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I'm seeing a lot of posts suggesting to people that their children

might have autism, and I feel compelled to play devil's advocate.

This hits home to me because I have spent much of the past year and

a half worrying if my 2 and a half yr old son might have autism or

PDD. I've read through all the checklists (CHAT, M-CHAT, DSM IV),

read books, visited forums, talked to the EI therapists we work

with, talked to a developmental psychologist, a neurologist, a

couple of pediatricians and so on. What I have learned is that

while early intervention is very important for children who have

issues (apraxia, pdd, asd, etc), it can be difficult to diagnose and

tease out the cause of their symptoms at a young age. Lots of

symptoms overlap. Since it is now a spectrum disorder, there is a

big gray area within the autism spectrum and many, many experts feel

that it is being over-diagnosed. Part of the reason why is that

instead of performing thorough evaluations of children, people are

relying on screening checklists like the M-CHAT, and these screening

checklists are intended for just that, screening. They let you know

if you need further evaluation. They are not meant to replace the

evaluation. They are not diagnostic tools.

Think about it this way, a symptom can have a variety of causes. If

you go to the doctor because you are walking with a limp, it might

be for any number of reasons. You might have a sprained ankle, a

hairline fracture or a pulled muscle. A good doctor will start with

the symptom (limp) and work backward to find a cause. A good doctor

or psychologist will do the same thing when presented with a child

who is exhibiting these red flag behaviors. S/he won't simply

diagnose based on the symptom itself.

Some of the symptoms I'm reading about (e.g., mouth stuffing, not

pointing) were a problem for my son too until we got him a good SI-

based OT. He wasn't pointing because he had trouble coordinating

deliberate movements with his hand and fingers (possibly because

of " limb apraxia " and/or poor body awareness). After a short while

of therapy he was pointing and signing, which led to a burst in

language, which led to greater connectedness with others and

stronger eye contact. After oral-motor work and exercises, he

stopped stuffing his mouth with food. For my son these problems

were sensory based and maybe also rooted in motor planning

problems. We are still working on getting to the bottom of his

issues, but with each successful therapy (or supplement) we use, he

gets better, and everyone is amazed at how far he's come.

The most important thing--in my opinion--is to seek out the

therapies and treatments that will benefit your child, and I think

you have to cast a wide net because even therapies that we associate

with autism (e.g., ABA, Floortime) have been reported to work well

with children who have different types of issues. Every child is

different and there is no one perfect therapy that will work for

every child regardless of the diagnosis. Good therapists (and

therapists who are a good fit for your child) are crucial too.

If you feel in your gut your child has autism or if you feel he will

get better services with an autism diagnosis, then by all means, do

what you feel is right. I just don't want people to read these

posts and go into a panic thinking their children have autism

because no one here is qualified to make that call (and if anyone is

qualified, they surely wouldn't make a diagnosis for a child they've

never even seen before).

Okay, that's way more than my two cents!

Kristi

PS sorry if this gets sent twice. I'm having some trouble with

tonight.

>

> I am curious as to what age did you find out that your son is

autistic because he is extremely young now. Was it a developmental

pediatrician, or who diagnosed him?

> My son was diagnosed a year and a half ago with a severe

receptive/expressive language disorder, and I often questioned

whether he could be mildly autistic,but it has been r/o by a

neurologist and a couple of speech pathologist. What type of

behaviors does your son have to prove that he is mildly autistic?

Does he say anything? My son probably had 4-6 words that were not

always understood. He is 4yrs2mos and he can say a little over 100,

maybe more, I really don't keep an accurate count. His probably is

forming sentences. He's trying to string 3-4 words together,but very

often not clear. There are a lot of words that you can definitely

understand. He can spell his name,which is Pierce. He can also spell

his sister's name,which is Jada. He has made alot of progress from a

year ago, and from even 6mos ago. He has a long way to go, but I am

here and God willing will continue to still be here and will hold

his hand all the way through this.

>

> Benetta

>

>

> Hi

> My son's receptive language is progressing very well but he has not

> added up to the 4 words he was able to say. He is 2.5 and mildly

> autistic.

> Could anybody give some piece of advice to what to do to help him

to

> talk. I am doing some works based on the book " More than words "

with

> him, but he seems has not taken off in his speaking yet. Any other

> suggestion?

> Thanks

>

>

>

>

>

> __________________________________________________

>

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I'm seeing a lot of posts suggesting to people that their children

might have autism, and I feel compelled to play devil's advocate.

