Guest guest Posted November 14, 2006 Report Share Posted November 14, 2006 Hi, My son is 6 with severe Apraxia and in Kindergarten. Services have been in place since the first month of school, but we just had his IEP " brainstorming " meeting yesterday. Even tho his evaluations last spring placed him below average and at risk, his teacher this year says he's doing about as well as all the typical students and the team doesn't believe he needs any academic goals for the year. The majority will be communication/speech goals. Does this sound right? I'm concerned because, as with alot of kids with apraxia, he's very inconsitent with knowing his letters and doesn't have many phonological skills yet (can't rhyme, etc.) ALSO, is it appropriate to have written into his plan that people who interact with my son should NOT withhold things on the condition that he says them " right " ? His OT last year mentioned to me that she wouldn't give him a marker until he said the color right (which I then asked her not to do) and there was some discussion yesterday about having him ask for things in complete sentences. I really don't want him to have to say, " May I go to the bathroom, please? " before they'll let him go. Anyone have this situation before? Thanks for any and all input! Tammy 's Mom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 14, 2006 Report Share Posted November 14, 2006 I don't know about the second part but regarding the academic goals.... You are a part of the team. You are an equal part (in reality you are a more important part) of the team. If you, as a team member, feel strongly that academic goals need to be included then state that it is important to you that new academic goals be created. They may hem and haw but don't be intimidated. Tell them that you understand their side of things but that you " as an equal and very important member of the IEP team " feel very strongly that measurable academic goals be included in the IEP. Then tell them you would not be comfortable signing and consenting to an IEP that did not include academic goals and thank them for their understanding before they open their mouth to argue with you. No matter what they say, I'd just keep repeating that statement over and over again. If it comes down to them refusing, write a follow up letter to the school thanking them for their input at the IEP meeting and noting that you found it disappointing that your input in goal writing was pushed aside as you had always been taught that you were a valuable member of the team. Ask that they contact you if you misunderstood and that they really are interested in developing academic goals with you. Mail your letter to the team, the principal and whoever is over placements/IEP's etc and ask for a copy to be placed in your child's record. If you wanted to still pursue it, wait a few weeks and request a new IEP meeting for the sole purpose of the academic goals. It seems to me that academic goals cost them next to no money. The only reason to fight them is to avoid being accountable. We as parents, however, need to make sure they are accountable. And I'm with you... I wouldn't be comfortable with an IEP that didn't contain measurable academic goals. Good luck Kris On Nov 14, 2006, at 1:09 PM, tlnoh wrote: > Hi, > My son is 6 with severe Apraxia and in Kindergarten. Services have > been in place since the first month of school, but we just had his > IEP " brainstorming " meeting yesterday. Even tho his evaluations last > spring placed him below average and at risk, his teacher this year > says he's doing about as well as all the typical students and the > team doesn't believe he needs any academic goals for the year. The > majority will be communication/speech goals. Does this sound right? > I'm concerned because, as with alot of kids with apraxia, he's very > inconsitent with knowing his letters and doesn't have many > phonological skills yet (can't rhyme, etc.) > > ALSO, is it appropriate to have written into his plan that people who > interact with my son should NOT withhold things on the condition that > he says them " right " ? His OT last year mentioned to me that she > wouldn't give him a marker until he said the color right (which I > then asked her not to do) and there was some discussion yesterday > about having him ask for things in complete sentences. I really don't > want him to have to say, " May I go to the bathroom, please? " before > they'll let him go. Anyone have this situation before? > > Thanks for any and all input! > Tammy > 's Mom > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 14, 2006 Report Share Posted November 14, 2006 I'm all for mainstreaming in kindergarten and letting a child blossom at his or her own rate in school. This is of course while doing what you can on the side to make sure your son continues to thrive in the mainstream. If he is right on target now according to the teacher that's great -but a few reminders. He is 6, not 5. Six is a great age to start kindergarten for most in this group -but what is the age of his peers? Apraxia is not a developmental disorder but can create developmental delays and he probably has that edge to help him keep and stay up. I also found my son Tanner late to be able to rhyme -and a bit younger then kindergarten I recall the worry I had that