Re: -- More info on what I've seen with phosphocholine, Vit E and 3-6-9

[Guest guest]

> > Funny, I just wrote something similar. Now that we are seeing

> > several

> > families with this experience...I am really thinking vitamin E

> > issues

> > are directly contributing to sensory issues. I am a supporter

> > of " evidence based medicine " . Even though all of this is

> anecdotal,

> > we are really collecting quite a bit of new information. Keep it

> > up!! I just bought some phosphocholine (soy lecithin)...since

> I've

> > read enough to suggest it " might " help, and its completely safe.

> > ph has leveled off on all his vitamin E surges...and is doing

> > just

> > awesome, but it would be nice to take him to the next level with

> > intelligibility. Most people would not realize he talks any

> > different

> > than a normal 3 year old...but just last week someone asked where

> > his " accent " was from. My husband told them he was from Brooklyn.

> > Oh...didn't realize you guys were from new york. My husband just

> > smiled. Too much energy to try to explain.... -

> >

> > I just posted that my daughter used to show side effects when I

> > increased or reintroduced the EFA's (they were sensory and

> emotional

> > in nature). We also discovered later that she is deficient in

> > Vitamin

> > E. It is possible that we were worsening her symptoms with EFA's

> > because it is possible it increased her demand for the Vit E

> > (further

> > depleting supplies). We stopped the EFA's, gave her Vit E at

> 400IU

> > for a couple of weeks, then reintroduced the EFA's. In our case

> she

> > is now able to tolerate the EFA's without any side effects.

> Perhaps

> > this is also your son's case, or there may be another issue going

> > on.

> > It might be worth a try... I hope or some one else can

> give

> > you additional input.

> >

> >

> >

> > --- End forwarded message ---

> >

>

[Guest guest]

> > Funny, I just wrote something similar. Now that we are seeing

> > several

> > families with this experience...I am really thinking vitamin E

> > issues

> > are directly contributing to sensory issues. I am a supporter

> > of " evidence based medicine " . Even though all of this is

> anecdotal,

> > we are really collecting quite a bit of new information. Keep it

> > up!! I just bought some phosphocholine (soy lecithin)...since

> I've

> > read enough to suggest it " might " help, and its completely safe.

> > ph has leveled off on all his vitamin E surges...and is doing

> > just

> > awesome, but it would be nice to take him to the next level with

> > intelligibility. Most people would not realize he talks any

> > different

> > than a normal 3 year old...but just last week someone asked where

> > his " accent " was from. My husband told them he was from Brooklyn.

> > Oh...didn't realize you guys were from new york. My husband just

> > smiled. Too much energy to try to explain.... -

> >

> > I just posted that my daughter used to show side effects when I

> > increased or reintroduced the EFA's (they were sensory and

> emotional

> > in nature). We also discovered later that she is deficient in

> > Vitamin

> > E. It is possible that we were worsening her symptoms with EFA's

> > because it is possible it increased her demand for the Vit E

> > (further

> > depleting supplies). We stopped the EFA's, gave her Vit E at

> 400IU

> > for a couple of weeks, then reintroduced the EFA's. In our case

> she

> > is now able to tolerate the EFA's without any side effects.

> Perhaps

> > this is also your son's case, or there may be another issue going

> > on.

> > It might be worth a try... I hope or some one else can

> give

> > you additional input.

> >

> >

> >

> > --- End forwarded message ---

> >

>

[Guest guest]

, which brand is a good one for phosphocholine and where did

you get it? Thanks,

Deborah

> > > Funny, I just wrote something similar. Now that we are seeing

> > > several

> > > families with this experience...I am really thinking vitamin E

> > > issues

> > > are directly contributing to sensory issues. I am a supporter

> > > of " evidence based medicine " . Even though all of this is

> > anecdotal,

> > > we are really collecting quite a bit of new information. Keep

it

> > > up!! I just bought some phosphocholine (soy lecithin)...since

> > I've

> > > read enough to suggest it " might " help, and its completely

safe.

> > > ph has leveled off on all his vitamin E surges...and is

doing

> > > just

> > > awesome, but it would be nice to take him to the next level

with

> > > intelligibility. Most people would not realize he talks any

> > > different

> > > than a normal 3 year old...but just last week someone asked

where

> > > his " accent " was from. My husband told them he was from

Brooklyn.

