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our son silas says about 6-8 words, he is 2 years old, and we is

receiving speech and ot. my question is i know he can say other thins

i have heard him say it....example. ....

1.when i hollar at the dog, he repeats me and says the dogs name. but

he will not spontaneusly say it.

2. same thing happens when i hollar for the kids or tristen. he

repeats it.

3.his uncles were watching football in the living room and they

hollard touch down and he yelled it back.

4. he will say i love you when you sing it to him, but not on his own.

now none of these words are clear but you can make it out.

the word he does say are a bunch of noises and squeals like a baby,

he will say down, eat, sssssss for horse, maaaaaa for me and da for

tristen, and for a while he was calling everyone maaaa and now he is

calling everyone daaaaa, and when he does speak he either screams it

at the top of his lungs or he whispers it. i was just wondering if

anyone could offer any advise.

one docter said he has early signs of aspergers, and one docter said

he had given some thought to williwams syndrome, but he did not fit

enough clinical criteria to test fot it at this time.

thank so much

Dana

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Hi Dana:

When you mentioned aspergers, I did a quick search. It says that

language seems on the surface normal. At 18 months a child should be

able to say 25-50 words. Have you looked up the symptoms of

apraxia? spontaneous speech is affected. Mimicking and repeating

words is easier than remembering the motor planning to say words on

their own. What is the OT for? Have you looked into sensory

integration dysfunction/disorder? Apraxia and autism spectrum both

have SID?

Is your child on EFA's/fish oil?

Tina

http://www.udel.edu/bkirby/asperger/aswhatisit.html

By definition, those with AS have a normal IQ and many individuals

(although not all), exhibit exceptional skill or talent in a specific

area. Because of their high degree of functionality and their

naiveté, those with AS are often viewed as eccentric or odd and can

easily become victims of teasing and bullying. While language

development seems, on the surface, normal, individuals with AS often

have deficits in pragmatics and prosody. Vocabularies may be

extraordinarily rich and some children sound like " little

professors. " However, persons with AS can be extremely literal and

have difficulty using language in a social context.

>

>

> our son silas says about 6-8 words, he is 2 years old, and we is

> receiving speech and ot. my question is i know he can say other

thins

> i have heard him say it....example. ....

> 1.when i hollar at the dog, he repeats me and says the dogs name.

but

> he will not spontaneusly say it.

> 2. same thing happens when i hollar for the kids or tristen. he

> repeats it.

> 3.his uncles were watching football in the living room and they

> hollard touch down and he yelled it back.

> 4. he will say i love you when you sing it to him, but not on his

own.

> now none of these words are clear but you can make it out.

> the word he does say are a bunch of noises and squeals like a baby,

> he will say down, eat, sssssss for horse, maaaaaa for me and da for

> tristen, and for a while he was calling everyone maaaa and now he is

> calling everyone daaaaa, and when he does speak he either screams it

> at the top of his lungs or he whispers it. i was just wondering if

> anyone could offer any advise.

> one docter said he has early signs of aspergers, and one docter said

> he had given some thought to williwams syndrome, but he did not fit

> enough clinical criteria to test fot it at this time.

> thank so much

> Dana

>

>

>

>

>

>

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Hi, thanks for writing,

i have done some research as well and i thought the same thing, about

the lanhuage.he is getting ot to help with eating, he is very fussy

and very underweight, he chews everything and then spits it out. he

will not swallow. the ot says he has sensory issues, they gave him a

really neat hammock swing, and he loves it, he will stay in it all

day, that is the only way i can get him to drink his milk. no he is

not on that what does fish oil do?

thanks again for writing.

> >

> >

> > our son silas says about 6-8 words, he is 2 years old, and we is

> > receiving speech and ot. my question is i know he can say other

> thins

> > i have heard him say it....example. ....

> > 1.when i hollar at the dog, he repeats me and says the dogs name.

> but

> > he will not spontaneusly say it.

> > 2. same thing happens when i hollar for the kids or tristen. he

> > repeats it.

> > 3.his uncles were watching football in the living room and they

> > hollard touch down and he yelled it back.

> > 4. he will say i love you when you sing it to him, but not on his

> own.

> > now none of these words are clear but you can make it out.

