Guest guest Posted September 11, 2004 Report Share Posted September 11, 2004 I'll second this. I don't think the Stanford meal planner was really meant as any more than a tool, where the users were expected to input all the foods & nutritional information. I certainly wouldn't trust the database of foods without double-checking them. I assumed most of those foods were just entered as an example of how to use it. They were probably entered many years ago. It can be a very useful and easy to use program - but obviously it's only as good as the values you're putting in to it. The formulas are sound, so if the nutritional values you enter are correct, you can be confident that the values are also correct. Yeah, it takes some time with your early meals. But, if you're like us, you end up using the same foods over and over so it gets easier with time. I'd love to get the British values, if they are more accurate. Is there a place online we can get those? - Re: Heavy cream > > > Bill, > Lately, the only thing we could think of was that about the same > time we > saw > an increase in seizures was the time we changed creams. We have > used > thesame brand for years and have been fine. All of the sudden, these > seizures > started happening daily and we thought it might be the probiotics > or the > cream. > We stopped the probiotics and the seizures have slowed down but not > completely. Now, I'm going back to the old cream. All of this has > happened since the > constipation issues in July. We just can't get him back on track. > Its > sooooooooo frustrating. You would think after 3 years on this > diet, the > fine > tuning would be over. Not so. > > Thanks for your help > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 11, 2004 Report Share Posted September 11, 2004 on 9/11/04 3:39 PM, DAVID HOPPER at dyhopper@... wrote: I'll second this. I don't think the Stanford meal planner was really meant as any more than a tool, where the users were expected to input all the foods & nutritional information. I certainly wouldn't trust the database of foods without double-checking them. I assumed most of those foods were just entered as an example of how to use it. They were probably entered many years ago. It can be a very useful and easy to use program - but obviously it's only as good as the values you're putting in to it. The formulas are sound, so if the nutritional values you enter are correct, you can be confident that the values are also correct. Yeah, it takes some time with your early meals. But, if you're like us, you end up using the same foods over and over so it gets easier with time. I'd love to get the British values, if they are more accurate. Is there a place online we can get those? - Re: Heavy cream > > > Bill, > Lately, the only thing we could think of was that about the same > time we > saw > an increase in seizures was the time we changed creams. We have > used > thesame brand for years and have been fine. All of the sudden, these > seizures > started happening daily and we thought it might be the probiotics > or the > cream. > We stopped the probiotics and the seizures have slowed down but not > completely. Now, I'm going back to the old cream. All of this has > happened since the > constipation issues in July. We just can't get him back on track. > Its > sooooooooo frustrating. You would think after 3 years on this > diet, the > fine > tuning would be over. Not so. > > Thanks for your help > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2004 Report Share Posted September 13, 2004 I think that you have to look at the history of the keto diet to see what all this means. Early on only average numbers and exchange lists were used. Still ketones were maintained. With the computer program there is the possibility of getting more accuracy and determining the difference between cauliflower and carrots for instance. The difficulty comes for the fact that the food databases still use averages. So, is every carrot the same? It must depend on the species, the soil, the ripeness, the growing season, etc. There is going to be a similar variation with meats and other foods. Even though the figures are given to .1 gm, that doesn't mean that the food you are using will be exactly what the average for that food is. I would be surprised if the UK values were better than US values if you are in the US. The other difference is in the total calories for each food. In the USDA data there is a number given for net calories for each food that takes into account the energy for digestion. This would account for the net energy available from peas as apposed to cauliflower. Is that important? For most people, probably not. Compared to using exchange lists, it is a vast improvement. It is probably not as important as the difference between each child. I would agree that the new labeling rules are a negative for people using the keto diet. Using 15 ml instead of 100 gm, rounding of numbers to the nearest gram and using 0 for anything less than 1 gram is a backwards step for us. We have to call the manufacturer and try to get the accurate figures. So yes, it is always important to check and double check all the data and get the best that is available, but to keep in mind that there are still inaccuracies from using " average " values. I calculate all meal plans by hand, so I can't really comment on the specifics of the individual computer programs and the data that they use, except that I can imagine that there could well be variations and mistakes. Double check everything. I have made big mistakes! Bill and Stansfield-lyons wrote: > on 9/11/04 3:39 PM, DAVID HOPPER at dyhopper@... wrote: > > I'll second this. I don't think the Stanford meal planner was really meant > as any more than a tool, where the users were expected to input all the > foods & nutritional information. I certainly wouldn't trust the database of > foods without double-checking them. I assumed most of those foods were just > entered as an example of how to use it. They were probably entered many > years ago. It can be a very useful and easy to use program - but obviously > it's only as good as the values you're putting in to it. The formulas are > sound, so if the nutritional values you enter are correct, you can be > confident that the values are also correct. Yeah, it takes some time with > your early meals. But, if you're like us, you end up using the same foods > over and over so it gets easier with time. > > I'd love to get the British values, if they are more accurate. Is there a > place online we can get those? > > - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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