Guest guest Posted June 2, 2005 Report Share Posted June 2, 2005 Hi, Everyone, I need your help again. my 3 1/2 yr old has been acting like he is having a very difficult time passing his b.m's for the last 3 days. he is bending over on chairs or lying on his back with his legs up for as much of the day as possible. he has been very rigid in his behaviour and a bit tantrumy, along with less compliance. he seems to be trying to pass it on and off all day with no success. his sleep pattern has been a mess-- up for the day at midnight 2 nights ago, up at 2 three nights ago and so on..( not that we get much sleep around here anyway).... finally yesterday it passed and wasnt really what I would have expected- it seemed fine, not too hard or dark, just more formed ( i guess). now today we are here all over again. I am not sure what is causing this, nor am I sure how to ease this for him. I appreciate any insight or suggestions....this is what he is eating: a pudding like compilation of mashed baked squash, eggs, avacado, apple sauce, ( baked). I will add ripe frozen banana on occasion. he also gets 1/4 cup of goats milk yogurt dispursed through out the day, mixed in with the " pudding " ( i add the yogurt just before I serve it) this is the newest food item, introduced a month ago. he also drinks watered down apple cider or white grape juice. my second question is re a possible reaction to peanuts and/or almond flour... my son is very picky about textures, hence the " pudding " . i have been trying to introduce a new texture so i have experimented with peanut butter cookies ( btvc recipe) he finally ate a few very small cookies. the things i noticed are strange behaviours: goes to his room and cries, jumps on his bed and slams the door. he pushes everyone out and continues on for a while...then it subsides. i waited a few weeks and made the cookies again and limited to 1 or 2 a day and same behaviour resumed, be it a little milder. obviously it IS the cookies, but peanutbutter ( which before scd he ate daily with no trouble) or almond flour?? if so what else can i try? he has been eating this pudding since we started in january, i change ingredients here and there but he needs to move forward. thank you in advance for any suggestions or insight. karla, mom to jake (3 1/2 yrs) ASD, S.D , 5+ months scd _________________________________________________________________ Take charge with a pop-up guard built on patented Microsoft® SmartScreen Technology. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=http://\ hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN® Premium right now and get the first two months FREE*. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2005 Report Share Posted June 2, 2005 Karla, My kids sleep fell apart on the goat yogurt. I didn't make the connection until our DAN practitioner/SCD expert Pam Ferro suggested we remove the yogurt to see if that helped. Voila, within 24 hrs our kids were sleeping again. We used the Meyenburg milk. When I try again in the future, Pam suggests trying a trusted source of raw goat's milk. For now, we are doing Kirkmnan's SCD legal acidophilus/lactobacillus capsules for a probiotic w/no problems. We never had problems behaviorally w/nut products but my kids can't tolerate any almond or peanut products - it causes them nighttime asthma symptoms big time. We also haven't had any luck w/any nut flours, however, my boys do beautifully on cashew and macadamia nut butters. They digest them fully and don't get any asthma like symptoms. Do you see the flour in your son's BM? If you do, then it might be a problem for him. Hope this helps. Good luck! Dana, mom of Liam and Owen, ASD, SCD few months > Hi, Everyone, I need your help again. > my 3 1/2 yr old has been acting like he is having a very difficult time > passing his b.m's for the last 3 days. he is bending over on chairs or lying > on his back with his legs up for as much of the day as possible. he has been > very rigid in his behaviour and a bit tantrumy, along with less compliance. > he seems to be trying to pass it on and off all day with no success. his > sleep pattern has been a mess-- up for the day at midnight 2 nights ago, up > at 2 three nights ago and so on..