Re: HELP My 3 Y/O driving me nuts

[Guest guest]

FYI - our pediatrician told me that between 2 and 4 yrs of age is

normal for potty training for ALL children, so let's not feel too

bad if our little ones who may also have some SI issues, low tone,

and communication problems aren't potty trained right away. I know

I am already nervous because my son will need to be potty trained

for the 3 yr old class next fall, and my mother hounds me about

potty training everytime she sees me (ugh), but really our kids are

within normal range (and even if a bit outside the normal range, not

surprising considering the challenges they face). Deep breath

everyone...

> > >

> > > My son will soon go into what's called " The Teddy Program " for

> his

> > > speach delay.. Anyways.. I am having major issues with my 3

y/o

> to

> > a

> > > point litterally driving me nuts! He has a tempertrampum

(sorry

> bad

> > > spelling there) then throws a big fit.. and starts to whine..

> > working

> > > it's way to a loud cry.... it can strick at a simple thing

into

> a

> > big

> > > ordeal!

> > > I grew up in the military way from my dad (Airforce) so ..

kinda

> > > hard for me to be sympathetic.. when I grew up in a do it or

you

> go

> > > no where until it's done kind of way.

> > >

> > > I have a newborn.. tomarrow he'll be 3 weeks old.. A very good

> > > baby; however my son.. Meh.. It's been a long hard 3 full

years

> &

> > > still have not fully enjoyed the time with him. He cried since

> > > birth... & has not stopped since. The potty training..

fails...

> > I've

> > > stopped buying dipers I've been using the training pants, the

> other

> > > training pants that you can through away.. & today I just

> recetly

> > > bought him underwear 6 prs. So far.. he's crapped in them....

I

> am

> > so

> > > fed up... I mean I do have my son sit on his personal throne

> > (toddler

> > > toilet) for an hour or so near me.. if I hear music playing..

> that

> > > means he did a good thing... so far nothing.. the minute those

> > > training pants or under's go back on him.. he's crapped

himself..

> > > Need help so bad.... I'm begining to get migrains again.. I

> really

> > > don't want that ...

> > > Thanks... newbe here

> > >

> >

> > img scr=*http://i2.photobucket.com

> > __________________________________________________

> >

[Guest guest]

Hi,

My daughter (still not potty trained) used to scream when we put

her on the potty. It's called positional insecurity. We got her a

potty ring with handles and put a foot stool under her feet. It has

made her comfortable enough not to be afraid to sit on the potty.

She's just not ready.

> >

> > My son will soon go into what's called " The Teddy Program " for

his

> > speach delay.. Anyways.. I am having major issues with my 3 y/o

to

> a

> > point litterally driving me nuts! He has a tempertrampum (sorry

bad

> > spelling there) then throws a big fit.. and starts to whine..

> working

> > it's way to a loud cry.... it can strick at a simple thing into

a

> big

> > ordeal!

> > I grew up in the military way from my dad (Airforce) so .. kinda

> > hard for me to be sympathetic.. when I grew up in a do it or you

go

> > no where until it's done kind of way.

> >

> > I have a newborn.. tomarrow he'll be 3 weeks old.. A very good

> > baby; however my son.. Meh.. It's been a long hard 3 full years

&

> > still have not fully enjoyed the time with him. He cried since

> > birth... & has not stopped since. The potty training.. fails...

> I've

> > stopped buying dipers I've been using the training pants, the

other

> > training pants that you can through away.. & today I just

recetly

> > bought him underwear 6 prs. So far.. he's crapped in them.... I

am

> so

> > fed up... I mean I do have my son sit on his personal throne

> (toddler

> > toilet) for an hour or so near me.. if I hear music playing..

that

> > means he did a good thing... so far nothing.. the minute those

> > training pants or under's go back on him.. he's crapped himself..

> > Need help so bad.... I'm begining to get migrains again.. I

really

> > don't want that ...

> > Thanks... newbe here

> >

>

> img scr=*http://i2.photobucket.com

> __________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

FYI - our pediatrician told me that between 2 and 4 yrs of age is

normal for potty training for ALL children, so let's not feel too

bad if our little ones who may also have some SI issues, low tone,

and communication problems aren't potty trained right away. I know

I am already nervous because my son will need to be potty trained

for the 3 yr old class next fall, and my mother hounds me about

potty training everytime she sees me (ugh), but really our kids are

within normal range (and even if a bit outside the normal range, not

surprising considering the challenges they face). Deep breath

everyone...

