Guest guest Posted December 27, 2006 Report Share Posted December 27, 2006 I'm seeing a lot of posts suggesting to people that their children might have autism, and I feel compelled to play devil's advocate. This hits home to me because I have spent much of the past year and a half worrying if my 2 and a half yr old son might have autism or PDD. I've read through all the checklists (CHAT, M-CHAT, DSM IV), read books, visited forums, talked to the EI therapists we work with, talked to a developmental psychologist, a neurologist, a couple of pediatricians and so on. What I have learned is that while early intervention is very important for children who have issues (apraxia, pdd, asd, etc), it can be difficult to diagnose and tease out the cause of their symptoms at a young age. Lots of symptoms overlap. Since it is now a spectrum disorder, there is a big gray area within the autism spectrum and many, many experts feel that it is being over-diagnosed. Part of the reason why is that instead of performing thorough evaluations of children, people are relying on screening checklists like the M-CHAT, and these screening checklists are intended for just that, screening. They let you know if you need further evaluation. They are not meant to replace the evaluation. They are not diagnostic tools. Think about it this way, a symptom can have a variety of causes. If you go to the doctor because you are walking with a limp, it might be for any number of reasons. You might have a sprained ankle, a hairline fracture or a pulled muscle. A good doctor will start with the symptom (limp) and work backward to find a cause. A good doctor or psychologist will do the same thing when presented with a child who is exhibiting these red flag behaviors. S/he won't simply diagnose based on the symptom itself. Some of the symptoms I'm reading about (e.g., mouth stuffing, not pointing) were a problem for my son too until we got him a good SI- based OT. He wasn't pointing because he had trouble coordinating deliberate movements with his hand and fingers (possibly because of " limb apraxia " and/or poor body awareness). After a short while of therapy he was pointing and signing, which led to a burst in language, which led to greater connectedness with others and stronger eye contact. After oral-motor work and exercises, he stopped stuffing his mouth with food. For my son these problems were sensory based and maybe also rooted in motor planning problems. We are still working on getting to the bottom of his issues, but with each successful therapy (or supplement) we use, he gets better, and everyone is amazed at how far he's come. The most important thing--in my opinion--is to seek out the therapies and treatments that will benefit your child, and I think you have to cast a wide net because even therapies that we associate with autism (e.g., ABA, Floortime) have been reported to work well with children who have different types of issues. Every child is different and there is no one perfect therapy that will work for every child regardless of the diagnosis. Good therapists (and therapists who are a good fit for your child) are crucial too. If you feel in your gut your child has autism or if you feel he will get better services with an autism diagnosis, then by all means, do what you feel is right. I just don't want people to read these posts and go into a panic thinking their children have autism because no one here is qualified to make that call (and if anyone is qualified, they surely wouldn't make a diagnosis for a child they've never even seen before). Okay, that's way more than my two cents! Kristi PS sorry if this gets sent twice. I'm having some trouble with tonight. > > I am curious as to what age did you find out that your son is autistic because he is extremely young now. Was it a developmental pediatrician, or who diagnosed him? > My son was diagnosed a year and a half ago with a severe receptive/expressive language disorder, and I often questioned whether he could be mildly autistic,but it has been r/o by a neurologist and a couple of speech pathologist. What type of behaviors does your son have to prove that he is mildly autistic? Does he say anything? My son probably had 4-6 words that were not always understood. He is 4yrs2mos and he can say a little over 100, maybe more, I really don't keep an accurate count. His probably is forming sentences. He's trying to string 3-4 words together,but very often not clear. There are a lot of words that you can definitely understand. He can spell his name,which is Pierce. He can also spell his sister's name,which is Jada. He has made alot of progress from a year ago, and from even 6mos ago. He has a long way to go, but I am here and God willing will continue to still be here and will hold his hand all the way through this. > > Benetta > > > Hi > My son's receptive language is progressing very well but he has not > added up to the 4 words he was able to say. He is 2.5 and mildly > autistic. > Could anybody give some piece of advice to what to do to help him to > talk. I am doing some works based on the book " More than words " with > him, but he seems has not taken off in his speaking yet. Any other > suggestion? > Thanks > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2006 Report Share Posted December 28, 2006 I'm seeing a lot of posts suggesting to people that their children might have autism, and I feel compelled to play devil's advocate. This hits home to me because I have spent much of the past year and a half worrying if my 2 and a half yr old son might have autism or