( not that we get much sleep around here > anyway).... finally yesterday it passed and wasnt really what I would have > expected- it seemed fine, not too hard or dark, just more formed ( i > guess). > now today we are here all over again. I am not sure what is causing this, > nor am I sure how to ease this for him. I appreciate any insight or > suggestions....this is what he is eating: > a pudding like compilation of mashed baked squash, eggs, avacado, apple > sauce, ( baked). I will add ripe frozen banana on occasion. he also gets 1/4 > cup of goats milk yogurt dispursed through out the day, mixed in with the > " pudding " ( i add the yogurt just before I serve it) > this is the newest food item, introduced a month ago. he also drinks watered > down apple cider or white grape juice. > > my second question is re a possible reaction to peanuts and/or almond > flour... my son is very picky about textures, hence the " pudding " . i have > been trying to introduce a new texture so i have experimented with peanut > butter cookies ( btvc recipe) he finally ate a few very small cookies. the > things i noticed are strange behaviours: goes to his room and cries, jumps > on his bed and slams the door. he pushes everyone out and continues on for a > while...then it subsides. i waited a few weeks and made the cookies again > and limited to 1 or 2 a day and same behaviour resumed, be it a little > milder. obviously it IS the cookies, but peanutbutter ( which before scd he > ate daily with no trouble) or almond flour?? if so what else can i try? he > has been eating this pudding since we started in january, i change > ingredients here and there but he needs to move forward. > > thank you in advance for any suggestions or insight. > karla, mom to jake (3 1/2 yrs) ASD, S.D , 5+ months scd > > _________________________________________________________________ > Take charge with a pop-up guard built on patented Microsoft® SmartScreen > Technology. > http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en- ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=http://hotmail.com/enca&HL=Ma rket_MSNIS_Taglines > Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN® Premium right now and get the > first two months FREE*. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2005 Report Share Posted June 3, 2005 Dana, Thanks for your reply. I had never thought about the yogurt, I will look in to that for the sleep problem. I also read your other reply about bananas and the chaos they caused your family and noticed some similarities at my house. today I didn't add them and I noticed a bit of a difference, as well I noticed he likes them alot more than I realized..hmmm.. Karla, mom to Jake 3 1/2 yr. a.s.d., s.d. , scd 5+ months > >Karla, > >My kids sleep fell apart on the goat yogurt. I didn't make the >connection until our DAN practitioner/SCD expert Pam Ferro suggested >we remove the yogurt to see if that helped. Voila, within 24 hrs >our kids were sleeping again. We used the Meyenburg milk. When I >try again in the future, Pam suggests trying a trusted source of raw >goat's milk. For now, we are doing Kirkmnan's SCD legal >acidophilus/lactobacillus capsules for a probiotic w/no problems. > >We never had problems behaviorally w/nut products but my kids can't >tolerate any almond or peanut products - it causes them nighttime >asthma symptoms big time. We also haven't had any luck w/any nut >flours, however, my boys do beautifully on cashew and macadamia nut >butters. They digest them fully and don't get any asthma like >symptoms. Do you see the flour in your son's BM? If you do, then >it might be a problem for him. > >Hope this helps. Good luck! > >Dana, mom of Liam and Owen, ASD, SCD few months > > > > > >> > _________________________________________________________________ > > Take charge with a pop-up guard built on patented Microsoft® >SmartScreen > > Technology. > > http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en- >ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=http://hotmail.com/enca&HL=Ma >rket_MSNIS_Taglines > > Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN® Premium right now and >get the > > first two months FREE*. > > > _________________________________________________________________ Powerful Parental Controls Let your child discover the best the Internet has to offer. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=http://\ hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN® Premium right now and get the first two months FREE*. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 4, 2005 Report Share Posted June 4, 2005 When we first started the diet we also had the same problem. This is what we did: whether or not the puritans believe in the juice at such an early stage it worked (and my son is moving forward in benefits from the diet). My son's constipation was due to 1. Grains 2. Dairy. Is your child eating Dairy? I suppose nuts could be a trigger but it could be lots of things of which nuts are just one of the triggers. My son has been tested as positive to nuts being an irritant (as opposed to full blown major allergy symptoms). We is now going even though nuts are still in on the menu (we will eventually have this nut allergy treated us AAE). Try adding a couple of tablespoons of olive oil to your favourite yoghurt smoothie. When I started to forget to make the drink and was more concerned