> > >

> > > My son will soon go into what's called " The Teddy Program " for

> his

> > > speach delay.. Anyways.. I am having major issues with my 3

y/o

> to

> > a

> > > point litterally driving me nuts! He has a tempertrampum

(sorry

> bad

> > > spelling there) then throws a big fit.. and starts to whine..

> > working

> > > it's way to a loud cry.... it can strick at a simple thing

into

> a

> > big

> > > ordeal!

> > > I grew up in the military way from my dad (Airforce) so ..

kinda

> > > hard for me to be sympathetic.. when I grew up in a do it or

you

> go

> > > no where until it's done kind of way.

> > >

> > > I have a newborn.. tomarrow he'll be 3 weeks old.. A very good

> > > baby; however my son.. Meh.. It's been a long hard 3 full

years

> &

> > > still have not fully enjoyed the time with him. He cried since

> > > birth... & has not stopped since. The potty training..

fails...

> > I've

> > > stopped buying dipers I've been using the training pants, the

> other

> > > training pants that you can through away.. & today I just

> recetly

> > > bought him underwear 6 prs. So far.. he's crapped in them....

I

> am

> > so

> > > fed up... I mean I do have my son sit on his personal throne

> > (toddler

> > > toilet) for an hour or so near me.. if I hear music playing..

> that

> > > means he did a good thing... so far nothing.. the minute those

> > > training pants or under's go back on him.. he's crapped

himself..

> > > Need help so bad.... I'm begining to get migrains again.. I

> really

> > > don't want that ...

> > > Thanks... newbe here

> > >

> >

> > img scr=*http://i2.photobucket.com

> > __________________________________________________

> >

[Guest guest]

Just for insight...

Yes, it is normal for children in the US to potty train between age 2

and age 4. Average age for daytime dryness for a girl is 3 and a boy

is 3.5. Night time dryness comes later. When folks like our mothers,

grandmothers etc hound us about it, here's why....

There is an interesting article (it was published in Contemporary

Pediatrics about 2 years ago) by a physician named Basil Zitelli. In

it he compares how the age for potty training increases as diapering

products improve. In the 1920's when the only option was

non-disposable diapers the average age for being potty training was 18

months. As disposable diapers came on the market place the average age

went up to 2 and then 2.5. Now we have disposables that are

comfortable for kids, we even have pull ups so that kids can wear

diapers even longer. Kids no longer complain as soon as they're wet,

etc.... so now they potty train at age 3 to 3.5. Zitelli's point was

that as the more inconvenient the job of diapering was, the younger

children were when potty trained.

So.... when our grandmothers were raising kids, kids were potty trained

by 18 to 24 months. Our mothers probably potty trained us around age 2

to 2.5. This is why, no matter what we say about today's " average age "

of potty training, to them it is nothing but hogwash. Potty training

is one of those " generation gap " issues.

That said, I too am in the middle of potty training hell. The child

loves to sit on the potty. Loves to talk about the potty. Loves the

Once Upon a Potty book but she insists on going in her pants and THEN

telling me she needs to sit on the potty. I know some of this is being

2 (almost 3) and some is motor planning. However, at this point I

will buy her a sports car if she will just PEE IN THE POTTY!!!!!!!

Kris

On Jan 3, 2007, at 8:54 PM, myjunkytrash wrote:

> FYI - our pediatrician told me that between 2 and 4 yrs of age is

> normal for potty training for ALL children, so let's not feel too

> bad if our little ones who may also have some SI issues, low tone,

> and communication problems aren't potty trained right away. I know

> I am already nervous because my son will need to be potty trained

> for the 3 yr old class next fall, and my mother hounds me about

> potty training everytime she sees me (ugh), but really our kids are

> within normal range (and even if a bit outside the normal range, not

> surprising considering the challenges they face). Deep breath

> everyone...

