Vaccine HELP in So. Calif.

[Guest guest]

My 2.9 yr son was recently diagnosed with autism. Now, my 13 month old

daughter is due to have the MMR at 12 months. I've postponed it because I'm

so afraid of the same thing happening to her. I've asked my pediatrician to

administer each vaccine separately, months apart. (measles at 12-15 mths,

mumps at 18-21 mths, and rubella at 24-27 mths.)

The pediatrician said it is possible to purchase them individually, but they

come in a quantity of 10, and since I'm the only one with this request, I would

have to pay entire order as it is not cost effective for their office. Each shot

is

approx $200. Therefore this option is out of the question.

Is there anyone in the So. California area that has a pedicatrician that will

only

charge for the 3 shots and not the entire order?

Is there anyone that can offer advice on vaccine decisions after having a child

diganosed with ASD.

I understand that vaccines need to be given at certain ages, so time is of the

essence. I need to make a decision soon. Any help would be appreciated.

Thank you,

Tony

[Guest guest]

" administer each vaccine separately, months apart. (measles at

12-15 mths, mumps at 18-21 mths, and rubella at 24-27 mths.)

"

Tony,

I'm sorry to say that I don't have any CA info for you, but it seems

to me that this is still too close together based on what I

remember Dr. Wakefield saying at Autism One.

Maybe you can go to their website and see if you can access his

information yet.

http://www.autismone.org

It seems to me that his recommendation was something like 2

years, 3 1/2 years and 5 years or something. More than a year

separating each injection.

Maybe you could find a few more people interested in the

separated shots and split the cost of 10 between even 4 people.

That would make it just $50 per person. At least more affordable

than $200.

Jody

mom to -6 and -8

SCD 28 months

[Guest guest]

Dr. Cave talked at the Boston DAN conference, and wrote a book

called " What Your Doctor May Not Tell You About Children's Vaccinations " .

You can buy the book for $5.50 from NAA. She recommends (in the book) that

the MMR be administered in separate vaccinations, with measles first at 15

months, followed by rubella 12 months later, followed by mumps 12 months

after rubella. She gives a lot of other advice about how the child should be

well, no antibiotics, use some supplements to protect, etc. You could

probably listen to her presentation at the Boston DAN for free on the

webcast at the ARI (Autism Research Institute) website. Dr. Wakefield's

presentation is on there as well.

I think that Hopewell Pharmacy sells the individual component vaccines for

free, but I don't know how much they cost - you could call and ask at

(800)792-6670.

Vaccines do not " have " to be given at certain ages. The schedule is there to

protect the community at large. A lot of your decision depends on your

individual family circumstances. Is she in daycare? That will increase her

risk. Is she completely neurotypical? I'd be worried about giving her

further vaccinations if you were unsure about that answer. Has she gotten

thimerosal in previous vaccines? That could predispose her to an adverse

reaction to the MMR, because she has the same parents as your child with

autism. I have heard of people waiting to vaccinate siblings until they were

past the autism diagnosis age - around 3 years old. It is a decision your

family will have to make, and is not an easy one.

Best wishes -

Kathy

Vaccine HELP in So. Calif.

> My 2.9 yr son was recently diagnosed with autism. Now, my 13 month old

> daughter is due to have the MMR at 12 months. I've postponed it because

> I'm

> so afraid of the same thing happening to her. I've asked my pediatrician

> to

> administer each vaccine separately, months apart. (measles at 12-15 mths,

> mumps at 18-21 mths, and rubella at 24-27 mths.)

>

> The pediatrician said it is possible to purchase them individually, but

> they

> come in a quantity of 10, and since I'm the only one with this request, I

> would

> have to pay entire order as it is not cost effective for their office.

> Each shot is

> approx $200. Therefore this option is out of the question.

>

> Is there anyone in the So. California area that has a pedicatrician that

> will only

> charge for the 3 shots and not the entire order?

>

> Is there anyone that can offer advice on vaccine decisions after having a

> child

> diganosed with ASD.

>

> I understand that vaccines need to be given at certain ages, so time is of

> the

> essence. I need to make a decision soon. Any help would be appreciated.

>

> Thank you,

> Tony

>

>

>

>

>

>

> For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book

> _Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following

> websites:

> http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info

> and

> http://www.pecanbread.com

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you for all the responses to my post. I'm following up on all matters.

