Flushing more intense

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Previously I have not had much redness with my rosacea and very little flushing.

However, in the past two months I am flushing every day and some of the color is

beginning to stay. What happens is strange. I have Reynaud's Syndrome so my

hands and feet are usually cold but suddenly I'll begin to feel cold all over,

shivering cold. Then I can feel my face beginning to heat up. This lasts

anywhere from a few minutes to 1-2 hours. It generally happens in the mid to

late

afternoon. Sometimes it is associated with anxiety or stressful situations but

often it comes on when I am relaxed.

Has anyone experienced similar flushing episodes? If so, how did you deal with

it? And does anyone have suggestions? I am going out of town this Thursday and

will be attending several social events which I am now beginning to dread. I

have

been taking a low dose aspirin in the mid afternoon but this has not helped.

Thanks for any advice,

a

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a, you are describing your present symptoms and they are very much like

mine. Unfortunately I could find nothing that worked except the v-beam

treatments, which I know are not working for you. I did come to realize

that the time I flared (anywhere between 3 and 6 PM) is my 'down time " . My

body just gets tired then. My derm told me a lot of patients tell her that

they flare the same time each day. I seemed not to flare as much on the

weekend because I could rest - a quick 10 minute rest - during the day.

Actually that helped a little.

Flushing more intense

>Previously I have not had much redness with my rosacea and very little

flushing.

>However, in the past two months I am flushing every day and some of the

color is

>beginning to stay. What happens is strange. I have Reynaud's Syndrome so

my

>hands and feet are usually cold but suddenly I'll begin to feel cold all

over,

>shivering cold. Then I can feel my face beginning to heat up. This lasts

>anywhere from a few minutes to 1-2 hours. It generally happens in the mid

to late

>afternoon. Sometimes it is associated with anxiety or stressful situations

but

>often it comes on when I am relaxed.

>

>Has anyone experienced similar flushing episodes? If so, how did you deal

with

>it? And does anyone have suggestions? I am going out of town this

Thursday and

>will be attending several social events which I am now beginning to dread.

I have

>been taking a low dose aspirin in the mid afternoon but this has not

helped.

>

>Thanks for any advice,

>a

>

>

>

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a,

i share your pain.

I have the house at 65 degrees to prevent getting warm and therefore

flushing! I am either freezing or hot. I can also be both. My face can

be on fire while my fingers are frozen. i have been tested for thyroid

and lupus. Both negative. I get hot more in the afternoon, therfore

RED. I can't walk the dog until atleast 7:00 p.m. after work. I live

in Florida. At work, my office gets to about 74 degrees. This sounds

cool, but not for me. My face stays warm, in turn burns and is red,

most of the day. That is stressful too. I have begged my boss to make

it cooler. He can not make it any cooler..everyone else is freezing.

So this has become a problem for me too! This has to be something

associated with rosacea. I do not know what is causing what. The heat

causing redness or the redness/burning making me hot! Stressful. Good

luck. I just had to relate to you on this one.

> Previously I have not had much redness with my rosacea and very

little flushing.

> However, in the past two months I am flushing every day and some of

the color is

> beginning to stay. What happens is strange. I have Reynaud's

Syndrome so my

> hands and feet are usually cold but suddenly I'll begin to feel cold

all over,

> shivering cold. Then I can feel my face beginning to heat up. This

lasts

> anywhere from a few minutes to 1-2 hours. It generally happens in

the mid to late

> afternoon. Sometimes it is associated with anxiety or stressful

situations but

> often it comes on when I am relaxed.

>

> Has anyone experienced similar flushing episodes? If so, how did

you deal with

> it? And does anyone have suggestions? I am going out of town this

Thursday and

> will be attending several social events which I am now beginning to

dread. I have

> been taking a low dose aspirin in the mid afternoon but this has not

helped.

>

> Thanks for any advice,

> a

[Guest guest]

I do not get cold prior to flushes. The cold hands and feet, are pretty

typical with me. I was always a cold person. I never got hot before

menopause. Now I feel like I have a body thermometer problem.

Once I get into an environment that is hot, it seems as though my nose, and

lips and

sometimes face are way ahead of the rest of my body with heating up. At

night I am cold when I go to bed. I put on the electric blanket before I

get into bed, but have to put socks on anyway. About 1/2 to one hour later,

I have to take the socks off because my feet are getting hot. During the

night I always wake up and have to stick my legs and feet out from under the

blanket because I am so hot. Then I get cold again.

I have noticed that if my office is cold, I ALWAYS have a flare at my usual

time (it is not nearly as bad post V-beam as they used to be). If my office

is normal, now since V-beam, I do not have the flare.

In the past, when I got flares in the car, I used to point the vents right

at my face to cool me off. It didn't work. It seems to contribute to dry

eyes, that is all. After about one year of that, I realized that if I got

my body cold by pointing the vents at my arms and chest, my face would cool

down to normal while the rest of me was cold. I must get my arms quite cold

to cool my face down. This is the way it is now. My face seems to be

degrees warmer than my body.

