Re: normal glucose levels/Ph??

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michelle paulson wrote:

> Also, I was reading something about PH and making sure

> there is a balance between acidity and alkalinity -

> that often keto kids are too alkaline? Especially

> before bedtime and that's sometimes what causes night

> time seizures (which is what we have).

Keto kids tend to be more acidic than alkaline. The ketones are acid

bodies and make their bloodwork more acidic. Some people have tried

using more alkaline foods to try to counter some of the acidity but I am

not sure how well that really works. Lowering or raising ratio would be

best way to affect acidity......the higher the ratio, the more acidic

they will likely be.

Unless you have seen issues with acidity with , I wouldn't worry

too much about that issue at the moment

, 's mom

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Hill wrote:

> Okay, I failed miserably again - can't post those keto diet glucose

> levels in the files, having no joy in creating a new file at ALL

> Could someone else have a go, (maybe just use those emails from

> earlier on today as the content?) would you let me know as I have

> another paper in rich text format that I could email direct to

> whoever, to be included in the file as well. It is a research paper on

> the role of low glucose levels in seizure control,

Could you email that last paper to me direct? I can't put it in the

files sections for you (am only computer literate when things work as I

have been shown) but would like to see it

Thanks

, 's mom

mmc@...

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I'll send a couple of posts thru in a min that I have , with suggested

glucose levels for keto kids. You are right, info is few and far between, and I

feel bad for not posting this stuff I have in the files section before now - I

was intending to ages ago, and something happened, as it does.....and I

completely forgot. I am also not the best with the techno stuff, so I am not

that sure I will succeed, but will give it a go.

The 49 figure sounds a bit on the low side, but the 63 is probably in the

right range.

Fluctuations do def occur, depending on when in relation to a meal that you

test. BS levels will rise upwards from eating for about 90 mins or so - but this

also depends on what type of foods were eaten - like where those foods are on

the glycemic index. Carrots for instance turn to sugar very quickly, and would

see a surge upwards more rapidly than the more complex carbs, which increase

glucose at a slower more steady level.

One off glucose/bhb checks unfortunately probably won't tell you everything

you need to know, we had to do many in the course of a day over a few days

before we had a def pattern established.

That .4 bhb sounds like a worry - did you test twice to make sure it was an

accurate reading? As much as I prefer blood ketone monitoring to urine, the

accuracy of the kit always leaves me suspicious when I see very low or high ones

- so I usually do a 2nd, sometimes 3rd strip to make sure.

Also - testing soon after a seizure will probably show an inaccurate result -

v frustrating , as that is the time you want to know where the levels are. If he

has them at certain times, can you nip in before one is 'expected' and test

then? Otherwise stress response to the seizure can raise glucose and lower

ketones. Alternatively -if a particularly convulsive one, and a lot of energy is

expended, ketones can go up from the body fat burnt as a result. I know - enough

to drive you loopy....

Re the new foods introduced, I have never found a def reaction time if there

is an adverse reaction. Poor old had the same meal day after day for

months and months while I was trying to figure his remaining seizures out. And

this past few months has seen us able to introduce a lot of new foods without

seeing any nasties, so I'm prob not the best one to answer that question.

Will send those glucose posts thru in a min,

----- Original Message -----

From: michelle paulson

OK - dumb question here - but 3 nights ago, I decided

to kick it into gear and check blood ketones AND blood

glucose levels in the morning and at night in hopes of

determining if these early morning seizures (4-6am)

are a result of barometric pressure changes or low

ketones. (NEVER thought of glucose being a

possibility until AFTER reading a recent posting from

) DUH! Up til now, I've been thinking it's

weather conditions but a few days ago, I checked blood

ketones following an early morning seizure and it

registered .4. Lowest ever that I've checked (which

isn't many). Now, there was also a temp. drop and

rain from the day before but surely weather wouldn't

actually lower ketones??? Anyway, MY QUESTION:

can't find normal ranges ANYWHERE for kids on keto

diet for glucose readings. I've spent way too long

trying to find these ranges - maybe I'm just too

pooped to think clearly. Dunno. At any rate, we've

been getting anywhere from 49 to 63. Is it normal to

fluctuate and is there anything to watch out for?

Also, I was reading something about PH and making sure

there is a balance between acidity and alkalinity -

that often keto kids are too alkaline? Especially

before bedtime and that's sometimes what causes night

time seizures (which is what we have). I only raise

this question b/c to be honest, since I believe

is so sensitive to certain foods, I've really only

been giving him chicken, cauliflower, green beans,

mushrooms (tons), green pepper, brazil nuts,oils, and

almond butter. I know I need to introduce more foods

but it seems that everytime I do, he has seizures.

Coincidence, I'm sure but scared to make changes for

fear of those darned myoclonic jerks coming back. I

read that you need to give more acidic foods (fish,

nuts, fruits) to counter the alkaline foods. What do

you all think?

Also, as an after thought, I posed the question a few

days ago about a normal time frame for seizure

activity to occur after introducing new foods if the

new foods are a seizure trigger. has had

increased seizure activity anywhere from 12 to 24

hours following intro. to new foods. Is this common

or should the seizure activity take place say 2-4

hours after intro.? Just trying to see if food really

is to blame or other variables entering the playing

field (i.e. weather, ph, glucose, etc.).

As always, trying to figure things out. THANKS!

(mom to - 2.5 yrs. old - ketokid since

6/03 - med free since 3/27/04 - working on kicking

those night time seizures!

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Okay, I failed miserably again - can't post those keto diet glucose levels in

the files, having no joy in creating a new file at ALL

Could someone else have a go, (maybe just use those emails from earlier on

today as the content?) would you let me know as I have another paper in rich

text format that I could email direct to whoever, to be included in the file as

well. It is a research paper on the role of low glucose levels in seizure

control,

Thanx

----- Original Message -----

From: Hill

To: ketogenic

I'll send a couple of posts thru in a min that I have , with

suggested glucose levels for keto kids. You are right, info is few and far

between, and I feel bad for not posting this stuff I have in the files section

before now - I was intending to ages ago, and something happened, as it

does.....and I completely forgot. I am also not the best with the techno stuff,

so I am not that sure I will succeed, but will give it a go.

[Guest guest]

I'll send it thru to your addy in a sec , but I am sure you have

already got it - I sent it to you about a yr ago I think? Let me know if it is

the same one,

----- Original Message -----

From: mmc@...

Hill wrote:

> Okay, I failed miserably again - can't post those keto diet glucose

> levels in the files, having no joy in creating a new file at ALL

> Could someone else have a go, (maybe just use those emails from

> earlier on today as the content?) would you let me know as I have

> another paper in rich text format that I could email direct to

> whoever, to be included in the file as well. It is a research paper on

> the role of low glucose levels in seizure control,

Could you email that last paper to me direct? I can't put it in the

files sections for you (am only computer literate when things work as I

have been shown) but would like to see it

Thanks

, 's mom

mmc@...