throughly gutted :-(

[Guest guest]

Poor kai

we have been scd for what 3 -4 weeks now. Kai started the diet

brilliantlu, he hadnt had any fruit for so long etc, anyway over the

last week, he has just looked worse and worse, and hes even shown

behaviour that we havnt seen before, he then started passing

undigested food. I put him on the intro diet again for last 2 days,

he had 14 hours sleep last night, got up looking a little better,

the panda eyes actualy looked less. and then 2 hours later had the

most horrendous diarrhoea.

I dont know what this mean. Kai appeared, before i took out carbs

to have probs with sals/phenols/amines. All he wanted to eat when

we began scd was those type foods, bananas, apples, tomatoes. I

tried not to let him have to much, but he was constantly hungry.

Kai has also had a problem with being constipated but i would have

thought with extra fruit in the diet, this sud have lessened, but

then that might have been offset by the fact that he eats approx 2-3

eggs a day in cooking.

with no fruit (except pears, raw and peeled) and only eating, all

the meats,carrots and green beans cooked, kai has perfect bms, once

a day.

he also seems to cope with red cabbage, iceberg lettuce, but not

much more, He doesnt like much else and i havent tried either to be

honest, im just trying to get this stage right.

so....

has all the fruit fermented in his bowel?

is he constipated and thats why the fruit has been fermenting in the

bowel or would the fruit have fermented anyway?

can i assume that the sals/phenols/amines may still pose a probelm

and sud be left well alone for another 3 months?

Is it worth me trying again wen hes calmed down but with 1 fruit a

day on rotation, or will they still build up toxic wise even if not

on the fermenting side of things?

He also wont eat fruit cooked!!!

sorry for so many questions, hes just so gutted, hes been eating

hardly anything for months pretty much what he does now but with

added pots and rice. and it was so nice to see him enjoy eating for

once.

aaagh. im so annoyed, he was having all these with enzymes and

phenol assist, but they didnt appear to help, im only supplementing

him on kitrkmans everyday companion powder, lactobacillus, biocare

liquid zinc now, leaving the enzymes for the minute (waiting for nn

clo peach, cant have citrus, it causes kai migraines.)

sorry for the whinge, thank you for listening,

em, kai 7 asd dspx uc fian 2 uc happy today, (hes been fine no upset

belly at all!!!! guess hes not as badly affected as kai)

[Guest guest]

Hi Emma,

> we have been scd for what 3 -4 weeks now. Kai started the diet

> brilliantlu, he hadnt had any fruit for so long etc, anyway over

the

> last week, he has just looked worse and worse, and hes even shown

> behaviour that we havnt seen before, he then started passing

> undigested food. I put him on the intro diet again for last 2

days,

> he had 14 hours sleep last night, got up looking a little better,

> the panda eyes actualy looked less. and then 2 hours later had

the

> most horrendous diarrhoea.

Since he looked better (extra sleeping is also another die off

symptom) and had a large bowel movement it sounds as if he was

clearing something out of his system , in other words more die off.

Perhaps the last few days before putting him back on the intro he

was eating some food or foods that he wasn't ready to digest, once

he was able to digest foods hagain on the intro his body cleared out

the nasty stuff with the diarrhea (which is not uncommon with die

off)

> I dont know what this mean. Kai appeared, before i took out carbs

> to have probs with sals/phenols/amines. All he wanted to eat when

> we began scd was those type foods, bananas, apples, tomatoes. I

> tried not to let him have to much, but he was constantly hungry.

Increased hunger is extremely common on the diet - once their bodies

gets food that it can digest (instead of microbial fermentation in

the body) it will switch digestion and start to heal (which requires

extra food energy ...so they are often quite hungry.

> Kai has also had a problem with being constipated but i would have

> thought with extra fruit in the diet, this sud have lessened, but

> then that might have been offset by the fact that he eats approx 2-

3

> eggs a day in cooking.

Extra fruit may help some children but not necessarily all. If he

isn't ready for raw fruit then it will feed harmful microbes

(bacteria and/or yeast).

> with no fruit (except pears, raw and peeled) and only eating, all

> the meats,carrots and green beans cooked, kai has perfect bms,

once

> a day.

So, he was okay with this bowel-wise and behaviour-wise.

> he also seems to cope with red cabbage, iceberg lettuce, but not

> much more, He doesnt like much else and i havent tried either to

be

> honest, im just trying to get this stage right.

Cabbage is a much harder to digest food.

To best determine which foods he is actually ready for you could try

keeping a food journal and only add one new food after the intro

every 3-5 days. Were the cabbage and lettuce cooked or raw? he may

not be ready to digest raw fruit and vegetable.

Have you tried epsom salt baths? They really seem to help many of

the children who are going through a lot of die off.

Let us know how he does the next few days.

Sheila