NPR Talk of the Nation - Deaf Culture

[Guest guest]

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to me:

Thank you for contacting NPR's Talk of the Nation.

NPR's Talk of the Nation will devote the entire two-hour program on

Thursday, October 12, to a discussion on deaf culture and

education. Hour One will feature an interview with Dr. I. King

Jordan, the retiring president of Gallaudet University, the world's

only university dedicated to the education of deaf and hard of

hearing students. In his interview with Talk of the Nation's Neal

Conan, Dr. Jordan will discuss his legacy and the

current controversy over the appointment of his successor.

Hour Two will examine the shifting debate over the cochlear

implant. Once an issue that divided the deaf community, the use of

cochlear implants is becoming more accepted. But difficult

questions remain about how people with cochlear implants can live in

two worlds -- the hearing and the deaf - and about how children

with the implants should be educated. Guests will

include documentary filmmaker Josh Aronson, whose Sound and Fury

tells the story of two brothers divided by their views on whether

their own children should get the implants. Aronson has recently

completed a follow-up to his film: Sound and Fury: Six Years Later.

He will join the program with and Artinian, who were

featured in both films.

Live Captioning Available

The deaf and hard of hearing community will be able to follow and

participate in the discussions through live captioning to be made

available

during the broadcast at 2:00 ? 4:00pm ET at

www.NPR.org/deafculture. Those

wishing to submit questions to Dr. Jordan during the broadcast, may

do so

by E-mailing Talk@..., or by calling (800)989-TALK. Callers with

access to VTR and TTY technology are encouraged to participate.

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at

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station

and schedule.

If Talk of the Nation does not air at all in your listening area,

you may

listen to it " live " over the Internet at www.NPR.org/deafculture

beginning

at 2 p.m. ET.

Transcripts

Transcripts of the program will be available at www.npr.org

following the

program at no cost.

Thank you for listening to Talk of the Nation, and for your continued

support of public broadcasting. For the latest news and

information, visit

NPR.org.

Sincerely,

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[Guest guest]

I believe Chorost, who has written extensively on his

experience with a CI, will also be a guest.

>

> Sorry if this has already been posted - a friend of mine sent this

> to me:

>

> Thank you for contacting NPR's Talk of the Nation.

>

> NPR's Talk of the Nation will devote the entire two-hour program on

> Thursday, October 12, to a discussion on deaf culture and

> education. Hour One will feature an interview with Dr. I. King

> Jordan, the retiring president of Gallaudet University, the

world's

> only university dedicated to the education of deaf and hard of

> hearing students. In his interview with Talk of the Nation's Neal

> Conan, Dr. Jordan will discuss his legacy and the

> current controversy over the appointment of his successor.

>

> Hour Two will examine the shifting debate over the cochlear

> implant. Once an issue that divided the deaf community, the use

of

> cochlear implants is becoming more accepted. But difficult

> questions remain about how people with cochlear implants can live

in

> two worlds -- the hearing and the deaf - and about how children

> with the implants should be educated. Guests will

> include documentary filmmaker Josh Aronson, whose Sound and Fury

> tells the story of two brothers divided by their views on whether

> their own children should get the implants. Aronson has recently

> completed a follow-up to his film: Sound and Fury: Six Years

Later.

> He will join the program with and Artinian, who were

> featured in both films.

>

> Live Captioning Available

> The deaf and hard of hearing community will be able to follow and

> participate in the discussions through live captioning to be made

> available

> during the broadcast at 2:00 ? 4:00pm ET at

> www.NPR.org/deafculture. Those

> wishing to submit questions to Dr. Jordan during the broadcast,

may

> do so

> by E-mailing Talk@..., or by calling (800)989-TALK. Callers with

> access to VTR and TTY technology are encouraged to participate.

>

> Accessing the Live Captioning

> In order to access the live captioning service, users will need to

> download

> RealPlayer at no cost at: http://www.real.com/freeplayer/?rppr=npr

>

> If you have trouble downloading RealPlayer or getting it to work,

> you can

> find additional information at:

> http://service.real.com/realplayer/?logo=&loc=〈

>

> What Time Does Talk of The Nation Air?

> Talk of the Nation is recorded live at 2:00 ? 4:00pm ET, but it

airs

> at

> different times in some markets. To find out what time the program

> airs in

> your market, go to http://www.npr.org/schedule/index.php for the

> station

> and schedule.

>

> If Talk of the Nation does not air at all in your listening area,

> you may

> listen to it " live " over the Internet at www.NPR.org/deafculture

> beginning

> at 2 p.m. ET.