he seemed to know his letters one day and forget some of them the next. His ever so wise SLP back then Ortega CCC SLP from NJ said " Don't sweat it and just keep telling him the right answers if he doesn't seem to know the letter. He has apraxia and he may know it but say it wrong or forget how to say it " As I've posted many times recently -Tanner is a wonderful and advanced reader today at 10. For rhymes I made games and songs up all the time and tried to get them to do the same. Tanner was Bo Banner Tanner Manner. Our favorite rhyme was the Fuzzy Wuzzy was a bear one except we'd switch Fuzzy Wuzzy to Tanner Wanner, and Daddy Faddy, and Dakota Boda, and Mommy Wommy. He may have had trouble with rhymes -but we sure had fun trying to teach them -and he has had rhymes down solid for years. As far as withholding unless there is communication -is your child autistic? Does he have selective mutism? Or was he diagnosed with an impairment of speech? Do they assume behavioral techniques are all that is needed to force him to talk. What do they do with visual impaired children -give them a pencil and tell them to find the sharpener? Remind them that apraxia is a motor planning disorder and that pressure puts undue stress on the child that can compound the primary diagnosis and/or further compromise your child's abilities for success at overcoming his verbal disability. Do they at least accept alternative ways of communication? If not the occupational therapist should get a job as a bagger at the local supermarket where the only thing she can bruise is the bananas and the only thing she can break is the eggs. Not your child's self esteem and progress. What does the school SLP have to say about this? The teacher is following the lead from the " experts " You'll be best off not fighting this on your own but in getting written documents from respected neuroMDs and outside SLPs/OTs -outside experts. As I tell all parents -don't worry about hurting feelings in standing up for your child. In a year from now you can move and never see these people again -but your child is always your child forever. Stay calm -you don't need to raise your voice in anger or break down in tears to have others understand you -in fact I found humor was the best way to get my points across (see now me I probably would have used the pencil example -but you have to do what's right by you) We believe in you -and your child is counting on you to be his voice until he has his own to stand up for himself from the ignorance. And as one who now has a child on the other side at 10 years old -trust me you do it right and they will be able to! When you educate to advocate for your child you also protect the next child. ===== Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2006 Report Share Posted November 15, 2006 At this point in the school year, he has probably had some new testing done in kinder (?). Reading, reading comprehension, perhaps? Is it a question of him knowing his letters (which is something that should be taught early in the kinder year), or saying them consistently? If he's having trouble saying them, that could be addressed with a speech goal. Could one of his therapists observe him in his kinder classroom and give you some objective feedback about whether or not he needs academic goals? Or why don't you observe yourself? Ask for data backing up their claim that he doesn't need acad. goals, instead of just a vague personal opinion. I am totally against their negative reinforcement of his speech goals. He will be much more motivated by positive reinforcement when he asks for the correct marker or uses complete sentences. They can give him something positive in return when he succeeds, rather than punishing him for not doing those things. Why not use lots of praise, stickers on a sticker chart, etc when he does those things?? These are things that are harder for him than other children - reward him for doing something that is difficult for him, and he will be more eager to try. > > Hi, > My son is 6 with severe Apraxia and in Kindergarten. Services have > been in place since the first month of school, but we just had his > IEP " brainstorming " meeting yesterday. Even tho his evaluations last > spring placed him below average and at risk, his teacher this year > says he's doing about as well as all the typical students and the > team doesn't believe he needs any academic goals for the year. The > majority will be communication/speech goals. Does this sound right? > I'm concerned because, as with alot of kids with apraxia, he's very > inconsitent with knowing his letters and doesn't have many > phonological skills yet (can't rhyme, etc.) > > ALSO, is it appropriate to have written into his plan that people who > interact with my son should NOT withhold things on the condition that > he says them " right " ? His OT last year mentioned to me that she > wouldn't give him a marker until he said the color right (which I > then asked her not to do) and there was some discussion yesterday > about having him ask for things in complete sentences. I really don't > want him to have to say, " May I go to the bathroom, please? " before > they'll let him go. Anyone have this situation before? > > Thanks for any and all input! > Tammy > 's Mom > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2006 