PDD. I've read through all the checklists (CHAT, M-CHAT, DSM IV), read books, visited forums, talked to the EI therapists we work with, talked to a developmental psychologist, a neurologist, a couple of pediatricians and so on. What I have learned is that while early intervention is very important for children who have issues (apraxia, pdd, asd, etc), it can be difficult to diagnose and tease out the cause of their symptoms at a young age. Lots of symptoms overlap. Since it is now a spectrum disorder, there is a big gray area within the autism spectrum and many, many experts feel that it is being over-diagnosed. Part of the reason why is that instead of performing thorough evaluations of children, people are relying on screening checklists like the M-CHAT, and these screening checklists are intended for just that, screening. They let you know if you need further evaluation. They are not meant to replace the evaluation. They are not diagnostic tools. Think about it this way, a symptom can have a variety of causes. If you go to the doctor because you are walking with a limp, it might be for any number of reasons. You might have a sprained ankle, a hairline fracture or a pulled muscle. A good doctor will start with the symptom (limp) and work backward to find a cause. A good doctor or psychologist will do the same thing when presented with a child who is exhibiting these red flag behaviors. S/he won't simply diagnose based on the symptom itself. Some of the symptoms I'm reading about (e.g., mouth stuffing, not pointing) were a problem for my son too until we got him a good SI- based OT. He wasn't pointing because he had trouble coordinating deliberate movements with his hand and fingers (possibly because of " limb apraxia " and/or poor body awareness). After a short while of therapy he was pointing and signing, which led to a burst in language, which led to greater connectedness with others and stronger eye contact. After oral-motor work and exercises, he stopped stuffing his mouth with food. For my son these problems were sensory based and maybe also rooted in motor planning problems. We are still working on getting to the bottom of his issues, but with each successful therapy (or supplement) we use, he gets better, and everyone is amazed at how far he's come. The most important thing--in my opinion--is to seek out the therapies and treatments that will benefit your child, and I think you have to cast a wide net because even therapies that we associate with autism (e.g., ABA, Floortime) have been reported to work well with children who have different types of issues. Every child is different and there is no one perfect therapy that will work for every child regardless of the diagnosis. Good therapists (and therapists who are a good fit for your child) are crucial too. If you feel in your gut your child has autism or if you feel he will get better services with an autism diagnosis, then by all means, do what you feel is right. I just don't want people to read these posts and go into a panic thinking their children have autism because no one here is qualified to make that call (and if anyone is qualified, they surely wouldn't make a diagnosis for a child they've never even seen before). Okay, that's way more than my two cents! Kristi PS sorry if this gets sent twice. I'm having some trouble with tonight. > > I am curious as to what age did you find out that your son is autistic because he is extremely young now. Was it a developmental pediatrician, or who diagnosed him? > My son was diagnosed a year and a half ago with a severe receptive/expressive language disorder, and I often questioned whether he could be mildly autistic,but it has been r/o by a neurologist and a couple of speech pathologist. What type of behaviors does your son have to prove that he is mildly autistic? Does he say anything? My son probably had 4-6 words that were not always understood. He is 4yrs2mos and he can say a little over 100, maybe more, I really don't keep an accurate count. His probably is forming sentences. He's trying to string 3-4 words together,but very often not clear. There are a lot of words that you can definitely understand. He can spell his name,which is Pierce. He can also spell his sister's name,which is Jada. He has made alot of progress from a year ago, and from even 6mos ago. He has a long way to go, but I am here and God willing will continue to still be here and will hold his hand all the way through this. > > Benetta > > > Hi > My son's receptive language is progressing very well but he has not > added up to the 4 words he was able to say. He is 2.5 and mildly > autistic. > Could anybody give some piece of advice to what to do to help him to > talk. I am doing some works based on the book " More than words " with > him, but he seems has not taken off in his speaking yet. Any other > suggestion? > Thanks > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2006 Report Share Posted December 28, 2006 > > I'm seeing a lot of posts suggesting to people that their children > might have autism, and I feel compelled to play devil's advocate. I am also a devil's advocate on this topic, especially in the case of children who were adopted at a point later than birth and who bring with them memories of physical or psychological trauma. We had people saying to us for the longest time that our daughter, adopted at age 12 months, might be autistic as she had poor eye contact combined with delayed speech. Well, given her difficult history, caused first by some sort of physical trauma resulting in scarring while she was