about making sure the kids got their veggies we started the below juicing - which also achieved the same outcome. Juice equal parts carrot/beetroot/celery with capsicum / bok choy sometimes added. Both of these methods have worked.. He now goes regularly on the diet and does not need to take anything to help him go. 2 questions- constipation ? / nut reation? > Hi, Everyone, I need your help again. > my 3 1/2 yr old has been acting like he is having a very difficult time > passing his b.m's for the last 3 days. he is bending over on chairs or lying > on his back with his legs up for as much of the day as possible. he has been > very rigid in his behaviour and a bit tantrumy, along with less compliance. > he seems to be trying to pass it on and off all day with no success. his > sleep pattern has been a mess-- up for the day at midnight 2 nights ago, up > at 2 three nights ago and so on..( not that we get much sleep around here > anyway).... finally yesterday it passed and wasnt really what I would have > expected- it seemed fine, not too hard or dark, just more formed ( i > guess). > now today we are here all over again. I am not sure what is causing this, > nor am I sure how to ease this for him. I appreciate any insight or > suggestions....this is what he is eating: > a pudding like compilation of mashed baked squash, eggs, avacado, apple > sauce, ( baked). I will add ripe frozen banana on occasion. he also gets 1/4 > cup of goats milk yogurt dispursed through out the day, mixed in with the > " pudding " ( i add the yogurt just before I serve it) > this is the newest food item, introduced a month ago. he also drinks watered > down apple cider or white grape juice. > > my second question is re a possible reaction to peanuts and/or almond > flour... my son is very picky about textures, hence the " pudding " . i have > been trying to introduce a new texture so i have experimented with peanut > butter cookies ( btvc recipe) he finally ate a few very small cookies. the > things i noticed are strange behaviours: goes to his room and cries, jumps > on his bed and slams the door. he pushes everyone out and continues on for a > while...then it subsides. i waited a few weeks and made the cookies again > and limited to 1 or 2 a day and same behaviour resumed, be it a little > milder. obviously it IS the cookies, but peanutbutter ( which before scd he > ate daily with no trouble) or almond flour?? if so what else can i try? he > has been eating this pudding since we started in january, i change > ingredients here and there but he needs to move forward. > > thank you in advance for any suggestions or insight. > karla, mom to jake (3 1/2 yrs) ASD, S.D , 5+ months scd > > _________________________________________________________________ > Take charge with a pop-up guard built on patented Microsoft® SmartScreen > Technology. > http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=htt p://hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines > Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN® Premium right now and get the > first two months FREE*. > > > > > For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book _Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following websites: > http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info > and > http://www.pecanbread.com > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 4, 2005 Report Share Posted June 4, 2005 Oh, and if your son is on Dairy. Try dropping the dairy. I didnt make my earlier posting very clear. We dropped grains and dairy, as well as did the smoothie, juicing routine. I also heard from a doctor that one of the most common causes of constipation (and eczema) is a dairy allergy. Good Luck 2 questions- constipation ? / nut reation? > > > > Hi, Everyone, I need your help again. > > my 3 1/2 yr old has been acting like he is having a very difficult time > > passing his b.m's for the last 3 days. he is bending over on chairs or > lying > > on his back with his legs up for as much of the day as possible. he has > been > > very rigid in his behaviour and a bit tantrumy, along with less > compliance. > > he seems to be trying to pass it on and off all day with no success. his > > sleep pattern has been a mess-- up for the day at midnight 2 nights ago, > up > > at 2 three nights ago and so on..