Re: [Fwd: Re: Menus HELP FRUSTRATED]

[Guest guest]

I use the s Hopkins planner and will check this out and get right back to

you... .

Guserbean@... wrote:To anyone in the group. Please, could anyone check on

their program these menus. My granddaughter started the diet Sept.13, this past

Monday. We have had some concerns with the dietetians and what we are getting

for meals. is 6 1/2, 29 lbs. Her total is 97.5 fat, 15.5 prot, 7.88 carb,

each meal 32.5 fat, 5.5 prot, 2.63 carb. has 975 calories, 4 to 1 ratio,

and 3 meals. If I did this right, the hospital is not correct.

Thanks again to Bill

Thanks for any help.

Georgia, 's grandma

>

>

> Date: 2004/09/19 Sun PM 05:55:36 GMT

> To: guserbean@...

> Subject: Re: Menus HELP FRUSTRATED

>

> Georgia,

>

> I am just about to leave to catch up with my wife and daughter on a

> walk. I am waiting for the keto meal to cook.

> I will do this but it will take me some time. Maybe someone else can

> check with their computer program. I do all the meals by hand.

>

> Later,

> Bill

>

> guserbean@... wrote:

> > Bill,

> > Thanks for the info.

> > Could you please check some menues for me. I don't think the dietetian did

them right.

> >

> > 1. Egg/fruit Goal 5.2g 32,5g 3.0g

> > %PRT %FAT %CHO Protg Fatg Chog

> > 25g fruit 10% 1.00 0.00 10.00 0.3g 0.0g 2.5g

> > 45g Egg fresh 12.00 9.00 1.20 5.4g 4.1g 0.5g

> > 27g safflower 0.00 98.20 0.00 0.0g 26.5g 0.0

> >

> > Ratio 3.52 to 1 5.65 30.56 3.04

> > Calories 309.84

> >

> >

> > 2. Beef/ veg/fruit goal 5.2g 32.5g 3.0g

> > 13g fruit 10% 1.00 0.00 10.00 0.1g 0.00g 1.3g

> > 15g veg group B 2.00 0.00 7.00 0.3g 0.00g 1.1g

> > 26g safflower 0.00 98.2 0.00 0.0g 27.5g 0.0g

> > 19g gr beef lean 24.20 19.10 0.00 4.6g 3.6g 0.0g

> >

> > Ratio 4.22 to 1 5.03 31.13 2.35

> > Calories 390.64

> >

> > These don't match their meal goal 32.5 fat, 5.5 protein,2.63 carb.

> > My cell is . If you call, I'll return your call. I'll check my

computer. Kim just called and they may be taking in. Her blood in urine

was moderate.

> >

> > Thanks for all your help.

> >

> > Georgia

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

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Just looking quickly, they look about right. The big error is the 2nd

meal is not 390 calories, but is about 310 calories. I thought that your

goal was 325 calories per meal. Perhaps that should be corrected if it

is indeed the goal. Your dietician may be doing the meals by hand and

that requires some more advanced math skills once you have 3 or 4

ingredients. There may be a difference in how she is doing the

calculations. They are just a bit out. I have seen a lot worse. I am

sure that you can easily find out why there is a difference in the numbers.

Bill

Guserbean@... wrote:

> To anyone in the group. Please, could anyone check on their program these

menus. My granddaughter started the diet Sept.13, this past Monday. We have had

some concerns with the dietetians and what we are getting for meals. is 6

1/2, 29 lbs. Her total is 97.5 fat, 15.5 prot, 7.88 carb, each meal 32.5 fat,

5.5 prot, 2.63 carb. has 975 calories, 4 to 1 ratio, and 3 meals. If I

did this right, the hospital is not correct.

> Thanks again to Bill

> Thanks for any help.

> Georgia, 's grandma

>

>>

>>Date: 2004/09/19 Sun PM 05:55:36 GMT

>>To: guserbean@...

>>Subject: Re: Menus HELP FRUSTRATED

>>

>>Georgia,

>>

>>I am just about to leave to catch up with my wife and daughter on a

>>walk. I am waiting for the keto meal to cook.

>>I will do this but it will take me some time. Maybe someone else can

>>check with their computer program. I do all the meals by hand.

>>

>>Later,

>>Bill

>>

>>guserbean@... wrote:

>>

>>>Bill,

>>> Thanks for the info.

>>>Could you please check some menues for me. I don't think the dietetian did

them right.