I did contact Hopewell Pharmacy and they do sell individual component

vaccines at a reasonable cost.

Thanks again,

Tony

> Dr. Cave talked at the Boston DAN conference, and wrote a book

> called " What Your Doctor May Not Tell You About Children's Vaccinations " .

> You can buy the book for $5.50 from NAA. She recommends (in the book)

that

> the MMR be administered in separate vaccinations, with measles first at 15

> months, followed by rubella 12 months later, followed by mumps 12 months

> after rubella. She gives a lot of other advice about how the child should be

> well, no antibiotics, use some supplements to protect, etc. You could

> probably listen to her presentation at the Boston DAN for free on the

> webcast at the ARI (Autism Research Institute) website. Dr. Wakefield's

> presentation is on there as well.

>

> I think that Hopewell Pharmacy sells the individual component vaccines for

> free, but I don't know how much they cost - you could call and ask at

> (800)792-6670.

>

> Vaccines do not " have " to be given at certain ages. The schedule is there to

> protect the community at large. A lot of your decision depends on your

> individual family circumstances. Is she in daycare? That will increase her

> risk. Is she completely neurotypical? I'd be worried about giving her

> further vaccinations if you were unsure about that answer. Has she gotten

> thimerosal in previous vaccines? That could predispose her to an adverse

> reaction to the MMR, because she has the same parents as your child with

> autism. I have heard of people waiting to vaccinate siblings until they were

> past the autism diagnosis age - around 3 years old. It is a decision your

> family will have to make, and is not an easy one.

>

> Best wishes -

> Kathy

> Vaccine HELP in So. Calif.

>

>

> > My 2.9 yr son was recently diagnosed with autism. Now, my 13 month old

> > daughter is due to have the MMR at 12 months. I've postponed it because

> > I'm

> > so afraid of the same thing happening to her. I've asked my pediatrician

> > to

> > administer each vaccine separately, months apart. (measles at 12-15

mths,

> > mumps at 18-21 mths, and rubella at 24-27 mths.)

> >

> > The pediatrician said it is possible to purchase them individually, but

> > they

> > come in a quantity of 10, and since I'm the only one with this request, I

> > would

> > have to pay entire order as it is not cost effective for their office.

> > Each shot is

> > approx $200. Therefore this option is out of the question.

> >

> > Is there anyone in the So. California area that has a pedicatrician that

> > will only

> > charge for the 3 shots and not the entire order?

> >

> > Is there anyone that can offer advice on vaccine decisions after having a

> > child

> > diganosed with ASD.

> >

> > I understand that vaccines need to be given at certain ages, so time is of

> > the

> > essence. I need to make a decision soon. Any help would be appreciated.

> >

> > Thank you,

> > Tony

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book

> > _Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following

> > websites:

> > http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info

> > and

> > http://www.pecanbread.com

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Hopewell Pharmacy in NJ sells MMR vaccines separated. They were at the DAN

conference and advertised it. I don't know if you have to buy more than more

set. I have a 3.5 year old with autism and a 18 month old who is developing

fine, but has intestinal issues. We just started SCD this week. We've been

cautious with her immunizations, at first giving two at a time. Then I got

scared and its been a year since I've given her any because of her stomach

issues.

Cave wrote a book about immunizations that's fantastic. What your

doctor may not told you about immunizations. She gives a suggested time

line if you want to do all the shots and comply with state regulations. For my

son with ASD I regretfully gave all of his shots except MMR (thank god) on

schedule. Cave's basic suggestion is to give one shot at a time at least one

month apart when the child is 100% well. Give Vitamin C and Cod liver Oil two

to three days before and following shot.

[Guest guest]

I'm not sure exactly what I would do if I had another child except I know

this. In China, the children don't get any vaccines until they are 2 years

old and they have the lowest infant disease and mortality rate than any

other country in the world. They stopped putting the thimerasol in their

vaccines also. I know it is a communist country and not everything can be

good but, I believe this is the way to go. I know my daughter was given a

vaccine in the heel as soon as she was born and I had a bacterial infection

the last month of my pregnancy and was on an antibiotic. She never had a

chance. She was low immune already when she was born and her temp. dropped

low and she had to be in an incubator all night and was fed sugar water for

that length of time. She seemed to be ok but, at 3 weeks old she was

hospitalized for having a terrible cold. Although the Dr. didn't know what

was wrong with her. I was breastfeeding every hour and a half. She also has

4 shots at once at about 1. Thinking this was the protocol and the dr. knew

what he was doing, I allowed it. She was diagnosed with Autism on her 3rd

birthday and she will be 5 and still cannot talk. I pitty any Dr. that my

next child will have, if I chose to have another one, because I will be

calling the " shots " !