> > the word he does say are a bunch of noises and squeals like a

baby,

> > he will say down, eat, sssssss for horse, maaaaaa for me and da

for

> > tristen, and for a while he was calling everyone maaaa and now he

is

> > calling everyone daaaaa, and when he does speak he either screams

it

> > at the top of his lungs or he whispers it. i was just wondering if

> > anyone could offer any advise.

> > one docter said he has early signs of aspergers, and one docter

said

> > he had given some thought to williwams syndrome, but he did not

fit

> > enough clinical criteria to test fot it at this time.

> > thank so much

> > Dana

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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So he has 6-8 words that he speaks spontaneously does he echo those

words as well as others? Is the echolalia frequent? How is his pretend

play? Does he respond to his name? Does he point at things that he

wants you to look at? Does he play with other children appropriately?

I would guess that at his age it could be hard to distinguish between

Asperger's syndrome and other autism spectrum disorders. Did you mean

syndrome? If so, a geneticist should be able to determine if

he has it - it is a genetic disorder and has characteristic features

that should distinguish it from ASD (facial appearance, high blood

calcium, etc).

What type of professionals have evaluated him? If he has an autism

spectrum disorder, a ped neuropsychologist should be able to diagnose

him at 2. Or I would try to find a ped neurologist in your area who

has experience with autism spectrum disorders. Actually at 2 your

pediatrician should do the CHAT screening test on him and be able to

give you some information about his risk of having an ASD.

>

>

> our son silas says about 6-8 words, he is 2 years old, and we is

> receiving speech and ot. my question is i know he can say other thins

> i have heard him say it....example. ....

> 1.when i hollar at the dog, he repeats me and says the dogs name. but

> he will not spontaneusly say it.

> 2. same thing happens when i hollar for the kids or tristen. he

> repeats it.

> 3.his uncles were watching football in the living room and they

> hollard touch down and he yelled it back.

> 4. he will say i love you when you sing it to him, but not on his own.

> now none of these words are clear but you can make it out.

> the word he does say are a bunch of noises and squeals like a baby,

> he will say down, eat, sssssss for horse, maaaaaa for me and da for

> tristen, and for a while he was calling everyone maaaa and now he is

> calling everyone daaaaa, and when he does speak he either screams it

> at the top of his lungs or he whispers it. i was just wondering if

> anyone could offer any advise.

> one docter said he has early signs of aspergers, and one docter said

> he had given some thought to williwams syndrome, but he did not fit

> enough clinical criteria to test fot it at this time.

> thank so much

> Dana

>

>

>

>

>

>

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hi mary thanks so much for writing. he does not echo those words, and he

only repeats us when we speak loudly. his pretend play is ok i

think.......but it has to be by himself.yes he responds to his name. he

will either point or grunt. no he does not play with other children well

at all, he was banned from the nusery at church for biting, they had to

stick him in a playpen and now he preferes it. yes i meant williams

syndrome. i e-mailed his picture to a bunch of parents who have children

with it and some said he does have the facial features and others could

not see it. he does have a elevated calcium level, but they said it is

olnly slightly elevated. he has been seen by a endrochronologist a

neurologist and a developmental docter.....he goes back to the

neurologist on jan 30th

> >

> >

> > our son silas says about 6-8 words, he is 2 years old, and we is

> > receiving speech and ot. my question is i know he can say other

thins

> > i have heard him say it....example. ....

> > 1.when i hollar at the dog, he repeats me and says the dogs name.

but

> > he will not spontaneusly say it.

> > 2. same thing happens when i hollar for the kids or tristen. he

> > repeats it.

> > 3.his uncles were watching football in the living room and they

> > hollard touch down and he yelled it back.

> > 4. he will say i love you when you sing it to him, but not on his

own.

> > now none of these words are clear but you can make it out.

> > the word he does say are a bunch of noises and squeals like a baby,

> > he will say down, eat, sssssss for horse, maaaaaa for me and da for

> > tristen, and for a while he was calling everyone maaaa and now he is

> > calling everyone daaaaa, and when he does speak he either screams it

> > at the top of his lungs or he whispers it. i was just wondering if

> > anyone could offer any advise.