>

[Guest guest]

Here is an idea- have him/her clean up the mess. (When it's not

extremely messy)

I did this when my daughter was deliberately pee'ing on rug. At

first I thought the dog was. Until I caught her in the act- sitting

on the floor, pants down. I walked in, she stood up so fast to pull

up her pants. When she did, I then noticed the wet spot.

We had a behavioralist comming to our house to help with negative

behaviors of aggression, then the peeing on the rug came into play.

She (the behaviorist) suggested to have our daughter clean it up.

(hand over hand in the beginning)

After having to do this, with our firm words of " No, you go in the

potty " This behavior ended.

Hope that helps someone.

Dawn in NJ

>

> > FYI - our pediatrician told me that between 2 and 4 yrs of age is

> > normal for potty training for ALL children, so let's not feel

too

> > bad if our little ones who may also have some SI issues, low

tone,

> > and communication problems aren't potty trained right away. I

know

> > I am already nervous because my son will need to be potty

trained

> > for the 3 yr old class next fall, and my mother hounds me about

> > potty training everytime she sees me (ugh), but really our kids

are

> > within normal range (and even if a bit outside the normal

range, not

> > surprising considering the challenges they face). Deep breath

> > everyone...

> >

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Just for insight...

Yes, it is normal for children in the US to potty train between age 2

and age 4. Average age for daytime dryness for a girl is 3 and a boy

is 3.5. Night time dryness comes later. When folks like our mothers,

grandmothers etc hound us about it, here's why....

There is an interesting article (it was published in Contemporary

Pediatrics about 2 years ago) by a physician named Basil Zitelli. In

it he compares how the age for potty training increases as diapering

products improve. In the 1920's when the only option was

non-disposable diapers the average age for being potty training was 18

months. As disposable diapers came on the market place the average age

went up to 2 and then 2.5. Now we have disposables that are

comfortable for kids, we even have pull ups so that kids can wear

diapers even longer. Kids no longer complain as soon as they're wet,

etc.... so now they potty train at age 3 to 3.5. Zitelli's point was

that as the more inconvenient the job of diapering was, the younger

children were when potty trained.

So.... when our grandmothers were raising kids, kids were potty trained

by 18 to 24 months. Our mothers probably potty trained us around age 2

to 2.5. This is why, no matter what we say about today's " average age "

of potty training, to them it is nothing but hogwash. Potty training

is one of those " generation gap " issues.

That said, I too am in the middle of potty training hell. The child

loves to sit on the potty. Loves to talk about the potty. Loves the

Once Upon a Potty book but she insists on going in her pants and THEN

telling me she needs to sit on the potty. I know some of this is being

2 (almost 3) and some is motor planning. However, at this point I

will buy her a sports car if she will just PEE IN THE POTTY!!!!!!!

Kris

On Jan 3, 2007, at 8:54 PM, myjunkytrash wrote:

> FYI - our pediatrician told me that between 2 and 4 yrs of age is

> normal for potty training for ALL children, so let's not feel too

> bad if our little ones who may also have some SI issues, low tone,

> and communication problems aren't potty trained right away. I know

> I am already nervous because my son will need to be potty trained

> for the 3 yr old class next fall, and my mother hounds me about

> potty training everytime she sees me (ugh), but really our kids are

> within normal range (and even if a bit outside the normal range, not

> surprising considering the challenges they face). Deep breath

> everyone...

>

[Guest guest]

Hi,

Give me your mother's e-mail address and I'll tell her to back

off ;-)

> > > >

> > > > My son will soon go into what's called " The Teddy Program "

for

> > his

> > > > speach delay.. Anyways.. I am having major issues with my 3

> y/o

> > to

> > > a

> > > > point litterally driving me nuts! He has a tempertrampum

> (sorry

> > bad

> > > > spelling there) then throws a big fit.. and starts to

whine..

> > > working

> > > > it's way to a loud cry.... it can strick at a simple thing

> into

> > a

> > > big

> > > > ordeal!

> > > > I grew up in the military way from my dad (Airforce) so ..

> kinda

> > > > hard for me to be sympathetic.. when I grew up in a do it or

> you

> > go

> > > > no where until it's done kind of way.

> > > >

> > > > I have a newborn.. tomarrow he'll be 3 weeks old.. A very

good

> > > > baby; however my son.. Meh.. It's been a long hard 3 full

> years

> > &

> > > > still have not fully enjoyed the time with him. He cried

since

> > > > birth... & has not stopped since. The potty training..