> > > Oh...didn't realize you guys were from new york. My husband

just

> > > smiled. Too much energy to try to explain.... -

> > >

> > > I just posted that my daughter used to show side effects when I

> > > increased or reintroduced the EFA's (they were sensory and

> > emotional

> > > in nature). We also discovered later that she is deficient in

> > > Vitamin

> > > E. It is possible that we were worsening her symptoms with

EFA's

> > > because it is possible it increased her demand for the Vit E

> > > (further

> > > depleting supplies). We stopped the EFA's, gave her Vit E at

> > 400IU

> > > for a couple of weeks, then reintroduced the EFA's. In our

case

> > she

> > > is now able to tolerate the EFA's without any side effects.

> > Perhaps

> > > this is also your son's case, or there may be another issue

going

> > > on.

> > > It might be worth a try... I hope or some one else can

> > give

> > > you additional input.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > --- End forwarded message ---

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

-- I agree that the fat solubles should not show a difference

with a 4 day removal -- but I've witnessed it twice now. The first

time my son did not have his typical 2000 - 3000mg of Omegas it took

just 3 days to see a decline in his speech. That was after only

being on them for about 3 weeks, however. 2 months ago I added Vit E

(I tried a Pioneer brand with selenium added) and had to remove it

after abuot a week due to a very emotional teary eyed boy. So, last

month I added phosphatidyl choline complex from Country Life AND

vitamin E again. No emotional changes. It seemed that he was able

to handle more complex tasks -- and that he was increasing his

language complexity -- but it's hard to tell. Anyway -- off of

everything for 4 days , no decline in speech -- but teary eyed

emotional little boy again. Hmmm

The good news - I feel like I'm onto something. The bad news -- what

is it?

Also, I purchased phosphatidylcholine -- but you said

phosphocholine. I see that phosophocholine is a precurser to

phosphatidylcholine -- but I really can't see any studies to see

which is better.

> > > > Funny, I just wrote something similar. Now that we are seeing

> > > > several

> > > > families with this experience...I am really thinking vitamin E

> > > > issues

> > > > are directly contributing to sensory issues. I am a supporter

> > > > of " evidence based medicine " . Even though all of this is

> > > anecdotal,

> > > > we are really collecting quite a bit of new information.

Keep

> it

> > > > up!! I just bought some phosphocholine (soy lecithin)...since

> > > I've

> > > > read enough to suggest it " might " help, and its completely

> safe.

> > > > ph has leveled off on all his vitamin E surges...and is

> doing

> > > > just

> > > > awesome, but it would be nice to take him to the next level

> with

> > > > intelligibility. Most people would not realize he talks any

> > > > different

> > > > than a normal 3 year old...but just last week someone asked

> where

> > > > his " accent " was from. My husband told them he was from

> Brooklyn.

> > > > Oh...didn't realize you guys were from new york. My husband

> just

> > > > smiled. Too much energy to try to explain.... -

> > > >

> > > > I just posted that my daughter used to show side effects when

I

> > > > increased or reintroduced the EFA's (they were sensory and

> > > emotional

> > > > in nature). We also discovered later that she is deficient in

> > > > Vitamin

> > > > E. It is possible that we were worsening her symptoms with

> EFA's

> > > > because it is possible it increased her demand for the Vit E

> > > > (further

> > > > depleting supplies). We stopped the EFA's, gave her Vit E at

> > > 400IU

> > > > for a couple of weeks, then reintroduced the EFA's. In our

> case

> > > she

> > > > is now able to tolerate the EFA's without any side effects.

> > > Perhaps

> > > > this is also your son's case, or there may be another issue

> going

> > > > on.

> > > > It might be worth a try... I hope or some one else

can

> > > give

> > > > you additional input.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > --- End forwarded message ---

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

, which brand is a good one for phosphocholine and where did

you get it? Thanks,

Deborah

> > > Funny, I just wrote something similar. Now that we are seeing

> > > several

> > > families with this experience...I am really thinking vitamin E

> > > issues

> > > are directly contributing to sensory issues. I am a supporter

> > > of " evidence based medicine " . Even though all of this is

> > anecdotal,

> > > we are really collecting quite a bit of new information. Keep

it

> > > up!! I just bought some phosphocholine (soy lecithin)...since

> > I've

> > > read enough to suggest it " might " help, and its completely

safe.