This hits home to me because I have spent much of the past year and

a half worrying if my 2 and a half yr old son might have autism or

PDD. I've read through all the checklists (CHAT, M-CHAT, DSM IV),

read books, visited forums, talked to the EI therapists we work

with, talked to a developmental psychologist, a neurologist, a

couple of pediatricians and so on. What I have learned is that

while early intervention is very important for children who have

issues (apraxia, pdd, asd, etc), it can be difficult to diagnose and

tease out the cause of their symptoms at a young age. Lots of

symptoms overlap. Since it is now a spectrum disorder, there is a

big gray area within the autism spectrum and many, many experts feel

that it is being over-diagnosed. Part of the reason why is that

instead of performing thorough evaluations of children, people are

relying on screening checklists like the M-CHAT, and these screening

checklists are intended for just that, screening. They let you know

if you need further evaluation. They are not meant to replace the

evaluation. They are not diagnostic tools.

Think about it this way, a symptom can have a variety of causes. If

you go to the doctor because you are walking with a limp, it might

be for any number of reasons. You might have a sprained ankle, a

hairline fracture or a pulled muscle. A good doctor will start with

the symptom (limp) and work backward to find a cause. A good doctor

or psychologist will do the same thing when presented with a child

who is exhibiting these red flag behaviors. S/he won't simply

diagnose based on the symptom itself.

Some of the symptoms I'm reading about (e.g., mouth stuffing, not

pointing) were a problem for my son too until we got him a good SI-

based OT. He wasn't pointing because he had trouble coordinating

deliberate movements with his hand and fingers (possibly because

of " limb apraxia " and/or poor body awareness). After a short while

of therapy he was pointing and signing, which led to a burst in

language, which led to greater connectedness with others and

stronger eye contact. After oral-motor work and exercises, he

stopped stuffing his mouth with food. For my son these problems

were sensory based and maybe also rooted in motor planning

problems. We are still working on getting to the bottom of his

issues, but with each successful therapy (or supplement) we use, he

gets better, and everyone is amazed at how far he's come.

The most important thing--in my opinion--is to seek out the

therapies and treatments that will benefit your child, and I think

you have to cast a wide net because even therapies that we associate

with autism (e.g., ABA, Floortime) have been reported to work well

with children who have different types of issues. Every child is

different and there is no one perfect therapy that will work for

every child regardless of the diagnosis. Good therapists (and

therapists who are a good fit for your child) are crucial too.

If you feel in your gut your child has autism or if you feel he will

get better services with an autism diagnosis, then by all means, do

what you feel is right. I just don't want people to read these

posts and go into a panic thinking their children have autism

because no one here is qualified to make that call (and if anyone is

qualified, they surely wouldn't make a diagnosis for a child they've

never even seen before).

Okay, that's way more than my two cents!

Kristi

PS sorry if this gets sent twice. I'm having some trouble with

tonight.

>

> I am curious as to what age did you find out that your son is

autistic because he is extremely young now. Was it a developmental

pediatrician, or who diagnosed him?

> My son was diagnosed a year and a half ago with a severe

receptive/expressive language disorder, and I often questioned

whether he could be mildly autistic,but it has been r/o by a

neurologist and a couple of speech pathologist. What type of

behaviors does your son have to prove that he is mildly autistic?

Does he say anything? My son probably had 4-6 words that were not

always understood. He is 4yrs2mos and he can say a little over 100,

maybe more, I really don't keep an accurate count. His probably is

forming sentences. He's trying to string 3-4 words together,but very

often not clear. There are a lot of words that you can definitely

understand. He can spell his name,which is Pierce. He can also spell

his sister's name,which is Jada. He has made alot of progress from a

year ago, and from even 6mos ago. He has a long way to go, but I am

here and God willing will continue to still be here and will hold

his hand all the way through this.

>

> Benetta

>

>

> Hi

> My son's receptive language is progressing very well but he has not

> added up to the 4 words he was able to say. He is 2.5 and mildly

> autistic.

> Could anybody give some piece of advice to what to do to help him

to

> talk. I am doing some works based on the book " More than words "

with

> him, but he seems has not taken off in his speaking yet. Any other

> suggestion?

> Thanks

>

>

>

>

>

> __________________________________________________

>

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> I'm seeing a lot of posts suggesting to people that their children

> might have autism, and I feel compelled to play devil's advocate.

I am also a devil's advocate on this topic, especially in the case of

children who were adopted at a point later than birth and who bring

with them memories of physical or psychological trauma.

We had people saying to us for the longest time that our daughter,

adopted at age 12 months, might be autistic as she had poor eye

contact combined with delayed speech. Well, given her difficult

history, caused first by some sort of physical trauma resulting in

scarring while she was still with her birth parents, followed by our

taking her away from her beloved foster mother with whom she had lived

for 11 months, it's no wonder that she didn't trust people and was

reluctant to communicate with them, either by eye contact or through

language. She too had a problem with mouthing everything for a long,

long time.