( not that we get much sleep around here > > anyway).... finally yesterday it passed and wasnt really what I would have > > expected- it seemed fine, not too hard or dark, just more formed ( i > > guess). > > now today we are here all over again. I am not sure what is causing this, > > nor am I sure how to ease this for him. I appreciate any insight or > > suggestions....this is what he is eating: > > a pudding like compilation of mashed baked squash, eggs, avacado, apple > > sauce, ( baked). I will add ripe frozen banana on occasion. he also gets > 1/4 > > cup of goats milk yogurt dispursed through out the day, mixed in with the > > " pudding " ( i add the yogurt just before I serve it) > > this is the newest food item, introduced a month ago. he also drinks > watered > > down apple cider or white grape juice. > > > > my second question is re a possible reaction to peanuts and/or almond > > flour... my son is very picky about textures, hence the " pudding " . i have > > been trying to introduce a new texture so i have experimented with peanut > > butter cookies ( btvc recipe) he finally ate a few very small cookies. the > > things i noticed are strange behaviours: goes to his room and cries, jumps > > on his bed and slams the door. he pushes everyone out and continues on for > a > > while...then it subsides. i waited a few weeks and made the cookies again > > and limited to 1 or 2 a day and same behaviour resumed, be it a little > > milder. obviously it IS the cookies, but peanutbutter ( which before scd > he > > ate daily with no trouble) or almond flour?? if so what else can i try? he > > has been eating this pudding since we started in january, i change > > ingredients here and there but he needs to move forward. > > > > thank you in advance for any suggestions or insight. > > karla, mom to jake (3 1/2 yrs) ASD, S.D , 5+ months scd > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Take charge with a pop-up guard built on patented Microsoft® SmartScreen > > Technology. > > > http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=htt > p://hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines > > Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN® Premium right now and get the > > first two months FREE*. > > > > > > > > > > For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book > _Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following > websites: > > http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info > > and > > http://www.pecanbread.com > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 4, 2005 Report Share Posted June 4, 2005 Hi Karla, > suggestions....this is what he is eating: > a pudding like compilation of mashed baked squash, eggs, avacado, apple > sauce, ( baked). I will add ripe frozen banana on occasion. he also gets 1/4 > cup of goats milk yogurt dispursed through out the day, mixed in with the > " pudding " ( i add the yogurt just before I serve it) > this is the newest food item, introduced a month ago. he also drinks watered > down apple cider or white grape juice. Possible ideas: Has he had this constipation for the whole month since introducing the yogurt? Some have reported doing well with the diet and the yogurt and then somewhat suddenly go through miniregressions. If they go back to a more basic diet for a few days that usually settles things down. Did you recently increase the yogurt suddenly. If yes, it may just be too much too soon. You can either reduce the amount or cut out for a while to see if it helps. > my second question is re a possible reaction to peanuts and/or almond > flour... my son is very picky about textures, hence the " pudding " . i have > been trying to introduce a new texture so i have experimented with peanut > butter cookies ( btvc recipe) he finally ate a few very small cookies. the > things i noticed are strange behaviours: goes to his room and cries, jumps > on his bed and slams the door. he pushes everyone out and continues on for a > while...then it subsides. i waited a few weeks and made the cookies again > and limited to 1 or 2 a day and same behaviour resumed, be it a little > milder. obviously it IS the cookies, but peanutbutter ( which before scd he > ate daily with no trouble) or almond flour?? if so what else can i try? he > has been eating this pudding since we started in january, i change > ingredients here and there but he needs to move forward. Once you get him stabilized you could try introducing each of these separately. That should help determine which of these are giving him trouble. You could try adding a little of each, seperately, to the pudding and see if he reacts. Keeping a food log really helps pinpoint problem areas. Sheila, SCD 52 mos, 21 yrs UC mom of , SCD 37 mos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2005 Report Share Posted June 5, 2005 Thank you for your reply, Sheila, I do keep a food log, but it has slid a bit lately. The constipation has always been a problem, but since the diet it has been MUCH better. It didn't resume until last week- not when we started the yogurt. I have not increased the amount, BUT I have changed the way I give it- I used to bake it into the pudding knowing full well he would not get the benifits of it, but for his texture issues. I realized 2 weeks ago I