> > one docter said he has early signs of aspergers, and one docter said

> > he had given some thought to williwams syndrome, but he did not fit

> > enough clinical criteria to test fot it at this time.

> > thank so much

> > Dana

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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Forgot to ask what is a CHAT screening test?

> >

> >

> > our son silas says about 6-8 words, he is 2 years old, and we is

> > receiving speech and ot. my question is i know he can say other

thins

> > i have heard him say it....example. ....

> > 1.when i hollar at the dog, he repeats me and says the dogs name.

but

> > he will not spontaneusly say it.

> > 2. same thing happens when i hollar for the kids or tristen. he

> > repeats it.

> > 3.his uncles were watching football in the living room and they

> > hollard touch down and he yelled it back.

> > 4. he will say i love you when you sing it to him, but not on his

own.

> > now none of these words are clear but you can make it out.

> > the word he does say are a bunch of noises and squeals like a

baby,

> > he will say down, eat, sssssss for horse, maaaaaa for me and da

for

> > tristen, and for a while he was calling everyone maaaa and now he

is

> > calling everyone daaaaa, and when he does speak he either screams

it

> > at the top of his lungs or he whispers it. i was just wondering if

> > anyone could offer any advise.

> > one docter said he has early signs of aspergers, and one docter

said

> > he had given some thought to williwams syndrome, but he did not

fit

> > enough clinical criteria to test fot it at this time.

> > thank so much

> > Dana

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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Hi Dana:

When you mentioned aspergers, I did a quick search. It says that

language seems on the surface normal. At 18 months a child should be

able to say 25-50 words. Have you looked up the symptoms of

apraxia? spontaneous speech is affected. Mimicking and repeating

words is easier than remembering the motor planning to say words on

their own. What is the OT for? Have you looked into sensory

integration dysfunction/disorder? Apraxia and autism spectrum both

have SID?

Is your child on EFA's/fish oil?

Tina

http://www.udel.edu/bkirby/asperger/aswhatisit.html

By definition, those with AS have a normal IQ and many individuals

(although not all), exhibit exceptional skill or talent in a specific

area. Because of their high degree of functionality and their

naiveté, those with AS are often viewed as eccentric or odd and can

easily become victims of teasing and bullying. While language

development seems, on the surface, normal, individuals with AS often

have deficits in pragmatics and prosody. Vocabularies may be

extraordinarily rich and some children sound like " little

professors. " However, persons with AS can be extremely literal and

have difficulty using language in a social context.

>

>

> our son silas says about 6-8 words, he is 2 years old, and we is

> receiving speech and ot. my question is i know he can say other

thins

> i have heard him say it....example. ....

> 1.when i hollar at the dog, he repeats me and says the dogs name.

but

> he will not spontaneusly say it.

> 2. same thing happens when i hollar for the kids or tristen. he

> repeats it.

> 3.his uncles were watching football in the living room and they

> hollard touch down and he yelled it back.

> 4. he will say i love you when you sing it to him, but not on his

own.

> now none of these words are clear but you can make it out.

> the word he does say are a bunch of noises and squeals like a baby,

> he will say down, eat, sssssss for horse, maaaaaa for me and da for

> tristen, and for a while he was calling everyone maaaa and now he is

> calling everyone daaaaa, and when he does speak he either screams it

> at the top of his lungs or he whispers it. i was just wondering if

> anyone could offer any advise.

> one docter said he has early signs of aspergers, and one docter said

> he had given some thought to williwams syndrome, but he did not fit

> enough clinical criteria to test fot it at this time.

> thank so much

> Dana

>

>

>

>

>

>

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Hi, thanks for writing,

i have done some research as well and i thought the same thing, about

the lanhuage.he is getting ot to help with eating, he is very fussy

and very underweight, he chews everything and then spits it out. he

will not swallow. the ot says he has sensory issues, they gave him a

really neat hammock swing, and he loves it, he will stay in it all

day, that is the only way i can get him to drink his milk. no he is

not on that what does fish oil do?

thanks again for writing.

> >

> >

> > our son silas says about 6-8 words, he is 2 years old, and we is

> > receiving speech and ot. my question is i know he can say other

> thins

> > i have heard him say it....example. ....