But my daughter, who will be four next month, is definitely not

autistic, and I cried with joy last week when she received a Christmas

present from a boy at her daycare that had a gift tag signed " Love,

your best friend.... "

Sharon

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Thank you for raising this very good point. This site has been very

helpful in presenting me with an array of possibilities that I can

discuss with her healthcare providers. This seems such a tricky area

and the better informed the parent is the better they'll be at

advocating for their child. One of the most difficult things is

finding healthcare providers that you can trust, but now I have an

idea of the type of professionals I should be seeking out.

Thank you everyone that responded.

> >

> > I am curious as to what age did you find out that your son is

> autistic because he is extremely young now. Was it a developmental

> pediatrician, or who diagnosed him?

> > My son was diagnosed a year and a half ago with a severe

> receptive/expressive language disorder, and I often questioned

> whether he could be mildly autistic,but it has been r/o by a

> neurologist and a couple of speech pathologist. What type of

> behaviors does your son have to prove that he is mildly autistic?

> Does he say anything? My son probably had 4-6 words that were not

> always understood. He is 4yrs2mos and he can say a little over 100,

> maybe more, I really don't keep an accurate count. His probably is

> forming sentences. He's trying to string 3-4 words together,but very

> often not clear. There are a lot of words that you can definitely

> understand. He can spell his name,which is Pierce. He can also spell

> his sister's name,which is Jada. He has made alot of progress from a

> year ago, and from even 6mos ago. He has a long way to go, but I am

> here and God willing will continue to still be here and will hold

> his hand all the way through this.

> >

> > Benetta

> >

> >

> > Hi

> > My son's receptive language is progressing very well but he has not

> > added up to the 4 words he was able to say. He is 2.5 and mildly

> > autistic.

> > Could anybody give some piece of advice to what to do to help him

> to

> > talk. I am doing some works based on the book " More than words "

> with

> > him, but he seems has not taken off in his speaking yet. Any other

> > suggestion?

> > Thanks

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > __________________________________________________

> >

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> I'm seeing a lot of posts suggesting to people that their children

> might have autism, and I feel compelled to play devil's advocate.

I am also a devil's advocate on this topic, especially in the case of

children who were adopted at a point later than birth and who bring

with them memories of physical or psychological trauma.

We had people saying to us for the longest time that our daughter,

adopted at age 12 months, might be autistic as she had poor eye

contact combined with delayed speech. Well, given her difficult

history, caused first by some sort of physical trauma resulting in

scarring while she was still with her birth parents, followed by our

taking her away from her beloved foster mother with whom she had lived

for 11 months, it's no wonder that she didn't trust people and was

reluctant to communicate with them, either by eye contact or through

language. She too had a problem with mouthing everything for a long,

long time.

But my daughter, who will be four next month, is definitely not

autistic, and I cried with joy last week when she received a Christmas

present from a boy at her daycare that had a gift tag signed " Love,

your best friend.... "

Sharon

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Thank you for raising this very good point. This site has been very

helpful in presenting me with an array of possibilities that I can

discuss with her healthcare providers. This seems such a tricky area

and the better informed the parent is the better they'll be at

advocating for their child. One of the most difficult things is

finding healthcare providers that you can trust, but now I have an

idea of the type of professionals I should be seeking out.

Thank you everyone that responded.

> >

> > I am curious as to what age did you find out that your son is

> autistic because he is extremely young now. Was it a developmental

> pediatrician, or who diagnosed him?

> > My son was diagnosed a year and a half ago with a severe

> receptive/expressive language disorder, and I often questioned

> whether he could be mildly autistic,but it has been r/o by a

> neurologist and a couple of speech pathologist. What type of

> behaviors does your son have to prove that he is mildly autistic?

> Does he say anything? My son probably had 4-6 words that were not

> always understood. He is 4yrs2mos and he can say a little over 100,

> maybe more, I really don't keep an accurate count. His probably is

> forming sentences. He's trying to string 3-4 words together,but very

> often not clear. There are a lot of words that you can definitely

> understand. He can spell his name,which is Pierce. He can also spell

> his sister's name,which is Jada. He has made alot of progress from a

> year ago, and from even 6mos ago. He has a long way to go, but I am

> here and God willing will continue to still be here and will hold

> his hand all the way through this.

> >

> > Benetta

> >

> >

> > Hi

> > My son's receptive language is progressing very well but he has not

> > added up to the 4 words he was able to say. He is 2.5 and mildly

> > autistic.

> > Could anybody give some piece of advice to what to do to help him

> to

> > talk. I am doing some works based on the book " More than words "

> with

> > him, but he seems has not taken off in his speaking yet. Any other

> > suggestion?