Vaccine HELP in So. Calif.

> My 2.9 yr son was recently diagnosed with autism. Now, my 13 month old

> daughter is due to have the MMR at 12 months. I've postponed it because

I'm

> so afraid of the same thing happening to her. I've asked my pediatrician

to

> administer each vaccine separately, months apart. (measles at 12-15 mths,

> mumps at 18-21 mths, and rubella at 24-27 mths.)

>

> The pediatrician said it is possible to purchase them individually, but

they

> come in a quantity of 10, and since I'm the only one with this request, I

would

> have to pay entire order as it is not cost effective for their office.

Each shot is

> approx $200. Therefore this option is out of the question.

>

> Is there anyone in the So. California area that has a pedicatrician that

will only

> charge for the 3 shots and not the entire order?

>

> Is there anyone that can offer advice on vaccine decisions after having a

child

> diganosed with ASD.

>

> I understand that vaccines need to be given at certain ages, so time is of

the

> essence. I need to make a decision soon. Any help would be appreciated.

>

> Thank you,

> Tony

>

>

>

>

>

>

> For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book

_Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following

websites:

> http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info

> and

> http://www.pecanbread.com

>

>

[Guest guest]

i have seen posts by parents whose kids regressed on single vaccines

bitterly regretting getting any vaccines at all

unfortunately they use the most vicious of the measles variants in

the measles vaccine

basically a lot of these kids cannot handle any vaccine

i would think there are basic immune tests that can be done that

would give a clear indication of the childs susceptibility to vaccine

damage

www.danasview.net has info of getting vaccine exemptions in california

always with kids the later the vaccine the better, their immune

systems start to become more adult like from about three on, but six

is a more robust date

BUT A LOT OF THESE KIDS CANNOT HANDLE ANY VACCINE

> " administer each vaccine separately, months apart. (measles at

> 12-15 mths, mumps at 18-21 mths, and rubella at 24-27 mths.)

> "

>

> Tony,

>

> I'm sorry to say that I don't have any CA info for you, but it

seems

> to me that this is still too close together based on what I

> remember Dr. Wakefield saying at Autism One.

>

> Maybe you can go to their website and see if you can access his

> information yet.

>

> http://www.autismone.org

>

> It seems to me that his recommendation was something like 2

> years, 3 1/2 years and 5 years or something. More than a year

> separating each injection.

>

> Maybe you could find a few more people interested in the

> separated shots and split the cost of 10 between even 4 people.

> That would make it just $50 per person. At least more affordable

> than $200.

>

> Jody

> mom to -6 and -8

> SCD 28 months

[Guest guest]

I also read Cave's book and highly recommend it. She explains

what the vaccinations are for and which ones are necessary for your

child's health, rather than public health concerns. I have a four year

old with autism that had all of his immunizations at the regularly

scheduled times and suffered a bad reaction after his MMR shot. I also

have a 22 month old daughter who is developing beautifully who has had

very few shots. We chose to only give her one shot at a time and only

vaccines that were necessary to her health. We also waited until she

was four months old to give her her first shot. She has never been in

day care so we felt okay about waiting. I will never give her hep B.

She can choose to have that one when she is an adolescent and enters a

higher risk group. Our pediatrician is not really in agreement with my

decision, but when I demonstrate my knowledge about vaccines and vaccine

safety, it appears as if I know more about it than she does and she

backs down. I have never regretted my decision and wish I had educated

myself when my son was a baby.

> Hopewell Pharmacy in NJ sells MMR vaccines separated. They were at the

> DAN

> conference and advertised it. I don't know if you have to buy more

> than more

> set. I have a 3.5 year old with autism and a 18 month old who is

> developing

> fine, but has intestinal issues. We just started SCD this week.

> We've been

> cautious with her immunizations, at first giving two at a time. Then

> I got

> scared and its been a year since I've given her any because of her

> stomach

> issues.

>

> Cave wrote a book about immunizations that's fantastic.