Report Share Posted November 15, 2006 Hi Tammy, Remember that you are your son's greatest advocate and greatest source of knowledge about him. Anything can be included in an IEP that will benefit the child in his educational setting. If you feel that it is not appropriate for others to withhold things from him when his speech is not " perfect " , you should certainly discuss that with the team and have it a part of his program. Of course there have to be academic goals, because academic goals are a benchmark for how well he is speaking, and using language in all areas of the curriculum. Maybe the academic goals can and should be related to his speech and language development. Remember that you know your son better than any professional, and don't be intimidated. Be willing to compromise but never just fold because others have the professional edge......Good luck.....Fay, Damon's grandmother and a retired school principal Hi, My son is 6 with severe Apraxia and in Kindergarten. Services have been in place since the first month of school, but we just had his IEP " brainstorming " meeting yesterday. Even tho his evaluations last spring placed him below average and at risk, his teacher this year says he's doing about as well as all the typical students and the team doesn't believe he needs any academic goals for the year. The majority will be communication/speech goals. Does this sound right? I'm concerned because, as with alot of kids with apraxia, he's very inconsitent with knowing his letters and doesn't have many phonological skills yet (can't rhyme, etc.) ALSO, is it appropriate to have written into his plan that people who interact with my son should NOT withhold things on the condition that he says them " right " ? His OT last year mentioned to me that she wouldn't give him a marker until he said the color right (which I then asked her not to do) and there was some discussion yesterday about having him ask for things in complete sentences. I really don't want him to have to say, " May I go to the bathroom, please? " before they'll let him go. Anyone have this situation before? Thanks for any and all input! Tammy 's Mom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2006 Report Share Posted November 15, 2006 Thanks to everyone for your input. You're right, --he's 6 and most of the other kids are 5, so still delayed. He's ahead of some of them in math skills, but I think I'll feel more comfortable asking to have a couple phonological awareness goals written into the IEP. (we play a name rhyming game, too. It's helping a little. And, we'll be getting Earobics for the computer for Christmas.) I told the team I didn't want things withheld on the condition of his saying things correctly, and may try to get that written in. The Special Ed teacher will be adding to his goals (even tho he's not in her class, she's more in tune with alternate assessment needs, etc.), so maybe once I see them in writing I'll be more comfortable. I love hearing how far Tanner and the other older kids on the list have come. Gives me hope for the future! Thanks again! Tammy > > I'm all for mainstreaming in kindergarten and letting a child > blossom at his or her own rate in school. This is of course while > doing what you can on the side to make sure your son continues to > thrive in the mainstream. If he is right on target now according to > the teacher that's great -but a few reminders. He is 6, not 5. Six > is a great age to start kindergarten for most in this group -but > what is the age of his peers? Apraxia is not a developmental > disorder but can create developmental delays and he probably has > that edge to help him keep and stay up. I also found my son Tanner late to > be able to rhyme -and a bit younger then kindergarten I recall the > worry I had that he seemed to know his letters one day and forget > some of them the next. His ever so wise SLP back then > Ortega CCC SLP from NJ said " Don't sweat it and just keep telling > him the right answers if he doesn't seem to know the letter. He has > apraxia and he may know it but say it wrong or forget how to say > it " As I've posted many times recently -Tanner is a wonderful and > advanced reader today at 10. For rhymes I made games and songs up > all the time and tried to get them to do the same. Tanner was Bo > Banner Tanner Manner. Our favorite rhyme was the Fuzzy Wuzzy was a > bear one except we'd switch Fuzzy Wuzzy to Tanner Wanner, and Daddy > Faddy, and Dakota Boda, and Mommy Wommy. He may have had trouble > with rhymes -but we sure had fun trying to teach them -and he has > had rhymes down solid for years. > > As far as withholding unless there is communication -is your child > autistic? Does he have selective mutism? Or was he diagnosed with > an impairment of speech? Do they assume behavioral techniques are > all that is needed to force him to talk. What do they do with > visual impaired children -give them a pencil and tell them to find > the sharpener? Remind them that apraxia is a motor planning > disorder and that pressure puts undue stress on the child that can > compound the primary diagnosis and/or further compromise your > child's abilities for success at overcoming his verbal disability. > > Do they at least accept alternative ways of communication? If not > the occupational