Guest guest Posted November 5, 2004 Report Share Posted November 5, 2004 The amount of water is important because it will determine the volume of formula. To arrive at a total volume, you would add your cc of water plus your gm of Ketocal. This results in one calorie per cc of formula. Hannah was on 526 calories a day (all ketocal) her recipe was 450cc H2O and 73g powder. keto cal question I am needing 225 calories of the ketocal - I know it already the 4:1 ratio - so why when I put the food values in my meal worksheet I can get the calories right at about 31g of powder and the fat is on (pretty close)... but the carb and protein are off. My dietician and the keocal company could also not answer? Also is the amount of water critical? My dietican said I could use more water if I wanted to is this true? we are at 4:1 222.25 cal 3.4 g prot 22.2 g fat and 2.1 g cho Is just the calories important? Rookie mommy to Zaki (17 months 11 days on the diet) seizures went down to 3 now back up in the 50's) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2004 Report Share Posted November 5, 2004 The amount of water is important because it will determine the volume of formula. To arrive at a total volume, you would add your cc of water plus your gm of Ketocal. This results in one calorie per cc of formula. Hannah was on 526 calories a day (all ketocal) her recipe was 450cc H2O and 73g powder. keto cal question I am needing 225 calories of the ketocal - I know it already the 4:1 ratio - so why when I put the food values in my meal worksheet I can get the calories right at about 31g of powder and the fat is on (pretty close)... but the carb and protein are off. My dietician and the keocal company could also not answer? Also is the amount of water critical? My dietican said I could use more water if I wanted to is this true? we are at 4:1 222.25 cal 3.4 g prot 22.2 g fat and 2.1 g cho Is just the calories important? Rookie mommy to Zaki (17 months 11 days on the diet) seizures went down to 3 now back up in the 50's) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2004 Report Share Posted November 5, 2004 The amount of water is important because it will determine the volume of formula. To arrive at a total volume, you would add your cc of water plus your gm of Ketocal. This results in one calorie per cc of formula. Hannah was on 526 calories a day (all ketocal) her recipe was 450cc H2O and 73g powder. keto cal question I am needing 225 calories of the ketocal - I know it already the 4:1 ratio - so why when I put the food values in my meal worksheet I can get the calories right at about 31g of powder and the fat is on (pretty close)... but the carb and protein are off. My dietician and the keocal company could also not answer? Also is the amount of water critical? My dietican said I could use more water if I wanted to is this true? we are at 4:1 222.25 cal 3.4 g prot 22.2 g fat and 2.1 g cho Is just the calories important? Rookie mommy to Zaki (17 months 11 days on the diet) seizures went down to 3 now back up in the 50's) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2004 Report Share Posted November 5, 2004 I have never used ketocal. I prefer to use my own non-processed food, plus my daughter is 28 years old! The amount of protein in the diet varies with the age of the child. Younger ones get 1.5 gm/kg of weight. Older ones get 1.0 gm/kg of weight. This plus the number of meals and the calorie allotment will dictate the amount of protein and carb. I imagine that the ketocal is an average which perhaps satifies no one. How old is your child? What is the amount of fat, protein and carb in the ketocal? You will have to modify it to get the correct values for your child. The amount of water can be increased within reason. Too much water at once can dilute the ketones. It shouldn't be an issue with a meal. It is more important between meals. HEATHER JACKSON wrote: > I am needing 225 calories of the ketocal - I know it already the 4:1 > ratio - so why when I put the food values in my meal worksheet I can > get the calories right at about 31g of powder and the fat is on > (pretty close)... but the carb and protein are off. My dietician and > the keocal company could also not answer? Also is the amount of water > critical? My dietican said I could use more water if I wanted to is > this true? we are at 4:1 222.25 cal 3.4 g prot 22.2 g fat and 2.1 g > cho Is just the calories important? Rookie mommy to Zaki (17 months > 11 days on the diet) seizures went down to 3 now back up in the 50's) > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2004 Report Share Posted November 5, 2004 I have never used ketocal. I prefer to use my own non-processed food, plus my daughter is 28 years old! The amount of protein in the diet varies with the age of the child. Younger ones get 1.5 gm/kg of weight. Older ones get 1.0 gm/kg of weight. This plus the number of meals and the calorie allotment will dictate the amount of protein and carb. I imagine that the ketocal is