> What your

> doctor may not told you about immunizations. She gives a suggested

> time

> line if you want to do all the shots and comply with state

> regulations. For my

> son with ASD I regretfully gave all of his shots except MMR (thank

> god) on

> schedule. Cave's basic suggestion is to give one shot at a time at

> least one

> month apart when the child is 100% well. Give Vitamin C and Cod liver

> Oil two

> to three days before and following shot.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

> My 2.9 yr son was recently diagnosed with autism. Now, my 13 month old

> daughter is due to have the MMR at 12 months. I've postponed it

because I'm

> so afraid of the same thing happening to her. I've asked my

pediatrician to

> administer each vaccine separately, months apart. (measles at 12-15

mths,

> mumps at 18-21 mths, and rubella at 24-27 mths.)

>

> The pediatrician said it is possible to purchase them individually,

but they

> come in a quantity of 10, and since I'm the only one with this

request, I would

> have to pay entire order as it is not cost effective for their

office. Each shot is

> approx $200. Therefore this option is out of the question.

>

> Is there anyone in the So. California area that has a pedicatrician

that will only

> charge for the 3 shots and not the entire order?

>

> Is there anyone that can offer advice on vaccine decisions after

having a child

> diganosed with ASD.

>

> I understand that vaccines need to be given at certain ages, so time

is of the

> essence. I need to make a decision soon. Any help would be appreciated.

>

> Thank you,

> Tony

Hi there,

My son has PDD, I am not giving him another vaccine again. end of story.

[Guest guest]

This is a little off topic, but I have a 6.5 month old due for her

shots. She is due for her 6 months shots (called too late to get her

in on time :-( My husband and I have been debating whether or not to

continue with her shots. She did fine with the first 2 series and may

do fine with the rest?????

My son (currently on the diet for severe chronic yeast due to

antibiotics) completed his shots with out any problems.

Me on the other hand did well with all but the MMR (this was 26 years

ago) Before the shot, I was walking and saying short sentences.

After the shot I could not hold my head up for 1 week, did not walk

again until 2 weeks, and stopped talking for 3 weeks. My mom said " it

was like you were not there. "

Not knowing about this, I got my second MMR in college (required to

stay in the dorms) and not quite as bad but still took me out for 3 weeks.

Is there a web site that recommends when it is safe to give the shots

and which ones?

Thanks!

andrea

mother of Caden 2 years old, SCD 4.5 months, Emmalynn 6.5 months

> > My 2.9 yr son was recently diagnosed with autism. Now, my 13 month

old

> > daughter is due to have the MMR at 12 months. I've postponed it

> because I'm

> > so afraid of the same thing happening to her. I've asked my

> pediatrician to

> > administer each vaccine separately, months apart. (measles at 12-15

> mths,

> > mumps at 18-21 mths, and rubella at 24-27 mths.)

> >

> > The pediatrician said it is possible to purchase them individually,

> but they

> > come in a quantity of 10, and since I'm the only one with this

> request, I would

> > have to pay entire order as it is not cost effective for their

> office. Each shot is

> > approx $200. Therefore this option is out of the question.

> >

> > Is there anyone in the So. California area that has a pedicatrician

> that will only

> > charge for the 3 shots and not the entire order?

> >

> > Is there anyone that can offer advice on vaccine decisions after

> having a child

> > diganosed with ASD.

> >

> > I understand that vaccines need to be given at certain ages, so time

> is of the

> > essence. I need to make a decision soon. Any help would be

appreciated.

> >

> > Thank you,

> > Tony

> Hi there,

> My son has PDD, I am not giving him another vaccine again. end of story.

[Guest guest]

did she really do fine with the first series?

the trouble with children is they are so up and down with their

developement that you have to look over six months or longer to gain

an idea of effect.............

i have written up some thoughts

http://members.tripod.com/mueller_ranges/links/vaccines.html

my sister vaccinated her children before 1 year, they are on

autistic spectrum, her sister in law never vaccinated her chidlren at

all and now as teens they shine out as so much healthier than thier

peers its unreal..............

you have to make your onw decisons and if you think the medical

establishment knows what it is on about do a search on 'simpsonwood'

and mercury

all vaccine damage is irreversiable and imo elaines daughter would

never had recovered had she been vaccinated the way they do now

> > > My 2.9 yr son was recently diagnosed with autism. Now, my 13

month

> old

> > > daughter is due to have the MMR at 12 months. I've postponed it

> > because I'm

> > > so afraid of the same thing happening to her. I've asked my

> > pediatrician to

> > > administer each vaccine separately, months apart. (measles at

12-15

> > mths,

> > > mumps at 18-21 mths, and rubella at 24-27 mths.)