>>>

>>>1. Egg/fruit Goal 5.2g 32,5g 3.0g

>>> %PRT %FAT %CHO Protg Fatg Chog

>>> 25g fruit 10% 1.00 0.00 10.00 0.3g 0.0g 2.5g

>>> 45g Egg fresh 12.00 9.00 1.20 5.4g 4.1g 0.5g

>>> 27g safflower 0.00 98.20 0.00 0.0g 26.5g 0.0

>>>

>>> Ratio 3.52 to 1 5.65 30.56 3.04

>>> Calories 309.84

>>>

>>>

>>>2. Beef/ veg/fruit goal 5.2g 32.5g 3.0g

>>> 13g fruit 10% 1.00 0.00 10.00 0.1g 0.00g 1.3g

>>> 15g veg group B 2.00 0.00 7.00 0.3g 0.00g 1.1g

>>> 26g safflower 0.00 98.2 0.00 0.0g 27.5g 0.0g

>>> 19g gr beef lean 24.20 19.10 0.00 4.6g 3.6g 0.0g

>>>

>>> Ratio 4.22 to 1 5.03 31.13 2.35

>>> Calories 390.64

>>>

>>>These don't match their meal goal 32.5 fat, 5.5 protein,2.63 carb.

>>>My cell is . If you call, I'll return your call. I'll check my

computer. Kim just called and they may be taking in. Her blood in urine

was moderate.

>>>

>>>Thanks for all your help.

>>>

>>>Georgia

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>

>>

>>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Okay... I plugged it into my planner and this is what I got:

Assuming is at her ideal weight of 13.16 (29lbs) she is getting 74

calories per kg.

At 974 calories (my planner doesn't do 975) she would get a daily allowance of

13.16 protein, 97.4 fat, and 11.19 carbs.

So.......we have the same fat allowance, but they have upped her protein and

downed the carbs. Might there be a reason for this?

I am not uncertain that this cannot be done without a problem. I don't know.

Others that have lowered the ratio have found too many carbs don't work and have

lowered the carbs and upped the protein... but since she is new to the diet I am

wondering why this was done????

Wait and get more input from more experienced keto diet parents. But, it looks

like the big fat component is right.

If you have any specific meals you want me to check out, I can do that. Or are

you doing the MCT version?

Also, if you have Excel you can download the Stanford planner off the internet

for free, and it might be worth your while to do this and get familiar with it

right from the start. I wish I had used a planner from the beginning.

Hope this helps. If you are having a problem, what is it? Is she vomiting?

Were you just shocked at how little food she was getting (that was a big one for

me)? Or are you hand calculating and confused?

Blessings... , 's mumma (keto kid since May 04 and no seizures in 12

days!)

Guserbean@... wrote:

To anyone in the group. Please, could anyone check on their program these menus.

My granddaughter started the diet Sept.13, this past Monday. We have had some

concerns with the dietetians and what we are getting for meals. is 6 1/2,

29 lbs. Her total is 97.5 fat, 15.5 prot, 7.88 carb, each meal 32.5 fat, 5.5

prot, 2.63 carb. has 975 calories, 4 to 1 ratio, and 3 meals. If I did

this right, the hospital is not correct.

Thanks again to Bill

Thanks for any help.

Georgia, 's grandma

>

>

> Date: 2004/09/19 Sun PM 05:55:36 GMT

> To: guserbean@...

> Subject: Re: Menus HELP FRUSTRATED

>

> Georgia,

>

> I am just about to leave to catch up with my wife and daughter on a

> walk. I am waiting for the keto meal to cook.

> I will do this but it will take me some time. Maybe someone else can

> check with their computer program. I do all the meals by hand.

>

> Later,

> Bill

>

> guserbean@... wrote:

> > Bill,

> > Thanks for the info.

> > Could you please check some menues for me. I don't think the dietetian did

them right.

> >

> > 1. Egg/fruit Goal 5.2g 32,5g 3.0g

> > %PRT %FAT %CHO Protg Fatg Chog

> > 25g fruit 10% 1.00 0.00 10.00 0.3g 0.0g 2.5g

> > 45g Egg fresh 12.00 9.00 1.20 5.4g 4.1g 0.5g

> > 27g safflower 0.00 98.20 0.00 0.0g 26.5g 0.0

> >

> > Ratio 3.52 to 1 5.65 30.56 3.04

> > Calories 309.84

> >

> >

> > 2. Beef/ veg/fruit goal 5.2g 32.5g 3.0g

> > 13g fruit 10% 1.00 0.00 10.00 0.1g 0.00g 1.3g

> > 15g veg group B 2.00 0.00 7.00 0.3g 0.00g 1.1g

> > 26g safflower 0.00 98.2 0.00 0.0g 27.5g 0.0g

> > 19g gr beef lean 24.20 19.10 0.00 4.6g 3.6g 0.0g

> >

> > Ratio 4.22 to 1 5.03 31.13 2.35

> > Calories 390.64

> >

> > These don't match their meal goal 32.5 fat, 5.5 protein,2.63 carb.

> > My cell is . If you call, I'll return your call. I'll check my

computer. Kim just called and they may be taking in. Her blood in urine

was moderate.