> > Thanks

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > __________________________________________________

> >

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I completely concur, kristi - it IS a dumping ground for kids

who " kinda walk like a duck, kinda sound like a duck. " The problem

is that for many of our kids - mine included - there IS NO PROPER

DIAGNOSIS for him. No broad-based, umbrella diagnosis fits him -

even now that he's 7. Instead, we had him diagnosed with his core

deficiencies despite many folks wanting him in one hole or another.

I learned quickly that when the reported " experts " couldn't agree

that it wasn't as black and white as some would have it. In our

case, this worked fine, but for many who have lesser insurance

coverage or must rely on EI and the school districts to cover

therapies, it is solely the big, scary diagnoses that get things

covered. I believe that it IS overdiagnosed but I also don't think

that those of us who have " funky " kids deny that they need

intervention. Unfortunately, without a diagnosis there generally

isn't any therapy.

I also concur that because our kids seem to lie in a no-man's land,

it is important to investigate all available therapies - including

ABA, RDI, floortime, etc. Some have been slammed as inappropriate

for non-autistic kids, but I would argue that any therapy in the

hands of a bad practitioner can be bad. The same way that finding a

PROMPT therapist isn't necessary - finding someone who is great with

your kid, great with you is the most important thing.

Thanks for putting it so articulately -

M

> >

> > I am curious as to what age did you find out that your son is

> autistic because he is extremely young now. Was it a developmental

> pediatrician, or who diagnosed him?

> > My son was diagnosed a year and a half ago with a severe

> receptive/expressive language disorder, and I often questioned

> whether he could be mildly autistic,but it has been r/o by a

> neurologist and a couple of speech pathologist. What type of

> behaviors does your son have to prove that he is mildly autistic?

> Does he say anything? My son probably had 4-6 words that were not

> always understood. He is 4yrs2mos and he can say a little over 100,

> maybe more, I really don't keep an accurate count. His probably is

> forming sentences. He's trying to string 3-4 words together,but

very

> often not clear. There are a lot of words that you can definitely

> understand. He can spell his name,which is Pierce. He can also

spell

> his sister's name,which is Jada. He has made alot of progress from

a

> year ago, and from even 6mos ago. He has a long way to go, but I am

> here and God willing will continue to still be here and will hold

> his hand all the way through this.

> >

> > Benetta

> >

> >

> > Hi

> > My son's receptive language is progressing very well but he has

not

> > added up to the 4 words he was able to say. He is 2.5 and mildly

> > autistic.

> > Could anybody give some piece of advice to what to do to help him

> to

> > talk. I am doing some works based on the book " More than words "

> with

> > him, but he seems has not taken off in his speaking yet. Any other

> > suggestion?

> > Thanks

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > __________________________________________________

> >

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I completely concur, kristi - it IS a dumping ground for kids

who " kinda walk like a duck, kinda sound like a duck. " The problem

is that for many of our kids - mine included - there IS NO PROPER

DIAGNOSIS for him. No broad-based, umbrella diagnosis fits him -

even now that he's 7. Instead, we had him diagnosed with his core

deficiencies despite many folks wanting him in one hole or another.

I learned quickly that when the reported " experts " couldn't agree

that it wasn't as black and white as some would have it. In our

case, this worked fine, but for many who have lesser insurance

coverage or must rely on EI and the school districts to cover

therapies, it is solely the big, scary diagnoses that get things

covered. I believe that it IS overdiagnosed but I also don't think

that those of us who have " funky " kids deny that they need

intervention. Unfortunately, without a diagnosis there generally

isn't any therapy.

I also concur that because our kids seem to lie in a no-man's land,

it is important to investigate all available therapies - including

ABA, RDI, floortime, etc. Some have been slammed as inappropriate

for non-autistic kids, but I would argue that any therapy in the

hands of a bad practitioner can be bad. The same way that finding a

PROMPT therapist isn't necessary - finding someone who is great with

your kid, great with you is the most important thing.

Thanks for putting it so articulately -

M

> >

> > I am curious as to what age did you find out that your son is

> autistic because he is extremely young now. Was it a developmental

> pediatrician, or who diagnosed him?

> > My son was diagnosed a year and a half ago with a severe

> receptive/expressive language disorder, and I often questioned

> whether he could be mildly autistic,but it has been r/o by a

> neurologist and a couple of speech pathologist. What type of

> behaviors does your son have to prove that he is mildly autistic?

> Does he say anything? My son probably had 4-6 words that were not

> always understood. He is 4yrs2mos and he can say a little over 100,

> maybe more, I really don't keep an accurate count. His probably is

> forming sentences. He's trying to string 3-4 words together,but

very

> often not clear. There are a lot of words that you can definitely

> understand. He can spell his name,which is Pierce. He can also

spell

> his sister's name,which is Jada. He has made alot of progress from

a

> year ago, and from even 6mos ago. He has a long way to go, but I am

> here and God willing will continue to still be here and will hold

> his hand all the way through this.