> > >

> > > The pediatrician said it is possible to purchase them

individually,

> > but they

> > > come in a quantity of 10, and since I'm the only one with this

> > request, I would

> > > have to pay entire order as it is not cost effective for their

> > office. Each shot is

> > > approx $200. Therefore this option is out of the question.

> > >

> > > Is there anyone in the So. California area that has a

pedicatrician

> > that will only

> > > charge for the 3 shots and not the entire order?

> > >

> > > Is there anyone that can offer advice on vaccine decisions after

> > having a child

> > > diganosed with ASD.

> > >

> > > I understand that vaccines need to be given at certain ages, so

time

> > is of the

> > > essence. I need to make a decision soon. Any help would be

> appreciated.

> > >

> > > Thank you,

> > > Tony

> > Hi there,

> > My son has PDD, I am not giving him another vaccine again. end of

story.

[Guest guest]

I am waiting until my son is at least 2 years old before I start any

immunizations. His 2 1/2 year old brother has ASD and I am almost positive it

is related to his 12 month round of immunizations. When I do start I will do no

more than one at a time...and I will wait a long...long time on the MMR...which

will be separated.

Good luck

Jen

MOM to ASD (SCD 3 weeks)

and 9 months old

Re: Vaccine HELP in So. Calif.

This is a little off topic, but I have a 6.5 month old due for her

shots. She is due for her 6 months shots (called too late to get her

in on time :-( My husband and I have been debating whether or not to

continue with her shots. She did fine with the first 2 series and may

do fine with the rest?????

My son (currently on the diet for severe chronic yeast due to

antibiotics) completed his shots with out any problems.

Me on the other hand did well with all but the MMR (this was 26 years

ago) Before the shot, I was walking and saying short sentences.

After the shot I could not hold my head up for 1 week, did not walk

again until 2 weeks, and stopped talking for 3 weeks. My mom said " it

was like you were not there. "

Not knowing about this, I got my second MMR in college (required to

stay in the dorms) and not quite as bad but still took me out for 3 weeks.

Is there a web site that recommends when it is safe to give the shots

and which ones?

Thanks!

andrea

mother of Caden 2 years old, SCD 4.5 months, Emmalynn 6.5 months

> > My 2.9 yr son was recently diagnosed with autism. Now, my 13 month

old

> > daughter is due to have the MMR at 12 months. I've postponed it

> because I'm

> > so afraid of the same thing happening to her. I've asked my

> pediatrician to

> > administer each vaccine separately, months apart. (measles at 12-15

> mths,

> > mumps at 18-21 mths, and rubella at 24-27 mths.)

> >

> > The pediatrician said it is possible to purchase them individually,

> but they

> > come in a quantity of 10, and since I'm the only one with this

> request, I would

> > have to pay entire order as it is not cost effective for their

> office. Each shot is

> > approx $200. Therefore this option is out of the question.

> >

> > Is there anyone in the So. California area that has a pedicatrician

> that will only

> > charge for the 3 shots and not the entire order?

> >

> > Is there anyone that can offer advice on vaccine decisions after

> having a child

> > diganosed with ASD.

> >

> > I understand that vaccines need to be given at certain ages, so time

> is of the

> > essence. I need to make a decision soon. Any help would be

appreciated.

> >

> > Thank you,

> > Tony

> Hi there,

> My son has PDD, I am not giving him another vaccine again. end of story.

For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book

_Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following

websites:

http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info

and

http://www.pecanbread.com

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[Guest guest]

over the last year or so on the autism-mercury board i have seen

probably several posts by parents who had the children become

autistic from just the measles vaccine

the children are sort basics like vitamin a, iodine, vitmain d and

skin vitamin d and thyroid function

there just no way it not going to be a disaster

its a macdonalds medical world, 'super size me'

> I am waiting until my son is at least 2 years old before I start

any immunizations. His 2 1/2 year old brother has ASD and I am

almost positive it is related to his 12 month round of

immunizations. When I do start I will do no more than one at a

time...and I will wait a long...long time on the MMR...which will be

separated.

>

> Good luck

> Jen

> MOM to ASD (SCD 3 weeks)

> and 9 months old

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>