> > > ph has leveled off on all his vitamin E surges...and is

doing

> > > just

> > > awesome, but it would be nice to take him to the next level

with

> > > intelligibility. Most people would not realize he talks any

> > > different

> > > than a normal 3 year old...but just last week someone asked

where

> > > his " accent " was from. My husband told them he was from

Brooklyn.

> > > Oh...didn't realize you guys were from new york. My husband

just

> > > smiled. Too much energy to try to explain.... -

> > >

> > > I just posted that my daughter used to show side effects when I

> > > increased or reintroduced the EFA's (they were sensory and

> > emotional

> > > in nature). We also discovered later that she is deficient in

> > > Vitamin

> > > E. It is possible that we were worsening her symptoms with

EFA's

> > > because it is possible it increased her demand for the Vit E

> > > (further

> > > depleting supplies). We stopped the EFA's, gave her Vit E at

> > 400IU

> > > for a couple of weeks, then reintroduced the EFA's. In our

case

> > she

> > > is now able to tolerate the EFA's without any side effects.

> > Perhaps

> > > this is also your son's case, or there may be another issue

going

> > > on.

> > > It might be worth a try... I hope or some one else can

> > give

> > > you additional input.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > --- End forwarded message ---

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

-- I agree that the fat solubles should not show a difference

with a 4 day removal -- but I've witnessed it twice now. The first

time my son did not have his typical 2000 - 3000mg of Omegas it took

just 3 days to see a decline in his speech. That was after only

being on them for about 3 weeks, however. 2 months ago I added Vit E

(I tried a Pioneer brand with selenium added) and had to remove it

after abuot a week due to a very emotional teary eyed boy. So, last

month I added phosphatidyl choline complex from Country Life AND

vitamin E again. No emotional changes. It seemed that he was able

to handle more complex tasks -- and that he was increasing his

language complexity -- but it's hard to tell. Anyway -- off of

everything for 4 days , no decline in speech -- but teary eyed

emotional little boy again. Hmmm

The good news - I feel like I'm onto something. The bad news -- what

is it?

Also, I purchased phosphatidylcholine -- but you said

phosphocholine. I see that phosophocholine is a precurser to

phosphatidylcholine -- but I really can't see any studies to see

which is better.

> > > > Funny, I just wrote something similar. Now that we are seeing

> > > > several

> > > > families with this experience...I am really thinking vitamin E

> > > > issues

> > > > are directly contributing to sensory issues. I am a supporter

> > > > of " evidence based medicine " . Even though all of this is

> > > anecdotal,

> > > > we are really collecting quite a bit of new information.

Keep

> it

> > > > up!! I just bought some phosphocholine (soy lecithin)...since

> > > I've

> > > > read enough to suggest it " might " help, and its completely

> safe.

> > > > ph has leveled off on all his vitamin E surges...and is

> doing

> > > > just

> > > > awesome, but it would be nice to take him to the next level

> with

> > > > intelligibility. Most people would not realize he talks any

> > > > different

> > > > than a normal 3 year old...but just last week someone asked

> where

> > > > his " accent " was from. My husband told them he was from

> Brooklyn.

> > > > Oh...didn't realize you guys were from new york. My husband

> just

> > > > smiled. Too much energy to try to explain.... -

> > > >

> > > > I just posted that my daughter used to show side effects when

I

> > > > increased or reintroduced the EFA's (they were sensory and

> > > emotional

> > > > in nature). We also discovered later that she is deficient in

> > > > Vitamin

> > > > E. It is possible that we were worsening her symptoms with

> EFA's

> > > > because it is possible it increased her demand for the Vit E

> > > > (further

> > > > depleting supplies). We stopped the EFA's, gave her Vit E at

> > > 400IU

> > > > for a couple of weeks, then reintroduced the EFA's. In our

> case

> > > she

> > > > is now able to tolerate the EFA's without any side effects.

> > > Perhaps

> > > > this is also your son's case, or there may be another issue

> going

> > > > on.