>

> Transcripts

> Transcripts of the program will be available at www.npr.org

> following the

> program at no cost.

>

> Thank you for listening to Talk of the Nation, and for your

continued

> support of public broadcasting. For the latest news and

> information, visit

> NPR.org.

>

>

>

> Sincerely,

>

> NPR Services

>

> www.npr.org

>

[Guest guest]

NONE of the NPR stations in GA carry both hours of Talk of the Nation. This is

sounding more interesting with every post. Think I'll bring a radio to work

tomorrow since we aren't allowed to stream online here.

[Guest guest]

If you have Internet access at home, you can always listen to it after it has

aired. (http://www.npr.org/templates/calendar/index.php?prgId=5)

This doesn't allow you to actually participate in Real Time, but it would

allow you to at least hear what they talked about.

I did listen to the show tonight, just because I was home fixing dinner. They

did a blurb about tomorrow's show, and said that there would be some kind of

live captioning available--I assume on their website somehow, but I didn't catch

the specifics.

Kiminy

pcknott@... wrote:

NONE of the NPR stations in GA carry both hours of Talk of the Nation. This is

sounding more interesting with every post. Think I'll bring a radio to work

tomorrow since we aren't allowed to stream online here.

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Kiminy,

What channel and time is NPR on in Louisville? I haven’t found it yet.

Maybe wrong time frame I don’t know. I would like to listen to it if I

can.

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Re: Re: NPR Talk of the Nation - Deaf Culture

If you have Internet access at home, you can always listen to it after

it has aired. (http://www.npr.

http://www.npr.org/templates/calendar/index.php?prgId=5>

org/templates/calendar/index.php?prgId=5)

This doesn't allow you to actually participate in Real Time, but it

would allow you to at least hear what they talked about.

I did listen to the show tonight, just because I was home fixing dinner.

They did a blurb about tomorrow's show, and said that there would be

some kind of live captioning available--I assume on their website

somehow, but I didn't catch the specifics.

Kiminy

pcknott (AT) mindspring (DOT) com wrote:

NONE of the NPR stations in GA carry both hours of Talk of the Nation.

This is sounding more interesting with every post. Think I'll bring a

radio to work tomorrow since we aren't allowed to stream online here.

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[Guest guest]

It's WFPL, 89.3. You can also stream the audio live from http://www.wfpl.org.

Talk of the Nation runs from 2-4 on weekdays.

Louisville is actually VERY fortunate to have three separate public radio

stations. WFPL (89.3) does the NPR news shows and other talk shows from PRI and

the BBC. There are separate stations for classical music (WUOL, 90.5) and

jazz/contemporary (WFPK, 91.9)--all three are available through the Public Radio

Partnership at http://www.prp.org/

Kiminy

Tamala Woodburn tkwood1988@...> wrote:

Kiminy,

What channel and time is NPR on in Louisville? I haven’t found it yet.

Maybe wrong time frame I don’t know. I would like to listen to it if I

can.

Tammy

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[Guest guest]

In a message dated 10/11/2006 4:09:56 P.M. Central Standard Time,

pcknott@... writes:

NONE of the NPR stations in GA carry both hours of Talk of the Nation. This

is sounding more interesting with every post. Think I'll bring a radio to

work tomorrow since we aren't allowed to stream online here.

Jordan canceled because the Gallaudet campus is closed. The students have

shut down the campus due to the protest of the president selection process.

Putz

Illinois Families for Hands & Voices

_www.handsandvoices.org_ (http://www.handsandvoices.org/)

_www.ilhandsandvoices.org_ (http://www.ilhandsandvoices.org/)

Email: support@...

_A Deaf Mom Shares Her World_ (http://www.putzworld.blogspot.com/)

[Guest guest]

NPR has posted a transcript of both hours (it looks like) here:

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=6189253

Parentsofdeafhoh@... wrote:

>

>

> In a message dated 10/11/2006 4:09:56 P.M. Central Standard Time,

> pcknott@... writes:

>

> NONE of the NPR stations in GA carry both hours of Talk of the Nation. This

> is sounding more interesting with every post. Think I'll bring a radio to

> work tomorrow since we aren't allowed to stream online here.

>

>

> Jordan canceled because the Gallaudet campus is closed. The students have

> shut down the campus due to the protest of the president selection process.

>

> Putz

> Illinois Families for Hands & Voices

> _www.handsandvoices.org_ (http://www.handsandvoices.org/)

> _www.ilhandsandvoices.org_ (http://www.ilhandsandvoices.org/)

> Email: support@...