an average which perhaps satifies no one. How old is your child? What is the amount of fat, protein and carb in the ketocal? You will have to modify it to get the correct values for your child. The amount of water can be increased within reason. Too much water at once can dilute the ketones. It shouldn't be an issue with a meal. It is more important between meals. HEATHER JACKSON wrote: > I am needing 225 calories of the ketocal - I know it already the 4:1 > ratio - so why when I put the food values in my meal worksheet I can > get the calories right at about 31g of powder and the fat is on > (pretty close)... but the carb and protein are off. My dietician and > the keocal company could also not answer? Also is the amount of water > critical? My dietican said I could use more water if I wanted to is > this true? we are at 4:1 222.25 cal 3.4 g prot 22.2 g fat and 2.1 g > cho Is just the calories important? Rookie mommy to Zaki (17 months > 11 days on the diet) seizures went down to 3 now back up in the 50's) > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2004 Report Share Posted November 5, 2004 I have never used ketocal. I prefer to use my own non-processed food, plus my daughter is 28 years old! The amount of protein in the diet varies with the age of the child. Younger ones get 1.5 gm/kg of weight. Older ones get 1.0 gm/kg of weight. This plus the number of meals and the calorie allotment will dictate the amount of protein and carb. I imagine that the ketocal is an average which perhaps satifies no one. How old is your child? What is the amount of fat, protein and carb in the ketocal? You will have to modify it to get the correct values for your child. The amount of water can be increased within reason. Too much water at once can dilute the ketones. It shouldn't be an issue with a meal. It is more important between meals. HEATHER JACKSON wrote: > I am needing 225 calories of the ketocal - I know it already the 4:1 > ratio - so why when I put the food values in my meal worksheet I can > get the calories right at about 31g of powder and the fat is on > (pretty close)... but the carb and protein are off. My dietician and > the keocal company could also not answer? Also is the amount of water > critical? My dietican said I could use more water if I wanted to is > this true? we are at 4:1 222.25 cal 3.4 g prot 22.2 g fat and 2.1 g > cho Is just the calories important? Rookie mommy to Zaki (17 months > 11 days on the diet) seizures went down to 3 now back up in the 50's) > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2004 Report Share Posted November 5, 2004 Ketocal per 100g powder = protein 15 carb 3 fat 72 Zaki is 17 months I use this only for the fourth meal at bedtime. Seems to sustain him better than 2 tablespoons of food - and he is used to still taking a bottle at night a comfort I do not see taking away from him too soon - he has so little these days! Re: keto cal question I have never used ketocal. I prefer to use my own non-processed food, plus my daughter is 28 years old! The amount of protein in the diet varies with the age of the child. Younger ones get 1.5 gm/kg of weight. Older ones get 1.0 gm/kg of weight. This plus the number of meals and the calorie allotment will dictate the amount of protein and carb. I imagine that the ketocal is an average which perhaps satifies no one. How old is your child? What is the amount of fat, protein and carb in the ketocal? You will have to modify it to get the correct values for your child. The amount of water can be increased within reason. Too much water at once can dilute the ketones. It shouldn't be an issue with a meal. It is more important between meals. HEATHER JACKSON wrote: > I am needing 225 calories of the ketocal - I know it already the 4:1 > ratio - so why when I put the food values in my meal worksheet I can > get the calories right at about 31g of powder and the fat is on > (pretty close)... but the carb and protein are off. My dietician and > the keocal company could also not answer? Also is the amount of water > critical? My dietican said I could use more water if I wanted to is > this true? we are at 4:1 222.25 cal 3.4 g prot 22.2 g fat and 2.1 g > cho Is just the calories important? Rookie mommy to Zaki (17 months > 11 days on the diet) seizures went down to 3 now back up in the 50's) > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2004 Report Share Posted November 5, 2004 Ketocal per 100g powder = protein 15 carb 3 fat 72 Zaki is 17 months I use this only for the fourth meal at bedtime. Seems to sustain him better than 2 tablespoons of food - and he is used to still taking a bottle at night a comfort I do not see taking away from him too soon - he has so little these days! Re: keto cal question I have never used ketocal. I prefer to use my own non-processed food, plus my daughter is 28 years old! The amount of protein in the diet varies with the age of the child. Younger ones get 1.5 gm/kg of weight. Older ones get 1.0 gm/kg of weight. This plus the