> > > > It might be worth a try... I hope or some one else

can

> > > give

> > > > you additional input.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > --- End forwarded message ---

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

> > > > > Funny, I just wrote something similar. Now that we are

seeing

> > > > > several

> > > > > families with this experience...I am really thinking

vitamin E

> > > > > issues

> > > > > are directly contributing to sensory issues. I am a

supporter

> > > > > of " evidence based medicine " . Even though all of this is

> > > > anecdotal,

> > > > > we are really collecting quite a bit of new information.

> Keep

> > it

> > > > > up!! I just bought some phosphocholine (soy

lecithin)...since

> > > > I've

> > > > > read enough to suggest it " might " help, and its completely

> > safe.

> > > > > ph has leveled off on all his vitamin E surges...and

is

> > doing

> > > > > just

> > > > > awesome, but it would be nice to take him to the next

level

> > with

> > > > > intelligibility. Most people would not realize he talks any

> > > > > different

> > > > > than a normal 3 year old...but just last week someone

asked

> > where

> > > > > his " accent " was from. My husband told them he was from

> > Brooklyn.

> > > > > Oh...didn't realize you guys were from new york. My

husband

> > just

> > > > > smiled. Too much energy to try to explain.... -

> > > > >

> > > > > I just posted that my daughter used to show side effects

when

> I

> > > > > increased or reintroduced the EFA's (they were sensory and

> > > > emotional

> > > > > in nature). We also discovered later that she is

deficient in

> > > > > Vitamin

> > > > > E. It is possible that we were worsening her symptoms with

> > EFA's

> > > > > because it is possible it increased her demand for the Vit

E

> > > > > (further

> > > > > depleting supplies). We stopped the EFA's, gave her Vit E

at

> > > > 400IU

> > > > > for a couple of weeks, then reintroduced the EFA's. In

our

> > case

> > > > she

> > > > > is now able to tolerate the EFA's without any side effects.

> > > > Perhaps

> > > > > this is also your son's case, or there may be another

issue

> > going

> > > > > on.

> > > > > It might be worth a try... I hope or some one

else

> can

> > > > give

> > > > > you additional input.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > --- End forwarded message ---

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

> > > > > Funny, I just wrote something similar. Now that we are

seeing

> > > > > several

> > > > > families with this experience...I am really thinking

vitamin E

> > > > > issues

> > > > > are directly contributing to sensory issues. I am a

supporter

> > > > > of " evidence based medicine " . Even though all of this is

> > > > anecdotal,

> > > > > we are really collecting quite a bit of new information.

> Keep

> > it

> > > > > up!! I just bought some phosphocholine (soy

lecithin)...since

> > > > I've

> > > > > read enough to suggest it " might " help, and its completely

> > safe.

> > > > > ph has leveled off on all his vitamin E surges...and

is

> > doing

> > > > > just

> > > > > awesome, but it would be nice to take him to the next

level

> > with

> > > > > intelligibility. Most people would not realize he talks any

> > > > > different

> > > > > than a normal 3 year old...but just last week someone

asked

> > where

> > > > > his " accent " was from. My husband told them he was from

> > Brooklyn.

> > > > > Oh...didn't realize you guys were from new york. My

husband

> > just

> > > > > smiled. Too much energy to try to explain.... -

> > > > >

> > > > > I just posted that my daughter used to show side effects

when

> I

> > > > > increased or reintroduced the EFA's (they were sensory and

> > > > emotional

> > > > > in nature). We also discovered later that she is

deficient in

> > > > > Vitamin

> > > > > E. It is possible that we were worsening her symptoms with

> > EFA's

> > > > > because it is possible it increased her demand for the Vit

E

> > > > > (further

> > > > > depleting supplies). We stopped the EFA's, gave her Vit E

at

> > > > 400IU

> > > > > for a couple of weeks, then reintroduced the EFA's. In

our

> > case

> > > > she

> > > > > is now able to tolerate the EFA's without any side effects.

> > > > Perhaps

> > > > > this is also your son's case, or there may be another

issue

> > going

> > > > > on.

> > > > > It might be worth a try... I hope or some one

else

> can

> > > > give

> > > > > you additional input.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > --- End forwarded message ---

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>