> >

> > Benetta

> >

> >

> > Hi

> > My son's receptive language is progressing very well but he has

not

> > added up to the 4 words he was able to say. He is 2.5 and mildly

> > autistic.

> > Could anybody give some piece of advice to what to do to help him

> to

> > talk. I am doing some works based on the book " More than words "

> with

> > him, but he seems has not taken off in his speaking yet. Any other

> > suggestion?

> > Thanks

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > __________________________________________________

> >

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Kristi-

I could not agree with you more. When she was 2 and prior to being

dx-ed with apraxia, a well-meaning therapist told us that she thought

had ASD. We panicked. She was found not to be on the autism

spectrum at all and shortly thereafter, dx-ed with apraxia.

" He wasn't pointing because he had trouble coordinating

deliberate movements with his hand and fingers (possibly because

of " limb apraxia " and/or poor body awareness). After a short while

of therapy he was pointing and signing, which led to a burst in

language, which led to greater connectedness with others and

stronger eye contact. After oral-motor work and exercises, he

stopped stuffing his mouth with food. For my son these problems

were sensory based and maybe also rooted in motor planning

problems. "

This sounds VERY similar to as well. Add in that she was not at

the time interested in pretending, either. Now that she is talking

quite well, it is obvious that is not autistic. Her pretend

play, eye contact, pointing and assertiveness have all markedly

increased with the development of speech and language.

It is VERY important to recognize and treat ASD as early as possible,

for sure, but I really bristle sometimes when so many are quick to label

a child with ASD when it might not be warranted. As our Developmental

Pediatrician has told me, kids with ASD hand flap and toe walk, but kids

who are NOT ASD do those things too. It is important to look deeper.

_____________________

Warmly,

Oakes-Hauf

Mom to , 3.7 (verbal apraxia)

and 1.5 (and talking away!)

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Kristi-

I could not agree with you more. When she was 2 and prior to being

dx-ed with apraxia, a well-meaning therapist told us that she thought

had ASD. We panicked. She was found not to be on the autism

spectrum at all and shortly thereafter, dx-ed with apraxia.

" He wasn't pointing because he had trouble coordinating

deliberate movements with his hand and fingers (possibly because

of " limb apraxia " and/or poor body awareness). After a short while

of therapy he was pointing and signing, which led to a burst in

language, which led to greater connectedness with others and

stronger eye contact. After oral-motor work and exercises, he

stopped stuffing his mouth with food. For my son these problems

were sensory based and maybe also rooted in motor planning

problems. "

This sounds VERY similar to as well. Add in that she was not at

the time interested in pretending, either. Now that she is talking

quite well, it is obvious that is not autistic. Her pretend

play, eye contact, pointing and assertiveness have all markedly

increased with the development of speech and language.

It is VERY important to recognize and treat ASD as early as possible,

for sure, but I really bristle sometimes when so many are quick to label

a child with ASD when it might not be warranted. As our Developmental

Pediatrician has told me, kids with ASD hand flap and toe walk, but kids

who are NOT ASD do those things too. It is important to look deeper.

_____________________

Warmly,

Oakes-Hauf

Mom to , 3.7 (verbal apraxia)

and 1.5 (and talking away!)

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I agree , and I think this has happened to many of us. I would

never suggest a parent " wait and see " or delay treatment if her

child is showing any symptoms, but a diagnosis is not always

necessary to provide treatment. It really just depends on your

circumstances. I've read about parents of children with dyslexia

who cannot get education supports or treatment through the school

system for learning disorders, so they work around it (with

cooperation from the school) by choosing an ASD diagnosis. It's

ridiculous that they have to do that, but I would certainly also do

whatever it took to get my child help, whatever his problem. In my

case, an ASD diagnosis would only get my child placed in a special

ed class and would ensure that I received no insurance coverage for

any therapies. There is no one-size-fits all solution. My biggest

concern with an incorrect autism diagnosis, is that expectations for

the child can be lowered, and children have a way of living up to

their expectations.

>

> Kristi-

>

> I could not agree with you more. When she was 2 and prior to

being

> dx-ed with apraxia, a well-meaning therapist told us that she

thought

> had ASD. We panicked. She was found not to be on the

autism

> spectrum at all and shortly thereafter, dx-ed with apraxia.