number of meals and the calorie allotment will dictate the amount of protein and carb. I imagine that the ketocal is an average which perhaps satifies no one. How old is your child? What is the amount of fat, protein and carb in the ketocal? You will have to modify it to get the correct values for your child. The amount of water can be increased within reason. Too much water at once can dilute the ketones. It shouldn't be an issue with a meal. It is more important between meals. HEATHER JACKSON wrote: > I am needing 225 calories of the ketocal - I know it already the 4:1 > ratio - so why when I put the food values in my meal worksheet I can > get the calories right at about 31g of powder and the fat is on > (pretty close)... but the carb and protein are off. My dietician and > the keocal company could also not answer? Also is the amount of water > critical? My dietican said I could use more water if I wanted to is > this true? we are at 4:1 222.25 cal 3.4 g prot 22.2 g fat and 2.1 g > cho Is just the calories important? Rookie mommy to Zaki (17 months > 11 days on the diet) seizures went down to 3 now back up in the 50's) > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2004 Report Share Posted November 5, 2004 Ketocal per 100g powder = protein 15 carb 3 fat 72 Zaki is 17 months I use this only for the fourth meal at bedtime. Seems to sustain him better than 2 tablespoons of food - and he is used to still taking a bottle at night a comfort I do not see taking away from him too soon - he has so little these days! Re: keto cal question I have never used ketocal. I prefer to use my own non-processed food, plus my daughter is 28 years old! The amount of protein in the diet varies with the age of the child. Younger ones get 1.5 gm/kg of weight. Older ones get 1.0 gm/kg of weight. This plus the number of meals and the calorie allotment will dictate the amount of protein and carb. I imagine that the ketocal is an average which perhaps satifies no one. How old is your child? What is the amount of fat, protein and carb in the ketocal? You will have to modify it to get the correct values for your child. The amount of water can be increased within reason. Too much water at once can dilute the ketones. It shouldn't be an issue with a meal. It is more important between meals. HEATHER JACKSON wrote: > I am needing 225 calories of the ketocal - I know it already the 4:1 > ratio - so why when I put the food values in my meal worksheet I can > get the calories right at about 31g of powder and the fat is on > (pretty close)... but the carb and protein are off. My dietician and > the keocal company could also not answer? Also is the amount of water > critical? My dietican said I could use more water if I wanted to is > this true? we are at 4:1 222.25 cal 3.4 g prot 22.2 g fat and 2.1 g > cho Is just the calories important? Rookie mommy to Zaki (17 months > 11 days on the diet) seizures went down to 3 now back up in the 50's) > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2004 Report Share Posted November 5, 2004 I will assume he weighs 10 kg. As an example, if he is on 75 calories per kg, that would be 750 calories per day. At 1.2 gm/kg of protein, that would be 12 gm of protein per day. Fat would be 75 gm per day and carb would be 6.75 gm per day. With the ketocal, it is slightly higher in protein and lower in carbohydrate. It works out to about 1.5 gm/kg of protein per day which is the amount usually given to a very young baby. For 225 calories of ketocal, you need 31.25 gm of powder. That gives 22.5 gm of fat, 4.69 gm of protein and 0.94 gm of carb. Your planner is likely giving something like 22.5 gm of fat, 3.6 gm of protein and 2.0 gm of carbs. (This is pretty close to the numbers in your first message.) This is why you can't easily compare ratios for young children. 4:1 for a baby under 1 year old is very different from 4:1 for a child of 2 years old. Now what? Find a dietician who can do math? Basically the difference is in the protein which for the ketocal is set at about 1.5 gm per kg of weight and for you is set at about 1.2 gm per kg of weight. If you want to match your prescription, you have to add carb (and probably oil) to the ketocal. Add do some more math. Bill HEATHER JACKSON wrote: > Ketocal per 100g powder = protein 15 carb 3 fat 72 Zaki is 17 months > I use this only for the fourth meal at bedtime. Seems to sustain him > better than 2 tablespoons of food - and he is used to still taking a > bottle at night a comfort I do not see taking away from him too soon > - he has so little these days! Re: keto cal > question > > > I have never used ketocal. I prefer to use my own non-processed food, > plus my daughter is 28 years old! > > The amount of protein in the diet varies with the age of the child. > Younger ones get 1.5 gm/kg of weight. Older ones get 1.0 gm/kg of > weight. This plus the number of meals and the calorie allotment will > dictate the amount of protein and carb. I imagine that the ketocal is > an average which perhaps