still with her birth parents, followed by our taking her away from her beloved foster mother with whom she had lived for 11 months, it's no wonder that she didn't trust people and was reluctant to communicate with them, either by eye contact or through language. She too had a problem with mouthing everything for a long, long time. But my daughter, who will be four next month, is definitely not autistic, and I cried with joy last week when she received a Christmas present from a boy at her daycare that had a gift tag signed " Love, your best friend.... " Sharon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2006 Report Share Posted December 28, 2006 Thank you for raising this very good point. This site has been very helpful in presenting me with an array of possibilities that I can discuss with her healthcare providers. This seems such a tricky area and the better informed the parent is the better they'll be at advocating for their child. One of the most difficult things is finding healthcare providers that you can trust, but now I have an idea of the type of professionals I should be seeking out. Thank you everyone that responded. > > > > I am curious as to what age did you find out that your son is > autistic because he is extremely young now. Was it a developmental > pediatrician, or who diagnosed him? > > My son was diagnosed a year and a half ago with a severe > receptive/expressive language disorder, and I often questioned > whether he could be mildly autistic,but it has been r/o by a > neurologist and a couple of speech pathologist. What type of > behaviors does your son have to prove that he is mildly autistic? > Does he say anything? My son probably had 4-6 words that were not > always understood. He is 4yrs2mos and he can say a little over 100, > maybe more, I really don't keep an accurate count. His probably is > forming sentences. He's trying to string 3-4 words together,but very > often not clear. There are a lot of words that you can definitely > understand. He can spell his name,which is Pierce. He can also spell > his sister's name,which is Jada. He has made alot of progress from a > year ago, and from even 6mos ago. He has a long way to go, but I am > here and God willing will continue to still be here and will hold > his hand all the way through this. > > > > Benetta > > > > > > Hi > > My son's receptive language is progressing very well but he has not > > added up to the 4 words he was able to say. He is 2.5 and mildly > > autistic. > > Could anybody give some piece of advice to what to do to help him > to > > talk. I am doing some works based on the book " More than words " > with > > him, but he seems has not taken off in his speaking yet. Any other > > suggestion? > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2006 Report Share Posted December 28, 2006 > > I'm seeing a lot of posts suggesting to people that their children > might have autism, and I feel compelled to play devil's advocate. I am also a devil's advocate on this topic, especially in the case of children who were adopted at a point later than birth and who bring with them memories of physical or psychological trauma. We had people saying to us for the longest time that our daughter, adopted at age 12 months, might be autistic as she had poor eye contact combined with delayed speech. Well, given her difficult history, caused first by some sort of physical trauma resulting in scarring while she was still with her birth parents, followed by our taking her away from her beloved foster mother with whom she had lived for 11 months, it's no wonder that she didn't trust people and was reluctant to communicate with them, either by eye contact or through language. She too had a problem with mouthing everything for a long, long time. But my daughter, who will be four next month, is definitely not autistic, and I cried with joy last week when she received a Christmas present from a boy at her daycare that had a gift tag signed " Love, your best friend.... " Sharon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2006 Report Share Posted December 28, 2006 Thank you for raising this very good point. This site has been very helpful in presenting me with an array of possibilities that I can discuss with her healthcare providers. This seems such a tricky area and the better informed the parent is the better they'll be at advocating for their child. One of the most difficult things is finding healthcare providers that you can trust, but now I have an idea of the type of professionals I should be seeking out. Thank you everyone that responded. > > > > I am curious as to what age did you find out that your son is > autistic because he is extremely young now. Was it a developmental > pediatrician, or who diagnosed him? > > My son was diagnosed a year and a half ago with a severe > receptive/expressive language disorder, and I often questioned > whether he could be mildly autistic,but it has been r/o by a > neurologist and a couple of speech pathologist. What type of > behaviors does your son have to prove that he is mildly autistic? > Does he say anything? My son probably had 4-6 words that were not > always understood. He is 4yrs2mos and he can say a little over 100, > maybe more, I really don't keep an accurate count. His probably is > forming sentences. He's trying to string 3-4 words together,but very > often not clear. There are a lot of words that you can definitely > understand. He can spell his name,which is Pierce. He can also spell > his sister's name,which is Jada. He has made alot of progress from a > year