> _A Deaf Mom Shares Her World_ (http://www.putzworld.blogspot.com/)

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks Barbara, saved it to my desktop and will read it this weekend.

[Guest guest]

I did listen at work. It was rather interesting. It certainly gave

me pause when the little girl from " Sound and Fury " who's parents said

no to a cochlear implant but later said yes, actually said that she

wishes she had been implanted earlier. Another Mom called in and

talked about her son who had been implanted later, and was still

learning and how left out and lonely he had been, because he was born

into an oral family. A lot of things that I had not given a lot of

thought to. Just interesting. I was having a hard time hearing on my

computer, especially the last part with Chorost, so will have

to read the transcript also. I think it is worth the read.

>

> Thanks Barbara, saved it to my desktop and will read it this

weekend.

>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 10/13/2006 12:06:29 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,

tracey@... writes:

and was still

learning and how left out and lonely he had been, because he was born

into an oral family. A lot of things that I had not given a lot of

thought to.

This is one of my main concerns while raising Ian. When I hear someone

mention it as a concern I sit there nodding in sincere silent agreement. My

husband poo-poos it, but I am not that easily swayed. I know he feels isolated

and

that it's part of his shy, reserved moments. I have seen him being left out

of fast paced conversations with his friends and laughing at the right time,

knowing he didn't catch the jokes. And it's those little moments that break my

heart the most because there is not a thing I can do about them.

I've become very alert their music choices and I get him the CDs so that he

can read the lyrics on the inserts and can then sing/play (air guitar) along

with his friends. Little things like that to help bridge those moments when

he just can't quite hear it. For instance, his friends have just discovered

Led Zepplin and Queen -- both of which I own on vinyl. (and Meatloaf's Bat Out

of Hell album) I bought a couple " best of " CD sets so that he could listen

on his own ... and learn the lyrics to Stairway to Heaven, some of which are

hard to catch. ( " if there's a bustle in your hedgerow, don't alarmed now, it's

just a spring clean for the May Queen " ) He was the first to share the

ridiculously silly Queen song " Bicycle " which they thought was hilarious -- but

cool.

Don't get me wrong, Ian is a happy kid and is happy with his life. But I see

those moments and know it could be better. It still broke my heart to get a

text message from him on Friday from this year's pep rally -- he decided to

go this time, his friends talked him into it. It said " I can't understand a

damned thing and my head hurts. " (he's not usually one to swear, at least not

in front of me) When he came home, he had the usual headache and said " never

again. " And responded: " never again -- until next time " which made him laugh.

Best -- Jill

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 10/13/2006 11:12:23 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,

tracey@... writes:

<

>

Is he also HOH? Social issues are SO common for these kids. They really do

need to be taught these things because so many do not pick them up the way

hearing kids do.

We actively taught Ian social skills. We talked about what proper and

improper responses were as the situations came up. I had to teach him about

personal space because he was constantly invading people's zone of comfort. He

hugs

a lot, which is fine in some circumstances, but as he got older, it seemed

childish. So we intentionally taught him the " guy hug " which is a quick hug

combined with a pat/slap on the back.

He really did need to be helped in learning how to act/react and how some

things can be interpreted differently. For whatever reason, and I'm sure there

is a developmental theory behind this, often our D/HOH kids need help learning

this stuff. Parents here have discussed this stuff being in their kids IEPs

several times.

<

>

That sounds like my daughter, who claims to have a great sense of humor --

and she does. Just not about herself. We're determined to help her develop the

ability to laugh at herself. She can be SO intense. As for Ian, well, from

the very beginning we taught him to use humor to diffuse all kinds of

situations. Thank goodness he had that innate droll sense of humor, it's been a

blessing!

Best -- Jill

[Guest guest]

I am with you on that Jill. I too observe many of those moments and

they break my heart. On the other hand, I have to say, God has

blessed him with a nature that really allows him to be very

successful socially, inspite of those hearing challenges. He really

is able to get along in almost any situation and with most all of the

kids.

Much more so than his cousin, who my sister is trying to get some

help for, because he has no ability to adjust to different

personalities and no recognition of personal boundaries etc, and no

one wants to play with him for those reasons.

It seems like the hearing loss is easier to deal with in many ways:)

It is such a good thing that Ian can laugh at himself. What a gift

that is. My so often takes everything too seriously.

>

>

> In a message dated 10/13/2006 12:06:29 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,

> tracey@... writes:

>

> and was still

> learning and how left out and lonely he had been, because he was

born

> into an oral family. A lot of things that I had not given a lot of

> thought to.