> fails...

> > > I've

> > > > stopped buying dipers I've been using the training pants,

the

> > other

> > > > training pants that you can through away.. & today I just

> > recetly

> > > > bought him underwear 6 prs. So far.. he's crapped in

them....

> I

> > am

> > > so

> > > > fed up... I mean I do have my son sit on his personal throne

> > > (toddler

> > > > toilet) for an hour or so near me.. if I hear music

playing..

> > that

> > > > means he did a good thing... so far nothing.. the minute

those

> > > > training pants or under's go back on him.. he's crapped

> himself..

> > > > Need help so bad.... I'm begining to get migrains again.. I

> > really

> > > > don't want that ...

> > > > Thanks... newbe here

> > > >

> > >

> > > img scr=*http://i2.photobucket.com

> > > __________________________________________________

> > >

[Guest guest]

Here, here! I'll send her an email, too!

On 1/4/07, kyisauditor <kyisauditor@...> wrote:

>

> Hi,

> Give me your mother's e-mail address and I'll tell her to back

> off ;-)

>

>

>

> > > > >

> > > > > My son will soon go into what's called " The Teddy Program "

> for

> > > his

> > > > > speach delay.. Anyways.. I am having major issues with my 3

> > y/o

> > > to

> > > > a

> > > > > point litterally driving me nuts! He has a tempertrampum

> > (sorry

> > > bad

> > > > > spelling there) then throws a big fit.. and starts to

> whine..

> > > > working

> > > > > it's way to a loud cry.... it can strick at a simple thing

> > into

> > > a

> > > > big

> > > > > ordeal!

> > > > > I grew up in the military way from my dad (Airforce) so ..

> > kinda

> > > > > hard for me to be sympathetic.. when I grew up in a do it or

> > you

> > > go

> > > > > no where until it's done kind of way.

> > > > >

> > > > > I have a newborn.. tomarrow he'll be 3 weeks old.. A very

> good

> > > > > baby; however my son.. Meh.. It's been a long hard 3 full

> > years

> > > &

> > > > > still have not fully enjoyed the time with him. He cried

> since

> > > > > birth... & has not stopped since. The potty training..

> > fails...

> > > > I've

> > > > > stopped buying dipers I've been using the training pants,

> the

> > > other

> > > > > training pants that you can through away.. & today I just

> > > recetly

> > > > > bought him underwear 6 prs. So far.. he's crapped in

> them....

> > I

> > > am

> > > > so

> > > > > fed up... I mean I do have my son sit on his personal throne

> > > > (toddler

> > > > > toilet) for an hour or so near me.. if I hear music

> playing..

> > > that

> > > > > means he did a good thing... so far nothing.. the minute

> those

> > > > > training pants or under's go back on him.. he's crapped

> > himself..

> > > > > Need help so bad.... I'm begining to get migrains again.. I

> > > really

> > > > > don't want that ...

> > > > > Thanks... newbe here

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > img scr=*http://i2.photobucket.com

> > > > __________________________________________________

> > > >

[Guest guest]

Here is an idea- have him/her clean up the mess. (When it's not

extremely messy)

I did this when my daughter was deliberately pee'ing on rug. At

first I thought the dog was. Until I caught her in the act- sitting

on the floor, pants down. I walked in, she stood up so fast to pull

up her pants. When she did, I then noticed the wet spot.

We had a behavioralist comming to our house to help with negative

behaviors of aggression, then the peeing on the rug came into play.

She (the behaviorist) suggested to have our daughter clean it up.

(hand over hand in the beginning)

After having to do this, with our firm words of " No, you go in the

potty " This behavior ended.

Hope that helps someone.

Dawn in NJ

>

> > FYI - our pediatrician told me that between 2 and 4 yrs of age is

> > normal for potty training for ALL children, so let's not feel

too

> > bad if our little ones who may also have some SI issues, low

tone,

> > and communication problems aren't potty trained right away. I

know

> > I am already nervous because my son will need to be potty

trained

> > for the 3 yr old class next fall, and my mother hounds me about

> > potty training everytime she sees me (ugh), but really our kids

are

> > within normal range (and even if a bit outside the normal

range, not

> > surprising considering the challenges they face). Deep breath

> > everyone...