> > 1.when i hollar at the dog, he repeats me and says the dogs name.

> but

> > he will not spontaneusly say it.

> > 2. same thing happens when i hollar for the kids or tristen. he

> > repeats it.

> > 3.his uncles were watching football in the living room and they

> > hollard touch down and he yelled it back.

> > 4. he will say i love you when you sing it to him, but not on his

> own.

> > now none of these words are clear but you can make it out.

> > the word he does say are a bunch of noises and squeals like a

baby,

> > he will say down, eat, sssssss for horse, maaaaaa for me and da

for

> > tristen, and for a while he was calling everyone maaaa and now he

is

> > calling everyone daaaaa, and when he does speak he either screams

it

> > at the top of his lungs or he whispers it. i was just wondering if

> > anyone could offer any advise.

> > one docter said he has early signs of aspergers, and one docter

said

> > he had given some thought to williwams syndrome, but he did not

fit

> > enough clinical criteria to test fot it at this time.

> > thank so much

> > Dana

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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So he has 6-8 words that he speaks spontaneously does he echo those

words as well as others? Is the echolalia frequent? How is his pretend

play? Does he respond to his name? Does he point at things that he

wants you to look at? Does he play with other children appropriately?

I would guess that at his age it could be hard to distinguish between

Asperger's syndrome and other autism spectrum disorders. Did you mean

syndrome? If so, a geneticist should be able to determine if

he has it - it is a genetic disorder and has characteristic features

that should distinguish it from ASD (facial appearance, high blood

calcium, etc).

What type of professionals have evaluated him? If he has an autism

spectrum disorder, a ped neuropsychologist should be able to diagnose

him at 2. Or I would try to find a ped neurologist in your area who

has experience with autism spectrum disorders. Actually at 2 your

pediatrician should do the CHAT screening test on him and be able to

give you some information about his risk of having an ASD.

>

>

> our son silas says about 6-8 words, he is 2 years old, and we is

> receiving speech and ot. my question is i know he can say other thins

> i have heard him say it....example. ....

> 1.when i hollar at the dog, he repeats me and says the dogs name. but

> he will not spontaneusly say it.

> 2. same thing happens when i hollar for the kids or tristen. he

> repeats it.

> 3.his uncles were watching football in the living room and they

> hollard touch down and he yelled it back.

> 4. he will say i love you when you sing it to him, but not on his own.

> now none of these words are clear but you can make it out.

> the word he does say are a bunch of noises and squeals like a baby,

> he will say down, eat, sssssss for horse, maaaaaa for me and da for

> tristen, and for a while he was calling everyone maaaa and now he is

> calling everyone daaaaa, and when he does speak he either screams it

> at the top of his lungs or he whispers it. i was just wondering if

> anyone could offer any advise.

> one docter said he has early signs of aspergers, and one docter said

> he had given some thought to williwams syndrome, but he did not fit

> enough clinical criteria to test fot it at this time.

> thank so much

> Dana

>

>

>

>

>

>

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hi mary thanks so much for writing. he does not echo those words, and he

only repeats us when we speak loudly. his pretend play is ok i

think.......but it has to be by himself.yes he responds to his name. he

will either point or grunt. no he does not play with other children well

at all, he was banned from the nusery at church for biting, they had to

stick him in a playpen and now he preferes it. yes i meant williams

syndrome. i e-mailed his picture to a bunch of parents who have children

with it and some said he does have the facial features and others could

not see it. he does have a elevated calcium level, but they said it is

olnly slightly elevated. he has been seen by a endrochronologist a

neurologist and a developmental docter.....he goes back to the

neurologist on jan 30th

> >

> >

> > our son silas says about 6-8 words, he is 2 years old, and we is

> > receiving speech and ot. my question is i know he can say other

thins

> > i have heard him say it....example. ....

> > 1.when i hollar at the dog, he repeats me and says the dogs name.

but

> > he will not spontaneusly say it.

> > 2. same thing happens when i hollar for the kids or tristen. he

> > repeats it.

> > 3.his uncles were watching football in the living room and they

> > hollard touch down and he yelled it back.

> > 4. he will say i love you when you sing it to him, but not on his

own.

> > now none of these words are clear but you can make it out.