>

>

>

>

> This is one of my main concerns while raising Ian. When I hear

someone

> mention it as a concern I sit there nodding in sincere silent

agreement. My

> husband poo-poos it, but I am not that easily swayed. I know he

feels isolated and

> that it's part of his shy, reserved moments. I have seen him being

left out

> of fast paced conversations with his friends and laughing at the

right time,

> knowing he didn't catch the jokes. And it's those little moments

that break my

> heart the most because there is not a thing I can do about them.

>

> I've become very alert their music choices and I get him the CDs

so that he

> can read the lyrics on the inserts and can then sing/play (air

guitar) along

> with his friends. Little things like that to help bridge those

moments when

> he just can't quite hear it. For instance, his friends have just

discovered

> Led Zepplin and Queen -- both of which I own on vinyl. (and

Meatloaf's Bat Out

> of Hell album) I bought a couple " best of " CD sets so that he

could listen

> on his own ... and learn the lyrics to Stairway to Heaven, some of

which are

> hard to catch. ( " if there's a bustle in your hedgerow, don't

alarmed now, it's

> just a spring clean for the May Queen " ) He was the first to share

the

> ridiculously silly Queen song " Bicycle " which they thought was

hilarious -- but

> cool.

>

> Don't get me wrong, Ian is a happy kid and is happy with his life.

But I see

> those moments and know it could be better. It still broke my heart

to get a

> text message from him on Friday from this year's pep rally -- he

decided to

> go this time, his friends talked him into it. It said " I can't

understand a

> damned thing and my head hurts. " (he's not usually one to swear,

at least not

> in front of me) When he came home, he had the usual headache and

said " never

> again. " And responded: " never again -- until next time " which made

him laugh.

>

> Best -- Jill

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Interesting that you ask that question...

My nephew failed his school screening last year, and was tested

again, which he also failed. My sister took him to an audiologist

and they tested his hearing and said his hearing was perfect.

This was about the time my son got his hearing aids, and my son told

me that his cousin had said he was going to not pass his test, so he

could get hearing aids too. This is just the sort of thing that he

would do too. He is a big teaser and never knows when to draw the

line. He also adores his older cousin. Every year for Halloween he

won't choose a costume until my son get's one, and then he get's the

same costume. My is pretty darn patient about it.

Anyhow, my nephew goes to private school and just got back his

Stanford test results. Average or above average on everything except

the listening portion, which was all way below average.

My instinct is to have his hearing tested again, but my sister is in

the middle of doing a big psych evaluation to try to determine if he

has ADD or something else, so I didn't bring it up. Sometimes I feel

like I am the hearing natzi around here, as it is!

>

> In a message dated 10/13/2006 11:12:23 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,

> tracey@... writes:

>

> <

help for, because he has no ability to adjust to different

> personalities and no recognition of personal boundaries etc, and

no

> one wants to play with him for those reasons. >>

>

> Is he also HOH? Social issues are SO common for these kids. They

really do

> need to be taught these things because so many do not pick them up

the way

> hearing kids do.

>

> We actively taught Ian social skills. We talked about what proper

and

> improper responses were as the situations came up. I had to teach

him about

> personal space because he was constantly invading people's zone of

comfort. He hugs

> a lot, which is fine in some circumstances, but as he got older, it

seemed

> childish. So we intentionally taught him the " guy hug " which is a

quick hug

> combined with a pat/slap on the back.

>

> He really did need to be helped in learning how to act/react and

how some

> things can be interpreted differently. For whatever reason, and I'm

sure there

> is a developmental theory behind this, often our D/HOH kids need

help learning

> this stuff. Parents here have discussed this stuff being in their

kids IEPs

> several times.

>

> <

that is. My so often takes everything too seriously.>>

>

> That sounds like my daughter, who claims to have a great sense of

humor --

> and she does. Just not about herself. We're determined to help her

develop the

> ability to laugh at herself. She can be SO intense. As for Ian,

well, from

> the very beginning we taught him to use humor to diffuse all kinds

of

> situations. Thank goodness he had that innate droll sense of

humor, it's been a

> blessing!

>

> Best -- Jill

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

So the audiologist said his hearing is fine - do you think the

audiologist is a good pediatric audiologist?

When you say that he was below average on the listening portion, is

there more information?

If his hearing tested out okay, there are several things that could come

into play. ADHD is certainly one - my older son has both ADHD and

hearing loss. Tom is very, very smart (I have test scores!) but very,

very impulsive. As an example, he was to fill out a questionnaire on

how he's doing in school this year. One of the questions was " how is it

going so far this year in school? " . Tom wrote " it's okay " . Well of

course he thinks there's too much homework, etc., etc., etc. - did he

take the time to write that? Nooooooooooooooo. (well, not until he

was coerced!) So I could see how an ADHD kid could show up as not

listening well. There could be several reasons for it actually.