ago, and from even 6mos ago. He has a long way to go, but I am > here and God willing will continue to still be here and will hold > his hand all the way through this. > > > > Benetta > > > > > > Hi > > My son's receptive language is progressing very well but he has not > > added up to the 4 words he was able to say. He is 2.5 and mildly > > autistic. > > Could anybody give some piece of advice to what to do to help him > to > > talk. I am doing some works based on the book " More than words " > with > > him, but he seems has not taken off in his speaking yet. Any other > > suggestion? > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2006 Report Share Posted December 28, 2006 I completely concur, kristi - it IS a dumping ground for kids who " kinda walk like a duck, kinda sound like a duck. " The problem is that for many of our kids - mine included - there IS NO PROPER DIAGNOSIS for him. No broad-based, umbrella diagnosis fits him - even now that he's 7. Instead, we had him diagnosed with his core deficiencies despite many folks wanting him in one hole or another. I learned quickly that when the reported " experts " couldn't agree that it wasn't as black and white as some would have it. In our case, this worked fine, but for many who have lesser insurance coverage or must rely on EI and the school districts to cover therapies, it is solely the big, scary diagnoses that get things covered. I believe that it IS overdiagnosed but I also don't think that those of us who have " funky " kids deny that they need intervention. Unfortunately, without a diagnosis there generally isn't any therapy. I also concur that because our kids seem to lie in a no-man's land, it is important to investigate all available therapies - including ABA, RDI, floortime, etc. Some have been slammed as inappropriate for non-autistic kids, but I would argue that any therapy in the hands of a bad practitioner can be bad. The same way that finding a PROMPT therapist isn't necessary - finding someone who is great with your kid, great with you is the most important thing. Thanks for putting it so articulately - M > > > > I am curious as to what age did you find out that your son is > autistic because he is extremely young now. Was it a developmental > pediatrician, or who diagnosed him? > > My son was diagnosed a year and a half ago with a severe > receptive/expressive language disorder, and I often questioned > whether he could be mildly autistic,but it has been r/o by a > neurologist and a couple of speech pathologist. What type of > behaviors does your son have to prove that he is mildly autistic? > Does he say anything? My son probably had 4-6 words that were not > always understood. He is 4yrs2mos and he can say a little over 100, > maybe more, I really don't keep an accurate count. His probably is > forming sentences. He's trying to string 3-4 words together,but very > often not clear. There are a lot of words that you can definitely > understand. He can spell his name,which is Pierce. He can also spell > his sister's name,which is Jada. He has made alot of progress from a > year ago, and from even 6mos ago. He has a long way to go, but I am > here and God willing will continue to still be here and will hold > his hand all the way through this. > > > > Benetta > > > > > > Hi > > My son's receptive language is progressing very well but he has not > > added up to the 4 words he was able to say. He is 2.5 and mildly > > autistic. > > Could anybody give some piece of advice to what to do to help him > to > > talk. I am doing some works based on the book " More than words " > with > > him, but he seems has not taken off in his speaking yet. Any other > > suggestion? > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2006 Report Share Posted December 28, 2006 I completely concur, kristi - it IS a dumping ground for kids who " kinda walk like a duck, kinda sound like a duck. " The problem is that for many of our kids - mine included - there IS NO PROPER DIAGNOSIS for him. No broad-based, umbrella diagnosis fits him - even now that he's 7. Instead, we had him diagnosed with his core deficiencies despite many folks wanting him in one hole or another. I learned quickly that when the reported " experts " couldn't agree that it wasn't as black and white as some would have it. In our case, this worked fine, but for many who have lesser insurance coverage or must rely on EI and the school districts to cover therapies, it is solely the big, scary diagnoses that get things covered. I believe that it IS overdiagnosed but I also don't think that those of us who have " funky " kids deny that they need intervention. Unfortunately, without a diagnosis there generally isn't any therapy. I also concur that because our kids seem to lie in a no-man's land, it is important to investigate all available therapies - including ABA, RDI, floortime, etc. Some have been slammed as inappropriate for non-autistic kids, but I would argue that any therapy in the hands of a bad practitioner can be bad. The same way that finding a PROMPT therapist isn't necessary - finding someone who is great with your kid, great with you is the most important thing. Thanks for putting it so articulately - M > > > > I am curious as to what age did you find out that your son is > autistic because he is extremely young now. Was it a developmental > pediatrician, or who diagnosed him? > > My son was diagnosed a year and a half ago with a severe > receptive/expressive language disorder, and I often questioned > whether he could be mildly autistic,but it has been r/o by a > neurologist