>

> " He wasn't pointing because he had trouble coordinating

> deliberate movements with his hand and fingers (possibly because

> of " limb apraxia " and/or poor body awareness). After a short while

> of therapy he was pointing and signing, which led to a burst in

> language, which led to greater connectedness with others and

> stronger eye contact. After oral-motor work and exercises, he

> stopped stuffing his mouth with food. For my son these problems

> were sensory based and maybe also rooted in motor planning

> problems. "

>

> This sounds VERY similar to as well. Add in that she was

not at

> the time interested in pretending, either. Now that she is

talking

> quite well, it is obvious that is not autistic. Her

pretend

> play, eye contact, pointing and assertiveness have all markedly

> increased with the development of speech and language.

>

> It is VERY important to recognize and treat ASD as early as

possible,

> for sure, but I really bristle sometimes when so many are quick to

label

> a child with ASD when it might not be warranted. As our

Developmental

> Pediatrician has told me, kids with ASD hand flap and toe walk,

but kids

> who are NOT ASD do those things too. It is important to look

deeper.

>

> _____________________

> Warmly,

> Oakes-Hauf

> Mom to , 3.7 (verbal apraxia)

> and 1.5 (and talking away!)

>

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I am just curious, based of what facts the therapist told you that your

daughter was autistic. Did he use any standard diagnosis tests like ADI-R or

ADOS?

Jean

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I agree , and I think this has happened to many of us. I would

never suggest a parent " wait and see " or delay treatment if her

child is showing any symptoms, but a diagnosis is not always

necessary to provide treatment. It really just depends on your

circumstances. I've read about parents of children with dyslexia

who cannot get education supports or treatment through the school

system for learning disorders, so they work around it (with

cooperation from the school) by choosing an ASD diagnosis. It's

ridiculous that they have to do that, but I would certainly also do

whatever it took to get my child help, whatever his problem. In my

case, an ASD diagnosis would only get my child placed in a special

ed class and would ensure that I received no insurance coverage for

any therapies. There is no one-size-fits all solution. My biggest

concern with an incorrect autism diagnosis, is that expectations for

the child can be lowered, and children have a way of living up to

their expectations.

>

> Kristi-

>

> I could not agree with you more. When she was 2 and prior to

being

> dx-ed with apraxia, a well-meaning therapist told us that she

thought

> had ASD. We panicked. She was found not to be on the

autism

> spectrum at all and shortly thereafter, dx-ed with apraxia.

>

> " He wasn't pointing because he had trouble coordinating

> deliberate movements with his hand and fingers (possibly because

> of " limb apraxia " and/or poor body awareness). After a short while

> of therapy he was pointing and signing, which led to a burst in

> language, which led to greater connectedness with others and

> stronger eye contact. After oral-motor work and exercises, he

> stopped stuffing his mouth with food. For my son these problems

> were sensory based and maybe also rooted in motor planning

> problems. "

>

> This sounds VERY similar to as well. Add in that she was

not at

> the time interested in pretending, either. Now that she is

talking

> quite well, it is obvious that is not autistic. Her

pretend

> play, eye contact, pointing and assertiveness have all markedly

> increased with the development of speech and language.

>

> It is VERY important to recognize and treat ASD as early as

possible,

> for sure, but I really bristle sometimes when so many are quick to

label

> a child with ASD when it might not be warranted. As our

Developmental

> Pediatrician has told me, kids with ASD hand flap and toe walk,

but kids

> who are NOT ASD do those things too. It is important to look

deeper.

>

> _____________________

> Warmly,

> Oakes-Hauf

> Mom to , 3.7 (verbal apraxia)

> and 1.5 (and talking away!)

>

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,

I am just curious, based of what facts the therapist told you that your

daughter was autistic. Did he use any standard diagnosis tests like ADI-R or

ADOS?

Jean

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" My biggest

concern with an incorrect autism diagnosis, is that expectations for

the child can be lowered, and children have a way of living up to

their expectations. "

Great point and I totally agree.

myjunkytrash wrote:

>

> I agree , and I think this has happened to many of us. I would

> never suggest a parent " wait and see " or delay treatment if her

> child is showing any symptoms, but a diagnosis is not always

> necessary to provide treatment. It really just depends on your

> circumstances. I've read about parents of children with dyslexia

> who cannot get education supports or treatment through the school

> system for learning disorders, so they work around it (with

> cooperation from the school) by choosing an ASD diagnosis. It's

> ridiculous that they have to do that, but I would certainly also do

> whatever it took to get my child help, whatever his problem. In my

> case, an ASD diagnosis would only get my child placed in a special

> ed class and would ensure that I received no insurance coverage for

> any therapies. There is no one-size-fits all solution. My biggest

> concern with an incorrect autism diagnosis, is that expectations for

> the child can be lowered, and children have a way of living up to

> their expectations.

>

>

> >

> > Kristi-

> >

> > I could not agree with you more. When she was 2 and prior to

> being

> > dx-ed with apraxia, a well-meaning therapist told us that she

> thought

> > had ASD. We panicked. She was found not to be on the

> autism

> > spectrum at all and shortly thereafter, dx-ed with apraxia.