could add it after I baked and cooled the pudding. This change has resulted in giving less but more powerful yogurt. I considered that it may be die off, but I am new at this diet intervention and am starting to doubt myself and if I am interpreting the signs correctly. I have cut the amount of yogurt back buy 1/2 and removed the bananas. I cant say if there is much improvement in behavour, but his sleep has improved SLIGHTLY. I also noticed a return of rough skin on thighs and arms...? I will try your suggestion of adding the nut products one at a time eventually. thank you again, karla, mom to jake, scd 5+ months >>Some have reported doing well with the diet and the yogurt and then >somewhat suddenly go through miniregressions. If they go back to a >more basic diet for a few days that usually settles things down. > > >Did you recently increase the yogurt suddenly. If yes, it may just >be too much too soon. You can either reduce the amount or cut out >for a while to see if it helps. > > > >> >Once you get him stabilized you could try introducing each of these >separately. That should help determine which of these are giving >him trouble. You could try adding a little of each, seperately, to >the pudding and see if he reacts. > >Keeping a food log really helps pinpoint problem areas. > >Sheila, SCD 52 mos, 21 yrs UC > mom of , SCD 37 mos > > > > _________________________________________________________________ Take charge with a pop-up guard built on patented Microsoft® SmartScreen Technology. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=http://\ hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN® Premium right now and get the first two months FREE*. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2005 Report Share Posted June 6, 2005 Hi Karla, > BUT I have changed the way I give it- I used to bake it into the > pudding knowing full well he would not get the benifits of it, but for his > texture issues. I realized 2 weeks ago I could add it after I baked and > cooled the pudding. This change has resulted in giving less but more > powerful yogurt. > > I considered that it may be die off, Most likely it is die off. Since all the bacteria in the yogurt were killed before when you baked it, not baking it, does give a huge jump in the numbers of good bacteria. You could reduce the amount of live yogurt way down a quarter of the amount or less to see if that helps. You could add some also that is baked with the rest of the pudding - just don't count that amount for any probiotic effect. > I have cut the amount of yogurt back buy 1/2 and removed the bananas. I cant > say if there is much improvement in behavour, but his sleep has improved > SLIGHTLY. I also noticed a return of rough skin on thighs and arms...? This is also another possible sign of die off. It sounds as if he is going through a lot at once. Cutting back on the yogurt further should help and so might epsom salt baths ...if you aren't already doing them. Sheila, SCD 52 mos, 21 yrs UC mom of , SCD 37 mos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2005 Report Share Posted June 6, 2005 Thanks Sheila, I think you are right, I forgot to mention I did give him some active yogurt ( a spoon here and there where I could- maybe a spoon/'day) before these changes occurred, but I didn't count on such a reaction when I added more. We do the epsom salts at bath time, he really enjoys it- but I do have a strange question.. his 2.5 y.o brother often cries " owie " when he gets into the tub with the salts. Do you have any idea why he would be sensitive?? I add about 1/3 cup and disolve completely before they get in. Karla, mom to Jake a.s.d s.d, scd 5+ months >Hi Karla, > > > >>Most likely it is die off. Since all the bacteria in the yogurt were >killed before when you baked it, not baking it, does give a huge jump >in the numbers of good bacteria. You could reduce the amount of live >yogurt way down a quarter of the amount or less to see if that >helps. You could add some also that is baked with the rest of the >pudding - just don't count that amount for any probiotic effect. > > > >> >This is also another possible sign of die off. It sounds as if he is >going through a lot at once. Cutting back on the yogurt further >should help and so might epsom salt baths ...if you aren't already >doing them. > >Sheila, SCD 52 mos, 21 yrs UC > mom of , SCD 37 mos > > > _________________________________________________________________ Powerful Parental Controls Let your child discover the best the Internet has to offer. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=http://\ hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN® Premium right now and get the first two months FREE*. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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