and a couple of speech pathologist. What type of > behaviors does your son have to prove that he is mildly autistic? > Does he say anything? My son probably had 4-6 words that were not > always understood. He is 4yrs2mos and he can say a little over 100, > maybe more, I really don't keep an accurate count. His probably is > forming sentences. He's trying to string 3-4 words together,but very > often not clear. There are a lot of words that you can definitely > understand. He can spell his name,which is Pierce. He can also spell > his sister's name,which is Jada. He has made alot of progress from a > year ago, and from even 6mos ago. He has a long way to go, but I am > here and God willing will continue to still be here and will hold > his hand all the way through this. > > > > Benetta > > > > > > Hi > > My son's receptive language is progressing very well but he has not > > added up to the 4 words he was able to say. He is 2.5 and mildly > > autistic. > > Could anybody give some piece of advice to what to do to help him > to > > talk. I am doing some works based on the book " More than words " > with > > him, but he seems has not taken off in his speaking yet. Any other > > suggestion? > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2006 Report Share Posted December 29, 2006 Kristi- I could not agree with you more. When she was 2 and prior to being dx-ed with apraxia, a well-meaning therapist told us that she thought had ASD. We panicked. She was found not to be on the autism spectrum at all and shortly thereafter, dx-ed with apraxia. " He wasn't pointing because he had trouble coordinating deliberate movements with his hand and fingers (possibly because of " limb apraxia " and/or poor body awareness). After a short while of therapy he was pointing and signing, which led to a burst in language, which led to greater connectedness with others and stronger eye contact. After oral-motor work and exercises, he stopped stuffing his mouth with food. For my son these problems were sensory based and maybe also rooted in motor planning problems. " This sounds VERY similar to as well. Add in that she was not at the time interested in pretending, either. Now that she is talking quite well, it is obvious that is not autistic. Her pretend play, eye contact, pointing and assertiveness have all markedly increased with the development of speech and language. It is VERY important to recognize and treat ASD as early as possible, for sure, but I really bristle sometimes when so many are quick to label a child with ASD when it might not be warranted. As our Developmental Pediatrician has told me, kids with ASD hand flap and toe walk, but kids who are NOT ASD do those things too. It is important to look deeper. _____________________ Warmly, Oakes-Hauf Mom to , 3.7 (verbal apraxia) and 1.5 (and talking away!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2006 Report Share Posted December 30, 2006 Kristi- I could not agree with you more. When she was 2 and prior to being dx-ed with apraxia, a well-meaning therapist told us that she thought had ASD. We panicked. She was found not to be on the autism spectrum at all and shortly thereafter, dx-ed with apraxia. " He wasn't pointing because he had trouble coordinating deliberate movements with his hand and fingers (possibly because of " limb apraxia " and/or poor body awareness). After a short while of therapy he was pointing and signing, which led to a burst in language, which led to greater connectedness with others and stronger eye contact. After oral-motor work and exercises, he stopped stuffing his mouth with food. For my son these problems were sensory based and maybe also rooted in motor planning problems. " This sounds VERY similar to as well. Add in that she was not at the time interested in pretending, either. Now that she is talking quite well, it is obvious that is not autistic. Her pretend play, eye contact, pointing and assertiveness have all markedly increased with the development of speech and language. It is VERY important to recognize and treat ASD as early as possible, for sure, but I really bristle sometimes when so many are quick to label a child with ASD when it might not be warranted. As our Developmental Pediatrician has told me, kids with ASD hand flap and toe walk, but kids who are NOT ASD do those things too. It is important to look deeper. _____________________ Warmly, Oakes-Hauf Mom to , 3.7 (verbal apraxia) and 1.5 (and talking away!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2006 Report Share Posted December 30, 2006 I agree , and I think this has happened to many of us. I would never suggest a parent " wait and see " or delay treatment if her child is showing any symptoms, but a diagnosis is not always necessary to provide treatment. It really just depends on your circumstances. I've read about parents of children with dyslexia who cannot get education supports or treatment through the school system for learning disorders, so they work around it (with cooperation from the school) by choosing an ASD diagnosis. It's ridiculous that they have to do that, but I would certainly also do whatever it took to get my child help, whatever his problem. In my case, an ASD diagnosis would only get my child placed in a special ed class and would ensure that I received no insurance coverage for any therapies. There is no one-size-fits all solution. My biggest concern with an incorrect autism diagnosis, is that expectations for the child can be lowered, and children have a way of living up to their expectations. > > Kristi- > > I could