> > the word he does say are a bunch of noises and squeals like a baby,

> > he will say down, eat, sssssss for horse, maaaaaa for me and da for

> > tristen, and for a while he was calling everyone maaaa and now he is

> > calling everyone daaaaa, and when he does speak he either screams it

> > at the top of his lungs or he whispers it. i was just wondering if

> > anyone could offer any advise.

> > one docter said he has early signs of aspergers, and one docter said

> > he had given some thought to williwams syndrome, but he did not fit

> > enough clinical criteria to test fot it at this time.

> > thank so much

> > Dana

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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Forgot to ask what is a CHAT screening test?

> >

> >

> > our son silas says about 6-8 words, he is 2 years old, and we is

> > receiving speech and ot. my question is i know he can say other

thins

> > i have heard him say it....example. ....

> > 1.when i hollar at the dog, he repeats me and says the dogs name.

but

> > he will not spontaneusly say it.

> > 2. same thing happens when i hollar for the kids or tristen. he

> > repeats it.

> > 3.his uncles were watching football in the living room and they

> > hollard touch down and he yelled it back.

> > 4. he will say i love you when you sing it to him, but not on his

own.

> > now none of these words are clear but you can make it out.

> > the word he does say are a bunch of noises and squeals like a

baby,

> > he will say down, eat, sssssss for horse, maaaaaa for me and da

for

> > tristen, and for a while he was calling everyone maaaa and now he

is

> > calling everyone daaaaa, and when he does speak he either screams

it

> > at the top of his lungs or he whispers it. i was just wondering if

> > anyone could offer any advise.

> > one docter said he has early signs of aspergers, and one docter

said

> > he had given some thought to williwams syndrome, but he did not

fit

> > enough clinical criteria to test fot it at this time.

> > thank so much

> > Dana

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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And just to make it more confusing it is possible to have both

aspergers and apraxia, though harder to diagnose. My 5 year old ds

was diagnosed severely apraxic at age 2 and was recently diagnosed

with aspergers. He has very text book asberger traits but his lack

of speech was confusing things. He was nonverbal until he was 4. So

now the specialists have decided that he has apraxia AND aspergers.

ly, the apraxia has been the most difficult to deal with. He is

now 5 and a little chatterbox, though still extremely hard to

understand at times (drives us crazy with his obsessions, but we'll

take it!) thanks to fish oil and vitamin e. Actually many of his

autistic behaviors have disapeared or become much less of an issue on

the vitamon e. We have his on 1400 IU alpha and 6oo mg Gamma.

Fran

> >

> >

> > our son silas says about 6-8 words, he is 2 years old, and we is

> > receiving speech and ot. my question is i know he can say other

> thins

> > i have heard him say it....example. ....

> > 1.when i hollar at the dog, he repeats me and says the dogs name.

> but

> > he will not spontaneusly say it.

> > 2. same thing happens when i hollar for the kids or tristen. he

> > repeats it.

> > 3.his uncles were watching football in the living room and they

> > hollard touch down and he yelled it back.

> > 4. he will say i love you when you sing it to him, but not on his

> own.

> > now none of these words are clear but you can make it out.

> > the word he does say are a bunch of noises and squeals like a

baby,

> > he will say down, eat, sssssss for horse, maaaaaa for me and da

for

> > tristen, and for a while he was calling everyone maaaa and now he

is

> > calling everyone daaaaa, and when he does speak he either screams

it

> > at the top of his lungs or he whispers it. i was just wondering if

> > anyone could offer any advise.

> > one docter said he has early signs of aspergers, and one docter

said

> > he had given some thought to williwams syndrome, but he did not

fit

> > enough clinical criteria to test fot it at this time.

> > thank so much

> > Dana

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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And just to make it more confusing it is possible to have both

aspergers and apraxia, though harder to diagnose. My 5 year old ds

was diagnosed severely apraxic at age 2 and was recently diagnosed

with aspergers. He has very text book asberger traits but his lack

of speech was confusing things. He was nonverbal until he was 4. So

now the specialists have decided that he has apraxia AND aspergers.

ly, the apraxia has been the most difficult to deal with. He is

now 5 and a little chatterbox, though still extremely hard to

understand at times (drives us crazy with his obsessions, but we'll

take it!) thanks to fish oil and vitamin e. Actually many of his

autistic behaviors have disapeared or become much less of an issue on

the vitamon e. We have his on 1400 IU alpha and 6oo mg Gamma.