V-beam is helping a lot with the degree with which my NOSE flares, and with

the number of flares I get. It does not change any of the rest of the

hot-cold thing. I

really feel it all had something to do with menopause - I think that caused

changes in my body that seem to be here to stay.

>

>To: mlramsey@... mlramsey@...>

>Date: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 9:35 PM

>Subject: Re: Flushing more intense

>

>

>>, do you still flush like this after the V-Beam treatments? And, did

>you get

>>cold before flushing? This is new for me and must signal a worsening of

>the

>>rosacea. I hope I'm not flushing the whole trip. This really is

>disheartening.

>>I was counting on some improvement with the V-Beam, not the reverse. Do

>you think

>>I should look into photoderm or wait a while and see if things settle down

>in the

>>next month or two?

>>

>>a

>>

>>

>> Flushing more intense

>>>

>>>

>>>>Previously I have not had much redness with my rosacea and very little

>>>flushing.

>>>>However, in the past two months I am flushing every day and some of the

>>>color is

>>>>beginning to stay. What happens is strange. I have Reynaud's Syndrome

>so

>>>my

>>>>hands and feet are usually cold but suddenly I'll begin to feel cold all

>>>over,

>>>>shivering cold. Then I can feel my face beginning to heat up. This

>lasts

>>>>anywhere from a few minutes to 1-2 hours. It generally happens in the

>mid

>>>to late

>>>>afternoon. Sometimes it is associated with anxiety or stressful

>situations

>>>but

>>>>often it comes on when I am relaxed.

>>>>

>>>>Has anyone experienced similar flushing episodes? If so, how did you

>deal

>>>with

>>>>it? And does anyone have suggestions? I am going out of town this

>>>Thursday and

>>>>will be attending several social events which I am now beginning to

>dread.

>>>I have

>>>>been taking a low dose aspirin in the mid afternoon but this has not

>>>helped.

>>>>

>>>>Thanks for any advice,

>>>>a

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

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[Guest guest]

Hi ,

You seem to be describing Raynaud's below, which I have in addition to rosacea.

I have always had the cold hands and cold feet (I probably also have always been

under a lot of stress!). But I know that some of the severity of the Raynaud's

is from pure continuous exposure to cold. I try to combat it with double socks,

multiple gloves, but this was a bad winter for me.

My rosacea had recently gotten worse with the onset of peri-menopause and

menopause, and I was having a lot of flushing. I was told to keep myself cool

(in addition to Metrogel, drinking cool liquids, etc. - I could not tolerate

continuous antibiotics), so I opened the windows in my school office and ended

up making my Raynaud's worse, leading to some carpal-tunnel problems! So I

commiserate with the descriptions of trying to keep the various body parts at

the right temperature.

But I have recently found a supplement that seems to work very well for both the

cea and the Raynaud's. This is L-tyrosine, which is an amino acid. I

narrowed it down when something that I was taking that had L-tyrosine in it

helped the rosacea, but another ingredient seemed to make the Raynaud's worse. I

figured out that a thyroid substance (in the supplement) was making the

Raynaud's worse. When I started taking L-tyrosine (500 mg/3 times a day) - both

the Raynaud's and the rosacea got better. It does also help mood, reaction to

stress, etc. but I am not sure that is what helps the skin, only. Also note that

L-tyrosine is important for melanin production, nerve functions, etc. I have

noted that a white spot (from an injury) on my knee has begun to acquire some

color after I started using it. I wonder if there is a relationship between weak

melanin production and rosacea? In relation to this, my father has vitiligo, but

I do not.

I am including a couple of descriptions of L-tyrosine. It may help other with

cea, Raynaud's or both - I am not sure about vitiligo, but it might. Kathy

S.

Here is a synopsis of the functions of L-tyrosine from " Prescription for

Natural Healing " by Balch and Balch:

" It is important to overall metabolism. It is a precursor to adrenaline and

the neurotransmitters norepinephrine and dopamine, which regulate mood and

stimulate metabolism and the nervous system. Tyrosine acts a mood elevator,

a lack of adequate amounts lead to a deficiency of norepinephrine in the brain,

which in turn can result in depression. It also acts as a mild antioxidant,

suppresses the appetite, and helps to reduce body fat. It aids in the

production of melanin (the pigment responsible for hair and skin color) and in

the functions of the adrenal, thyroid, and pituitary glands.

It has been used for stress reduction, and research suggests it may be

helpful against chronic fatigue and narcolepsy. It has been used to help

individuals with depression, low sex drive, allergies, and headaches, as

well as persons undergoing withdrawal from drugs.

Natural sources are almonds, avocados, bananas, dairy products, lima

beans, pumpkin seeds and sesame seeds. "

It is supposed to be taken with 50 mg of vitamin B6 to help absorption.