therapist should get a job as a bagger at the > local supermarket where the only thing she can bruise is the bananas > and the only thing she can break is the eggs. Not your child's self > esteem and progress. What does the school SLP have to say about > this? The teacher is following the lead from the " experts " You'll be best off not > fighting this on your own but in getting written documents from > respected neuroMDs and outside SLPs/OTs -outside experts. > > As I tell all parents -don't worry about hurting feelings in > standing up for your child. In a year from now you can move and > never see these people again -but your child is always your child > forever. Stay calm -you don't need to raise your voice in anger or > break down in tears to have others understand you -in fact I found > humor was the best way to get my points across (see now me I > probably would have used the pencil example -but you have to do > what's right by you) We believe in you -and your child is counting > on you to be his voice until he has his own to stand up for himself > from the ignorance. And as one who now has a child on the other > side at 10 years old -trust me you do it right and they will be able > to! > > When you educate to advocate for your child you also protect the next child. > > ===== > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2006 Report Share Posted November 15, 2006 At this point in the school year, he has probably had some new testing done in kinder (?). Reading, reading comprehension, perhaps? Is it a question of him knowing his letters (which is something that should be taught early in the kinder year), or saying them consistently? If he's having trouble saying them, that could be addressed with a speech goal. Could one of his therapists observe him in his kinder classroom and give you some objective feedback about whether or not he needs academic goals? Or why don't you observe yourself? Ask for data backing up their claim that he doesn't need acad. goals, instead of just a vague personal opinion. I am totally against their negative reinforcement of his speech goals. He will be much more motivated by positive reinforcement when he asks for the correct marker or uses complete sentences. They can give him something positive in return when he succeeds, rather than punishing him for not doing those things. Why not use lots of praise, stickers on a sticker chart, etc when he does those things?? These are things that are harder for him than other children - reward him for doing something that is difficult for him, and he will be more eager to try. > > Hi, > My son is 6 with severe Apraxia and in Kindergarten. Services have > been in place since the first month of school, but we just had his > IEP " brainstorming " meeting yesterday. Even tho his evaluations last > spring placed him below average and at risk, his teacher this year > says he's doing about as well as all the typical students and the > team doesn't believe he needs any academic goals for the year. The > majority will be communication/speech goals. Does this sound right? > I'm concerned because, as with alot of kids with apraxia, he's very > inconsitent with knowing his letters and doesn't have many > phonological skills yet (can't rhyme, etc.) > > ALSO, is it appropriate to have written into his plan that people who > interact with my son should NOT withhold things on the condition that > he says them " right " ? His OT last year mentioned to me that she > wouldn't give him a marker until he said the color right (which I > then asked her not to do) and there was some discussion yesterday > about having him ask for things in complete sentences. I really don't > want him to have to say, " May I go to the bathroom, please? " before > they'll let him go. Anyone have this situation before? > > Thanks for any and all input! > Tammy > 's Mom > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 16, 2006 Report Share Posted November 16, 2006 Hi Tammy, Remember that you are your son's greatest advocate and greatest source of knowledge about him. Anything can be included in an IEP that will benefit the child in his educational setting. If you feel that it is not appropriate for others to withhold things from him when his speech is not " perfect " , you should certainly discuss that with the team and have it a part of his program. Of course there have to be academic goals, because academic goals are a benchmark for how well he is speaking, and using language in all areas of the curriculum. Maybe the academic goals can and should be related to his speech and language development. Remember that you know your son better than any professional, and don't be intimidated. Be willing to compromise but never just fold because others have the professional edge......Good luck.....Fay, Damon's grandmother and a retired school principal Hi, My son is 6 with severe Apraxia and in Kindergarten. Services have been in place since the first month of school, but we just had his IEP " brainstorming " meeting yesterday. Even tho his evaluations last spring placed him below average and at risk, his teacher this year says he's doing about as well as all the typical students and the team doesn't believe he needs any academic goals for the year. The majority will be communication/speech goals. Does this