV

Re: Re: New and long....sorry

Kaye,

What did they do to treat your sphincter of oddi dysfunction (SOD)? I have

read a lot about it (at the suggestion of some on the board) and it really

sounds like my problem. The God awful pain that comes from nowhere and is

unlike any other pain. My is under my right rib (where I think my

gallbladder used to be). I've only had one attack of acute panc in Jan 2000

(diagnosed by lab work), but I've had tons of others that sure felt like it.

I've had 3 ERCPs and 2 sphincterotomies. For the most part I had nothing but

occasional mild, nagging pain from Nov 2000 to Oct 2001. Since Oct 2001,

I've had about 8-10 attacks but I haven't gone to the hospital with any.

I've also begun having an increase in the lingering, naggy, sort of pain in

between the attacks. I'm debating on whether to go back to my GI (he's 100

miles away) or just keep ignoring it and hope it goes away once again.

In a message dated 3/20/02 1:39:25 PM Central Standard Time,

kfortenb@... writes:

> Dear Gloria

>

> I am sorry you have been so sick! It sure sounds like something with

> the pancreas to me. What you describe sounds like the sphincter of

> Oddi spasms! While you might not have pancreatitis yet, the two are

> two different problems, if it is sphincter of Oddi, you will wind up

> with pancreatitis if they don't treat it. I have chronic

> pancreatitis caused by sphincter of Oddi dysfunction (SOD) and it

> took 14 years to be diagnosed! This needs to be brought to the

> attention of your doc immediately. These spasms have a pain that is

> absolutely unbelievable! I call it the " pain from the sky " with no

> awarning, etc. etc. it just happens.

>

> I am glad you have posted because there are lots and lots of folks on

> here who can give you some advice as to where to go from here.

>

> Take care

>

> Kaye

>

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,

What is a MRCP exactly. The reason I'm asking is because I can't have a ERCP

since I had a Whipple done in 94 and I'm not put back togather the same way, as

the took out part of my pancreas, part of my stomach and part of my intestines,

so no more ERCP for me. Just CT scan which never show up anything new.

Take Care

Louie in WV

Re: Re: New and long....sorry

>

>

> Kaye,

> What did they do to treat your sphincter of oddi dysfunction (SOD)? I

> have

> read a lot about it (at the suggestion of some on the board) and it

> really

> sounds like my problem. The God awful pain that comes from nowhere and

> is

> unlike any other pain. My is under my right rib (where I think my

> gallbladder used to be). I've only had one attack of acute panc in Jan

> 2000

> (diagnosed by lab work), but I've had tons of others that sure felt like

> it.

> I've had 3 ERCPs and 2 sphincterotomies. For the most part I had nothing

> but

> occasional mild, nagging pain from Nov 2000 to Oct 2001. Since Oct 2001,

>

> I've had about 8-10 attacks but I haven't gone to the hospital with any.

>

> I've also begun having an increase in the lingering, naggy, sort of pain

> in

> between the attacks. I'm debating on whether to go back to my GI (he's

> 100

> miles away) or just keep ignoring it and hope it goes away once again.

>

>

>

>

> In a message dated 3/20/02 1:39:25 PM Central Standard Time,

> kfortenb@... writes:

>

>

> > Dear Gloria

> >

> > I am sorry you have been so sick! It sure sounds like something with

> > the pancreas to me. What you describe sounds like the sphincter of

> > Oddi spasms! While you might not have pancreatitis yet, the two are

> > two different problems, if it is sphincter of Oddi, you will wind up

> > with pancreatitis if they don't treat it. I have chronic

> > pancreatitis caused by sphincter of Oddi dysfunction (SOD) and it

> > took 14 years to be diagnosed! This needs to be brought to the

> > attention of your doc immediately. These spasms have a pain that is

> > absolutely unbelievable! I call it the " pain from the sky " with no

> > awarning, etc. etc. it just happens.

> >

> > I am glad you have posted because there are lots and lots of folks on

> > here who can give you some advice as to where to go from here.

> >

> > Take care

> >

> > Kaye

> >

>

>

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,

What is a MRCP exactly. The reason I'm asking is because I can't have a ERCP

since I had a Whipple done in 94 and I'm not put back togather the same way, as

the took out part of my pancreas, part of my stomach and part of my intestines,

so no more ERCP for me. Just CT scan which never show up anything new.

Take Care

Louie in WV

Re: Re: New and long....sorry

>

>

> Kaye,

> What did they do to treat your sphincter of oddi dysfunction (SOD)? I

> have

> read a lot about it (at the suggestion of some on the board) and it

> really

> sounds like my problem. The God awful pain that comes from nowhere and

> is

> unlike any other pain. My is under my right rib (where I think my

> gallbladder used to be). I've only had one attack of acute panc in Jan

> 2000

> (diagnosed by lab work), but I've had tons of others that sure felt like

> it.