Fran

> >

> >

> > our son silas says about 6-8 words, he is 2 years old, and we is

> > receiving speech and ot. my question is i know he can say other

> thins

> > i have heard him say it....example. ....

> > 1.when i hollar at the dog, he repeats me and says the dogs name.

> but

> > he will not spontaneusly say it.

> > 2. same thing happens when i hollar for the kids or tristen. he

> > repeats it.

> > 3.his uncles were watching football in the living room and they

> > hollard touch down and he yelled it back.

> > 4. he will say i love you when you sing it to him, but not on his

> own.

> > now none of these words are clear but you can make it out.

> > the word he does say are a bunch of noises and squeals like a

baby,

> > he will say down, eat, sssssss for horse, maaaaaa for me and da

for

> > tristen, and for a while he was calling everyone maaaa and now he

is

> > calling everyone daaaaa, and when he does speak he either screams

it

> > at the top of his lungs or he whispers it. i was just wondering if

> > anyone could offer any advise.

> > one docter said he has early signs of aspergers, and one docter

said

> > he had given some thought to williwams syndrome, but he did not

fit

> > enough clinical criteria to test fot it at this time.

> > thank so much

> > Dana

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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Hi,

I'd start out with the EFA's first, and work with that for a while. Then

think about adding the EPA.

On 1/8/07, IsHak <sabrina.ishak@...> wrote:

>

> I am going to give my son (2.9 year old) ProEFA, is that all I need to

> give him? Or should I also give him ProEPA?

>

>

>

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Hi,

I'd start out with the EFA's first, and work with that for a while. Then

think about adding the EPA.

On 1/8/07, IsHak <sabrina.ishak@...> wrote:

>

> I am going to give my son (2.9 year old) ProEFA, is that all I need to

> give him? Or should I also give him ProEPA?

>

>

>

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  • 3 weeks later...

My son's initial diagnosis was Asperger's although some therapists

consider him PDD because at 9.0 years old he's still got residual

language delays. I also suspect that it's possible to have

Asperger's along with CAPD (central auditory processing disorder)

which further confuses things!

Vicki

> >

> > Hi Dana:

> > When you mentioned aspergers, I did a quick search. It says that

> > language seems on the surface normal. At 18 months a child

should

> be

> > able to say 25-50 words. Have you looked up the symptoms of

> > apraxia? spontaneous speech is affected. Mimicking and

repeating

> > words is easier than remembering the motor planning to say words

on

> > their own. What is the OT for? Have you looked into sensory

> > integration dysfunction/disorder? Apraxia and autism spectrum

both

> > have SID?

> > Is your child on EFA's/fish oil?

> > Tina

> >

> > http://www.udel.edu/bkirby/asperger/aswhatisit.html

> > By definition, those with AS have a normal IQ and many

individuals

> > (although not all), exhibit exceptional skill or talent in a

> specific

> > area.

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This is interesting. I thought that Aspergers was only diagnosed in

children who had normal onset of speech. I wonder how they decide

it's aspergers vs PDD NOS when speech is delayed. Both can be high

functioning.

> > >

> > > Hi Dana:

> > > When you mentioned aspergers, I did a quick search. It says

that

> > > language seems on the surface normal. At 18 months a child

> should

> > be

> > > able to say 25-50 words. Have you looked up the symptoms of

> > > apraxia? spontaneous speech is affected. Mimicking and

> repeating

> > > words is easier than remembering the motor planning to say

words

> on

> > > their own. What is the OT for? Have you looked into sensory

> > > integration dysfunction/disorder? Apraxia and autism spectrum

> both

> > > have SID?

> > > Is your child on EFA's/fish oil?

> > > Tina

> > >

> > > http://www.udel.edu/bkirby/asperger/aswhatisit.html

> > > By definition, those with AS have a normal IQ and many

> individuals

> > > (although not all), exhibit exceptional skill or talent in a

> > specific

> > > area.

>

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