not agree with you more. When she was 2 and prior to being > dx-ed with apraxia, a well-meaning therapist told us that she thought > had ASD. We panicked. She was found not to be on the autism > spectrum at all and shortly thereafter, dx-ed with apraxia. > > " He wasn't pointing because he had trouble coordinating > deliberate movements with his hand and fingers (possibly because > of " limb apraxia " and/or poor body awareness). After a short while > of therapy he was pointing and signing, which led to a burst in > language, which led to greater connectedness with others and > stronger eye contact. After oral-motor work and exercises, he > stopped stuffing his mouth with food. For my son these problems > were sensory based and maybe also rooted in motor planning > problems. " > > This sounds VERY similar to as well. Add in that she was not at > the time interested in pretending, either. Now that she is talking > quite well, it is obvious that is not autistic. Her pretend > play, eye contact, pointing and assertiveness have all markedly > increased with the development of speech and language. > > It is VERY important to recognize and treat ASD as early as possible, > for sure, but I really bristle sometimes when so many are quick to label > a child with ASD when it might not be warranted. As our Developmental > Pediatrician has told me, kids with ASD hand flap and toe walk, but kids > who are NOT ASD do those things too. It is important to look deeper. > > _____________________ > Warmly, > Oakes-Hauf > Mom to , 3.7 (verbal apraxia) > and 1.5 (and talking away!) > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2006 Report Share Posted December 30, 2006 , I am just curious, based of what facts the therapist told you that your daughter was autistic. Did he use any standard diagnosis tests like ADI-R or ADOS? Jean __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2006 Report Share Posted December 30, 2006 I agree , and I think this has happened to many of us. I would never suggest a parent " wait and see " or delay treatment if her child is showing any symptoms, but a diagnosis is not always necessary to provide treatment. It really just depends on your circumstances. I've read about parents of children with dyslexia who cannot get education supports or treatment through the school system for learning disorders, so they work around it (with cooperation from the school) by choosing an ASD diagnosis. It's ridiculous that they have to do that, but I would certainly also do whatever it took to get my child help, whatever his problem. In my case, an ASD diagnosis would only get my child placed in a special ed class and would ensure that I received no insurance coverage for any therapies. There is no one-size-fits all solution. My biggest concern with an incorrect autism diagnosis, is that expectations for the child can be lowered, and children have a way of living up to their expectations. > > Kristi- > > I could not agree with you more. When she was 2 and prior to being > dx-ed with apraxia, a well-meaning therapist told us that she thought > had ASD. We panicked. She was found not to be on the autism > spectrum at all and shortly thereafter, dx-ed with apraxia. > > " He wasn't pointing because he had trouble coordinating > deliberate movements with his hand and fingers (possibly because > of " limb apraxia " and/or poor body awareness). After a short while > of therapy he was pointing and signing, which led to a burst in > language, which led to greater connectedness with others and > stronger eye contact. After oral-motor work and exercises, he > stopped stuffing his mouth with food. For my son these problems > were sensory based and maybe also rooted in motor planning > problems. " > > This sounds VERY similar to as well. Add in that she was not at > the time interested in pretending, either. Now that she is talking > quite well, it is obvious that is not autistic. Her pretend > play, eye contact, pointing and assertiveness have all markedly > increased with the development of speech and language. > > It is VERY important to recognize and treat ASD as early as possible, > for sure, but I really bristle sometimes when so many are quick to label > a child with ASD when it might not be warranted. As our Developmental > Pediatrician has told me, kids with ASD hand flap and toe walk, but kids > who are NOT ASD do those things too. It is important to look deeper. > > _____________________ > Warmly, > Oakes-Hauf > Mom to , 3.7 (verbal apraxia) > and 1.5 (and talking away!) > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2006 Report Share Posted December 30, 2006 , I am just curious, based of what facts the therapist told you that your daughter was autistic. Did he use any standard diagnosis tests like ADI-R or ADOS? Jean __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2006 Report Share Posted December 30, 2006 " My biggest concern with an incorrect autism diagnosis, is that expectations for the child can be lowered, and children have a way of living up to their expectations. " Great point and I totally agree. myjunkytrash wrote: > > I agree , and I think this has happened to many of us. I would > never suggest a parent " wait and see " or delay treatment if her > child is showing any symptoms, but a diagnosis is not always > necessary to provide treatment. It really just depends on your > circumstances. I've read about parents of children with dyslexia > who cannot get education supports or treatment through the school > system for learning disorders, so they work around it (with > cooperation