> I've had 3 ERCPs and 2 sphincterotomies. For the most part I had nothing

> but

> occasional mild, nagging pain from Nov 2000 to Oct 2001. Since Oct 2001,

>

> I've had about 8-10 attacks but I haven't gone to the hospital with any.

>

> I've also begun having an increase in the lingering, naggy, sort of pain

> in

> between the attacks. I'm debating on whether to go back to my GI (he's

> 100

> miles away) or just keep ignoring it and hope it goes away once again.

>

>

>

>

> In a message dated 3/20/02 1:39:25 PM Central Standard Time,

> kfortenb@... writes:

>

>

> > Dear Gloria

> >

> > I am sorry you have been so sick! It sure sounds like something with

> > the pancreas to me. What you describe sounds like the sphincter of

> > Oddi spasms! While you might not have pancreatitis yet, the two are

> > two different problems, if it is sphincter of Oddi, you will wind up

> > with pancreatitis if they don't treat it. I have chronic

> > pancreatitis caused by sphincter of Oddi dysfunction (SOD) and it

> > took 14 years to be diagnosed! This needs to be brought to the

> > attention of your doc immediately. These spasms have a pain that is

> > absolutely unbelievable! I call it the " pain from the sky " with no

> > awarning, etc. etc. it just happens.

> >

> > I am glad you have posted because there are lots and lots of folks on

> > here who can give you some advice as to where to go from here.

> >

> > Take care

> >

> > Kaye

> >

>

>

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,

What is a MRCP exactly. The reason I'm asking is because I can't have a ERCP

since I had a Whipple done in 94 and I'm not put back togather the same way, as

the took out part of my pancreas, part of my stomach and part of my intestines,

so no more ERCP for me. Just CT scan which never show up anything new.

Take Care

Louie in WV

Re: Re: New and long....sorry

>

>

> Kaye,

> What did they do to treat your sphincter of oddi dysfunction (SOD)? I

> have

> read a lot about it (at the suggestion of some on the board) and it

> really

> sounds like my problem. The God awful pain that comes from nowhere and

> is

> unlike any other pain. My is under my right rib (where I think my

> gallbladder used to be). I've only had one attack of acute panc in Jan

> 2000

> (diagnosed by lab work), but I've had tons of others that sure felt like

> it.

> I've had 3 ERCPs and 2 sphincterotomies. For the most part I had nothing

> but

> occasional mild, nagging pain from Nov 2000 to Oct 2001. Since Oct 2001,

>

> I've had about 8-10 attacks but I haven't gone to the hospital with any.

>

> I've also begun having an increase in the lingering, naggy, sort of pain

> in

> between the attacks. I'm debating on whether to go back to my GI (he's

> 100

> miles away) or just keep ignoring it and hope it goes away once again.

>

>

>

>

> In a message dated 3/20/02 1:39:25 PM Central Standard Time,

> kfortenb@... writes:

>

>

> > Dear Gloria

> >

> > I am sorry you have been so sick! It sure sounds like something with

> > the pancreas to me. What you describe sounds like the sphincter of

> > Oddi spasms! While you might not have pancreatitis yet, the two are

> > two different problems, if it is sphincter of Oddi, you will wind up

> > with pancreatitis if they don't treat it. I have chronic

> > pancreatitis caused by sphincter of Oddi dysfunction (SOD) and it

> > took 14 years to be diagnosed! This needs to be brought to the

> > attention of your doc immediately. These spasms have a pain that is

> > absolutely unbelievable! I call it the " pain from the sky " with no

> > awarning, etc. etc. it just happens.

> >

> > I am glad you have posted because there are lots and lots of folks on

> > here who can give you some advice as to where to go from here.

> >

> > Take care

> >

> > Kaye

> >

>

>

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,

Thanks for your answer so quickly. I can't have an MRI either as my implanted

pain pump is metal and I also have metal clips in my neck and head from

Embolzation on my left extrenal corrodid artery. This was experimental surgery

for miagraines, I was only the 5 to have it done and naturally I was the only

one to have problems with it , so they don't do this surgery anymore. But at

least it did help. Thanks again,

Louie in WV

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Louie,

An MRCP is an MRI that looks at the pancreas and ducts. It is non-invasive.

In a message dated 3/24/02 7:23:40 PM Central Standard Time,

Ehall@... writes:

> ,

> What is a MRCP exactly. The reason I'm asking is because I can't have a

> ERCP since I had a Whipple done in 94 and I'm not put back togather the

> same way, as the took out part of my pancreas, part of my stomach and part

> of my intestines, so no more ERCP for me. Just CT scan which never show up

> anything new.

> Take Care

> Louie in WV

>

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