Here is some information, extracted from the Raynaud's Book (Part 2) on

proteins and amino acids:

" Many amino acids are required for the production of neurotransmitters (e.g.

pyroglutamate, tyrosine). Tyrosine is often used along with drugs in

treating Parkinson's disease because it helps replace the neurotransmitters

destroyed by the drugs. Stress causes destruction of neurotransmitters.

Severe cold, a form of stress to the body, induces memory loss because of

this destruction. The elderly are most suseceptible because of their reduced

ability to combat cold. Dr Shurtleff of the Naval Medical Research

Institute was very concerned with this phenomenon because the Navy's sailors

are often exposed to very cold weather in northern seas. A lack of mental

quickness had been observed in many young sailors, which could be dangerous.

Dr Shurtleff conducted two studies with the same group of sailors. First, he

measured their mental agility after a thirty minute exposure to 25 degrees

fahrenheit. After two days, he gave the men tyrosine and sent them out into

the cold again. Their mental agility and memory improved substantially after

taking the tyrosine. Dr Louis Banderet confirmed the value of tyrosine with

similar tests of Army personnel. Tyrosine significantly improved performance

impairments following a 4.5 hour exposure to cold and hypoxia. Tyrosine has

also been found to improve mood, stop dizziness, normalize blood pressure if

it is high, improves appetite, and combats depression. Both depression and

lack of brain energy may be factors in cold extremities.

Neurotransmitters, e.g. acetylcholine, norepinephrine, and serotonin, are

vital to nerve conductivity and nerve function. Acetylcholine supports brain

function, memory, and sexual activity; norepinephrine also affects sexual

and general energy levels, memory, and learning; and serotonin aids

relaxation and sleep. They are all produced and affected by dietary

nutrients, such as choline, pantothenic acid, and the amino acids tyrosine,

phenylalanine, and tryptophan. "

> wrote,

>It may be in your case related to menopause but I would not take it for

>granted. I have the same problem as you, particularly cold hands and I am a

>man ( unless not only do I have cea but menopause as well :) ). I am

>often cold as well. And all this begun with cea mainly. I was not like

>this before, at least I don't remember.

>I asked this question before, and nobody answered here ( I saw some posts

>though by searching in older ones ). So I asked my derm. She says it is

>definetly stress. When you get a little stressed, your body takes blood from

>everywhere and concentrates it in the center area of the chest arms and

>face. That is what she says. Stress is my FIRST BIGGEST trigger by far !

>However, it is a fact : cold hands, big flare ! I can sometimes know that I

>am red in my face simply because I am cold in my hands. Before I feel it in

>my face !

>Sometimes I wonder if the brain gets the wrong messages and sends all the

>blood to our face instead of other parts of the body.

>

[Guest guest]

It may be in your case related to menopause but I would not take it for

granted. I have the same problem as you, particularly cold hands and I am a

man ( unless not only do I have cea but menopause as well :) ). I am

often cold as well. And all this begun with cea mainly. I was not like

this before, at least I don't remember.

I asked this question before, and nobody answered here ( I saw some posts

though by searching in older ones ). So I asked my derm. She says it is

definetly stress. When you get a little stressed, your body takes blood from

everywhere and concentrates it in the center area of the chest arms and

face. That is what she says. Stress is my FIRST BIGGEST trigger by far !

However, it is a fact : cold hands, big flare ! I can sometimes know that I

am red in my face simply because I am cold in my hands. Before I feel it in

my face !

Sometimes I wonder if the brain gets the wrong messages and sends all the

blood to our face instead of other parts of the body.

Fw: Flushing more intense

> I do not get cold prior to flushes. The cold hands and feet, are pretty

> typical with me. I was always a cold person. I never got hot before

> menopause. Now I feel like I have a body thermometer problem.

>

> Once I get into an environment that is hot, it seems as though my nose,

and

> lips and

> sometimes face are way ahead of the rest of my body with heating up. At

> night I am cold when I go to bed. I put on the electric blanket before I

> get into bed, but have to put socks on anyway. About 1/2 to one hour

later,

> I have to take the socks off because my feet are getting hot. During the

> night I always wake up and have to stick my legs and feet out from under

the

> blanket because I am so hot. Then I get cold again.

>

> I have noticed that if my office is cold, I ALWAYS have a flare at my

usual

> time (it is not nearly as bad post V-beam as they used to be). If my

office

> is normal, now since V-beam, I do not have the flare.

>

> In the past, when I got flares in the car, I used to point the vents right

> at my face to cool me off. It didn't work. It seems to contribute to dry

> eyes, that is all. After about one year of that, I realized that if I got

> my body cold by pointing the vents at my arms and chest, my face would

cool

> down to normal while the rest of me was cold. I must get my arms quite

cold

> to cool my face down. This is the way it is now. My face seems to be

> degrees warmer than my body.

>

> V-beam is helping a lot with the degree with which my NOSE flares, and

with

> the number of flares I get. It does not change any of the rest of the

> hot-cold thing. I

> really feel it all had something to do with menopause - I think that

caused

> changes in my body that seem to be here to stay.

>

>

>