satifies no one. How old is your child? What > is the amount of fat, protein and carb in the ketocal? You will have > to modify it to get the correct values for your child. > > The amount of water can be increased within reason. Too much water at > once can dilute the ketones. It shouldn't be an issue with a meal. > It is more important between meals. > > HEATHER JACKSON wrote: >> I am needing 225 calories of the ketocal - I know it already the >> 4:1 ratio - so why when I put the food values in my meal worksheet >> I can get the calories right at about 31g of powder and the fat is >> on (pretty close)... but the carb and protein are off. My >> dietician and the keocal company could also not answer? Also is the >> amount of water critical? My dietican said I could use more water >> if I wanted to is this true? we are at 4:1 222.25 cal 3.4 g prot >> 22.2 g fat and 2.1 g cho Is just the calories important? Rookie >> mommy to Zaki (17 months 11 days on the diet) seizures went down to >> 3 now back up in the 50's) >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2004 Report Share Posted November 5, 2004 Okay, here's the math. To get to your prescription of 1.2 gm of protein per kg of weight, you need 12 gm per day. The ratio of protein to carbohydrate has to be 1.8:1. You need 2.61 gm of carbohydrate or 1.67 more. This gives 4.69 gm of protein and 2.61 gm of carbohydrate. To maintain the 4:1 ratio, you have to add 6.7 gm of fat. Then the calories are increased to 292. To get back to the desired 225 calories, you need to multiply everything by 0.77. For the 225 calorie snack, you need 24.0 gm of ketocal powder, 5.16 gm of extra fat and 1.29 gm of extra carbohydrate. Does that work out on your worksheet? I might have made a mistake. Bill Bill Barber wrote: > I will assume he weighs 10 kg. As an example, if he is on 75 calories > per kg, that would be 750 calories per day. At 1.2 gm/kg of protein, > that would be 12 gm of protein per day. Fat would be 75 gm per day and > carb would be 6.75 gm per day. > > With the ketocal, it is slightly higher in protein and lower in > carbohydrate. It works out to about 1.5 gm/kg of protein per day which > is the amount usually given to a very young baby. > > For 225 calories of ketocal, you need 31.25 gm of powder. That gives > 22.5 gm of fat, 4.69 gm of protein and 0.94 gm of carb. Your planner is > likely giving something like 22.5 gm of fat, 3.6 gm of protein and 2.0 > gm of carbs. (This is pretty close to the numbers in your first message.) > > This is why you can't easily compare ratios for young children. 4:1 for > a baby under 1 year old is very different from 4:1 for a child of 2 > years old. > > Now what? Find a dietician who can do math? > > Basically the difference is in the protein which for the ketocal is set > at about 1.5 gm per kg of weight and for you is set at about 1.2 gm per > kg of weight. > > If you want to match your prescription, you have to add carb (and > probably oil) to the ketocal. Add do some more math. > > Bill > > > HEATHER JACKSON wrote: > > Ketocal per 100g powder = protein 15 carb 3 fat 72 Zaki is 17 months > > I use this only for the fourth meal at bedtime. Seems to sustain him > > better than 2 tablespoons of food - and he is used to still taking a > > bottle at night a comfort I do not see taking away from him too soon > > - he has so little these days! Re: keto cal > > question > > > > > > I have never used ketocal. I prefer to use my own non-processed food, > > plus my daughter is 28 years old! > > > > The amount of protein in the diet varies with the age of the child. > > Younger ones get 1.5 gm/kg of weight. Older ones get 1.0 gm/kg of > > weight. This plus the number of meals and the calorie allotment will > > dictate the amount of protein and carb. I imagine that the ketocal is > > an average which perhaps satifies no one. How old is your child? What > > is the amount of fat, protein and carb in the ketocal? You will have > > to modify it to get the correct values for your child. > > > > The amount of water can be increased within reason. Too much water at > > once can dilute the ketones. It shouldn't be an issue with a meal. > > It is more important between meals. > > > > HEATHER JACKSON wrote: > >> I am needing 225 calories of the ketocal - I know it already the > >> 4:1 ratio - so why when I put the food values in my meal worksheet > >> I can get the calories right at about 31g of powder and the fat is > >> on (pretty close)... but the carb and protein are off. My > >> dietician and the keocal company could also not answer? Also is the > >> amount of water critical? My dietican said I could use more water > >> if I wanted to is this true? we are at 4:1 222.25 cal 3.4 g prot > >> 22.2 g fat and 2.1 g cho Is just the calories important? Rookie > >> mommy to Zaki (17 months 11 days on the diet) seizures went down to > >> 3 now back up in the 50's) > >> > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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