But having his hearing tested again probably wouldn't hurt!

Good luck

Barbara

traceyandynathen wrote:

> Interesting that you ask that question...

>

> My nephew failed his school screening last year, and was tested

> again, which he also failed. My sister took him to an audiologist

> and they tested his hearing and said his hearing was perfect.

>

> This was about the time my son got his hearing aids, and my son told

> me that his cousin had said he was going to not pass his test, so he

> could get hearing aids too. This is just the sort of thing that he

> would do too. He is a big teaser and never knows when to draw the

> line. He also adores his older cousin. Every year for Halloween he

> won't choose a costume until my son get's one, and then he get's the

> same costume. My is pretty darn patient about it.

>

> Anyhow, my nephew goes to private school and just got back his

> Stanford test results. Average or above average on everything except

> the listening portion, which was all way below average.

>

> My instinct is to have his hearing tested again, but my sister is in

> the middle of doing a big psych evaluation to try to determine if he

> has ADD or something else, so I didn't bring it up. Sometimes I feel

> like I am the hearing natzi around here, as it is!

>

>

>

>> In a message dated 10/13/2006 11:12:23 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,

>> tracey@... writes:

>>

>> <

>

> some

>

>> help for, because he has no ability to adjust to different

>> personalities and no recognition of personal boundaries etc, and

>>

> no

>

>> one wants to play with him for those reasons. >>

>>

>> Is he also HOH? Social issues are SO common for these kids. They

>>

> really do

>

>> need to be taught these things because so many do not pick them up

>>

> the way

>

>> hearing kids do.

>>

>> We actively taught Ian social skills. We talked about what proper

>>

> and

>

>> improper responses were as the situations came up. I had to teach

>>

> him about

>

>> personal space because he was constantly invading people's zone of

>>

> comfort. He hugs

>

>> a lot, which is fine in some circumstances, but as he got older, it

>>

> seemed

>

>> childish. So we intentionally taught him the " guy hug " which is a

>>

> quick hug

>

>> combined with a pat/slap on the back.

>>

>> He really did need to be helped in learning how to act/react and

>>

> how some

>

>> things can be interpreted differently. For whatever reason, and I'm

>>

> sure there

>

>> is a developmental theory behind this, often our D/HOH kids need

>>

> help learning

>

>> this stuff. Parents here have discussed this stuff being in their

>>

> kids IEPs

>

>> several times.

>>

>> <

>

> gift

>

>> that is. My so often takes everything too seriously.>>

>>

>> That sounds like my daughter, who claims to have a great sense of

>>

> humor --

>

>> and she does. Just not about herself. We're determined to help her

>>

> develop the

>

>> ability to laugh at herself. She can be SO intense. As for Ian,

>>

> well, from

>

>> the very beginning we taught him to use humor to diffuse all kinds

>>

> of

>

>> situations. Thank goodness he had that innate droll sense of

>>

> humor, it's been a

>

>> blessing!

>>

>> Best -- Jill

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

[Guest guest]

I know what you mean. I really have to make sure that I keep my beliefs about

probable or potential hearing loss in check. It never hurts to mention it if

you feel it's a concern, but you have to ultimatly let the parent decide which

way to go.

Short story (I promise). Before we discovered 's hearing loss I was

very active in an online parenting group of kids all due to be born the same

month as . One mom had an older daughter whose hearing loss was

discovered when our kids were maybe 9 months old. Well as time went on and I'd

express different concerns about she would write and say...maybe you

should have her hearing tested. This went on for a while, and I continued to

deny it. Needless to say after we did discover 's loss, I wrote to her

and appologized for not listening to her concerns. Had I listened to her and

just had 's hearing tested when she first mentioned it, we would have

discovered 's loss almost a year earlier.

Like Barb mentioned you can have ADD/ADHD and a hearing loss. That would be

as well. She was recently diagnosed with ADHD hyperactive/impulsive

type. And according to all of 's recent testing...she too is a bright

child. Of course because of her hearing loss it took us a while to figure it

all out.

Debbie

traceyandynathen tracey@...> wrote:

My instinct is to have his hearing tested again, but my sister is in

the middle of doing a big psych evaluation to try to determine if he

has ADD or something else, so I didn't bring it up. Sometimes I feel

like I am the hearing natzi around here, as it is!

Some men see things as they are and ask why. Others dream things that never were

and ask why not. G.B Shaw

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