> >

> > Thanks for all your help.

> >

> > Georgia

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

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I think that the daily protein is 16.5, based on 5.5 per meal and 3

meals per day and 975 total calories. Protein can be anywhere from 1.1

to 1.5 gm per kg of weight for young children. At 16.5 gm and 13.2 kg,

that comes to 1.25 gm protein per kg which is okay.

To get better control, you might want to have one or 2 snacks a day. The

easiest way to calculate is to use the daily allowance and calculate 4

meals a day. Take one of those meals and divide it in half to get 2

snacks and 3 meals.

Don't be too hard on the dietician. She is probably not given enough

time or resources to do her job. At least she seems to be trying. It

likely takes as long to do one keto diet plan as it does to do 100

regular meals in a hospital.

Bill

Falk wrote:

> Okay... I plugged it into my planner and this is what I got:

>

> Assuming is at her ideal weight of 13.16 (29lbs) she is getting 74

calories per kg.

>

> At 974 calories (my planner doesn't do 975) she would get a daily allowance of

13.16 protein, 97.4 fat, and 11.19 carbs.

>

> So.......we have the same fat allowance, but they have upped her protein and

downed the carbs. Might there be a reason for this?

>

> I am not uncertain that this cannot be done without a problem. I don't know.

>

> Others that have lowered the ratio have found too many carbs don't work and

have lowered the carbs and upped the protein... but since she is new to the diet

I am wondering why this was done????

>

> Wait and get more input from more experienced keto diet parents. But, it

looks like the big fat component is right.

>

> If you have any specific meals you want me to check out, I can do that. Or

are you doing the MCT version?

>

> Also, if you have Excel you can download the Stanford planner off the internet

for free, and it might be worth your while to do this and get familiar with it

right from the start. I wish I had used a planner from the beginning.

>

> Hope this helps. If you are having a problem, what is it? Is she vomiting?

Were you just shocked at how little food she was getting (that was a big one for

me)? Or are you hand calculating and confused?

>

> Blessings... , 's mumma (keto kid since May 04 and no seizures in 12

days!)

>

> Guserbean@... wrote:

> To anyone in the group. Please, could anyone check on their program these

menus. My granddaughter started the diet Sept.13, this past Monday. We have had

some concerns with the dietetians and what we are getting for meals. is 6

1/2, 29 lbs. Her total is 97.5 fat, 15.5 prot, 7.88 carb, each meal 32.5 fat,

5.5 prot, 2.63 carb. has 975 calories, 4 to 1 ratio, and 3 meals. If I

did this right, the hospital is not correct.

> Thanks again to Bill

> Thanks for any help.

> Georgia, 's grandma

>

>>

>>Date: 2004/09/19 Sun PM 05:55:36 GMT

>>To: guserbean@...

>>Subject: Re: Menus HELP FRUSTRATED

>>

>>Georgia,

>>

>>I am just about to leave to catch up with my wife and daughter on a

>>walk. I am waiting for the keto meal to cook.

>>I will do this but it will take me some time. Maybe someone else can

>>check with their computer program. I do all the meals by hand.

>>

>>Later,

>>Bill

>>

>>guserbean@... wrote:

>>

>>>Bill,

>>> Thanks for the info.

>>>Could you please check some menues for me. I don't think the dietetian did

them right.

>>>

>>>1. Egg/fruit Goal 5.2g 32,5g 3.0g

>>> %PRT %FAT %CHO Protg Fatg Chog

>>> 25g fruit 10% 1.00 0.00 10.00 0.3g 0.0g 2.5g

>>> 45g Egg fresh 12.00 9.00 1.20 5.4g 4.1g 0.5g

>>> 27g safflower 0.00 98.20 0.00 0.0g 26.5g 0.0

>>>

>>> Ratio 3.52 to 1 5.65 30.56 3.04

>>> Calories 309.84

>>>

>>>

>>>2. Beef/ veg/fruit goal 5.2g 32.5g 3.0g

>>> 13g fruit 10% 1.00 0.00 10.00 0.1g 0.00g 1.3g

>>> 15g veg group B 2.00 0.00 7.00 0.3g 0.00g 1.1g

>>> 26g safflower 0.00 98.2 0.00 0.0g 27.5g 0.0g

>>> 19g gr beef lean 24.20 19.10 0.00 4.6g 3.6g 0.0g

>>>

>>> Ratio 4.22 to 1 5.03 31.13 2.35

>>> Calories 390.64

>>>

>>>These don't match their meal goal 32.5 fat, 5.5 protein,2.63 carb.

>>>My cell is . If you call, I'll return your call. I'll check my

computer. Kim just called and they may be taking in. Her blood in urine

was moderate.

>>>

>>>Thanks for all your help.

>>>

>>>Georgia

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>

>>

>>

>

>

>

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