> >

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi,

Give me your mother's e-mail address and I'll tell her to back

off ;-)

> > > >

> > > > My son will soon go into what's called " The Teddy Program "

for

> > his

> > > > speach delay.. Anyways.. I am having major issues with my 3

> y/o

> > to

> > > a

> > > > point litterally driving me nuts! He has a tempertrampum

> (sorry

> > bad

> > > > spelling there) then throws a big fit.. and starts to

whine..

> > > working

> > > > it's way to a loud cry.... it can strick at a simple thing

> into

> > a

> > > big

> > > > ordeal!

> > > > I grew up in the military way from my dad (Airforce) so ..

> kinda

> > > > hard for me to be sympathetic.. when I grew up in a do it or

> you

> > go

> > > > no where until it's done kind of way.

> > > >

> > > > I have a newborn.. tomarrow he'll be 3 weeks old.. A very

good

> > > > baby; however my son.. Meh.. It's been a long hard 3 full

> years

> > &

> > > > still have not fully enjoyed the time with him. He cried

since

> > > > birth... & has not stopped since. The potty training..

> fails...

> > > I've

> > > > stopped buying dipers I've been using the training pants,

the

> > other

> > > > training pants that you can through away.. & today I just

> > recetly

> > > > bought him underwear 6 prs. So far.. he's crapped in

them....

> I

> > am

> > > so

> > > > fed up... I mean I do have my son sit on his personal throne

> > > (toddler

> > > > toilet) for an hour or so near me.. if I hear music

playing..

> > that

> > > > means he did a good thing... so far nothing.. the minute

those

> > > > training pants or under's go back on him.. he's crapped

> himself..

> > > > Need help so bad.... I'm begining to get migrains again.. I

> > really

> > > > don't want that ...

> > > > Thanks... newbe here

> > > >

> > >

> > > img scr=*http://i2.photobucket.com

> > > __________________________________________________

> > >

[Guest guest]

Here, here! I'll send her an email, too!

On 1/4/07, kyisauditor <kyisauditor@...> wrote:

>

> Hi,

> Give me your mother's e-mail address and I'll tell her to back

> off ;-)

>

>

>

> > > > >

> > > > > My son will soon go into what's called " The Teddy Program "

> for

> > > his

> > > > > speach delay.. Anyways.. I am having major issues with my 3

> > y/o

> > > to

> > > > a

> > > > > point litterally driving me nuts! He has a tempertrampum

> > (sorry

> > > bad

> > > > > spelling there) then throws a big fit.. and starts to

> whine..

> > > > working

> > > > > it's way to a loud cry.... it can strick at a simple thing

> > into

> > > a

> > > > big

> > > > > ordeal!

> > > > > I grew up in the military way from my dad (Airforce) so ..

> > kinda

> > > > > hard for me to be sympathetic.. when I grew up in a do it or

> > you

> > > go

> > > > > no where until it's done kind of way.

> > > > >

> > > > > I have a newborn.. tomarrow he'll be 3 weeks old.. A very

> good

> > > > > baby; however my son.. Meh.. It's been a long hard 3 full

> > years

> > > &

> > > > > still have not fully enjoyed the time with him. He cried

> since

> > > > > birth... & has not stopped since. The potty training..

> > fails...

> > > > I've

> > > > > stopped buying dipers I've been using the training pants,

> the

> > > other

> > > > > training pants that you can through away.. & today I just

> > > recetly

> > > > > bought him underwear 6 prs. So far.. he's crapped in

> them....

> > I

> > > am

> > > > so

> > > > > fed up... I mean I do have my son sit on his personal throne

> > > > (toddler

> > > > > toilet) for an hour or so near me.. if I hear music

> playing..

> > > that

> > > > > means he did a good thing... so far nothing.. the minute

> those

> > > > > training pants or under's go back on him.. he's crapped

> > himself..

> > > > > Need help so bad.... I'm begining to get migrains again.. I

> > > really

> > > > > don't want that ...

> > > > > Thanks... newbe here

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > img scr=*http://i2.photobucket.com

> > > > __________________________________________________

> > > >