from the school) by choosing an ASD diagnosis. It's > ridiculous that they have to do that, but I would certainly also do > whatever it took to get my child help, whatever his problem. In my > case, an ASD diagnosis would only get my child placed in a special > ed class and would ensure that I received no insurance coverage for > any therapies. There is no one-size-fits all solution. My biggest > concern with an incorrect autism diagnosis, is that expectations for > the child can be lowered, and children have a way of living up to > their expectations. > > > > > > Kristi- > > > > I could not agree with you more. When she was 2 and prior to > being > > dx-ed with apraxia, a well-meaning therapist told us that she > thought > > had ASD. We panicked. She was found not to be on the > autism > > spectrum at all and shortly thereafter, dx-ed with apraxia. > > > > " He wasn't pointing because he had trouble coordinating > > deliberate movements with his hand and fingers (possibly because > > of " limb apraxia " and/or poor body awareness). After a short while > > of therapy he was pointing and signing, which led to a burst in > > language, which led to greater connectedness with others and > > stronger eye contact. After oral-motor work and exercises, he > > stopped stuffing his mouth with food. For my son these problems > > were sensory based and maybe also rooted in motor planning > > problems. " > > > > This sounds VERY similar to as well. Add in that she was > not at > > the time interested in pretending, either. Now that she is > talking > > quite well, it is obvious that is not autistic. Her > pretend > > play, eye contact, pointing and assertiveness have all markedly > > increased with the development of speech and language. > > > > It is VERY important to recognize and treat ASD as early as > possible, > > for sure, but I really bristle sometimes when so many are quick to > label > > a child with ASD when it might not be warranted. As our > Developmental > > Pediatrician has told me, kids with ASD hand flap and toe walk, > but kids > > who are NOT ASD do those things too. It is important to look > deeper. > > > > _____________________ > > Warmly, > > Oakes-Hauf > > Mom to , 3.7 (verbal apraxia) > > and 1.5 (and talking away!) > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2006 Report Share Posted December 30, 2006 Hi Jean! Our therapist (a SEIT, actually) told us she suspected ASD, she didn't diagnose it. went through a neurodevelopmental evaluation with 2 Child Psychologists (PhDs) and our Developmental Pediatrician. They did the ADOS (the " gold standard " right now for ASD testing, or so they say) with and the M-CHAT with us. I have to say that I was very impressed with the testing and with the wonderful professionals that worked with us. We continue to see that same Developmental Pediatrician, who is prominent in the field of Autism and Autism research. She has taken an interest with and with the amazing progress that she has made since then. _____________________ Warmly, Oakes-Hauf Mom to , 3.7 (verbal apraxia) and 1.5 (and talking away!) wrote: > > > , > I am just curious, based of what facts the therapist told you that > your daughter was autistic. Did he use any standard diagnosis tests > like ADI-R or ADOS? > Jean > > __________________________________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2006 Report Share Posted December 30, 2006 Oh, as an aside, the reasons that our SEIT suspected ASD were that: * took quite a while to " warm up " to her therapists; * She did not have a lot of attention span, especially with " non-preferred " activities. She would, in fact, avoid those activities at times; * was a toe walker and did some mild hand flapping occasionally. By the time we went to do the evaluation, had made a " turnaround " and was interacting with her therapists and was getting " into the groove " of play-based therapy. It was almost like she turned on a dime and has never looked back. :-) Our SEIT later told me she had never seen anything quite like it. ____________ Warmly, Oakes-Hauf Mom to , 3.7 (verbal apraxia) and 1.5 (and talking away!) K. Oakes wrote: > > Hi Jean! > > Our therapist (a SEIT, actually) told us she suspected ASD, she didn't > diagnose it. went through a neurodevelopmental evaluation with > 2 Child Psychologists (PhDs) and our Developmental Pediatrician. They > did the ADOS (the " gold standard " right now for ASD testing, or so they > say) with and the M-CHAT with us. I have to say that I was > very impressed with the testing and with the wonderful professionals > that worked with us. We continue to see that same Developmental > Pediatrician, who is prominent in the field of Autism and Autism > research. She has taken an interest with and with the amazing > progress that she has made since then. > > _____________________ > Warmly, > Oakes-Hauf > Mom to , 3.7 (verbal apraxia) > and 1.5 (and talking away!) > > wrote: > > > > > > , > > I am just curious, based of what facts the therapist told you that > > your daughter was autistic. Did he use any standard diagnosis tests > > like ADI-R or ADOS? > > Jean > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2006 Report Share Posted December 31, 2006 " My biggest concern with an incorrect autism diagnosis, is that expectations for the child can be lowered, and children have a way of living up to their expectations. " Great point and I totally agree. myjunkytrash wrote: > > I agree , and I think this has happened to many of us. I would > never suggest a parent " wait and see " or delay treatment