sound right? I'm concerned because, as with alot of kids with apraxia, he's very inconsitent with knowing his letters and doesn't have many phonological skills yet (can't rhyme, etc.) ALSO, is it appropriate to have written into his plan that people who interact with my son should NOT withhold things on the condition that he says them " right " ? His OT last year mentioned to me that she wouldn't give him a marker until he said the color right (which I then asked her not to do) and there was some discussion yesterday about having him ask for things in complete sentences. I really don't want him to have to say, " May I go to the bathroom, please? " before they'll let him go. Anyone have this situation before? Thanks for any and all input! Tammy 's Mom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 16, 2006 Report Share Posted November 16, 2006 Thanks to everyone for your input. You're right, --he's 6 and most of the other kids are 5, so still delayed. He's ahead of some of them in math skills, but I think I'll feel more comfortable asking to have a couple phonological awareness goals written into the IEP. (we play a name rhyming game, too. It's helping a little. And, we'll be getting Earobics for the computer for Christmas.) I told the team I didn't want things withheld on the condition of his saying things correctly, and may try to get that written in. The Special Ed teacher will be adding to his goals (even tho he's not in her class, she's more in tune with alternate assessment needs, etc.), so maybe once I see them in writing I'll be more comfortable. I love hearing how far Tanner and the other older kids on the list have come. Gives me hope for the future! Thanks again! Tammy > > I'm all for mainstreaming in kindergarten and letting a child > blossom at his or her own rate in school. This is of course while > doing what you can on the side to make sure your son continues to > thrive in the mainstream. If he is right on target now according to > the teacher that's great -but a few reminders. He is 6, not 5. Six > is a great age to start kindergarten for most in this group -but > what is the age of his peers? Apraxia is not a developmental > disorder but can create developmental delays and he probably has > that edge to help him keep and stay up. I also found my son Tanner late to > be able to rhyme -and a bit younger then kindergarten I recall the > worry I had that he seemed to know his letters one day and forget > some of them the next. His ever so wise SLP back then > Ortega CCC SLP from NJ said " Don't sweat it and just keep telling > him the right answers if he doesn't seem to know the letter. He has > apraxia and he may know it but say it wrong or forget how to say > it " As I've posted many times recently -Tanner is a wonderful and > advanced reader today at 10. For rhymes I made games and songs up > all the time and tried to get them to do the same. Tanner was Bo > Banner Tanner Manner. Our favorite rhyme was the Fuzzy Wuzzy was a > bear one except we'd switch Fuzzy Wuzzy to Tanner Wanner, and Daddy > Faddy, and Dakota Boda, and Mommy Wommy. He may have had trouble > with rhymes -but we sure had fun trying to teach them -and he has > had rhymes down solid for years. > > As far as withholding unless there is communication -is your child > autistic? Does he have selective mutism? Or was he diagnosed with > an impairment of speech? Do they assume behavioral techniques are > all that is needed to force him to talk. What do they do with > visual impaired children -give them a pencil and tell them to find > the sharpener? Remind them that apraxia is a motor planning > disorder and that pressure puts undue stress on the child that can > compound the primary diagnosis and/or further compromise your > child's abilities for success at overcoming his verbal disability. > > Do they at least accept alternative ways of communication? If not > the occupational therapist should get a job as a bagger at the > local supermarket where the only thing she can bruise is the bananas > and the only thing she can break is the eggs. Not your child's self > esteem and progress. What does the school SLP have to say about > this? The teacher is following the lead from the " experts " You'll be best off not > fighting this on your own but in getting written documents from > respected neuroMDs and outside SLPs/OTs -outside experts. > > As I tell all parents -don't worry about hurting feelings in > standing up for your child. In a year from now you can move and > never see these people again -but your child is always your child > forever. Stay calm -you don't need to raise your voice in anger or > break down in tears to have others understand you -in fact I found > humor was the best way to get my points across (see now me I > probably would have used the pencil example -but you have to do > what's right by you) We believe in you -and your child is counting > on you to be his voice until he has his own to stand up for himself > from the ignorance. And as one who now has a child on the other > side at 10 years old -trust me you do it right and they will be able > to! > > When you educate to advocate for your child you also protect the next child. > > ===== > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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