> >

> > " He wasn't pointing because he had trouble coordinating

> > deliberate movements with his hand and fingers (possibly because

> > of " limb apraxia " and/or poor body awareness). After a short while

> > of therapy he was pointing and signing, which led to a burst in

> > language, which led to greater connectedness with others and

> > stronger eye contact. After oral-motor work and exercises, he

> > stopped stuffing his mouth with food. For my son these problems

> > were sensory based and maybe also rooted in motor planning

> > problems. "

> >

> > This sounds VERY similar to as well. Add in that she was

> not at

> > the time interested in pretending, either. Now that she is

> talking

> > quite well, it is obvious that is not autistic. Her

> pretend

> > play, eye contact, pointing and assertiveness have all markedly

> > increased with the development of speech and language.

> >

> > It is VERY important to recognize and treat ASD as early as

> possible,

> > for sure, but I really bristle sometimes when so many are quick to

> label

> > a child with ASD when it might not be warranted. As our

> Developmental

> > Pediatrician has told me, kids with ASD hand flap and toe walk,

> but kids

> > who are NOT ASD do those things too. It is important to look

> deeper.

> >

> > _____________________

> > Warmly,

> > Oakes-Hauf

> > Mom to , 3.7 (verbal apraxia)

> > and 1.5 (and talking away!)

> >

>

>

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Hi Jean!

Our therapist (a SEIT, actually) told us she suspected ASD, she didn't

diagnose it. went through a neurodevelopmental evaluation with

2 Child Psychologists (PhDs) and our Developmental Pediatrician. They

did the ADOS (the " gold standard " right now for ASD testing, or so they

say) with and the M-CHAT with us. I have to say that I was

very impressed with the testing and with the wonderful professionals

that worked with us. We continue to see that same Developmental

Pediatrician, who is prominent in the field of Autism and Autism

research. She has taken an interest with and with the amazing

progress that she has made since then.

_____________________

Warmly,

Oakes-Hauf

Mom to , 3.7 (verbal apraxia)

and 1.5 (and talking away!)

wrote:

>

>

> ,

> I am just curious, based of what facts the therapist told you that

> your daughter was autistic. Did he use any standard diagnosis tests

> like ADI-R or ADOS?

> Jean

>

> __________________________________________________

>

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Oh, as an aside, the reasons that our SEIT suspected ASD were that:

* took quite a while to " warm up " to her therapists;

* She did not have a lot of attention span, especially with

" non-preferred " activities. She would, in fact, avoid those

activities at times;

* was a toe walker and did some mild hand flapping occasionally.

By the time we went to do the evaluation, had made a

" turnaround " and was interacting with her therapists and was getting

" into the groove " of play-based therapy. It was almost like she turned

on a dime and has never looked back. :-) Our SEIT later told me she

had never seen anything quite like it.

____________

Warmly,

Oakes-Hauf

Mom to , 3.7 (verbal apraxia)

and 1.5 (and talking away!)

K. Oakes wrote:

>

> Hi Jean!

>

> Our therapist (a SEIT, actually) told us she suspected ASD, she didn't

> diagnose it. went through a neurodevelopmental evaluation with

> 2 Child Psychologists (PhDs) and our Developmental Pediatrician. They

> did the ADOS (the " gold standard " right now for ASD testing, or so they

> say) with and the M-CHAT with us. I have to say that I was

> very impressed with the testing and with the wonderful professionals

> that worked with us. We continue to see that same Developmental

> Pediatrician, who is prominent in the field of Autism and Autism

> research. She has taken an interest with and with the amazing

> progress that she has made since then.

>

> _____________________

> Warmly,

> Oakes-Hauf

> Mom to , 3.7 (verbal apraxia)

> and 1.5 (and talking away!)

>

> wrote:

> >

> >

> > ,

> > I am just curious, based of what facts the therapist told you that

> > your daughter was autistic. Did he use any standard diagnosis tests

> > like ADI-R or ADOS?

> > Jean

> >

> > __________________________________________________

> >

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" My biggest

concern with an incorrect autism diagnosis, is that expectations for

the child can be lowered, and children have a way of living up to

their expectations. "

Great point and I totally agree.

myjunkytrash wrote:

>

> I agree , and I think this has happened to many of us. I would

> never suggest a parent " wait and see " or delay treatment if her

> child is showing any symptoms, but a diagnosis is not always

> necessary to provide treatment. It really just depends on your

> circumstances. I've read about parents of children with dyslexia

> who cannot get education supports or treatment through the school

> system for learning disorders, so they work around it (with

> cooperation from the school) by choosing an ASD diagnosis. It's

> ridiculous that they have to do that, but I would certainly also do

> whatever it took to get my child help, whatever his problem. In my

> case, an ASD diagnosis would only get my child placed in a special

> ed class and would ensure that I received no insurance coverage for

> any therapies. There is no one-size-fits all solution. My biggest

> concern with an incorrect autism diagnosis, is that expectations for

> the child can be lowered, and children have a way of living up to

> their expectations.