if her > child is showing any symptoms, but a diagnosis is not always > necessary to provide treatment. It really just depends on your > circumstances. I've read about parents of children with dyslexia > who cannot get education supports or treatment through the school > system for learning disorders, so they work around it (with > cooperation from the school) by choosing an ASD diagnosis. It's > ridiculous that they have to do that, but I would certainly also do > whatever it took to get my child help, whatever his problem. In my > case, an ASD diagnosis would only get my child placed in a special > ed class and would ensure that I received no insurance coverage for > any therapies. There is no one-size-fits all solution. My biggest > concern with an incorrect autism diagnosis, is that expectations for > the child can be lowered, and children have a way of living up to > their expectations. > > > > > > Kristi- > > > > I could not agree with you more. When she was 2 and prior to > being > > dx-ed with apraxia, a well-meaning therapist told us that she > thought > > had ASD. We panicked. She was found not to be on the > autism > > spectrum at all and shortly thereafter, dx-ed with apraxia. > > > > " He wasn't pointing because he had trouble coordinating > > deliberate movements with his hand and fingers (possibly because > > of " limb apraxia " and/or poor body awareness). After a short while > > of therapy he was pointing and signing, which led to a burst in > > language, which led to greater connectedness with others and > > stronger eye contact. After oral-motor work and exercises, he > > stopped stuffing his mouth with food. For my son these problems > > were sensory based and maybe also rooted in motor planning > > problems. " > > > > This sounds VERY similar to as well. Add in that she was > not at > > the time interested in pretending, either. Now that she is > talking > > quite well, it is obvious that is not autistic. Her > pretend > > play, eye contact, pointing and assertiveness have all markedly > > increased with the development of speech and language. > > > > It is VERY important to recognize and treat ASD as early as > possible, > > for sure, but I really bristle sometimes when so many are quick to > label > > a child with ASD when it might not be warranted. As our > Developmental > > Pediatrician has told me, kids with ASD hand flap and toe walk, > but kids > > who are NOT ASD do those things too. It is important to look > deeper. > > > > _____________________ > > Warmly, > > Oakes-Hauf > > Mom to , 3.7 (verbal apraxia) > > and 1.5 (and talking away!) > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2006 Report Share Posted December 31, 2006 Hi Jean! Our therapist (a SEIT, actually) told us she suspected ASD, she didn't diagnose it. went through a neurodevelopmental evaluation with 2 Child Psychologists (PhDs) and our Developmental Pediatrician. They did the ADOS (the " gold standard " right now for ASD testing, or so they say) with and the M-CHAT with us. I have to say that I was very impressed with the testing and with the wonderful professionals that worked with us. We continue to see that same Developmental Pediatrician, who is prominent in the field of Autism and Autism research. She has taken an interest with and with the amazing progress that she has made since then. _____________________ Warmly, Oakes-Hauf Mom to , 3.7 (verbal apraxia) and 1.5 (and talking away!) wrote: > > > , > I am just curious, based of what facts the therapist told you that > your daughter was autistic. Did he use any standard diagnosis tests > like ADI-R or ADOS? > Jean > > __________________________________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2006 Report Share Posted December 31, 2006 Oh, as an aside, the reasons that our SEIT suspected ASD were that: * took quite a while to " warm up " to her therapists; * She did not have a lot of attention span, especially with " non-preferred " activities. She would, in fact, avoid those activities at times; * was a toe walker and did some mild hand flapping occasionally. By the time we went to do the evaluation, had made a " turnaround " and was interacting with her therapists and was getting " into the groove " of play-based therapy. It was almost like she turned on a dime and has never looked back. :-) Our SEIT later told me she had never seen anything quite like it. ____________ Warmly, Oakes-Hauf Mom to , 3.7 (verbal apraxia) and 1.5 (and talking away!) K. Oakes wrote: > > Hi Jean! > > Our therapist (a SEIT, actually) told us she suspected ASD, she didn't > diagnose it. went through a neurodevelopmental evaluation with > 2 Child Psychologists (PhDs) and our Developmental Pediatrician. They > did the ADOS (the " gold standard " right now for ASD testing, or so they > say) with and the M-CHAT with us. I have to say that I was > very impressed with the testing and with the wonderful professionals > that worked with us. We continue to see that same Developmental > Pediatrician, who is prominent in the field of Autism and Autism > research. She has taken an interest with and with the amazing > progress that she has made since then. > > _____________________ > Warmly, > Oakes-Hauf > Mom to , 3.7 (verbal apraxia) > and 1.5 (and talking away!) > > wrote: > > > > > > , > > I am just curious, based of what facts the therapist told you that > > your daughter was autistic. Did he use any standard diagnosis tests > > like ADI-R or ADOS? > > Jean > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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