>

>

> >

> > Kristi-

> >

> > I could not agree with you more. When she was 2 and prior to

> being

> > dx-ed with apraxia, a well-meaning therapist told us that she

> thought

> > had ASD. We panicked. She was found not to be on the

> autism

> > spectrum at all and shortly thereafter, dx-ed with apraxia.

> >

> > " He wasn't pointing because he had trouble coordinating

> > deliberate movements with his hand and fingers (possibly because

> > of " limb apraxia " and/or poor body awareness). After a short while

> > of therapy he was pointing and signing, which led to a burst in

> > language, which led to greater connectedness with others and

> > stronger eye contact. After oral-motor work and exercises, he

> > stopped stuffing his mouth with food. For my son these problems

> > were sensory based and maybe also rooted in motor planning

> > problems. "

> >

> > This sounds VERY similar to as well. Add in that she was

> not at

> > the time interested in pretending, either. Now that she is

> talking

> > quite well, it is obvious that is not autistic. Her

> pretend

> > play, eye contact, pointing and assertiveness have all markedly

> > increased with the development of speech and language.

> >

> > It is VERY important to recognize and treat ASD as early as

> possible,

> > for sure, but I really bristle sometimes when so many are quick to

> label

> > a child with ASD when it might not be warranted. As our

> Developmental

> > Pediatrician has told me, kids with ASD hand flap and toe walk,

> but kids

> > who are NOT ASD do those things too. It is important to look

> deeper.

> >

> > _____________________

> > Warmly,

> > Oakes-Hauf

> > Mom to , 3.7 (verbal apraxia)

> > and 1.5 (and talking away!)

> >

>

>

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Hi Jean!

Our therapist (a SEIT, actually) told us she suspected ASD, she didn't

diagnose it. went through a neurodevelopmental evaluation with

2 Child Psychologists (PhDs) and our Developmental Pediatrician. They

did the ADOS (the " gold standard " right now for ASD testing, or so they

say) with and the M-CHAT with us. I have to say that I was

very impressed with the testing and with the wonderful professionals

that worked with us. We continue to see that same Developmental

Pediatrician, who is prominent in the field of Autism and Autism

research. She has taken an interest with and with the amazing

progress that she has made since then.

_____________________

Warmly,

Oakes-Hauf

Mom to , 3.7 (verbal apraxia)

and 1.5 (and talking away!)

wrote:

>

>

> ,

> I am just curious, based of what facts the therapist told you that

> your daughter was autistic. Did he use any standard diagnosis tests

> like ADI-R or ADOS?

> Jean

>

> __________________________________________________

>

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Oh, as an aside, the reasons that our SEIT suspected ASD were that:

* took quite a while to " warm up " to her therapists;

* She did not have a lot of attention span, especially with

" non-preferred " activities. She would, in fact, avoid those

activities at times;

* was a toe walker and did some mild hand flapping occasionally.

By the time we went to do the evaluation, had made a

" turnaround " and was interacting with her therapists and was getting

" into the groove " of play-based therapy. It was almost like she turned

on a dime and has never looked back. :-) Our SEIT later told me she

had never seen anything quite like it.

____________

Warmly,

Oakes-Hauf

Mom to , 3.7 (verbal apraxia)

and 1.5 (and talking away!)

K. Oakes wrote:

>

> Hi Jean!

>

> Our therapist (a SEIT, actually) told us she suspected ASD, she didn't

> diagnose it. went through a neurodevelopmental evaluation with

> 2 Child Psychologists (PhDs) and our Developmental Pediatrician. They

> did the ADOS (the " gold standard " right now for ASD testing, or so they

> say) with and the M-CHAT with us. I have to say that I was

> very impressed with the testing and with the wonderful professionals

> that worked with us. We continue to see that same Developmental

> Pediatrician, who is prominent in the field of Autism and Autism

> research. She has taken an interest with and with the amazing

> progress that she has made since then.

>

> _____________________

> Warmly,

> Oakes-Hauf

> Mom to , 3.7 (verbal apraxia)

> and 1.5 (and talking away!)

>

> wrote:

> >

> >

> > ,

> > I am just curious, based of what facts the therapist told you that

> > your daughter was autistic. Did he use any standard diagnosis tests

> > like ADI-R or ADOS?

> > Jean

> >

> > __________________________________________________

> >

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